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It's turning into a real annus mirabalis for Dayton Moore. Between the second time we grabbed Ho-Ram, and when he snagged Willie B...

Really, there are only two questions: do we bat him leadoff or second and how many promotional ads do we feature him in?

I'm just bummed that this means we probably can't also get Eckstein or Keith Lockhart.

Of course, you all remember this obscure game thread from April.

Moore will sign Bloomquist at some point

I have no doubt

by royalsreview on Apr 15, 2008 7:22 PM EDT actions actions   0 recs

Takeaways:

  • The bizarre, I mean awesome, ex-Mariner thing continues. Gil Meche, Miguel Olivo, Jose Guillen, Horacio Ramirez and now, the uber-Mariner of the Bavasi Era, Willie Bloomquist. Again, these are all voluntary moves. If nothing else, Dayton Moore understands the Battle for Grass Creek. And hey, if we can build a really old, expensive team that peaks with a fluky 87 wins (or whatever it was) and then implodes, that means the master plan will have worked.
  • I don't get the second year. I can understand that a) he's just a utility guy (maybe) and that b) he's not bad defensively actually and that c) the money's not large. None of that really explains the second year or justifies it. Every roster spot has value and I'm not convinced that Bloomquist is the best use of a roster spot for the next two seasons. As with the Ho-Ram, Gload and Farnsworth signings, the Bloomquist deal looks like one in which Moore sweetened the terms in order to leave no chance that someone else might out-bid him. It just looks pointless from here.
  • First question, is Bloomquist better than German? Debatable. Is Bloomquist better to have around than TPJ?  Possibly, but considering neither guy actually hits at all and should never have any high leverage at bats, I'd rather have the guy who is an unquestioned plus defender at SS. Third question, is Bloomquist better than Callaspo? Unlikely. Is he going to be better in 2010 than Giavotella?
  • Bloomquist has NO POWER. None. Joey Gathright laughs at him. The last two seasons, in 373 PAs, Bloomquist managed just six extra base hits. You know those random times TPJ would hit the ball really hard and bang one off the wall? (TPJ has forty extra base hits the last two years.) Well Bloomquist never does that. Ever.
  • I'd bet a kidney that Hillman falls hard for Bloomquist. Actually, a kidney and half a pancreas. He will see major playing time, so don't pretend otherwise.

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I’m just bummed that this means we probably can’t also get Eckstein.

Really?

It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird.

by kcscoliny on Jan 9, 2009 3:13 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

thank God for this place

I have to reserve myself over there. I can’t describe how awful this offseason has been.

by gilmeche55 on Jan 9, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I can't wait to see NYR reaction.

I’m sure it won’t quite reach Farny or Jacobs levels but it might be a nice bit of sunshine to my day.

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by kcscoliny on Jan 9, 2009 3:15 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

actually

it was me that went JoGui over Jacobs, remember?

I think NYR’s yearly overreaction reserve might have been exhausted by the professor

that was awesome — I keep telling him it’s cool, because, you know, it’s a game.

A game where Kyle Farnsworth still sux

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by devil_fingers on Jan 9, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

you can school me again later

I gotta get some sunshine, between this and OU…

But we can just continue here with you mocking my 6th grade level mathematics and Tangonanski-wanna-be act

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by devil_fingers on Jan 9, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

feel free to copy back any of the best points

I have this weird archival thing in my brain that makes me want to make sure there’s a post/story for the big transactions, in case people want to reference back later.

by royalsreview on Jan 9, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

hehe

your math was fine

still wonder tho on how much this deal really matters, If he replaces BOTH German AND TPJ, gotta be a win, right?

by ZeppelinDZ on Jan 9, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

remember

that my stats-thing is a compensation for my hopeless subjectivity. I just really like German…

later

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by devil_fingers on Jan 9, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

RR --

given that you won the Kila context, and the bowl contest,

maybe you should just stop predicting horrible things, even as a joke, since they all end up coming true

bastard

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by devil_fingers on Jan 9, 2009 3:16 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I'm just bummed that this means we probably can't also get Eckstein.

Just you wait. DM likes to surprise!

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by RoyalsRetro on Jan 9, 2009 3:17 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

If the Royals trotted out...

Bloomquist, Eckstein, and Gload every day, then they would be well on their way to making an Active All-Grit Team a reality. And don’t forget, Grudz is still out there, too.

"You think I’m a goddamned fool? I’m tired of all these stupidass questions every night. Just stay out if you’re going to ask all these dumbass questions. It’s stupid. Asking me that stupidass [BLEEP] every [BLEEP]ing [BLEEP] [BLEEP] night. [BLEEP] [BLEEP] [BLEEP] [unintelligible] I am sick and tired of [unintelligible] up with every [BLEEP]ing thing. No [BLEEP] from you guys, no [BLEEP] from you [BLEEP]ing players. And they can do any [BLEEP]ing thing they want to do. I’m sick and tired of all this bull[BLEEP]. Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it."

by Sweep_the_Leg on Jan 9, 2009 3:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No sir

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kamDqL-AGzI

It’s probably too long for a signature, but I love it. One of the grittiest rants from one of the grittiest (and one of my favorite) Royals.

"You think I’m a goddamned fool? I’m tired of all these stupidass questions every night. Just stay out if you’re going to ask all these dumbass questions. It’s stupid. Asking me that stupidass [BLEEP] every [BLEEP]ing [BLEEP] [BLEEP] night. [BLEEP] [BLEEP] [BLEEP] [unintelligible] I am sick and tired of [unintelligible] up with every [BLEEP]ing thing. No [BLEEP] from you guys, no [BLEEP] from you [BLEEP]ing players. And they can do any [BLEEP]ing thing they want to do. I’m sick and tired of all this bull[BLEEP]. Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it."

by Sweep_the_Leg on Jan 9, 2009 10:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

best part if the "put that in your {beep} pipe and smoke it"

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by devil_fingers on Jan 9, 2009 10:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I may just pare it down to that last line. You gotta love Hal.

"You think I’m a goddamned fool? I’m tired of all these stupidass questions every night. Just stay out if you’re going to ask all these dumbass questions. It’s stupid. Asking me that stupidass [BLEEP] every [BLEEP]ing [BLEEP] [BLEEP] night. [BLEEP] [BLEEP] [BLEEP] [unintelligible] I am sick and tired of [unintelligible] up with every [BLEEP]ing thing. No [BLEEP] from you guys, no [BLEEP] from you [BLEEP]ing players. And they can do any [BLEEP]ing thing they want to do. I’m sick and tired of all this bull[BLEEP]. Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it."

by Sweep_the_Leg on Jan 9, 2009 10:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

the Bobby Knight was kind of tongue in cheek. I didn’t recognize it as Hal right away, but I was about 99% sure it wasn’t the General because of that last line. Now, it all makes sense.

by Warden11 on Jan 10, 2009 12:06 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Alrighty then.

Suddenly, I begin to wonder what it might be like to follow the Rangers.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on Jan 9, 2009 3:28 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

but the who would complain with us?

I’m right here, no circle of protection or anything

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by devil_fingers on Jan 9, 2009 9:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

well, to restate my points from the other thread

first:
I really like this signing…

we don’t have a really good utility MI option in the minors
Bloomquist seems to have the right skills for a utility guy, speed, serviceable defense
3/2 isn’t gonna break the bank. sure, its more than league minimum, but who is a comparably skilled player available for league minimum?

Second:

Bloomquist vs. German

same age/yearly salary (Willie has an extra year tho)
Bloomquist plays better (but not good) defense at more positions (including SS)
German has had a better bat, but has declined VERY quickly the last few years

Third:

Bloomquist could replace 2 roster spots in theory, German and TPJ

so would Bloomquist + player x be better than German and TPJ?

by ZeppelinDZ on Jan 9, 2009 3:32 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I think the updgrade over German is possible

But I think TPJ may make a better utility/late inning sub guy.

by royalsreview on Jan 9, 2009 3:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

definately true

but how valuable is a player who’s sole role on a team is to play 2 innings of defensive SS every 4th day and never bat/run/etc.

by ZeppelinDZ on Jan 9, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

don't forget his potential bullpen contributions!

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by buddyball on Jan 9, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

As long as player X be a quality bat of some sort.

Dayton Moore and Bill Bavasi must have been seperated at birth.

by Omerta on Jan 9, 2009 3:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This is the final piece of shit on the mound of shit that has been this offseason

Congratulations to you Dayton Moore, the rest of the baseball world is laughing their collective asses off at your FA signings

realistically speaking

by slayor on Jan 9, 2009 3:35 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Mariners fans don't really mean to laugh at you.

We’re still just giddy from having run Bavasi out of town.

