Is Dayton Moore determined to make our middle infield worse?
In an offseason that started with fantastic rumors of the Royals' interest in Rafael Furcal, somehow we are now left trying to decide between Jerry Hairston, David Eckstein, and Willie Bloomquist.
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Eckstein, right, knows this shot cannot be more than a single...and is confused...
For starters:
Rafael Furcal career line: .286/.352/.412,
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162 game averages of 12 homers, 59 rbi, and 36 sb
Ok, I get that we could not afford Rafael Furcal, but does that explain why we abandoned all fiscal responsibility in search of relief pitching and pitching "depth" by signing Farnsworth and HoRam? (Roughly 7/8 of what Pat Burrell, .257/.367/.485, would have cost...) No, but something more sinister may be afoot here. Dayton Moore was the man that finally had to pull the trigger and rid us of Angel Berroa, but he did so only to our team's detriment, somehow actually finding a worse shortstop in TPJ!!!
Manny joking with Satan about how much money Dayton Moore could pay him if he were just a crappy middle infielder...
So now that Furcal has signed and we have pitching 'depth', we are out of money. This means any decent free agent, at most positions, is out of our spending range. But MLBTR has reported that free agents Jerry Hairston Jr., David Eckstein, and Willie Bloomquist are on our radar as potential 'help' for our middle infield. (RoyalsRetro had the fanshot for this) REALLY??? I'm not sure what kind of help that would be, but I do know that any of those options is worse than Aviles/Callaspo up the middle. Dayton finally found two guys who can hit a little, and he is not satisfied and wants more crappy infielders. This can only mean there is some conspiracy to make our middle infield awful in the name of DEFENSE. The problem is David Eckstein throws like a middle schooler and is 5'8 on a good day, eliminating any defensive advantage (range+arm)he has on Aviles (nevermind Aviles' stellar defensive metric ratings). Jerry Hairston is the baseball equivalent of James Posey; he might make you better but you really don't need to find out and it might be more expensive to do that anyway. As for Willie Bloomquist, he's the utility equivalent of Ross Gload. This is too frustrating. It's as if Allard Baird were somehow involved. But no, it is all too obvious that Dayton Moore is determined to make our middle infield worse...
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Carl is next on Dayton's shortstop shopping list...and he at least deserves a head groundskeeper's 4 million/year contract...
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This article had some excellent timing...
I got to the Willie Bloomquist part right as I was reading this and stumbled on these qonderful quotes :
These guys (replacement level players) have fallen into that Four-A category, where they show more ability than your average Triple-A veteran but not enough to hold down a major league job. They’re usually available every winter as minor league free agents, via the Rule 5 draft, or as cheap trade acquisitions where a team can acquire one of these players without giving up any real talent in return.
followed by:
If you’re having a tough time visualizing what a replacement level player looks like, there’s probably not a better example in baseball than Willie Bloomquist.
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by RoyalPug on
Jan 6, 2009 7:14 PM EST
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certainly a good (Better) way to see Bloomquist than I do
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by kcisbetterthanstlateverything on
Jan 6, 2009 7:25 PM EST
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"They’re usually available every winter as minor league free agents"
As an example — Jason Smith was available as a free agent every offseason until he reached the Royals (thankfully, he wasn’t given a guaranteed deal this year)
by Top Ramen on
Jan 6, 2009 10:34 PM EST
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Hilarious post.
Maybe Ross can move over to second if we can’t get one of the stooges.
by hunter s. royal on
Jan 6, 2009 7:25 PM EST
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Wait, are you saying that Farnsworth wasn't a good FA signing at 2/$9.25M?
With regard to very vague, unsourced middle IF rumors, I’m not going to start getting upset until there’s more to go on. I try to bash Moore for the mistakes he actually makes, not the rumors about mistakes that he might possibly make in an indeterminate future.
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by NYRoyal on
Jan 6, 2009 7:42 PM EST
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You have inspired me sir. I have added a signature line.
Kyle Farnsworth is my hero. Not many men can turn zero talent into 9.5 mil during a recession.
by Steve Hovley on
Jan 6, 2009 9:11 PM EST
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agreed w/ the rumors
but it’s all we’ve got at this point in the year. I would love Dayton to pull a Francouer-Greinke shootdown of these rumors (LIES! all lies! how dumb do you think i am?), but I’ve been a Royals fan for so long that I do believe Dayton Moore is serious about these stupid salary vacuums, er…middle infielders.
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by kcisbetterthanstlateverything on
Jan 7, 2009 2:34 AM EST
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Please God, not Eckstein
I live in Springfield, Mo so I watch both Royals and Cardinals games (with opposite aspirations, of course) and I absolutely cannot stand Eckstein.
