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If Player X isn’t part of The Plan, why not trade him (when his value is decent)?

(Note: the first sentence of this post originally said: “I’ll make this brief.”  Yeah, I redacted that). 

Player X most obviously represents Kila Ka’aihue, but you may think of others to plug into that sentence.  The Royals have actually done a decent job of moving players that don’t have futures (in their eyes) in KC—J.P. Howell, Ambiorix Burgos, Billy Buckner, Jorge De la Rosa, Danny Cortes, and __ Gutierrez (I only know minor leaguers not discussed often by Baseball America by their last names.  I’m like a high school gym coach).  It’s important to note that “decent job” here refers only to taking action.  The results of said action—and the soundness of the reasoning behind it—are an entirely different conversation that has to do with judgment (good vs. bad vs. ugly).  As those topics are well covered here at TDERR (The Discerning Eye of Royals Review), I decided it was worth a fanpost to just make, or perhaps reiterate, the obvious point mentioned in the title.


Star-divide

Who am I kidding, this is a Kila Ka’aihue post, 100%.  It was obvious last offseason the Royals didn’t believe Kila was good enough for the major league team when they traded away the 8th inning for Jacobs.  I mean they made a big show of obtaining Jacobs and talked up his power and insinuated that he was a big part of the Royals’ future.  A few of us irrationally hopeful fans held out hope that Jacobs was an experiment and that Hawaiian Punch had a shot to be in the bigs by mid-summer (the fact that this didn’t happen was the final straw that cryogenically froze Rany’s Royals fandom.  It pushed him over the edge.  He’s on a leather couch somewhere, staring at the ceiling, smoking cigarettes and talking about his infancy).  The Irrational Fan Assumption was this:  “The Royals want Kila to prove what he did last year, so they’re obtaining Jacobs as a hedge.  It’s obvious to us (irrational fans) that Kila will show he’s a monster in short order, and the Royals will move Jacobs aside because they like to waste money.”  

 

The Royals Front Office Assumption* had two main points: Point 1: “We’re skeptical he’s any good.  Can’t hit the fastball.  Not betting on him, get Jacobs.”  Point 2: “Let’s keep him around though, just in case he does indeed turn out to be a monster, and also because moving him would be a big P.R. mistake since he’s known for his excellent OBP and Jacobs is known specifically for his horrible OBP and trading Kila would turn the Jacobs acquisition into a blatant swap: Jacobs for Kila.  Such a blatant swap would be a horrible P.R. move because Dayton JUST finished telling Joe Posnanski in an interview that the Royals HIGHLY value OBP, and the swap would FLAGRANTLY undermine that statement because, again, Kila is so widely known for his OBP skills he might as well become the face of the OBP movement (on posters and everything) while Jacobs, more than ANY other player in all of baseball, is the very antithesis of OBP.  He’s the anti-OBP.  If there were ever an Ultimate Fighting OBP showdown, Kila Ka’aihue and Mike Jacobs would be staring at each other on the billboard.  And by trading Kila, we would be making the explicit statement: WE’RE TAKING MIKE JACOBS IN THE ULTIMATE FIGHTING OBP SHOWDOWN.  WE’RE BETTING ON THE ANTI-OBP.  IN THE HIERARCHY OF QUALITIES WE LOOK FOR IN PLAYERS, OBP IS CLEARLY BELOW WHATEVER IT IS WE SEE IN JACOBS, (okay, I can stop using caps now) despite what Dayton just told Joe Posnanski a few days ago.”

 

*Question: If you multiply the Royals Front Office Assumption by the Irrational Fan Assumption do you get reality?  Such that: RFOA x IFA = Reality. 

 

All of that has been covered ad nauseum.  But here’s the reason for my post, my ‘point’ if you will:  If they believed Point 1, which they clearly did, why not trade Kila after his monster 2008 season?  Credit where credit is due, Moore had already worked wonders in this very scenario: Ambiorix Burgos was very highly valued around the league for his explosive arm.  Moore thought the arm was fools gold and so he turned Burgos into Bannister.  If he thought Kila was fools gold, why not turn Kila into ________? (You know the correct name for the blank is Yuni Betancourt, you know that’s true, and we got him anyway, so hey, win-win!).  Unfortunately, Kila’s value, league-wide, is probably now less than half of what it was last offseason.  So my more general question is, if you have a guy who you think is playing over his head, why not trade him immediately?  I mean immediately.  This is the classic fantasy baseball axiom.  I think perhaps I already voiced the Royals answer to the question in Point 2.  Would have been bad P.R.

