2010 Starters/Relievers: Surprise, Surprise - not much changes
As it stands, here are the pitchers for 2010. The analysis was to look at who remains, can we jettison some dead weight, and are there any holes to be filled. (Obviously there are some holes to be filled, just hopefully not by the likes of Sidney Ponson or Lamey Wrong.) --Salaries adapted from Cot's, with some estimations made (nothing crazy).
| Starters / tRA / 2010 Salary |
| 1. 1 Z. Greinke / 2.35 / 7.25 |
| 2. 2 G. Meche / 5.4 / 12 |
| 3. 3 B. Bannister / 4.13 / Arb3 2.5 |
| 4. 4 R. Tejeda / 3.37 / Arb2 2 |
| 5. 5/LR L. Hochevar / 5.42 / Arb 1.5 2009 |
| 6. 5/LR K. Davies / 5.91 / Arb3 2 |
| Bullpen |
| 7. CL J. Soria / 2.88 / 3 |
| 8. 8 K. Farnsworth / 3 / 4.5 |
| 9. 8 J. Cruz / 5.8 / 3.25 |
| 10. 7 C. Rosa / 4.78 / 0.5 ? |
| 11. 7 J. Wright / 5.2 / FA 1 |
| 12. 6 D. Hughes / 4.63 / 0.5 ? |
| 13. LR B. Chen / 6.035 / FA 0.75 |
| AAA |
| 14. A. Crow / N/A / 1.5 |
| 15. J. Bannister / N/A / 0.5 ? |
| 16. L. DiNardo / 6.37 / FA 0.75 |
| 17. V. Marte / 7.28 / 0.5 ? |
| 18. A. Lerew / 8.43 / 0.5 ? |
| 19. D. Lowery / N/A / 0.5 ? |
| Release/DFA |
| 20. J. Bale / 5.12 / Arb3 1.5 |
| 21. R. Colon / 5.29 / FA 0.6 |
| 22. H. Ramirez / 5.87 / ? |
| 23. S. Ponson / 5.13 / ? |
| 24. D. Waechter / 9.3 / Arb3 0.75 |
| 25. Y. Yabuta / 8.57 / 0.5 buyout |
Starters $27M - I think the general consensus is that this group's not too shabby. My guess is that, unless one or more gets traded, we have Greinke, Meche, Bannister 1-2-3, with Tejeda, Hochevar, Davies battling for 4-5. My hope is that the odd man out goes to the 'pen, at the very least to be one of the long relievers/spot starters. I don't see a lot of holes to fill, and with some young arms coming up, the guys at the back-end of the rotation get a chance to prove themselves (before they get usurped by Crow et al). I was a bit surprised at how Meche's $12M stands out next to the other guys--it's been discussed before, but again I wonder if the pending old-age-decline means we should be looking to move him (I'm a fan of Meche in general, but he just might not be the cheap option the Royals need).
Relievers $14M - Since the starters are pretty much set, this is what I really wanted to get in to. Seems like Soria, Farnsworth, and Cruz are locks and will be the high-leverage portion of the pen (for better or worse), unless Cruz doesn't rebound or unless Tejeda doesn't make the starting rotation. I'm being a bit optimistic here in penciling Rosa into the pen, rather than a holdover such as Bale - he's cheaper and he has some upside. Same goes for Hughes, although this actually happening seems a bit less likely.
Now for the dead-weight portion. Wright is my presumptive middle-relief holdover, and this seems like an opportunity to get a young arm into the pen as a replacement. While I'm mostly OK with having Wright begin the season and eventually replacing Wright/Rosa/Hughes (whoever isn't getting it done) with an up-and-comer (Crow, Lowery, etc.), this means spending about $1M to sign Wright when he's essentially used as a space-filler. I'd really rather see DiNardo/Marte/Lerew/Lowery/cheap FA in Wright's spot to start the season, but that would be ignoring the love-fest between Treyton HillMoore and Lamey Wrong, so I'm not really holding out hope. For the last spot, which I would figure to be a long reliever, there aren't any sure-thing options. Chen seems like a good fit since he's cheap, can be a spot starter, and doesn't totally suck, but he's a +30-year-old space-filler. Rather see a younger guy get a chance to fill in there, but until Crow's ready, there aren't guys (besides DiNardo, also 30) who can be spot starters. So someone like Marte or Lerew or John Bannister could be there instead of Chen (or dare I suggest Chris Hayes), but it doesn't seem like this roster spot is going to make or break the 'pen.