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by RoyalsFanStuckInCardsLand on
Jan 6, 2009 7:49 PM EST
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I live in Seattle
and, please God, not Gloadquist.
I AM intangible!
by kabrink on
Jan 6, 2009 7:52 PM EST
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I would guess
These guys would just provide depth for Aviles/Callaspo and only get 200-300 PAs, but still, I’d rather have taken a Rule 5 guy like Callix Crabbe (for the name more than anything) who will probably do about the same production wise for a fraction of the price.
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by RoyalsRetro on
Jan 6, 2009 9:16 PM EST
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Bloomers Isn't The
Worst utility player to have on the bench, and that’s the only way I could see him being used. Maybe Moore is tired of German’s embarrassing defense and is ready to go another way. Anyhow, none of these 3 is an upgrade over Aviles/Callaspo as a starter.
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by philofthenorth on
Jan 6, 2009 9:31 PM EST
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Oh no !!!
Boys we may have to fight for Eckstein !!!
At least Vizquel could teach the younger guys a thing or two.
by RoyalsonRadioetc on
Jan 6, 2009 10:18 PM EST
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It's already hard for me to watch games and keep up from so far away
it’ll be harder if we get Eckstein. I don’t know if I can take that.
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by mazoboom on
Jan 6, 2009 10:21 PM EST
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The biggest problem with any of those three options
stems not from the salary they would receive or the production they should provide in a backup role, but from JoePo’s Gloaden Rule:
Because they are gritty veterans, they would all receive far more playing time they deserve. Hillman would use them because of their guaranteed “production” and gritty non-embarassing play in the field, and eventually they’d become the starter and be hitting the performance bonuses in their contracts for plate appearances.
by Top Ramen on
Jan 6, 2009 10:38 PM EST
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100% true
baseball men see more in talentless old ballplayers than the numbers would otherwise provide
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by kcisbetterthanstlateverything on
Jan 7, 2009 2:27 AM EST
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To answer the question...
Is Dayton Moore determined to make our middle infield worse?
I don’t think he’s determined to do it but I wouldn’t be surprised if he stumbled upon making it worse.
I hate David Eckstein. And Jerry Hairston Jr. isn’t too bad, at the very least he can be that roving backup guy since he can play the infield and the OF and is relatively competent at the plate.
by Royal from Queens on
Jan 6, 2009 10:43 PM EST
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Eckstein now!
I need more GRIT!
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by 306008 on
Jan 6, 2009 10:46 PM EST
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Do we need to start emailing
GMDM links to FJM?
by Warden11 on
Jan 6, 2009 11:29 PM EST
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...or perhaps a site that still exists?
:(
May it rest in peace.
WTF, self?
by minda33 on
Jan 6, 2009 11:35 PM EST
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I can't believe I'm saying this
but depending on the price, either Eckstein or Hairston would be a decent utility option for the Royals. Of course, almost any player is the right choice at the right price. But the truth is, we don’t know how good Callaspo is — yes, I think he should be given every chance to fail next year. He can hit .300, but he would be lucky to slug .400, and there are legitimate questions about his glove.
Moreover, if Aviles gets hurt and/or Callaspo goes to he drunk tank on the DL again, there isn’t any depth.
I’d say both Eckstein and Hairston are in that 1-1.5 WAR range. Stopgap starters at best, but very good guys to have on the bench… for the right price.
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by devil_fingers on
Jan 6, 2009 10:47 PM EST
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Agreed
Eckstein the reserve is fine by me. His on base skills are okay, and he can stand at the shortstop position and play it passably.
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by RoyalsRetro on
Jan 6, 2009 11:05 PM EST
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i believe the 'at the right price' tagline is moot w/ Dayton
and to think, what if he were in charge of a rich franchise?
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by kcisbetterthanstlateverything on
Jan 7, 2009 2:29 AM EST
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He would probably go after really good players.
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by KC Chris on
Jan 7, 2009 11:04 AM EST
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I don't think Moore quite deserves the assumption that he's definitely going to always choose the wrong players and then overpay for them
He’s certainly done more than his share of that, but he’s not to the point yet where we should always assume the very worst.
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by NYRoyal on
Jan 7, 2009 11:35 AM EST
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Saving us from ourselves
Reports are Hairston is resigning with Cincy.
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by RoyalsRetro on
Jan 6, 2009 11:05 PM EST
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We already had David Eckstein
His name them was David Howard. No thank you on seconds of that.
by suzzer on
Jan 7, 2009 1:41 AM EST
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But he was the 84th best Royal of all time!!!
