Milton Bradley for $10MM a year
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3/30 is a bargain
Of course he actually wanted to play there. And, he wanted to play in the field full-time (which is spectacularly stupid for him). I think the Royals would have had to offer much, much more in order to get him, even if they promised to play him in the field half the time.
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its an interesting move for him
chicago is pretty intense as a baseball media town
maybe not NY or BOS, but certainly tougher than just about any market west of philadelphia
this could get interesting
by Will McDonald on Jan 5, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
meh
that won’t matter
If he stays healthy (big if), he could push the Cubs over the top, easy
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by Matt Klaassen on Jan 5, 2009 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
also
half a season of MIlton Bradley is usually as good as an above average player. Seriously. With a Reed Johnson Fukudome platoon in center (should be OK, not great) and Soriano in left, that should be a very good outfield — two above average players and an decent platoon.
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by Matt Klaassen on Jan 5, 2009 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, even with his injury likelihood, this was a good value signing
…and a move which upgrades two positions (as long as Fukudome can climb out of the abyss of pure suckitude he fell into in late June and never got out of).
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I agree on Fukodome
He’s probably a below-average hitter, but (without knowing about his splits) maybe the platoon will help. Johnson isn’t exactly mid-90s Andruw Jones out there, but he can hit lefties. Great 4th OFer/platoon guy.
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by Matt Klaassen on Jan 5, 2009 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
The platoon will help
But of course Fukudome will be the bigger part of that platoon. And while his defense is a plus at a corner OF position, I think he’s below average at best in CF. So he will likely be a below average hitting CFer with below average defense. With the platoon that might still make for an overall upgrade for the Cubs at that position.
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chicago is pretty intense as a baseball media town
Yes, but the Cubs are the lovable losers. The team sucks most years and the fanbase still loves them and sells out Wrigley for every game. One could argue that it is the market that is most tolerant of persistent failure.
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yes, true
but the cubs fanbase is lilly white and pretty unsophisticated
if his BA starts out low or he grounds into a timely DP or two they’ll be pinning for Reed Johnson
by Will McDonald on Jan 5, 2009 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
If Manny can be a God in Boston
I’m sure Milton Bradley can handle Chi-Town
he’d be perfect on the South Side
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by Matt Klaassen on Jan 5, 2009 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
As a Cubs Fan
I don’t like the MB signing bc he’s always hurt
I thought Burrell would be a nice signing for the Royals but I thought wrong
I guess giving Billy the Kid a chance would be a smarter move
As far as the Lilly white comment, well that’s almost true
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy."
- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton
Burrell went for 2/16
Which is just as depressing, although the Royals wouldn’t have any place for him to play anyways.
Waiting for April.
geez
the Phillies new GM is a moron so far
I guess the answer to “what will happen now that Bavasi is gone?” is “someone will step in to take his place.”
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by Matt Klaassen on Jan 5, 2009 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
hope they have fun
seeing him in 80 games next year.
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by doublestix on Jan 5, 2009 4:54 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
in 65 games in 2007
he put up 2.5 wins above replacement, which would have made him one of the best players on the 2007 Royals
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by Matt Klaassen on Jan 5, 2009 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
One good thing about Dunn, despite the defense
is that he’s a horse — plays around 160 games a year
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by Matt Klaassen on Jan 5, 2009 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
Imagine how many games he'd play in a season if he really loved playing baseball
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by NYRoyal on Jan 5, 2009 4:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd say 200
Did you read that thing in one of JoPo’s recent columns, though, about how he’d actually heard from a decent of other people in the game that that really is the rap on Dunn?
Naturally, J. P. should have kept his trap shut (especially since Dunn is just what the Jays need), but still… pretty funny.
But what the hell does that even mean, “doesn’t like baseball?” Not just “who cares as long as he OPSes .900” sense, but really, what does it mean?
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by Matt Klaassen on Jan 5, 2009 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sure many players just see it as a job
Something they are good at and that make them a lot of money, but they don’t really love the game, don’t get the “thrill of the grass.” It’s just a job. That’s not very romantic, but if I’m building a team, I don’t give a shit. “Adam, come to work, punch your clock, OPS .900 and then punch out.”
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i really don't care
if anything, if he really doesn’t like it, shouldn’t we celebrate his professionalism then?
being good at a job you don’t like is a virtue
it doesn’t matter though, because he’ll never be a royal
by Will McDonald on Jan 5, 2009 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
I'll bet you hate blogging!!
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by Royal Kingdom on Jan 6, 2009 9:00 AM EST up reply actions
The Shealy brought that up to me once
The impression I got from his comments (and I’ll have to dig up the exact quote at some point so I don’t misrepresent him here) is that the majority of pro ballplayers see going to the park every day as just going to work, rather than some kind of privileged life.
WTF, self?
I think fans usually have a more romantic view of baseball as something special and maybe even magical
But I think players usually see it more as a fun game and/or just a good job.
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well played sir
by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on Jan 5, 2009 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
Think of how good his defense would be
If he had hands instead of hooves. What kind of horse is he—clydesdale?
GREAT signing
$8M per year is a very good value deal for the Rays, even with his age and defense. And the fact that it is a 2-year deal means they don’t have to deal with too much decline.
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awesome deal
the Rays aren’t fucking around. They already ahve a good defenseive outfield. Now they have a slugging DH. Burrell doesn’t even need to be the best hitter on the team. In the middle of the order with Longoria and and Pena (and UPton?)… they rays are going to contend.