All-in-all, not a lot has changed. Some starting pitchers need to show improved consistency, and the bullpen's fate rests on young arms and the Professor (and Juan Cruz needs to remember that he's actually supposed to be good). While the bullpen wasn't good was terrible last season, at least it wasn't expensive, and if (when) Farnsworth doesn't pan out (though he did have a good tRA/FIB this season), there's another $4 or 5 M to reinvest in young arms for the 'pen. Personally, I'd like to see Hoch and Crow throw out of the 'pen to some extent this season, mostly from a development standpoint since they would experience a different manner of approaching pitching (to shake things up for Hochevar and to ease Crow into the majors). The salaries seem about right for an $80M payroll team, with just over half being spent on pitching, though I could also see a higher percentage going to the bullpen in the coming seasons.
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Signing a starter would make sense to me.
If you have Greinke, Meche, Bannister, add a fourth (Bedard? I don’t know who.) and make Tejeda your fifth. Davies and Hoch can go to the pen (I really think Hoch would thrive there and Davies would at least be better than the gas cans we trotted out last year).
A legit third/fourth starter would also mitigate the pressure to bring crow up too early and allow us to have some depth that we really need. I don’t know, I wanted us to trade for Eric Byrnes too…
and there are some bigger problems than the starting rotation
such as 6 of our 9 hitters (everyone besides Bultler, DeJesus, and Callaspo), where money could be spent
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I would agree, but...
The kind of offense we need won’t likely be available to us in free agency. We probably only have 5m to spend (if that) and we might be better off keeping the guys we got for that kind of money (but not by much). To me, replacing Hoch with an average starter and then replacing Mahay/Bale/Walking Disaster with Hoch is a pretty big swing.
that's a good point,
and the only thing i can think of that’s a better improvement via hitting/defense would be to apply that money to buying out Guillen’s contract, but we all know that is a pipe dream….
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The most important change is put a decent defense together
and then keep Hochevar as a starter, or at least give him every opportunity as a starter. He was terribly unlucky last year with both BABIP (326 BABIP v. 17.6% LD rate) and HR/FB (13.8%). The lousy defense helps explain the BABIP problem. We all know these tend to regress (BABIP to around 300 and HR/FB to 10-11%). With those changes, Hochevar is suddenly a decent back end starter.
Without a major overhaul,
What could we do to this team defensively? I guess Callaspo to third and Gordon to first (would that really help?). Or maybe Teahen to first, Aviles to second, Callaspo to LF and DeJesus to CF/RF? Would that offer any significant improvement?
Aviles at 2nd or SS would help. The problem is that Yuni and Bert would have to play and are horrible
Also getting Guillen and Blomquist out of the OF would be an improvement.
Truthfully, I see no way for any real improvement in 2010 given Dayton’s track record (100 loss season again) and I am actually looking towards 2011 for any chance at .500
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by Jeff Zimmerman on Oct 21, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Defense is still undervalued, so a team does not need to spend much on adding it
Dump Betancourt and Guillen (or at least getting him out of the OF) are the obvious solutions. Teahen has been lousy with the glove lately, so Gordon back at 3B and adding a competent RF would help a lot too. Make defense a priority in finding the new CF. And catcher too.
its gonna be very hard to have a good defense
too many terrible defenders locked in to their positions
I agree
Jose is in lineup until he gets hurt. Yuni will be playing since he is our big upgrade at SS. Just not many chances for changes without releasing dead weight and I am afraid that he is afraid to be seen as throwing Glass’s money away.
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by Jeff Zimmerman on Oct 21, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Guiilen to DH
CF RF and C are open. Target players with defensive value — who also should come cheaper. When Hoch pitches, play the backups at 2B and SS. Even an average defense will make a noticeable difference.
by Gopherballs on Oct 21, 2009 5:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
MITCH seems like a good enough value as a defender in CF?
even RF, although there’s little chance his bat plays there
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My defense is burning and the only remedy is ENDY!!! now!
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Oct 21, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
dejesus' arm in RF would be high comedy
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by billybeingbilly on Oct 21, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
why the shot at Jamey Wright?
i’m by no means a fan, but he was essentially forced into late inning duty because Cruz sucked hard. he’s actually a fine 6th bullpen guy/spot starter for relatively cheap. he shouldn’t be given a spot next year, but bringing him to spring training would be a good idea.
baseball rules.
i just think that he's an average reliever at best, but makes more than
the typical AAA call-up would and doesn’t have any upside.
he’s certainly not the problem, though, and it’s not his fault that he was overworked and over-valued by Trey/Dayton.
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He's a pretty good groundball pitcher too
but with our defense, that’s as bad as being an extreme flyball pitcher.
Two comments
I understand your sentiment in wondering about trading Meche – but I don’t think that would be feasable until midseason, and only then if he reestablishes himself. Yet one more reason to explain the maddest I was during the maddening season that was 2009. The maddest I was occured in the 9th inning of the infamous 132 pitch game. Pure senselessness, and the Royals are STILL paying for it today, as Meche’s trade value is at an all time low, IMHO. Until he shows otherwise, he is damaged goods.