Enjoy Willie. If he has one useful skill, he does seem to be well liked by all the umpires. He’ll get the most absurd blown calls in his favour.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Jan 9, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't be so sure

that this is actually the FINAL piece of shit.

meat

by kabrink on Jan 9, 2009 11:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

wow, over the top

as a fantasy geek, I went through a lot of last year searching the waiver wire and bloomquist was frequently the best guy available. I always thought that was ridiculous but continued to follow him. He actually had a pretty good year and I would definitely rather have him than German and TPJ. He’s a decent 4th/5th outfielder and middle guy. I see he and Callaspo platooning a little and him giving Gordon days off.
And I’m ok with 2 years since he’s not blocking anyone. Johnny G will hopefully be ready in 2 years.

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by Matty486 on Jan 9, 2009 3:47 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

There is definitely a shot

Pedroia (his closest comparable player) was up at the end of his third year. I think if Johnny is going to be a real major league level talent he will have to be up by Sept. ’10 otherwise he will just be minor league filler.

I still believe in Bianchi myself, good pop and finally out of bad hitting leagues I wouldn’t be totally shocked by a Sept ’09 callup for Bianchi.

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by kcscoliny on Jan 9, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

is the AL Central 5x5 or head-to-head

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by devil_fingers on Jan 9, 2009 9:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think this is OK, IF

If Bloomquist is the backup for the middle infield with German, and TPJ is off this team in AAA perfecting his pitching. Seriously TPJ is NOT a plus defender at SS. He booted more balls last year in limited time than Aviles did all year. Well not quite, TPJ had 9 errors in 61 games started (94 total played in, 592 innings at SS) for a .966 Fielding Pct at SS, while Aviles had 10 errors (a few throwing errors I remember, as they led directly to runs scoring, 748 innings at SS) and he started 89 of the 91 he played at SS. Aviles did not make an error at 2nd or 3rd in limited time, and had a total fielding pct at SS of .974. Don’t believe in FPct? Well I don’t totally either, but Aviles only had 1 extra error in a little more than 150 extra innings. Aviles averaged an error every 8.3 games, Pena was 1 per 7.3 games. I know errors are subjective, but Aviles got to balls last year that Pena wouldn’t have touched. Neither are polished defenders, but I prefer Aviles to the no hit/erratic field Pena Jr. G-G-G-G-G-GOODBYE TPJ!

by AxDxMx on Jan 9, 2009 3:47 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I think you really underrate TPJ's defense

It’s true that Aviles defied everyone and had a great year defensively and has earned a chance to play the year at SS. But TPJ is still better defensively imo. TPJ also sucks at everything else baseball related and should be released.

by ZeppelinDZ on Jan 9, 2009 3:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He's not

He pulled a Berroa and started playing worse in the field because his bat was bad. I really dislike TPJ. We would have had 5 or 6 more wins early in the year with a big league bat in the lineup. We were batting someone worse than an NL pitcher every night. He’s the guy that everyone moves in for because everyone knows he can’t hit it out of the infield. He needs to go down to AAA and prove something before he is ever allowed back to MLB. I would love for him to pan out and be wrong about him, but I just don’t see it.

by AxDxMx on Jan 9, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously,

there is nothing left for Pena to do on this team unless he moves to the bullpen! OH HAPPY DAY! A legitmate big league back up! I’m so happy with this deal, that Dayton Moore will probably make sure that Bloomquist plays in place of Aviles 75% of the time and block him in a Gload-like fashion.

by AxDxMx on Jan 9, 2009 3:49 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I'm thinking this means TPJ is cut, and Teahen is going to be gone before ST...

That would leave us with an outfield of:
Dejesus
Crisp
Guillen

Then an infield of Gordon / Aviles / Callapso, with Jacobs or Butler at first.
Bloomquist gets to be backup CF and shortstop, German is backup 2B and backup LF/RF. I would be okay with this.

realistically speaking

by slayor on Jan 9, 2009 3:52 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I can't see them going with Bloomquist and German (and Gload?)

as the backup OFers. Especially with DDJ’s tendency to get nicked up and Guillen being Guillen.

by Top Ramen on Jan 9, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I dont think we

will ever have to see Esty in the OF again.

by gilmeche55 on Jan 9, 2009 3:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Praise Jeebus!

Your 2009 Backup OFs – Teahen and Bloomquist

by Top Ramen on Jan 9, 2009 4:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

usually in strip clubs, sometimes at the convenience store buying beer and sour patch kids

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by devil_fingers on Jan 9, 2009 11:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Shealy's a born again Christian

He’s at church.

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by NYRoyal on Jan 9, 2009 11:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

no

no way german is backup anything in the OF. Bloomquist plays all three better.

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by Matty486 on Jan 9, 2009 3:54 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

yeah but we already signed German to a guaranteed deal, releasing him would be idiotic

unless we trade him for nothing, which would also be puzzling.

realistically speaking

by slayor on Jan 9, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

we have DFAed guys making more

unfortunate, but not the end of the world

by ZeppelinDZ on Jan 9, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I still

don’t see German making the team. I still think Teahen will be here. Willie Ballgame will back up all IF except 1st. Teahen all OF, and Shealy backing up at 1st. No Gload, no German, no TPJ

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by Matty486 on Jan 9, 2009 3:56 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

They did just give German a contract

They can cut him and only pay 1/6 of it, but I would think if they really didn’t want him, they would have non-tendered him.

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by RoyalsRetro on Jan 9, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

backups

Shealy
Teahen
Willie Ballgame
Buck

You only get four if you go with 12 pitchers

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by Matty486 on Jan 9, 2009 3:57 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Too bad we can't dump Buck or Olivo and get Brayan Pena up here...

Sigh. Sucks that 2 of our bench players (Teahen and Buck) will most likely be better than the guys starting in favor of them.

realistically speaking

by slayor on Jan 9, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

more genius

every single projection system I’ve seen has Buck outhitting Olivo. Yes, it outdoes Olivo’s slight advantage in defense.

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by devil_fingers on Jan 9, 2009 9:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Olivo as starter

I have an extraordinarily difficult time believing “the promise” will come true when all is said and done.

by Royals Nation on Jan 9, 2009 9:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

you like

how I’m trying to get the “Willie Ballgame” thing going?

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by Matty486 on Jan 9, 2009 3:58 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

first time

our bench wasn’t just filler in a long time.
Guys like German, TPJ, and Gload are just roster filler.

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by Matty486 on Jan 9, 2009 3:59 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

german is a majorleague hitter, gload is a major league back up

both of those guys are going to catch on with somebody. German could start for the nationals, could of started for the giants or pirates too probably last year

realistically speaking

by slayor on Jan 9, 2009 4:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

German

Always wanted to see what he could do playing everyday somewhere. He needs to get out of this organization

by gilmeche55 on Jan 9, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

realistically speaking

by slayor on Jan 9, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Um, German is way better than either of those guys

one bad year doesn’t nullify that

THe only thing saving the Gload contract from being DMGM’s worst is that it’s relatively small… for a defensive specialist… at first base… who isn’t good defensively… except if you are used to see Mike Sweeney and Billy Butler stumble around out there

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by devil_fingers on Jan 9, 2009 9:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Projections

2009 Projections:

Bill James: .261/.329/.319
Marcel: .265/.340/.344
CHONE: .265/.337/.345
ZIPS: .268/.342/.316

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by RoyalsRetro on Jan 9, 2009 4:27 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Don't understand the Marcel/CHONE projections

They’re predicting him to have the highest SLG of his career as a 31 year old (except for his 12 game audition back in 2002).

by Top Ramen on Jan 9, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Roids

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by RoyalsRetro on Jan 9, 2009 4:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Like their namesake, the James projections are stuck in the 1970s

when saying that HRs and walks matter above all was still a radical thing, so if a guy doesn’t have them, his projection isn’t going to be good, most likely

we get it, Bill, Secondary Average is more important! But Pete Palmer’s linear weights still kick RC all to hell!

I just surprised they don’t project Win Shares….

/snotty saber-snark

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by devil_fingers on Jan 9, 2009 9:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So, assuming P.T. distribution is equal among all four projection sources

(I’m sure the plate appearances are different)…

The average trio would be:

.265/.337/.331

The average OBP throughout baseball last year was .335, I believe. We’ll assume it’s .335 for next year. So he’ll possess, according to these projections, a roughly league average OBP. Couple that with an ability to play seven positions, the fact that he will (should) exclusively be coming from the bench, and given that he’s well above average defensively at a couple positions, then overall it’s not a bad move.

devil_fingers predicted that 2/#3 sounds about right for Bloomquist in this market.

I really, really think we should have gone for 1 year (perhaps a player option). If we had waited a bit longer, that may have gotten it done.

My point, though? It’s an understandable move, in theory.

by Royals Nation on Jan 9, 2009 8:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This is the Gload contract, redux

Just a bit smaller.