Eckstein, though, is better than Howard ever was, but still I don’t want him on my team
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by kcisbetterthanstlateverything on
Jan 7, 2009 2:30 AM EST
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two things
first of all, why get three below replacement level players in the offseason whos total contracts would be above ten million per, when we see quality bats being signed for near the same value. Its not less money just because its spread around, DM.
Secondly, I love the grit comments. Listen to sportscasters when a white guy makes a play, (esp. in football) and Joe Buck or whoever will say something about heart/grit/determination etc. (because of course they have no talent, because they are white) My favorite is when they go all out and say something like
“you know that wes welker, hes just old school. He woke up this morning grabbed his thermos, lunch pail, and hardhat, drove to work and clocked in for a tough day.”
My friends and I expanded on that thought to create “Local Number 54”. This of course is the gritty white guy union, like the steelworkers union local number two ads that are always played on Royals Radio. So whenever you see your favorite gritty player make a play remember to put on your joe buck mask and say, “wow, David Eckstein, proud card carrying member of local number 54”
p.s. also remember to thank the veterans, and tip your waitress
At least Wally Joyner's not on the team....
by tcon125 on
Jan 7, 2009 3:48 AM EST
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why get three below replacement level players in the offseason whos total contracts would be above ten million per, when we see quality bats being signed for near the same value. Its not less money just because its spread around, DM.
Ah yes, the “Allard Baird Strategy”. Why keep Jermaine Dye when I can have Brent Mayne, Michael Tucker AND Neifi Perez?
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by RoyalsRetro on
Jan 7, 2009 8:44 AM EST
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I think you have to look at it like this...
Is David Eckstein worth roughly $4 million a year? Eck brings OBP and slightly under leage average defense at short stop. Aviles trumped him in both catagories in 2008 while requiring 1/10th of the money.
Aviles is iffy this year. How many players have a great first year and bomb the second? I can think of two off the top of my head — Bob Hamelin and Angel Berroa. But that doesn’t mean this team needs to shelter Aviles from a possible failure of a year. If anything, they need to find out if he is going to work long term at the shortstop position or if they need to try to get someone via trade (hint hint Jason Donald) or via free agency in 2010.
Bloomquist is already on this team, he just goes by the name of German.
Of course they should have just told Tony Pena to learn how to play second base. They seem to love the kid, he has a worthless bat and only plays one position. what is the point in keeping him, if three other people (German, Aviles & Callaspo) can play respectable defense at shortstop and have a much better presence at the plate?
Shortstop is a premium position, just like catcher and center field. This isn’t going to be fixed overnight. They might as well pay whatever Texas wants for Elvis Andrus, whatever LA wants for Brandon wood or whatever Philadelphia wants for Jason Donald. If it means giving up David DeJesus, go for it. Any of those three could potentially help this team more than David DeJesus ever has or ever could. You’re talking six years of basically worry free shortstop. That’s worth a lot in this day.
by Royal Knight on
Jan 7, 2009 11:17 AM EST
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Eck brings OBP and slightly under leage average defense at short stop.
And grit. Don’t overlook the grit.
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by RoyalsRetro on
Jan 7, 2009 12:04 PM EST
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Eckstein
If Hillman could be trusted to keep him in a bench role, I don’t know if I’d be entirely against signing Eckstein to a cheap one-year deal. But I don’t know if I agree that Eckstein’s SS defense is only slightly below league average. I’d like to see what PMR and Plus/Minus have to say about him, but according to UZR, Eckstein’s last 3 years at SS have been
2006 0.7
2007 -11.9
2008 -18.9
RZR has him at:
2006 .841 (43 OOZ)
2007 .783 (46)
2008 .769 (15)
For RZR at SS, the high .800’s are good, the low .800’s are poor and the .700’s are very bad.
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by NYRoyal on
Jan 7, 2009 12:26 PM EST
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How dare you sully Bat Flip's name
by comparing him to a dirtbag like Eckstein.
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by NHZ on
Jan 7, 2009 8:00 PM EST
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You know what this team is missing, even more than another 1B/DH?
A UI who can only backup 2B. We haven’t had a true one of those since Graffanino was traded*.
* German doesn’t count because he can technically “play” 3B and LF in addition to 2B.
by Top Ramen on
Jan 7, 2009 12:04 PM EST
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What is Graffanino doing these days?
He’s due for a third tour of duty with the Royals.
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by RoyalsRetro on
Jan 7, 2009 12:05 PM EST
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The REAL issue
We are only engaged in this (mostly) silly debate because of the Royals egregious lack of player development, which is especially noticeable in the middle infield area. (Of course, it is also egregious at other positions, but perhaps not as pronounced as it is at middle infield).