And, by the way, the Monkeys (remember them) _nailed) it.
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by Matt Klaassen on Jan 5, 2009 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
Wrong Florida team
Or did the Marlins subsequently send Leo to Tampa Bay?
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just long enough to make a stupid comment
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Crap blended together in my head to write the great American stupid novel.
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by philofthenorth on Jan 6, 2009 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, awesome signing for TB.
It’s so much easier to project players for 2 years then to do it for 3, so it’s to the Rays’ great advantage that Burrell agreed to a 2-year deal when many FAs are seeking more years.
And the fact that he’s apparently willing to fulfill the role of full-time DH…yes, a bat like that is a bargain when you don’t have to subtract value for his sub-par defense.
WTF, self?
Yup
Although being a DH does hurt a guy’s value a lot. This was actually the first year in a while that Burrell may have been “good” enough in the field that he was actually better than than DHing, at least according to some defensive systems, as will become evident from my first “official” Driveline post, if it ever gets up.
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by Matt Klaassen on Jan 5, 2009 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
outstanding
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by Matt Klaassen on Jan 5, 2009 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
one more good thing
Maybe the Royals can trade Farnsworth or Jose Guillen for Matt Stairs
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by Matt Klaassen on Jan 5, 2009 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
Stairs would be the team MVP
Never should have traded him…….
by RoyalsonRadioetc on Jan 5, 2009 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
I just hope Dayton
understands what is going on right now with these guys, and is learning from these transactions.
Only upside I could come up with.
even if he was... were still stuck with what we got
by Will McDonald on Jan 5, 2009 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
But he will have more opportunities to spend money
That doesn’t help us in 2009, but if he learns from his mistakes and these signings, he can really help the team after 2009 and especially after 2010 when there will be a lot of money to spend. He could do it wisely and really help the team or waste it and drive a stake through the heart of the franchise.
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congrats Milton
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Love the deal for the Rays, Cubs not so much but that was because I heard someone either on ESPN or MLBNetwork talking about playing Bradley in CF at times.
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yeah... we'll see
he actually used to be a good defensive CF, but age and injuries make that seems unlikely
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by Matt Klaassen on Jan 5, 2009 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
Both the Bradley and Burrell deals...
…make Moore look even worse re: signing Jose Guillen, especially at 3/36.
Which I am sure is already obvious. But that I felt needed to be said again.
True, but I'll offer one point in mitigation
Last year, baseball was experiencing yet another year of salary inflation. No one foresaw the market changing as much as it did this year. If he had known the economy was going to tank to this degree and that corner OFers were going to come so cheap this offseason, he wouldn’t have signed Guillen for 3/36. Not that it was a smart signing then, but…
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Agreed
my biggest fault with GMDM was the rush he put on making moves this year. I don’t know if he just didn’t want to be left behind the other teams once FA started but it seemed like he jumped the gun.
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point well taken
Though I will say that even then, 3/36 sounded like an awful lot when no other hot stove rumors had come even close (obviously, we don’t know for sure if there were other offers like that or not, but it sure didn’t sound that way). I remember thinking that 3/30 or 3/33 would’ve been ok, since we were taking Sweeney’s salary off the books that year. But even then, Moore still dramatically overpaid.
I agree that 3/36 was too much for him even then. I thought that 3/30 would have been a wise deal at the time. Of course I was wrong about that, based on both his projections and his 2008 performance. But if we’d known what would happen to the FA market 12 months later, we’d know that even 3/24 for Guillen would have been too much, because better players are now going for less than that.
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What do the Burrell/Bradley signings imply...
…for any potential Guillen trade? If Burrell can be had for $8M/yr and Bradley for $10M/yr, then it would seem that the Royals would have to be willing to eat a significant portion of Guillen’s salary to get anybody genuinely interested (I’m thinking along the lines of $4-5M to make him cheaper than Burrell, because nobody had to give up talent to obtain him). Alternatively, it could make us even more likely to look into swapping another team for one of their bad contracts.
i think we've covered this
if you trade Guillen now…if there IS a taker, you get nothing back.
you hope he gets off to a good start, see if there is a need for someone else at the deadline, then try and deal him and there’s a chance some team could be desperate for a bat and you get something decent back.
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i'm not looking to get anything good in return for Guillen
I’m just asking what it would take to make our salary dump look attractive to another team. We aren’t going to get anything good for Guillen unless he is on fire in June/July and we make a deadline trade.
If he has a good first half and the Royals eat some of the contract...
…he’ll be quite tradable in July. Not the kind of trade that gets the Royals something good in return, but a trade that dumps most of his contract. Or perhaps a bad contract swap.
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How pissed off is Manny gonna be? I would be shocked if he got more than 15M per year now.
Boras did a great job with Teix but it backfired with Manny probably. Oh well in the end thats Manny’s fault.
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Does Manny go to the Yankees to stick it to Boston?
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy."
- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton
Or maybe staying with the Dodgers
All are possible, as well as the possibility of a surprise team.
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in case im reading things wrong....manny to the yankees IS impossible...
due to the FA compensation thingy…such that they’ve hit their limit on the number of Type A/B FAs they can sign…dunno if theres some sort of date when that expires or what…but it’d be AWESOME if the yanks did sign them…simply b/c i hate the red sox so much
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by billybeingbilly on Jan 5, 2009 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
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