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by NYRoyal on Jan 9, 2009 8:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Gload is a corner player

a first baseman, mostly. He accrued way, way, way too much starting time, which made the deal substantially worse. Bloomquist is a middle infield bench player capable of playing corner positions in a pinch, but all in extremely limited P.T.

Like I said, I feel the second year was unnecessary but nothing worth fretting about.

Gload and Bloomquist might be similar players offensively, but their defensive positions make the two values substantially different. One is a bench playing primary MIF (who should find bench spots anywhere in MLB), while one is a backup first baseman, primarily (not worthy of bench spots in MLB unless he provides substantially good defense and OBP – which Gload does neither of).

by Royals Nation on Jan 9, 2009 8:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What is worth fretting about is that Moore doesn't have the first clue what makes for a good position player, nor how much they are worth

He doesn’t realize that replacement level talent is essentially free and that there’s no reason to spend $3M on it. This was like the Gload contract in that it was too much money for too many years for a replacement level player.

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by NYRoyal on Jan 9, 2009 8:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Replacement level talent

….is even much better than Angel Sanchez. Looking at the other backup MIF options available (Eckstein, Cora, Eckstein, Uribe, etc.), this makes sense. If I had to choose between Bloomquist and Angel Freaking Sanchez, I would take Bloomquist every. single. time.

And I don’t see how the Gload and Bloomquist contracts are comparable, when adjusted for position and playing time allocation.

by Royals Nation on Jan 9, 2009 9:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

except that Angel Sanchez would be $400,000

and the saving could go to another Ho-Ram deal!

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by devil_fingers on Jan 9, 2009 9:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Used Eckstein twice

I think I meant to say ‘Counsell’, who has actually been below replacement level for some time. The Brewers G.M., ironically, was lambasted for signing him to a multi-year deal two years ago.

by Royals Nation on Jan 9, 2009 9:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Eckstein's just. that. damn. good.

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by devil_fingers on Jan 9, 2009 9:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The Royals didnt' need to sign one of those FA's at all

The best choice would have been to stand pat rather than flush money down the toilet.

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by NYRoyal on Jan 9, 2009 9:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Chris Burke

is he still out there? Better than Bloomquist, will sign for less money. Might even be a guy with a legit claim to be better than Callaspo

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by devil_fingers on Jan 9, 2009 9:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think he's still out there, but not really a SS

More of a 2B, but so good defensively at 2B that he might be decent at SS. Who knows, maybe an equal to Bloomy defensively. He would have been a better choice.

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by NYRoyal on Jan 9, 2009 10:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The comparison and the logic for this pick is...

Teahen, not Gload. DM likes this guy because he is Teahen Jr. They are both average/below average bats that can play all over the place. Gload can only really play 1B.

meat

by kabrink on Jan 9, 2009 11:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Catcher – Olivo
1b- Jacobs
2b- Callaspo
SS-Aviles
3b- Gordon
LF- DDJ
CF- Crisp
RF- Guillen
DH-Butler
Bench
Teahen
Buck
Bloomquist

German?
Shealy?
Gload?

Why do we have three second baseman again? Wasn’t that the problem with Grudz? I know Bloomquist plays SS too but doesn’t the roster flexibility really suck at this point.

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by kcscoliny on Jan 9, 2009 4:40 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

bloomquist and Teahen both concevaably

Bloomquist and Teahen both conceivably can play almost anywhere on the field, that’s really flexible if you ask me.

by ZeppelinDZ on Jan 9, 2009 5:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes but do you eat German's 1.2M?

With the Gload contract that is 3.1M the team is eating in nonroster players not alot but not needed in a depressed market.

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by kcscoliny on Jan 9, 2009 5:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We call him 'The Igniter' for a reason

His line from last year seems like it must be a typo….but having actually watched the games I know better.
Still, .279/.377/.285? This includes 193 PA’s w/o an XBH which as I recall, was very close to being an all-time record. He did end up with 1(!) double.

Last year he seemed to forsake trying to hit the ball with any authority for an increase in average and OBP. I actually think this is the best approach for him to take. He can hit singles, draw some walks and steal a few bases (Moneybags! as Mr. Rizzs calls them), more so vs. LHP. As much as we’ve razzed him over the years, it was always with love (unlike say, HoRam). If properly used, he’s not really that bad of a guy to have around. I wish him well.

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by Big Jared on Jan 9, 2009 4:53 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Holy crap, it really is Joey Gathright 2.0

And here I thought we were done watching opposing outfielders play at co-ed slow pitch softball depth when a Royal is at bat.

by Top Ramen on Jan 9, 2009 4:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Joey Gathright can't effectively play 2B, SS, 3B, 1B, LF, CF, and RF.

And Joey Gathright accrued much more playing time than Bloomquist should, and likely will, receive.

by Royals Nation on Jan 9, 2009 8:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I was talking about the
Last year he seemed to forsake trying to hit the ball with any authority for an increase in average and OBP.

We’ve seen how year two of that goes….

by Top Ramen on Jan 9, 2009 10:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Dayton

has got to go, at least as the head guy for this organization.

by wildthang on Jan 9, 2009 5:37 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

810 am reporting Davies signed a one year deal avoiding arbitration

anyone got the numbers?

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by kcscoliny on Jan 9, 2009 5:38 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

HORRIBLE MOVE!!!!1

Way too much for a #4 starter who has never had more than 2 months of continuous MLB success1

Gawd, Moore.

by Royals Nation on Jan 9, 2009 8:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

this is sarcastic, right?

this is billy beane level relative to the Farnsworth/HoRam/Jacobs trifecta of Baird

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by devil_fingers on Jan 9, 2009 9:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

-ness

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by devil_fingers on Jan 9, 2009 9:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It's sarcasm.

Trading an injury-prone set-up man for a power hitter with horrible luck the prior year and a good bet to be an everyday-caliber player is a very good thing. (of course, DH P.T. would also help, but considering our options [Butler doesn’t look much better, but obviously deserves the chance])

As for HoRam….1 year.

I did not support the Farnsworth deal.

by Royals Nation on Jan 9, 2009 9:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

that's what I thought,

I the obligatory !!1111

or

sarcasm font

got left out of your post

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by devil_fingers on Jan 9, 2009 9:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And, for the record,

I gave the Nunez-for-Jacobs deal a ‘6’. I didn’t exactly like the Crisp deal initially, and was lukewarm to the Jacobs deal at first, but opponents of those trades need to actually assess what we surrendered to net those players.

by Royals Nation on Jan 9, 2009 9:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

just one analysis

Hmmm…. Nunez was worth about 1 WAR in 2008. Jacobs was below replacement level. Now compare salaries, club control, and age.

Many pointed this out at the time.

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by devil_fingers on Jan 9, 2009 9:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

in general, i like the idea of trading relievers for position players

Unless you already have 3 or 4 guys vying for said position. Then it just becomes stupid. That said, I’m actually kind of excited about Jacobs — it’s been so long since we’ve had a guy that could hit homeruns. And I think he’ll improve over last year.

It’s just that it made no strategic sense for the R’s to trade for him, at least without trading away some of their other options there.

by marbotty on Jan 10, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

wow

i love this signing actually. gets rid of TPJ and maybe German. OKish bat in terms of OBP and can play all over the diamond competently.

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by doublestix on Jan 9, 2009 5:39 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

i don't want to get rid of german, per say

but using one middle infielder on the bench rather than two (Pena and German) is better IMO. it allows Shealy, Jacobs, and Butler to all be on the roster and having a roving platoon at 1B/DH + late inning bopper.

it allows a bench of—

Teahen
Bloomquist
Backup catcher (Buck/Pena/House)
Shealy/Jacobs/Butler (whoever isn’t playing)

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by doublestix on Jan 9, 2009 5:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Forgive me

Many years of an overly strict Latin teacher require me to note it is “per se”—-‘by itself.’

It’s not you, it’s me. If I don’t do this, my knuckles start to hurt, waiting for what’s to come.

by howserfan2 on Jan 9, 2009 6:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"If I don’t do this, my knuckles start to hurt, waiting for what’s to come"

(ahem)

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by devil_fingers on Jan 9, 2009 9:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What a counter-productive signing?

If a situation ever arises in which Willie Bloomquist is the best player the Royals can have on the field in any position then this team absolutely horrible. Bloomquist has been one of the rock bottom worst MLB players for five consecutive years! And have you noticed most of his playing time comes in CF, not at SS?

Dayton Moore signing him to a 2 YEAR CONTRACT is crazy stupid. And I am absolutely positive I will never regret putting that down in writing.

Has anyone else noticed that Adam Dunn might be available at a buyer’s price? I don’t think GMDM has been following this story. If I read sometime in the next couple of weeks that Dunn signs a 2/20 contract somewhere I’ll just feel like a warm squishy bag of crap. And no, seeing Bloomquist and Farnsworth on the roster will be no consolation.