Backup middle infielders, ESPECIALLY on a low-revenue team, should almost always be at or near replacement level. These veterans would presumably cost too much for that role, so once again the farm system’s lack of depth could potentially impact the allocation of our scarce ML payroll budget.
Sometimes I wish Moore would be more honest, and just come out and say we are 5-10 years away from contention, and ask the fans to be patient. Instead, he seems to waiver between building a perennially good organization for the long-term, and impatiently making moves for the short-term. Kinda hard for that approach to work in this market.
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by loyal2sdad on
Jan 7, 2009 1:11 PM EST
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I agree with you somewhat.
Bairds lack of draft knowledge has depleted this area the most but I don’t see this as a longterm problem with Moores draft approach (if it persist). Also the Dominican program is starting to put out some talent pitching wise and I would expect to see some of the middle field dominican talent to start to rise as well.
I see quite a few middle infield options that are starting to make their way through the low minors and while most or all won’t make it just the pure number of players should be expected to put out one starting option. The numbers currently are at 2b but looking at the young hispanic talent at the bottom of the RC Top 60 Espinal (17yo), Beltre (18yo) I wouldn’t be shocked if KC had a few SS options in the next 2-3 years.
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by kcscoliny on
Jan 7, 2009 1:26 PM EST
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Agreed,
but it’s just that I don’t see the point in wasting a few million dollars on a stop-gap backup utility infielder like Eckstein. I would prefer if Glass banks that money (and do the same in other situations as they arise) and then is willing to go way overbudget once the farm system is fully stocked at all levels, and it appears that the big league team is actually close to being in contention.
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by loyal2sdad on
Jan 7, 2009 1:34 PM EST
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Banking the money
Arguably, there’s no harm to spending such money on a one-year contract. If the Royals budgeted the major league payroll on a 2-year or 3-year basis, then I’d say sit on the money and save it for later. But they don’t. Like most (but not all) major league teams, they budget annually. Arguably, getting the payroll up as high as Glass will allow for 2009 creates a higher baseline for the 2010 budget, by essentially setting the effective budget floor at a higher level. Now I don’t know if Glass would look at the budget in those terms, but he might. In short, I don’t see a problem in adding a few extra million dollars to the 2009 budget if it is a one-year contract because banking it and saving it for later spending isn’t a realistic option for a team that budgets annually.
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by NYRoyal on
Jan 7, 2009 1:46 PM EST
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That's exactly my point!
Personally, I would prefer the Royals to budget on a period greater than one year. I’m not sure what the best timeframe would be, but I know using an annual budget makes no sense in this industry for one very real reason:
The majority of player contract costs, which constitute roughly 50-60% of revenue, are locked in for typically longer periods than one year. It’s not like budgeting for, say a restaurant or something. If business takes a downturn, in most industires, you can shed payroll with very little ramifications. Not true in baseball.
My personal guess would be about a 5 year rolling budget, because this roughly mimics the typical timeframe of a contract in the FA market, and is close to the time a team controls a new player promoted from the minors.
Of course, I’m sure that Moore is already roughly budgeting for 2010-2013 already – it’s just that I would prefer Glass be open to having a season or two where he will have a loss, knowing that he can offset that with profitable seasons the other 3 or 4 years.
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by loyal2sdad on
Jan 7, 2009 2:00 PM EST
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One more point
NY, I agree with your comment that most, if not all, pro sports team budget on an annual basis.
I want to point out that one way for a revenue-challenged team to outperform better positioned franchises it to be innovative, and by discovering market inefficiencies.
Perhaps taking a different approach to budgeting could result in exploiting an heretofor unknown market efficiency?
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by loyal2sdad on
Jan 7, 2009 2:09 PM EST
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I certainly think so
I think multi-year budgeting is particularly important for small market teams and, even moreso for small market teams that are rebuilding. Particularly at this stage that the Royals are in, it would make a lot more sense to budget for 2009, 2010 and 2011 at a around the $250M level than to budget 2009 at $76M, 2010 and $83M and 2011 at $90M. The above 3-year budget would allow for the payrolls those three years to be $70M, $80M and $100M, or something like that. That kind of budgeting gives the Royals the opportunity to spend to contend whenever it looks like the organization is ready. If the Royals blossom sooner and look to be on the verge of contention after the 2009 season, then more can be spent for 2010. That kind of flexibility would help the Royals a lot, and perhaps wouldn’t lead to as much silly, win-now (or more accurately get-to-mediocrity-now) spending.
