Zack Greinke Trade Completed???
by focs on Oct 25, 2009 12:37 AM EDT
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From 'Brew Crew Ball' SB nation site:
Rambling Al stumbled upon a great Zack Greinke rumor. Apparently, Zack is practically a Brewer right now, having been traded for JJ Hardy, Mat Gamel, Angel Salome, and Manny Parra. The Brewers and Royals are just waiting for the WS to end before it can go through.
Needless to say, this is unsubstantiated. I'm wondering where the Badger Blogger is on this story, though. Covering the Zack Greinke trade rumors the way the Zack Greinke trade rumors fear!
Surely this isn't true. This is absolutely crazy. I would think it would take a lot more than that shitty package. What do you guys think?
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It's bad enough for people to make stuff up
They were at almost completed and you took it a notch further to actually completed.
They'd have to take Guillen and Yuni too.
If they trade Zack, there will be riots in the streets. I will personally riot in the streets.
Would KC make this trade if the Brewers agreed to take Guillen?
Taking Guillen would be taking $13 million off the books which could be the same as adding 2 more players.
I would obviously hate to see Greinke go
and I hope this isn’t true…but is there any idea of what an objective analysis of the relative value of this trade would be?
the two most recent examples I can think of are CC and Cliff Lee, with Lee being more similar because he wasn’t in a contract year.
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Oct 25, 2009 12:13 PM EDT reply actions
It would have to be a lot more cause Zack is so young with such a favorable contract.
To be honest, I doubt there’s a team in baseball that have the quality/bulk/areas of need-type of prospects to justify trading Zack.
Almighty Red Sox
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take Guillen and I’m sol
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by playingwithfire on Oct 26, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Allard Baird was rumored
to be preparing a massive Greinke offer before we extended him. We would be smart to talk to the RedSawks as they’ll lure him in free agency anyway.
Greinke is honest to a fault most times
And he says he only wants to pitch in KC. I believe him. As long as he’s getting close to fair value on his contracts, I think he’ll stay here, as he won’t have to deal with stuff that he doesn’t like (mostly attention from millions more people). Unless KC is horrible for the next 2 years, I see this being the most likely course of action.
I really hope your right
Zack would own KC if that were true. He’s crossed over demographics in a way I’ve never seen in a local athlete.
if i remember right
he said the only reason he signed the extension was because he thought the Royals were going in the right direction to be competitive, if they arent competitive at the end of his extension i dont think he will stay, but i dont think he goes to a big market team, because he doesnt want the media attention
Pujols takes out "I" in BIG and "A" in MAC, previously considered to be an unyielding, consonant threat
To somewhere like Milwaukee
Ironically.
Who knows. If the Royals are still bottom bumping in 4 years he probably should get out of town. A pitcher of his talent deserves to be on the post-season stage.
or god forbid...
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by billybeingbilly on Oct 28, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry to be so cynical here....
But these Brewers fans need to stop obsessing over such lopsided hypothetical/fictional trade offers and pretending they are even remotely true.
IMO, in his offer, we would not land one above average player. Parra, IMO, has the greatest upside of the four. Salome and Gamel (and even Hardy, who was rushed) have/had really posted only one outstanding season apiece beyond rookie ball.
Without blinking, I still wouldn’t put this offer beyond Dayton’s contemplation, but….this hypothetical sucks.
Probably should read 'well above average player'
….not above average player.
by Royals Nation on Oct 25, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Still has an excellent chance of being completely wrong
but why get all worked up over nothing? How many years does Zack have left? I’m not sure its a fair deal for the Brewers but none of it matters. It’s like rosterbation threads that go on constantly. Anybody can be a writer at bleacher report. Anybody can make a fanpost. Anybody can go on in the comments at MLBTR or anywhere else.
Hell, the guy who made this post referred to the trade as completed. What the hell? That hasn’t been “reported” anywhere. Whoever is talking about Zack being traded is just as bad as the Royals fans who want 3 or 4 or more premium players back.
yep
it’s silly. not even worth getting worked up over. there might be like 2 or 3 teams that could actually put together a package that makes sense. even then, probably not happening.
baseball rules.
yeah...
Tampa Bay, Texas… who else? I can’t think of anyone.
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by Matt Klaassen on Oct 25, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
The Braves
Goes without saying. Anything from them is touched with greatness.
But seriously, i guess it depends what you want back. There are a few teams out there who between young major leaguers and minor leaguers could put together something respectable. If you only want prospects, that number drops.
by kcbottom9th on Oct 25, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know that I'd say Greinke should never be traded
If he could be traded for multiple good, young, cheap players/mlb-ready prospects, then I’d trade him. The Royals have many holes that need to be filled. If the Royals could pull off a trade that fills multiple holes with a good players who are under team control for years, then I’d do it.
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by Scott McKinney on Oct 25, 2009 11:10 PM EDT reply actions
agreed
as much as i’d hate to trade him, at some point we’ve got to improve the overall team. let’s hope that we’ve got some guys coming up that can help soon.
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Oct 25, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
i was about to say the same thing
BUT…
you’d have to get…what…at least 4 or 5 young players to make it even work? some of the young players/prospects will inevitably fail. you need at least 3 very good players to work out to make a deal fair. if TB came along and offered a package headlined by say — SP Price, SP Davis, CF Jennings, and something else (SS Brignac?), yeah you gotta think about it. but would they do that? go ask a Rays fan and they’d probably think that’s too much. i’d say it’s not enough because we have all the leverage, and someone will likely fail from that group.
baseball rules.
that's the point
there are fair trades, but teams would be loathe to make them
again, Longoria straight up would be fair, actually probably unfair to the Rays because of Longoria’s contract
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by Matt Klaassen on Oct 26, 2009 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, it would be hard to find another team willing to make a trade for Greinke which made sense for the Royals
Soria, on the other hand… It would be easy to find someone who would overpay for a great, young, cheap closer.
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by Scott McKinney on Oct 26, 2009 4:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm trying to think of which dumb GMs don't already have good closers and good prospects
or at least “good” in the case of K-Rod.
The Angels might be desperate due to their horrible bullpen situation. Reagins isn’t Dayton Moore dumb, by a long shot, though. I’m also not sure what players they’d have. They seem to have soured on Kendrick, who I still think is good, but he’s not enough by himself and I’m not sure what his service time situation is. They wouldn’t do Kendrick + Aybar, and I’m not sure what to think of Brandon Wood. Don’t know their system at all.
Do the Cubs have any good young players? Houston doesn’t.
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by Matt Klaassen on Oct 26, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think it even necessarily takes a dumb GM to pull of that kind of deal
The over-valuation of closers is still a widespread phenomenon among MLB GM’s. Any GM covetous of a shutdown closer (and one who is young, cheap and under team control for many years) would jump at the chance to get Soria and would likely give up a more valuable group of players than what he’d get in return.
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by Scott McKinney on Oct 27, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Nothing like trading a dollar and getting four dimes in return.
No way. No how. Not happening. Moving on.
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