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by James Quinn on Jan 9, 2009 5:44 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Negotiation tips with Dayton Moore

Agent : My client wants 2 years 3 million
GMDM: I don’t know let me pray about it
Agent: He’s white and attends church regularly
GMDM : Well theres no reason to pray about it then. Agreed shakes hand and thanks him.
Agent : You’re a tough customer GMDM have I talked to you about this sweat vacation timeshare I have in Boise yet?

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by kcscoliny on Jan 9, 2009 5:47 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I picture it more as:

Agent : My client wants 1 year 1.5 million
GMDM: What about 2 years?
Agent: I’d have to talk to my client
< Client >: Seriously??? Sign that before he comes to his senses!!
GMDM: So?
Agent: We reluctantly accept your offer. You’re one hell of a negotiator Dayton.

by Top Ramen on Jan 9, 2009 10:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

SeattleTimes.com:
Bloomquist tended to polarize Mariners’ fans, a portion of whom lauded his “grit” and believed he deserved more playing time, and a portion of whom mocked what they believed to be a level of adulation disproportionate to his skill level.

This shit really makes me want to quit being a Royals fan. Seriously. Compete for a starting job? Are you f’ing kidding me

realistically speaking

by slayor on Jan 9, 2009 5:51 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

First match when you google "Bloomquist" and "grit"

Worth a chuckle

A blog called Veteran Grit gives Bloomquist the royal treatment.

I guess Bloomquist will keep the team’s grit level high dispite the loss of Grudz.

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by James Quinn on Jan 9, 2009 6:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Standard G.M.-speak

Give young players some mediocre veteran competition.

I wouldn’t place much emphasis on the comments. I’m a tiny bit worried, but it’s on the backburner at this point. Nothing even remotely close to comprise your fandom for. rolls eyes

by Royals Nation on Jan 9, 2009 7:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I share

this as a major concern with Hillman and Gloadquist. It’s obvious from their orgasmic statements about his “character” and “ignitor” abilities that they already love the guy – based on conversations rather than performance measures. To add, it’s pretty obvious that they dislike Callaspo presumabley because they judge his “character” as flawed. So, Gloadquist, I fear has a really good, if irrational, chance to be our starting 2B.

I’m guessing the real Gload will also be playing more than any of us expect. It is going to be criminal.

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by kabrink on Jan 10, 2009 4:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Jesus

could make Frank White young again and start him

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by kabrink on Jan 10, 2009 9:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Willie Bloomquist nicknames according to Wikipedia

“Wee Willie”, “Ballgame”. , “The Ignitor”, “Effin”, “WFB”, “WMFB”, “W2008FB”, “The Spork”, “Princess Willie”, and “Willie Boom-Boom”.

The Spork quite possibly is the greatest nickname of all time.

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by kcscoliny on Jan 9, 2009 5:55 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Trey will call him Bloomy

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by doublestix on Jan 9, 2009 6:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

it's as if he's taking everything out of Joe Torre's handbook

the generic nicknames, the preference for crappy vets, the inability to use the bullpen properly…

…except the one thing that Joe Torre is actually good at — keeping the players’ respect

you know teahen and DDJ are spending the offseason texting each other new Hillman jokes

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by devil_fingers on Jan 9, 2009 10:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, there's at least one hall of famer with that name.

Jeff's guide to not looking stupid:
+/- is an absolutely terrible stat, so don't use it, and don't give up on young players before they turn 24.
54!

by joof on Jan 10, 2009 1:20 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wee Willie Keeler

Prior to 2004, Keeler held the all-time single-season singles record. He hit 206 singles in 1898.

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by Llewdor on Jan 10, 2009 5:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Princess Willie was always my favourite.

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by Llewdor on Jan 10, 2009 5:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

As a 25th guy

You could do worse.

Although, you could do also do the same for the league minimum which is what I don’t understand.

If he gets the starting job over Callaspo I’ll pull out my eyebrows.

by howserfan2 on Jan 9, 2009 6:11 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

yea that would be bad

although i wouldn’t mind him starting on the days Hochevar pitches. Aviles and “Bloomy” would cover a lot of ground up the middle.

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by doublestix on Jan 9, 2009 6:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

But do you see the problem with spending $3M over two years on a 25th guy?

25th guys are usually replacement level guys, and certainly Bloomquist is. Smart teams spend $400K on replacement level talent. Stupid front offices lock down that kind of talent for multiple years for multiple millions of dollars.

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by NYRoyal on Jan 9, 2009 10:05 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Here is what I posted at RN and RC:

I’m actually content with this move.

Advantages:
- Bloomquist can play a multitude of different positions – some better than others. Basically, he can ably play every position except catcher and pitcher – a pretty valuable asset from the bench
- The Bill James and Marcel projections don’t reveal terrible #s for an essential middle infield backup for 2009
- We have enough worthwhile candidates for starter spots that Bloomquist can be safely stowed on the bench

Disadvantages:

- It’s a two-year contract. I have to think that a one-year deal, or at least a 1 year deal with an option could have been available. Willie Bloomquist is not more valuable in 2008-9 than Miguel Olivo was in 2007-8.
- The formidable possibility remains that Bloomquist unseats Alberto Callaspo (and, to a much lesser degree, Mike Aviles) for the starting role sometime sooner in 2009. That would be a mistake. He doesn’t possess nearly the upside Callaspo does, defense included. (Callaspo is a .300/.360/.380 hitter, at best, which is very good for a 2B.

I think the advantages outweigh the disadvantages, but only narrowly. A one-year deal for Bloomquist certainly would have been a better move than 1-year for Eckstein or Counsell, but a 2-year? Hmmmm…..management needs to handle Bloomquist correctly.

by Royals Nation on Jan 9, 2009 6:53 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I bet

when Bloomquist was offered the contract he had the same look on his face as those old ladies who get a check from Publisher’s Clearing House.

“Why me?”

by gilmeche55 on Jan 9, 2009 7:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Great stuff, but you muffed Mrs Agent's last line

“Woo-ho— wait, who the hell is Willie Bloomquist?”

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by devil_fingers on Jan 9, 2009 10:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree that the second year was a mistake.

Who else could we have realistically acquired that could have played shortstop for a significantly cheaper amount, per year? I’m being honest; not trying to extract a certain answer from you. I’m curious.

by Royals Nation on Jan 9, 2009 7:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good defensive SS’s who can’t hit are available by the dozen every year on the minor league free agent market. Angel Sanchez is one such example. For replacement level players, you don’t need to spend $3M. You can pick them up off of the scrap heap.

And it’s not like Bloomquist’s SS defense is genuinely good. Looking at the stats, I find it hard to argue that it is any better than average. And if the trend of the last three years means anything, he’s below average. And defensive skills decline with age, and he’s past his peak already.

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by NYRoyal on Jan 9, 2009 8:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Angel Sanchez?

That is setting your standards horrifically low, NYRoyal. Sanchez was putrid in AA-ball last year. Based on his current projections, there is no way he touches the big leagues, except for a couple cups of coffee, here and there. He is a putrid, putrid hitter and an average at best shortstop (with range, but poor instincts).

by Royals Nation on Jan 9, 2009 8:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

agreed...

Sanchez is barely a AAA player. He’d be TPJ at best with the bat with worse defense.

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by doublestix on Jan 9, 2009 8:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Angel is better than TPJ

with the bat come on stix you know that. He makes consistent contact at least.

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by kcscoliny on Jan 10, 2009 12:04 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

well maybe

i’m not convinced he would be better. he was almost TPJ bad in Omaha last year.

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by doublestix on Jan 10, 2009 1:04 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

All defense, no-hit players are a dime a dozen

And they do at least one thing well: play defense. Bloomquist does not. He’s an average defensive middle IFer at best, who can’t hit. I’d much rather Moore have gotten any one of the many genuinely good defensive middle IFers out there on the minor league FA market than to spend $3M on Bloomquist’s unimpressive lack of skills.

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by NYRoyal on Jan 9, 2009 8:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

See NYR

and you dogged me last year when I said to keep Sanchez as the backup SS.

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by kcscoliny on Jan 10, 2009 12:03 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I dogged you?

What did I say about him? I don’t think he’s good or even average. I don’t think he ever will be. But if you’re talking about a roughly replacement level utility IFer, I’ll take the one with good SS defense who costs $400K over one with mediocre defense at best who costs $1.5M for each of two years. But just because Sanchez would have made more sense than Bloomy doesn’t mean that Sanchez would have been the best choice for the Royals. It just shows how stupid this Bloomy contract is.

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by NYRoyal on Jan 10, 2009 12:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Berroa

and I’m only half-joking

by Top Ramen on Jan 9, 2009 10:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The problem is that he's a liability at the plate AND in the field

There are always cheap middle IF options that are at least good fielders.

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by NYRoyal on Jan 9, 2009 10:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This was stupid

Sure the money wasn’t huge, but why? If it were a one-year deal that would be one thing. But he really wanted to lock Bloomquist up for two guaranteed years? Another D- move to add to Moore’s grade card.