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by NYRoyal on
Jan 7, 2009 2:31 PM EST
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love the idea
i do believe most teams budget annually and have ‘wiggle room’ each offseason or a spending limit they know they have built in for the upcoming year. general managers across sports often refer to this, including Dayton Moore. but moves like these do stink of ‘get to mediocrity now’ as NYroyal puts it, leaving the club at least moderately poorer heading into the next offseason, where maybe another cheap MVP candidate like Pat Burrell or Milton Bradley may be lurking. a longer budgeting period as loyal2sdad mentions is one way a small market team can pool resources and compete when ready; for all we know, some teams currently do this, but the Royals certainly do not. this post arose out of my anger that Pat Burrell was had so cheaply by Tampa Bay…we clearly are not spending dollars wisely, and the middle infield ‘search’ and the Farnsworth signing are just a small snapshot of how off-course the thinking may be by our beloved GM.
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by kcisbetterthanstlateverything on
Jan 7, 2009 3:54 PM EST
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Wiggle room?
I’ll show you wiggle room… Gotta get this guy for new G.M.!….Hope the link works.
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If not, you really gotta check out “Badger Car Salesman” on you tube….The funniest comercials I have ever seen.
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by powderbluesfor08 on
Jan 7, 2009 5:04 PM EST
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Nice...
but I’m still partial to the “Trunk Monkey” series as the greatest car commercials of all time.
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Jan 7, 2009 5:19 PM EST
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Funny yeah, but Monkeys got nuttn on the Badger!
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Jan 7, 2009 5:32 PM EST
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I am leaning towards just keeping TPJ as the backup SS
Less tempting for Hillman to play, cheaper and even I (TPJ hater) think it would be tough for him to repeat those unbelieveably bad hitting stats. I just don’t see much out there worth attaining at this point with KC’s current budget restraints.
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by kcscoliny on
Jan 7, 2009 4:10 PM EST
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annual hybrid
In reality, teams may budget annually but truly they are also planning and committing budgets well ahead. After all, they are making commitments from 1 – 3,4,5 years out (or the yankees 8 yrs) and tracking who will be falling off, who will be in arbitration or fa, etc.
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Jan 7, 2009 7:43 PM EST
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The fact that you are making commitments to some players which go beyond one year does not mean that there is an overall payroll budget for future years. I’m sure DM has a general idea from Glass what his payroll philosophy is for coming years, but unless the actual budget covers multiple years, Moore can’t choose to spend less in one year, expecting to spend that saved money the next year.
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by NYRoyal on
Jan 7, 2009 8:09 PM EST
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agree on that
underspend, you lose it
But, I think you may have already hit on DM’s mad plan, which explains this offseason. He’s trying to push next season’s budget just like the govt does it.
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by kabrink on
Jan 7, 2009 8:13 PM EST
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Quite frankly, none of the one-year deals are really the problem
Not that they have been great, but their impact will be short-term and won’t intrude on any contending seasons. The real problem is (at least potentially) Farnsworth, Jacobs and Crisp. Farnsworth is eating into the 2010 budget to the tune of nearly $5M. And Jacobs could be $5M+ and Crisp’s option of $8M could be picked up. The first one really sucks and the second two are worrisome.
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by NYRoyal on
Jan 7, 2009 8:18 PM EST
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If Coco can stay healthy,
he has the speed and defensive ability (which i am aware the numbers haven’t always supported) to be the type of player to age quite well. Relative, of course, to what he’s already been doing.
Farnsworth bad. Ugh.
Jacobs…I still think he “peaked” last year, so that’s not great either.
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by NHZ on
Jan 7, 2009 8:23 PM EST
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Crispy
If Coco can stay healthy,
he has the speed and defensive ability (which i am aware the numbers haven’t always supported) to be the type of player to age quite well. Relative, of course, to what he’s already been doing.
Yes, and I’m not too worried about the degree of decline he’d have in 2010. It’s just that he’s a roughly average MLB CF right now, and I would expect about the same in 2010. If he’s fully healthy all season long, he could be better than that, but given his track record, one shouldn’t expect that. Even if he’s healthy all season long and starts 155 games, I don’t think one should expect him to be healthy for all of the next season. Given that he’ll likely miss some time due to injury and have that/those injury(ies) decrease the level of his performance, as it has multiple times over the last three years. Because of all of this, I’m very worried about the prospect of the Royals picking up his $8M option for 2010.
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by NYRoyal on
Jan 7, 2009 8:31 PM EST
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I say we sign them all,
and then trade them to the Orioles for Matt Wieters.
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by NHZ on
Jan 7, 2009 8:02 PM EST
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might have to throw in Gobble
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