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Offseason time

        Well it's off season time, and the royals have a lot of unanswered questions. Do I believe the royals can compete in 2010? Wow, i think it would be a long-shot, but because of how weak the division is going to be, i think we have a chance. The Indians are going through re building and are a ways away, the White Sox are aging quickly and have too many big contracts to be brought all back, the tigers have a descent rotation, but i believe they are on the downslope. The twins, on the other hand, should be a solid team. Their offense should be pretty legit, but they have a ton of needs in their starting rotation. Nick Blackburn as teams number 1 starter is screaming terrible starting pitching staff! With all that said, I'm still not completely convinced the Royals can compete. If they want to compete, they are going to have to do a few things.

1.      Starting pitching. Greinke needs help. I'm wasn't pleased with Gil's pitching last season, but i hoping he gets back to old self. But after that, the pitching staff is open. I loved how Tejeda pitched at the end of the season, but that really does not mean a whole lot. He is going to compete for a spot, but I'm not sure he is going to get it. Banny, Davies, and Hoch are also question marks. Hoch showed some signs he could be a descent 3rd starter in this league, so i want to keep him. Banny and Davies need to be shopped around. I don't know what we could get for them, but they need to go. A guy i would love to see us go after is a guy like Brad Penny. He really struggled in Boston, but he looked really good in San Fran. Hopefully, we could sign him for a low year amount, but i wouldn't give him any more than a 3 year deal. Another guy that would be solid would be Kelvim Escobar. Not a Number 1 guy, but a solid pitcher.

2.      Offense. We need bats!! I'm getting tired of Dayton getting all of these athletic outfielders with .230 batting averages. Their are guys out there we could get by trading Banny and/or Davies for. As much as i hate to say it, Teahan needs to be shopped around as well. He has good worth on the market because of how much he do. Before Coco was hurt, i liked what he was doing. By saying that, he needs to stay and remain the center fielder. Dejesus had a solid year once again, and he is a solid left fielder. The open need is right field. We need to get a big bat that can help Billy drive in runs. The other major question mark is second base. Callaspo is maybe the worst fielder of any of the starting second basemen in the majors. I liked what he did at the plate and he is a switch hitter, so he needs to stay and maybe be a DH if need be. Jose and Jacobs were terrible. i don't think they have much of any value, so if it were up to me, i would bite the bullet and release them. I would try to trade them though.

3.      Bullpen. The Royals don't have the money to go out and get a top guy in the bullpen, but there are plenty of solid players out there that won't make us go bankrupt. I would also even check in triple A to get a cheap, solid pitcher.

Projected Lineup(this is if we want to try and compete next year, which is not what Dayton is about. He is very future-oriented. So the chances of this happening are slim to none.)

1. Crisp CF                                                                  1. Greinke
2. Orlando Hudson 2B                                              2. Meche
3. Butler 1B                                                                  3. Kelvim Escobar
4. Josh Willingham RF                                              4. Hoch
5. Dejesus LF                                                              5. Tejeda
6. Gordon 3B
7. Callaspo DH
8. Pena C
9. Aviles SS

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The one thing that gets me to stop thinking about offseason moves, especially free agent signings, is that Dayton, and I have no reason to doubt him, says that no one wants to come here.
I was trying real hard to find the exact quote but I remember reading that you can desire a player all you want but if the player doesn’t want to sign here, for obvious reasons, not much you could do.

by Royal from Queens on Oct 31, 2009 11:38 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes to Kelvim Escobar, and not just a no

but a big HELL NO for Brad Penny. We’ll scrape by another year with Callaspo at 2nd and Yuni at SS if only because we have a healing Mike Aviles coming back that could play either position as the backup or takeover at 2nd (since Dayton loves Yuni). So really the only places on the field I could see change happening are CF, RF, and C.

by AxDxMx on Oct 31, 2009 1:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I would love to pick up Penny cheap.

His FIP this last season was 4.46, better than 5 normal Royal’s pitchers. Also, if he doesn’t make it as a starter, he can be moved to the pen, were he would have less of a work load thereby less chance of re-injury.

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by Jeff Zimmerman (TucsonRoyal) on Oct 31, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

But not at a 3 year contract. That’ll burden us down again.