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by NYRoyal on Jan 9, 2009 6:53 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I don't understand how the Braves are continuously mocked around here.

1991: 94-68 (.605, NL Title)
1992: 98-64 (.605, NL Title)
1993: 104-58 (.642, DIV Title)
1994: 68-46 (.596, strike-shortened)
1995: 90-54 (.625, WS Title)
1996: 96-66, .593, NL Title)
1997: 101-61 (.623, DIV Title)
1998: 106-56 (.654, DIV Title)
1999: 103-59 (.636, NL Title)
2000: 95-67 (.586, DIV Title)
2001: 88-74 (.543, DIV Title)
2002: 101-59 (.631, DIV Title)
2003: 101-61 (.623, DIV Title)
2004: 96-66 (.593, DIV Title)
2005: 90-72 (.556, DIV Title)

That’s simply uncanny. Moore wasn’t an insignificant part of that, folks.

by Royals Nation on Jan 9, 2009 7:18 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

The Braves stuff is a joke

Or at least it should be. The problem with Moore isnt that he acquires former Braves or Mariners or Rockies. The biggest problem is acquiring replacement level players and giving them millions of dollars.

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by NYRoyal on Jan 9, 2009 7:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The Braves stuff is a joke

The Braves receive only an ounce of respect in the sabermetric community….not nearly as much as the A’s or Red Sox. While I like sabermetrics, myself, I have to admit that a) the 1991-2004 Braves don’t get nearly the respect they deserve, and b) I think the Angels, Twins, and Braves prove that there are multiple methods of building a winner. The Braves operate on a mostly scouting analysis (not unsimilar to what the current Royals do), and are shrugged off for it.

I do think that Moore needs to adopt a better concept of ‘replacement value’, though, among other things (like OBP). But the Bloomquist move isn’t a blemish, IMO. I give it a B- to B.

by Royals Nation on Jan 9, 2009 7:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The braves model relied on HOF pitching

a HOF 3B and until recently a CF on a HOF fast track.

Bloomquist is a pointless move. There is no reason he should get a guaranteed contract. Ever.

by wildthang on Jan 9, 2009 10:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What, are Atlanta's 2006-2008 records top secret classified info or something

2008: 72-90
2007: 84-78
2006: 79-83

The notion that they don’t any respect in the sabermetic community as laughable as the idea that Mike Jacobs is a passable 1B — you can convince yourself on the fly, but it doesn’t stand up to close investigation. BP’s books, JOhn Sickels, etc. go out of their way to point out that the Braves have done well with traditional methods.

They haven’t, however, produced as many great players and championships since the Turner money dried up. Frank Wren is embarrassing himself (although he’s a pretty good trader) int he FA market.

Remember Chuck Lamar? The guy who was like Allard Baird, except without the “Glass excuse?” Yeah, he was basically the first Dayton Moore — hotshot player development guy from Atlanta. He did have some decent drafts, but, stop me if you’ve heard this before, was a moron when it came to the FA market or a clue of how to build a team without Billionaire Ted’s checkbook.

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by devil_fingers on Jan 9, 2009 10:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And to add to that, the sabermetric community does not thinking scouting and tools-based analysis has little worth

The sabermetric community recognizes that scouting and tools-based analysis is very important, as is statistical analysis. Both are very important to a team’s success. For a team to succeed, their front office has to either be pretty good at both or extremely good at one or the other.

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by NYRoyal on Jan 9, 2009 10:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

exactly

sabermetrics is not “statistics,” it’s the “search for objective knowledge about baseball” or something. Scouting provides objective knowledge, but from a different source.

 The negative idealization of a stathead (loosely based on Michael Lewis’s hyperbole) as someone who thinks players should be evaluated only on stats, the person who pretty much doesn’t exist.

Real sabermetricians realize, as Bill James noted, that much of their work is figuring out the limits of statistics.

I must again give a money quote from Tom Tango:

The quickest explanation of sabermetrics was given by Theo Epstein early in his GM career, when he said that he sees statistics and scouting as two lenses of the glasses. Unsaid by him is that the glasses is sabermetrics. So, anyone who thinks of the choice as beer or nuts, ignores the reality that the choice is beer and nuts…. Also, the more performance statistics you have, the less value you can place in scouting, because at some point under certain conditions, the reality of what actually transpired is more important in determining what will happen than what the scout thinks that player will be doing. And vice-versa of course, if the performance numbers was based on small samples.

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by devil_fingers on Jan 9, 2009 10:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

what were the Braves?

in retrospect, I can barely remember

they had a few core guys and the rest was a million vet/retreads on short contracts

i think part of the reason why they don’t get respect, or enough chatter, is that no one really knows what the method was, or can explain it other than have 4 good players and fill in the rest

by royalsreview on Jan 9, 2009 11:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

They had (and I would guess still have, but I don't know) a great scouting organization

A great scouting system. Their front office was always very stat-light and scouting-heavy. And they were really good at scouting. That’s why they drafted well and traded well for the most part. You can succeed through great scouting, and they did.

Unfortunately, as more teams become stat-friendly, scouting accumen alone decrease’s a good scouting organization’s advantage. Perhaps that’s a reason the Braves have been less successful the last few years than they were for the previous 15

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by NYRoyal on Jan 9, 2009 11:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

I really dislike Chipper Jones for some reason, but having him would make a lot of GMs seem like geniuses…. of course, he was a #1 pick (maybe consensus, I don’t know), so there was some less-that-genius Gming going on by someone leading up to that, cf. A-Rod.

Andruw Jones was pretty good, too.

Neither Maddux nor Smoltz, iirc, were developed by them.

God, Chipper was +7 WAR, this year, AND last year

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by devil_fingers on Jan 9, 2009 11:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Neither Maddux nor Smoltz, iirc, were developed by them.

What is the relevance of that? The Braves front office spotted their talent and acquired them in shrewd moves. Isn’t that one important thing that a good front office does?

Aug 13,1987 – Smoltz traded by Tigers to Braves for RHP Doyle Alexander

Dec 9,1992 – Maddux signed as Free Agent by Braves.

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by NYRoyal on Jan 9, 2009 11:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I wasn't really making a point with that,

obviously, acquiring good guys is important. I was just separating Smoltz and Maddux from the scouting prospects part of it (although maybe Smoltz was a minor league thing)

of course, Maddux had just won the Cy Young the year before they got him. Maybe they shafted the Cubs in the trade, but it wasn’t like he was a diamond in the rough

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by devil_fingers on Jan 9, 2009 11:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

But scouting isn't just about evaluating prospects and potential draftees
obviously, acquiring good guys is important. I was just separating Smoltz and Maddux from the scouting prospects part of it (although maybe Smoltz was a minor league thing)

Scouting is a tool used for evaluating potential draftees, minor league prospects, young major leaguers and old major leaguers. It isn’t limited to minor leaguers. Now certainly I believe that tools-based analysis should be used less for older, more established players, but a good scouting organization can evaluate all players that way. If they do a good job of it, it can help them with trades and FA acquisitions. I mean, the Royals didn’t offer Meche 5/55 because they crunched his stats and determind that he was worth that. They looked at his tools and thought he was good and could/would become better. Scouting counts up and down the line of player evaluation.

of course, Maddux had just won the Cy Young the year before they got him. Maybe they shafted the Cubs in the trade, but it wasn’t like he was a diamond in the rough

Maddux was a FA signing. And no this wasn’t some impressive diamond in the rough acquisition, but I think a FO should get proper credit/blame for all of their moves. Choosing the right FA’s to offer big money to is a plus, just as choosing the wrong guys to offer big money to is a minus. In short, I think the Braves FO should get credit for acquiring both Smoltz and Maddux…because they acquired them.

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by NYRoyal on Jan 9, 2009 11:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

OK

we’re not even arguing at this point I agree with you

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by devil_fingers on Jan 9, 2009 11:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And

what’s the fun in agreeing?

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by kabrink on Jan 9, 2009 11:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

not consensus

Todd Van Poppel

I think that was his year anyways.

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by doublestix on Jan 10, 2009 1:05 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

in a sense

every year is Todd Van Poppel’s year

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by devil_fingers on Jan 10, 2009 1:10 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not gonna give GMDM that much credit for the Braves.

Atlanta’s big moves were Smoltz and Maddux with the development of Glavine and Chipper. Schuerholz was the engineer of Smoltz and Maddux and I’m not sure GMDM had anything to do with Glavine and Chipper. They road the coat tails of those fabulous 4 for years mixing some solid yet unspectacular talent with them. I don’t know who GMDM drafted but the recent drafts haven’t quite came with the same results. Maybe the fact that they don’t know that there are baseball towns outside of Georgia is their problem but I’m pretty sure it was GMDM who created that strategy.

