Fascinating Quote Regarding AAA, Implications Regarding Never-Ending Gordon Debate?
From Goldstein's chat today:
newsense (DC): What is the role of AAA in player development? It seems pretty clear that AA is used for player development while AAA is for spare parts but AAA is also a place where many players have at least one MLBplus level skill that could reveal a hole in a prospect's game.
Kevin Goldstein: AAA can be a great place for young hitters, as so many of those 'extra guys' who pitch at that level are there because they have good breaking stuff, but don't throw hard, so it can be a really good learning level for a prospect who needs to work on pitch identification.
- Alex Gordon plate appearances in AAA prior to 2009: 0
- Billy Butler plate appearances in AAA prior to 2009: 371
I know that's actually a pretty irresponsible use of stats. Give three of us five minutes each on the internet and we'll each find six guys who failed/succeeded without/with AAA time. I don't want to give the impression that some major component of Alex's struggles have been due to a lack of AAA time. (Actually, I'm in the camp that wants to deemphasize the idea that he's been a failure/bust/ball of suck altogether.) You can certainly point out that a player can also learn at the MLB level, though there seems to be an industry-wide consensus that its a different kind of learning.
I don't think a month in AAA in 2007 would have turned Alex into Evan Longoria, and it certainly wouldn't have prevented him from being injured this season. But I do think that it would have helped, helped in a specific way that we all can recognize.
The seeds of the frustrating 2009 and the not-fully-satisfying 2008 for Alex Gordon were sown in 2007. I think.
There's a larger issue here, and that is the weirdness of AAA in contemporary baseball. The Royals need to find a way to make AAA work for them, either as a place to stash extra bench type players, or as a place were players develop. They've managed to stash an occasionally helpful pitcher there, but not many. Maybe Kila is learning right now. I hope so.
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There Hasn't Been
Much development going on in Omaha in the last few years. The rest of the 40-man has been mostly 4A types and reclamation projects along with the organizational filler every franchise needs to field a team. While some of this is necessary, it would be nice to see some players who might be really good waiting for their shots in the big leagues up there. Maier and Rosa are the best I can think of off the top of my head.
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by philofthenorth on Oct 10, 2009 2:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's certainly something that is worth considering
maybe it’s player-specific, but maybe a guy like Gordon, where everything has come easy for him up to this point, could have used a more gradual approach. who knows? but, it is somewhat encouraging that he was hitting better after he came back.
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Oct 10, 2009 8:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A season in AAA would not have hurt him
Just my own thoughts but the jump from AA to the majors would be easier for a pitcher than a hitter. The stats regarding Butler vs. Gordon are interesting and I think there’s a correlation between their experience at that level and current production. I’ve never been an advocate of hitters skipping a level. Even a month or two in Omaha on the way wouldn’t hurt. If they jump to AAA and can hit there then it justifies the callup to the majors.
by stram#1 on Oct 10, 2009 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so you think that Hosmer should go back to Burlington?
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by 306008 on Oct 10, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why not?
He didn’t earn his promotion, and he did even worse after he was promoted. Quite clearly he isn’t ready for Hi-A yet.
by kcbottom9th on Oct 10, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree...
Hosmer needs to go back to Burlington and prove he can hit then maybe move to Wilmington. By no means should he move to AA. Even Mouse might be better off he started in Wilmington again. They are both very young and by their numbers could use a little more time.
by grudz96 on Oct 11, 2009 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm saying I don't like guys skipping AAA
the difference between the lower levels is not as drastic, but skipping from AA to the majors is not the right thing to do in my mind. For years they have rushed guys from AA to the majors that were not ready and they suffered as a result. Even a month or two at AAA would pay dividends down the line.
by stram#1 on Oct 10, 2009 11:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Haven't you heard?
Kila has “slider bat speed” according to the organization, so THAT’S the only reason for his AAA success.
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by loyal2sdad on Oct 13, 2009 11:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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