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i think there is a healthier trade market for arms

which is dumb, but that’s the reality

a non-hyped prospect like Kila has to hit incredibly well for a long time to generate interest

by royalsreview on Oct 15, 2009 4:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

he also sucks at free agent signings, so looks like

re-signing Baird’s guys and drafting players is all we’ve got left (except maybe signing under-rated relief pitchers)

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by benfunke on Oct 15, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think the answer is: - Reality

i * i = – 1

(the font goblins are messing with my formula — imaginary number times imaginary number equals negative one)

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by benfunke on Oct 15, 2009 6:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

what is the square root of negative one?

to be honest I’ve forgotten more of calc/precalc/trig than i remember. And after a bunch of classes in h.s. and college to be an engineer, america is probably counting on me to remember something if I can be a above replacement level engineer.

At least Wally Joyner's not on the team....

by tcon125 on Oct 15, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

luckily for most of us

imaginary numbers and the square roots of negative numbers don’t come up in real world situations very often — apparently only when you’re dealing with the Royals.

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by benfunke on Oct 16, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe I'm overvaluing Kila's 08 season

But a 24 year old coming off a monster season with good peripherals ought to fetch something, no? At least a bad shortstop? a 26 year-old coming off a blah minor league season doesn’t really get you much, and now he remains in purgatory. I guess I’m just saying that if you think other teams value your players higher than you do, move ’em.

*You think I'm good* "You know, that Farnsworth is pretty good." *You will give me 9 million dollars* "So, Farnsy, how does $9 million sound?"

by jackie ballgame on Oct 15, 2009 11:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Completely agree with your post jackie.

I think Kila had a bit of value last year, and now he has little other than a PTBNL. Just as maddening is DMGM’s habit of dumping players at their lowest value point.(Cortez & Gutierrez)

by hunter s. royal on Oct 16, 2009 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think

The market for these kinds of guys isn’t that great. You see lots of em floating around, mashing in AAA, never getting a chance. Occasionally one will like Jack Cust or Garrett Jones, and they show everyone why they should have gotten a chance a long time ago. But for whatever reason, if you’re a 1B that can mash and you don’t fit a certain scout profile, you’re probably headed towards the Justin Huber career path.

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by RoyalsRetro on Oct 16, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Dayton had dumped Kila for Yuni

I don’t think any of us would be talking on this site anymore. Royals fandom would have been destroyed in one fell swoop.

by AxDxMx on Oct 16, 2009 9:17 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Before the season

I think one could make an argument that Cortes was more valuable, or at least as valuable, as Kila

but prospect hounds can correct me

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by devil_fingers on Oct 16, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i agree

kila doesnt piss on fences though

Fire Everyone

by billybeingbilly on Oct 16, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would agree with that statement too

But Kila has sort of morphed into the poster boy for what’s wrong with this organization and they would have been trading away potential power and OBP for an OBP sinkhole and the worst glove in MLB at SS. That’s even more dramatic than Cortes I think. Cortes has potential, but the trade pissed me off more because it was for somebody that sucked. You don’t give up prospects for someone who sucks. Cortes may or may not pan out, but it still wasn’t worth trading him for it, and Kila would have been just one more step over the line for me.

by AxDxMx on Oct 17, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

His value may have decreased,

but I STILL think he could have exceeded Jacob’s production, at one eight the cost, and without having to give up Nunez to boot.

Classic stats vs scouts debate on this one; Dayton’s scouts have irrevocably concluded that Kila has “slider bat speed”, so that’s all there is to it.

I’m rooting for him to eventually land with a division rival, and perform well enough to cost us a division title in the future. (OK, I’m not really rooting for that – let’s just say a small part of me would smile if that were to happen, at least after the pain subsided)

Mr Glass, this is a pro sports team, not a retail store - run it like one!

by loyal2sdad on Oct 16, 2009 10:44 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

it's a weird argument to make, I realize

I mean, it’s not like I ever wanted them to trade Kila. None of us do/ever did. I find myself arguing they should trade a guy I don’t want them to trade. But again, the point is not how good or bad we think Kila is, it’s how good or bad the Royals front office thinks Kila is. Who knows, maybe they still have plans for him.

*You think I'm good* "You know, that Farnsworth is pretty good." *You will give me 9 million dollars* "So, Farnsy, how does $9 million sound?"

by jackie ballgame on Oct 17, 2009 1:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Who knows, maybe they still have plans for him.

Trade him to the Padres for $50 in two years

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by devil_fingers on Oct 17, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kila And Huber

Will be the 1B platoon for the Ham Fighters next year.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Oct 17, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was Trey's plan all along

He’s going back to the Nippon Ham Fighters with American prospects! Trey will be gone after this year!!!

by AxDxMx on Oct 17, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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