I would say I hope he takes more of a look in the KC market so KC doesn’t miss out on the next Albert Pujols, Ryan Howard or Logan Morrison(You’ll hear of him very soon).

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by kcscoliny on Jan 10, 2009 12:11 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not to mention the South Florida Market

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by devil_fingers on Jan 10, 2009 12:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Check out my new signature saying

Jacobs drives the ball deep right center field.. of the top of the wall.. Crisp will score easy from 3rd, Bloomquist on first rounding second.. rounding 3rd.. scores and the royals take the lead in the top of the ninth.. Farnsworth comes in... 9 pitches, 3 strikeouts and the royals win the world series... and you said these guys wouldnt make an impact. HAH

by focs on Jan 9, 2009 7:18 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

HoRam

went 7 Strong 0 ER

Waecter pitched a strong 8th

Jacobs drives the ball deep right center field.. off the top of the wall.. Crisp will score easily from 3rd, Bloomquist on first rounding second.. rounding 3rd.. scores and the royals take the lead in the top of the ninth.. Farnsworth comes in... 9 pitches, 3 strikeouts and the royals win the world series... and you said these guys wouldnt make an impact. HAH

by focs on Jan 9, 2009 7:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Has HoRam ever pitched 7 shutout innings in one game?

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by Llewdor on Jan 10, 2009 5:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He was joking, ok?

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by NYRoyal on Jan 10, 2009 5:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That one was way to long

ill just keep it simple

Bloomquist. God? Or just an illusion? You be the judge.

by focs on Jan 9, 2009 7:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Rec'd

but you forgot the part about Jacobs getting thrown out at first

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by devil_fingers on Jan 9, 2009 10:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Really, there are only two questions: do we bat him leadoff or second and how many promotional ads do we feature him in?

How about we leave him on the bench so he can fulfill his .265/.330/.350 projections with a minimal cost, good defense, and capability of playing seven different positions?

I’m just bummed that this means we probably can’t also get Eckstein or Keith Lockhart.

I’m glad we didn’t sign David Eckstein. He would have made a poor signing, considering his offensive game is similar to that of Bloomquist except with weaker defense. Keith Lockhart doesn’t look like a terribly unviable option, though.

And hey, if we can build a really old, expensive team that peaks with a fluky 87 wins (or whatever it was) and then implodes, that means the master plan will have worked.

I see no reason to believe this happens. Any of this. What plan?! And no it wouldn’t have.

I don’t get the second year. I can understand that a) he’s just a utility guy (maybe) and that b) he’s not bad defensively actually and that c) the money’s not large. None of that really explains the second year or justifies it. Every roster spot has value and I’m not convinced that Bloomquist is the best use of a roster spot for the next two seasons. As with the Ho-Ram, Gload and Farnsworth signings, the Bloomquist deal looks like one in which Moore sweetened the terms in order to leave no chance that someone else might out-bid him. It just looks pointless from here.

I agree with you here. The second year puzzles me. This would have made a great signing if: a) he isn’t granted more than 200 PA’s per year, and b) he would have only been signed for 1 year.

Bloomquist has NO POWER. None. Joey Gathright laughs at him. The last two seasons, in 373 PAs, Bloomquist managed just six extra base hits. You know those random times TPJ would hit the ball really hard and bang one off the wall? (TPJ has forty extra base hits the last two years.) Well Bloomquist never does that. Ever.

Not worried about the lack of XBH power, as long as he sits in a strictly limited role. He’s a bench option at best, and only a utilityman in that he’s strictly a once-a-week player at any position.

First question, is Bloomquist better than German? Debatable. Is Bloomquist better to have around than TPJ? Possibly, but considering neither guy actually hits at all and should never have any high leverage at bats, I’d rather have the guy who is an unquestioned plus defender at SS. Third question, is Bloomquist better than Callaspo? Unlikely. Is he going to be better in 2010 than Giavotella?

Between Bloomquist and German, the defense isn’t comparable. At all. German is atrocious everywhere except second base, where he is slightly lower than mediocre. German is not a “super sub”, no matter how much the organization wanted to implement him as such. Pena is gone because of Bloomquist, assuming all other MIF options are healthy. And even then….he is probably gone. Bloomquist is certainly no better than Callaspo, while German is probably a tick better offensively. Callaspo deserves the starting role, no doubt about it, and I’m worried by the organization’s recent comments regarding who will start at second base.

I’d bet a kidney that Hillman falls hard for Bloomquist. Actually, a kidney and half a pancreas. He will see major playing time, so don’t pretend otherwise.

I would be willing to wager otherwise. Pretty big stretch to say he’s an essential starter (I assume that’s what you mean), even with a semi-traditionalist manager like Hillman. I am worried that he’ll be used for 250 or so PA’s, but I wouldn’t bet on “major playing time.”

by Royals Nation on Jan 9, 2009 7:27 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

+1 to all of it

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by doublestix on Jan 9, 2009 7:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, stix.

It seems I’ve adopted the role of resident optimist, lately. Funny….the folks at RC probably consider me a slight pessimist and the folks here at RR probably consider me a slight optimist. At least now they do. It seems the residual negativity previously at RR has turned into an almost universal one, though. Keep things in perspective, people.

by Royals Nation on Jan 9, 2009 7:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i think you are very realistic in all your analysis

give credit where credit is due, and give criticism where criticism is due. i agree with you more often than not.

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by doublestix on Jan 9, 2009 8:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, we've got a good 4th OFer in Teahen

…as well as guys who can be just as good/bad as Bloomy as an OFer in German and Callaspo. And if some OFer goes down with an injury, there’s Maier to step in who, like Bloomy, can’t hit but unlike Bloomy he can play good OF defense.

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by NYRoyal on Jan 9, 2009 11:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

and after the ball to the face, MITCH is at least as gritty as

Slick Willie

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by devil_fingers on Jan 9, 2009 11:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Check the projections

Marcels and CHONE both have German’s hitting making up the difference in their defense

But I bet Willie knows where the WMDs are

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oops, sorry about the politics

just getting worked about about a minor piece of stupidity

my apologies

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by devil_fingers on Jan 9, 2009 10:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This signing by Moore is like Bush's nomination of Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court

In and of itself, it was a small mistake. Stupid and indefensible but small, particularly because it was a correctable mistake, which he did correct. But on the heals of the Iraq War, no WMD’s and Katrina, it was like pouring salt into America’s wounds.

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by NYRoyal on Jan 9, 2009 10:16 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I try to be reasonable when some GM’s make moves and try understand where they’re coming from.
When Leo and Ram-Ram were traded for Jacobs and Coco, respectively, I could see the thinking behind the trade.
The Farnsworth signing, I could kinda see what the goal was.
Despite some criticism I could always think that GMDM wasn’t an idiot.

And then this shit happens. I don’t care if he’s the 25th man. Roster spots are valuable too and this REALLY pisses me off.

by Royal from Queens on Jan 9, 2009 8:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Avg. trio with combined projection systems was .265/.337/.331.

Not bad for a 7-position playing bench player. 180 PA’s from avg. to ever so slightly above avg. OBP? Acquisitions like this shouldn’t “piss” anyone off.

(Please note that I think projection systems combined bears significantly more weight than simply 1 projection system. They shouldn’t be taken too seriously, IMO, but 4 combined tells me a lot more).

by Royals Nation on Jan 9, 2009 8:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

From a Mariners fan, as much as I like to make fun

of Willie, he’s not such a bad OF. Defensive metrics are not reliable, especially when there is a small sample size.

by redwolf75 on Jan 10, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

What's the point?

That player that Bloomquist represents is already on the roster in some capacity.
Gload, German, and TP Jr.
Add to the fact that Teahen can already play 4 out of those 7 positions with German, Gload, and TP Jr. being able to take care of the rest.
To add ANOTHER player that does that is pointless.

by Royal from Queens on Jan 9, 2009 8:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, the Royals didn't really need someone to play those 7 positions

Teahen can play 4 positions. Callaspo can play at least 6. German can play 6. TPJ can play the IF positions. It’s not like the Royals were in need of another multi-position supersub. And then of course there’s the fact that Bloomy is a shitty supersub.

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by NYRoyal on Jan 9, 2009 8:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Bloomquist = better than Gload
Bloomquist = on par with German, slightly better depending on how you value defensive versatility
Bloomquist = much, much better than TPJ

by Royals Nation on Jan 9, 2009 8:46 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

that sums it up for me

what’s the problem with adding someone who is better than Gload, German, and TPJ? maybe it’s overpaying a little bit, but if GMDM/Hillman value intangibles, then so be it.

by benfunke on Jan 12, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I like this quote
Enjoy Willie. If he has one useful skill, he does seem to be well liked by all the umpires. He’ll get the most absurd blown calls in his favour.