The whole bullpen issue: You are totally correct in pining for cheap minor leaguers to fill in the gaps of what we are already commited to in the pen – but, once again, the system is SO BARREN that finding several capable, or even average, bullpen arms from within the system is simply not possible at this time. The organization is probably about 2 years away from being able to supply this sort of support to the big league club.
Mr Glass, this is a pro sports team, not a retail store - run it like one!
In reading my post, I keep coming back to this:
I wish they would acknowledge the past sins of ownership, then acknowledge that the farm system will not be totally rebuilt until 2012 or 2013, then acknowledge that they will lose until then no matter what, then conclude that they will not be wasting payroll money until that time, in an attempt to make a “leap” in payroll at the right time, spending the extra $50-$100 million they saved during 2007-2011, in an attempt to try to contend in a “window” of opportunity.
Hell, it might suck hearing them say they are gonna suck for a few more years – but at least this would be a “process” that had some semblance of logic attached to it (not to mention truthfulness)
Mr Glass, this is a pro sports team, not a retail store - run it like one!
agree about the payroll and trading Meche
i see trading Meche as a consideration down the road. sometime in Arpil/May a contender loses a SP for the season and needs a replacement, while Mitch has a decent start to the season, for instance.
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also agree about the lack of acknowledgement of mistakes, but that is a common problem
and it’s easier to admit your mistakes when you have some previous successes to back you up.
and i don’t think any team can admit up front that they’re going to lose for an extended period of time (even if they claim that there’s an end of the rainbow). a better approach (not different from what you’re saying, just a slight tweak) would be to say that their plan of attack for the near future is to try to “win smart” by taking low-risk gambles on cheaper players while they build the entire franchise back up to where it needs to be, with the savings now being spent later (as you said).
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i think Greinke may change everything
the FO may feel pressure not to waste him, hence continung efforts to sorta win now
at least that would be a legitimate reason
i’m not sure i’m willing to give them credit for that (though they did make some promises when he agreed to sign)
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that's a really good point
Mr Glass, this is a pro sports team, not a retail store - run it like one!
that's how i've been for a couple years...
we shouldnt be signing even semi big contracts for guys who will not contribute in 2011 or 2012…we should be going nuts in the draft and IFA
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by billybeingbilly on Oct 21, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
my "plan"
would be to sign Kearns or a similar good defensive player for relatively cheap to play RF, sign one maybe two starters (like Escobar and one other, there seem to be a surplus of starters out there) and put Davies AND Hochevar in the bullpen.
Get rid of Teahen, Jacobs, and Buck or Olivo, make Guillen the primary DH with Kila slotting in against some RH. If we get something out of Guillen, great and we try to trade him mid-season. If he sucks, dump him and make Kila the primary DH.
Hope that Meche returns to form and trade him mid-season if possible. Live with Betancourt at SS until Aviles comes back and hope he gives us some production.
LF DeJesus
SS Aviles
1B Butler
DH Guillen
2B Callaspo
3B Gordon
RF Kearns
C Olivo/Pena
CF Maier
SP Greinke
SP Meche
SP Escobar
SP Bannister
SP Tejeda/TBD
CL Soria
SU Rosa
SU Farnsworth
RP Davies
RP Hochevar
RP Colon
RP Hughes/Marte/TBD
U Bloomquist
C Olivo/Pena
OF Lubanski/Parraz/TBD
DH Kaaihue
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Oct 21, 2009 10:16 PM EDT reply actions
D'oh
forgot Cruz in the bully. So I guess take out Marte/Hughes/TBD, move Cruz to SU and drop professor fartsworh to RP
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Oct 22, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
probably would also have to get rid of somebody
when aviles comes back. probably be kaaihue unless DM nuts up and releases one of his mistakes.
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Oct 22, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I was think about my title for the post, and that it may be too harsh
Because if Rosa and Hughes really are in the bullpen to start the year, with another arm (AAA/Crow) to be added during the season, then that is actually trying to build towards the future. Of course for now we are stuck with Farnsworth, Bad Cruz, and a couple of miscellaneous journeyman relievers (Bale, Chen, DiNardo, Waechter, etc.), so maybe it’s not entirely off base.
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I guarantee DM brings in a couple of cheap vet FAs for the pen
Who will promptly suck.
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I hope, hope, hope, hope, hope, hope, hope, hope, hope, hope that
he’s learned his lesson:
young, inexpensive bullpen arms such as Ramon Ramirez = good idea
older, more expensive bullpen arms such as (well, you know who they are) = bad, bad, bad idea (especially when they have a multi-year contract)
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