That made me laugh! Thanks.

by Royal from Queens on Jan 9, 2009 8:21 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

this will offset all the crappy calls on Gordon!

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by doublestix on Jan 9, 2009 8:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

they should be fused into one

uber-player

but will Gordon’s talent be able to withstand such a massive infusion of grit without killing the host?

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by devil_fingers on Jan 9, 2009 10:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And to those who are assuming that Hillman will be smart enough to not play Bloomquist too much, I ask WHY?

Your faith in Hillman to do the smart thing and not play the gritty, scrappy player too much is completely inconsistent with his track record.

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by NYRoyal on Jan 9, 2009 8:26 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

long track record he's got there

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by doublestix on Jan 9, 2009 8:28 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

The evidence we have looks bad for Hillman

But of course he could change. But when the available evidence points in one direction, why should we assume that he’s going to go in the other direction? I can understand the desire to do some wishcasting, but then let’s just call it that. To say that this was a decent acquisition because Hillman won’t overuse him is a statement with foundation or support. Unfortunately Hillman’s track record makes it more likely that he’ll do the opposite.

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by NYRoyal on Jan 9, 2009 8:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Questions and my answers
First question, is Bloomquist better than German?

No. Bloomy is better defensively at SS than Germie, but that’s about it. They are both genuinely poor defensive OFers. German is the better hitter.

Is Bloomquist better to have around than TPJ?

If you had to have one of them as a starter, Bloomquist would be better. But if we’re talking about a limited use role as primarily a defensive replacement, then TPJ is better. TPJ is a good bet to be better defensively at every IF position than Bloomy in 2009. And if Aviles went down with an injury, the team would be better with Callaspo at SS and German at 2B than Bloomy at SS and Callaspo at 2B.

Third question, is Bloomquist better than Callaspo?

No.

Is he going to be better in 2010 than Giavotella?

Gia likely won’t be ready in 2010 and shouldn’t be rushed. And in 2010 there will be more all-defense, no-hit middle IFers on the major league and minor league FA market who can be had for pennies. Bloomy, on the other hand will be another year older (32) and likely another year worse.

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by NYRoyal on Jan 9, 2009 8:51 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

No. Bloomy is better defensively at SS than Germie, but that’s about it. They are both genuinely poor defensive OFers. German is the better hitter.

Which is a definite asset. Ability to effectively play SS is a near essential for backup MIF. Backup second baseman (like German) are just not that valuable.

by Royals Nation on Jan 9, 2009 9:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think both you and Moore put too much of a value on perhaps average SS defense

Think it would have been hard to find a shitting hitting middle IFer who could manage average SS defense for league minimum? It would have been a small mistake to sign Bloomy for 1/1.5. It’s actually a much larger mistake to sign him for 2/3 because that easts a bit into the 2010 payroll, a year the Royals might have a chance to contend. Moore made some stupid moves and overpaid for some crappy players this offseason, but the one-year deals were at least limited in their negative impact on the team. Now the Royals are in the hole to the tune of $6M for Farnsworth and Bloomquist. The downside to that isn’t just that offends my sense of economic efficiency. The problem is that let’s say Glass is willing to increase the payroll up to $85-90M next year. Without Farnsworth and Bloomy’s $6M, that could easily have been enough to get a genuinely good player, perhaps an impact bat. But add in that $6M and the Royals likely only have enough money for a mediocre player or two. That’s the problem with wasting millions on mediocre, sub-mediocre and genuinely shitty players. It takes away money you could have spent (and could spend in the future) on good players.

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by NYRoyal on Jan 9, 2009 9:30 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

also Callaspo can slide over the SS in emergencies

over the short-term, any advantage Bloomquist might have over Callaspo at SS is negligible

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by devil_fingers on Jan 9, 2009 10:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd love to see a

shitting hitthing middle infielder. Shit while he hits? That would be better than George Brett!

by Warden11 on Jan 9, 2009 10:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

that's all we ask

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by devil_fingers on Jan 9, 2009 10:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yea, and I feel crazy saying it

but i’d rather have TPJ as the 25th man than Bloomquist. I know there’s some problems with his glove, but, to use a Simmonsism, when a guy is very good at one specific thing, you can find a way to use that. TPJ has a sweet glove, and can easily handle 2nd and could probably handle 3rd. He’s also fairly fast.

The OF defense doesn’t matter. I just don’t see how Bloomquist is an upgrade that much over TPJ. He’s BARELY a better hitter.

by royalsreview on Jan 9, 2009 11:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

the worst part isn't he player

it’s the contract. Wny? Did the Punto (a better player) contract throw the marginal utility infielder market all out of wacK?

one more reason to hate the Twins

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by devil_fingers on Jan 9, 2009 11:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Silver lining

This probably means we won’t be spending 3/24 plus a draft pick on Orlando Cabrera.

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by NYRoyal on Jan 9, 2009 10:07 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

please shoot me

if thats the silver lining.

by wildthang on Jan 9, 2009 10:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's as good as it gets

This does point to the fact that this isn’t a huge negative. It only hurts the Royals post-2009 to the tune of one year and $1.5M. At least it isn’t a big contract to a overrated player which would really hamstring the organization for a while.

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by NYRoyal on Jan 9, 2009 10:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I just can't get past the 2 years

You can maybe talk me into accepting that Bloomquist is a decent signing for what he is and what he will play (not much). You can maybe even persuade me that he is worth $1.5m. Both are unlikely, but you have a chance.

You will never, ever persuade me that making this 2 years guarenteed is anything other than ridiculous. It genuinley scares me that our General Manager thinks doing that is a GOOD THING. Crazy.

by kcbottom9th on Jan 9, 2009 10:18 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

He’s likely not a great choice and not worth the money at 1-year/$1.5M, but that is a HoRam-like mistake. Not entirely without positives and the mistake only covers one non-contending year. Two years is just indefensible. It’s like with the Farnsworth signing (not that it was THAT bad): I have no idea what he was thinking. Why would he think that 2-years/$3M was a wise move for this team and that player? I can’t even make a half-assed argument for it.

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by NYRoyal on Jan 9, 2009 10:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

oh, yyeah

if the Royals really wanted a good defensive SS as a backup, Adam Everett signed for 1/1, hits only slightly worse than Bloomquist (scary, I know), and even hurt last year, was a +10/150 SS.

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by devil_fingers on Jan 9, 2009 10:25 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I agree in principle, but in practice...

Everett took 1/1 to be a starting SS for a contender. He would have required much more to be a utility IFer on a non-contender. As I’m sure he’s trying to re-establish himself (for the present and future) as a starting SS in the eyes of MLB, I think it would have taken a lot more money to lure him to KC to be a backup.

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by NYRoyal on Jan 9, 2009 10:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

There isn't a clear way of knowing how much more than $1M it would have taken

But of course it would have taken more than $1M. Even if he’s just looking out for money, the starting job he’s getting in Detroit helps him more in the long run because it could help him get another full-time job in the future. A reserve role in KC hurts his chances of getting a starting job again.

For every player, there is value in being a starter and playing for a contender. If you want to sign a player to a reserve role and you’re not a contending team, you’re going to have to offer more. The only question is how much more. And it would be silly to think that a token bump (like $1.1M) would have been enough.

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by NYRoyal on Jan 9, 2009 10:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Um, it took 2/$3 to get Willie Bloomquist to KC

you think he was just gonna take the first two-year offer from whatever crappy team that came up?

oh, yeah…

BURKE NOW.

And by “NOW,” I mean, go back in time, rescind the Willie B. offer, etc.

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by devil_fingers on Jan 9, 2009 10:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Can he play SS?

I’m not saying he can’t. But he hasn’t. Unless the Royals were going to stick with TPJ (which wouldn’t have been the end of the world in that reserve role), they needed someone who could at least handle SS defensively.

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by NYRoyal on Jan 9, 2009 11:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

average in an unusably small sample size at SS

he’s +10.150 buZR career at 2B, which would imply at least passable D at SS. Clearly projects as a better hitter that Bloomquist..

CHONE has him projected at +3 at 2B, -3 at SS (inferential on the latter)

CHONE projects Blomquist worse than that on both counts

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by devil_fingers on Jan 9, 2009 11:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That rings true to me

At least similar defensively at SS, and Burke the better hitter. And likely cheaper.

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by NYRoyal on Jan 9, 2009 11:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

just got back from dinner...

can’t believe comments are still rolling in

by royalsreview on Jan 9, 2009 10:54 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I was thinking the same thing ...

… on freaking backup infielder/pinch runner.

The key to this trade is seeing Gload let go. If he isn’t, then I really hate this move.

by Jeff Zimmerman (TucsonRoyal) on Jan 9, 2009 11:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If he pushes anyone out (and he does), it's not Gload

It’s German or TPJ or both.

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by NYRoyal on Jan 9, 2009 11:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No, the Braves traded him because he was out of options back then.

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by NYRoyal on Jan 9, 2009 11:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

damn, the Royals can't risk exposing him to waivers!

so long, Mike Aviles!

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by devil_fingers on Jan 9, 2009 11:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

4 bench player

Olivo, Teahen, Shealy and Bloomquist with 12 pitcher

Hope German and Pena are gone also

by Jeff Zimmerman (TucsonRoyal) on Jan 9, 2009 11:15 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

One more thing Moore could do to really piss me off...

Get rid of Shealy (who is out of options) and keep Gload. I don’t know that this is likely, but it is definitely possible. Teahen could be the mostly regular 1B, with Gload backing him up and Jacobs and Butler sharing time at DH. That would really be the cherry on top of this horrendous offseason.

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by NYRoyal on Jan 9, 2009 11:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Teahen to first

yeah, making him the new Gload, and then still having the original, would be the nightmare scenario

I’ll shut up now, since every time, since the last game of the season, we’ve joked about a “nightmare scenario,” it’s come true

ah, for the days of bickering over whether $750,000 or $1M would be appropriate or Farnsworth

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by devil_fingers on Jan 9, 2009 11:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

read my first comment in this thread

this is all RR’s fault for making predictions

Ithink he needs to go on an “Alex Gordon will mock my pessisism by hitting .277/.380/.503” kick for a couple of weeks

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by devil_fingers on Jan 9, 2009 11:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Went back a few days to the Hairston thread...kinda funny, huh?
one step closer to Bloomquist
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by devil_fingers on Jan 7, 2009 11:46 AM CST reply actions 1 recs

 Moore is going to sign every overpaid, crappy middle IFer in baseball!!!!! Boy January really is the season of over-whining. Why is it that Royals fans aren’t content with whining about what actually is? Isn’t there enough of that to whine about? Must we also whine about what may happen in the future?
[btw, this wasn’t a response to Collin’s post, per se. It’s more of a response to the general assumption that if there’s a stupid move to be made, then Moore is going to make it. His roughly average GM performance over his tenure certainly doesn’t warrant that kind of knee-jerk hyperbole]
by NYRoyal on Jan 7, 2009 12:53 PM CST reply actions 1 recs

 We’ve already whined about what there is We’ve moved on!
by RoyalsRetro on Jan 7, 2009 1:27 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
 
Pollyanna’s back! Just screwin with ya.
I’ll defend those people who may need to vent frustration with Farns, Guillen, etc. signings.
I might also argue that it’s not as much a reflection on GMDM, rather the recent (if you can call 24 years recent) history of the Royals in general.
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 Then I would suggest that the fans actually speak to the issues of the Farns, Guillen, etc. signings I mean, if fans are pissed about the Farns, Guillen, etc. signings (and they certainly should be and I certainly am), then let’s post about that, comment on it, talk about and bitch to our hearts content. I’ve done it. Most of us have. If someone hasn’t had their fill, then they should feel free to do even more of it. And I know that complaining about potential Hairston/Eckstein/Bloomquist signings is about that, but how silly is it to talk about how stupid Moore is for pursuing those players when we don’t even know if we is. What we know at this point is that Crasnick is speculating that he things Moore might or could have an interest in them, or that Crasnick thinks they’d be a good fit for the Royals (he wasn’t exactly clear).

Again, I contend that bashing Moore or the organization or the current state of the Royals is fair. But shouldn’t those criticisms be directed at what has actually been done, and what the Royals actually are, rather than complaining about unsourced rumors as if they were reality? Again, there’s no shortage of reality to complain about. We don’t need to get into complaining about fantasy as well.

Let's Go Blues!

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I still think it is a wise idea to wait until the GM does something stupid to bash him for doing it

Again there’s a lot of reality to complain about. We don’t need to bash him for rumors. We can just wait until some of them come true.

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by NYRoyal on Jan 10, 2009 12:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't get all the hate for German in favor of Willie Freaking BLoomquist

a guy whose glove MIGHT make him better than German, but who has a guaranteed contract for two years, whereas German can be let go for a small portion of his salary

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by devil_fingers on Jan 9, 2009 11:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Another good point I forgot about

Callaspo sucks at SS, but he’s not THAT much worse than Bloomquist in a pinch. usual qualifications aside, CHONE has Bloomquist at -5 SS, Callaspo at -8. Yes, that sucks, but Callaspo more than makes up the difference with his bat.

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by devil_fingers on Jan 9, 2009 11:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I would bet my first born that German will be traded by opening day for a PTBNL

And that player will end up being either a toolsy player too old for the low minors where he’s been for the last 3 years, or something like $50-100K.

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by NYRoyal on Jan 9, 2009 11:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He's too expensive for the Marlins

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by devil_fingers on Jan 9, 2009 11:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Great

So now we’re stuck with Bloomquist as our starting 2B if Callapso decides to get crunk and drive drunk again. Couple that with the fact that we have no depth at 2B in the minors, and you’ve got a spicy meatball if anything happens to CallAApso.

Banny being Banny.

by JobDDT on Jan 10, 2009 12:04 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

What about Johnny G?

Is he High A, or are they jumping him straight to AA?

by AxDxMx on Jan 10, 2009 12:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yes that is another aspect of Dayton's winter of failure

Either are system is still so terrible it can’t producec low cost replacement level filler, or Dayton doesn’t see that it can. Either is pretty lame.

by royalsreview on Jan 10, 2009 12:33 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The minor league system

It is weak at the top (AAA) and very strong from the rookie level through AA. So right now the Royals are short on replacement level filler, but won’t be for long. You have to give Moore credit for rebuilding the minor league system into a pretty good one. But unless you have good, established major leaguers to trade, you aren’t going to be able to restock your AAA team with good prospects; you have to restock primarily from the bottom.

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by NYRoyal on Jan 10, 2009 12:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Pretty sure I've been saying something like this this for a long time now, but HEEEERRRRRE's Dave Cameron
Dayton Moore came from Atlanta with a strong record of player development. He’s going to have be a Hall of Fame caliber GM at cultivating talent from within his own organization to overcome what can only be described as a devastatingly poor ability to evaluate major league players.

Perfect title, too.

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by devil_fingers on Jan 10, 2009 1:21 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Do I get credit for writing essentially the same article here at RR?

Does that make me as good as Cameron? Can I accuse him of plagiarism?

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by NYRoyal on Jan 10, 2009 3:04 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

he’s not even a university grad. Maybe we can get control of fangraphs and turn it into “firedmgmandusethesavingstogetdepomglwithjopoasteampresidentdotcom”

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by devil_fingers on Jan 10, 2009 11:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Just trying to find a reason for this

I am so less excited for the 2009 season than I was a couple months ago. What was supposed to be a cathartic experience has just gotten worse and worse.

I just dont get it.

by wildthang on Jan 10, 2009 2:57 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I can't believe that I still have to watch him play ball

I was so happy when Bavasi left Seattle, then Willie B. I thought I’d never have to endure it again. I watch Royals games, then flip on the Mariners every night for the last 4 or 5 frames of their game.

Bloomquist sucks, and I almost vomited, then I really did kind of laughingly cry while my wife held my head for a few.

I hope Alberto Callaspo has a kick ass spring. If he gets any at bats.

Waiting for a 90+ win season

by RoyalsFanInMarinerTown on Jan 10, 2009 3:07 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

(sigh)

What the fuck, Dayton?

Stathead, Zack Greinke fan, and Rock Band 2 singer extraordinaire.

by NHZ on Jan 10, 2009 9:30 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

YES!

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by devil_fingers on Jan 10, 2009 11:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I suppose this is a clearing house for Slick Willie stuff?
Bloomquist by himself is a baffling acquisition, but nothing to lose sleep over. Bloomquist on top of Mike Jacobs on top of Kyle Farnsworth on top of H. Ramirez, on the other hand…well, that’s a lot of straw, and the camel’s back is getting pretty tired.

Not sure who this blogger is, but I will say this: I don’t like women, and I don’t think they belong in the blog business.

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by devil_fingers on Jan 10, 2009 12:33 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

+1

Should be in the kitchen.

by Warden11 on Jan 10, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm getting really depressed by this off-season

Stathead, Zack Greinke fan, and Rock Band 2 singer extraordinaire.

by NHZ on Jan 10, 2009 1:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Man this move makes me ready for the season.

I can’t wait to checkout Kila, Cortes and Stodolka in Omaha this year maybe even BamBam to start the season. I’m heading down to checkout Paulo, DRob, Bianchi down in Arkansas as well as checking out Aaron Crow and Tanner Scheppers when they come to Lincoln to play the Salt Dogs. I may even drive to Iowa City to checkout Josh Phegley from the Indiana Hoosiers and as always checking out a few Creighton games and CWS games.

Woowoo baseball is coming !!!

It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird.

by kcscoliny on Jan 10, 2009 3:25 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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