Penny is a sleeper but you can guess that everyone else in the league knows this as well.

The other thing is, maybe he’s just an NL pitcher?

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by 306008 on Nov 1, 2009 9:47 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't see the 3 year deal part --- hell no on that.

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by Jeff Zimmerman (TucsonRoyal) on Nov 1, 2009 10:26 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ok

now i wouldnt want to give penny a 3 year but i would consider it, but it really doesnt matter cause there is no way we get him because of what he did in san fran. a lot of other teams are gonna want him and be willing to him too much money. but kelvim escobar is a legit possibility.

by Royals Time on Nov 1, 2009 1:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I just don't see Penny coming cheap.

It looks like he made $5M this year and his FIP was 4.46 (that’s what a 6 ERA with our defense?). I’m not really that against it, but we aren’t going to contend, so why not save that money for a big signing in 2011?

by AxDxMx on Nov 1, 2009 11:50 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

year too late on Willingham

no thanks on Hudson. not a big enough upgrade to make it worth it. Callaspo to DH is a fine idea with the premise that he also can fill in at 2B/3B when needed, but I’d need someone other than Hudson to do that. maybe TUG can get a shot. can’t hurt. resigning Coco for cheap is a good idea and could be a major bargain. plus he’d be fairly easy to trade if prospects are ready.

baseball rules.

by doublestix on Oct 31, 2009 3:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If Coco would be fairly easy to trade

I have a feeling he isn’t going to be cheap to sign.

by AxDxMx on Oct 31, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like CoCo

But we have to be careful with him. Do we take the option? Or do we try to negotiate a one year cheap “we’ll trade you at the deadline to a contender” type deal?

CoCo isn’t our long term answer.

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by 306008 on Nov 1, 2009 9:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If we take that option

GMDM might as well announce to Glass that he’s throwing his money away.

by AxDxMx on Nov 1, 2009 11:52 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

What do you think a trade for Nelson Cruz would take?

Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.

by rooster on Oct 31, 2009 4:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

2 years ago? Not much.

Now, we’d probably have to give them a good young arm.

by AxDxMx on Oct 31, 2009 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not sure if he's up for arb yet or not

but the Rangers shouldn’t be considering trading him for cheap.

*While you can’t just ignore his dreadful 2006-07 in the majors, he’s at worst an above-average hitter
*He’s a good defender in the outfield
*He has at least 3-4 years of team control left.

He’s not going to come cheap. Moreoever, He’ll be 29 at the beginning of next season, not old, but not young. Makes sense for a potential contender like the Rangers, but not so much for the Royals who won’t contend until he’s in his early 30s and more expensive.

The time to get Cruz for cheap was when he passed through waivers a couple years back, not now after he’s turned into a good player.

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by devil_fingers on Nov 1, 2009 5:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Looks like there's not a lot of interest over here for him.

As a Rangers’ fan, I think what the Rangers wil do with him this offseason is the most uncertain aspect of their offseason activities. Ron Washington is not impressed with his defense, despite the fact that he covers a lot of ground and has a good arm. He, apparently, takes bad routes sometimes and sometimes throws to the wrong base or something. So, Cruz sat a lot the final couple weeks while Washington made a political move by playing Byrd to make the point that the team absolutely needs Byrd to come back.

Hopefully, JD recognizes Cruz’s value and doesn’t trade him for something other than in a package for a top-line starter. Still, there was that day back in the beginning of JDs tenure, when he was pressured by Buck to trade for Eaton. I don’t think JD would do that again, but….

As a Royals fan, I think Cruz fits well in the sense that Moore clearly wants to be competitive in the next 1-3 years; otherwise, Greinke should’ve been dealt or should soon be dealt to give the organization a really big chunk of talent that could mature in 2-5 years. So, although Cruz is 29, he’s not arb eligible until after next year, and he’s probably better than just about any FA option. I think he’s a good fit for Moore’s plan.

You’re probably right that it would take more than Moore could afford to give up to bring Cruz to KC.

Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.

by rooster on Nov 1, 2009 5:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Why would they be so eager to let him go?

Is he cutting into David Murphys playing time?

Seriously, they’re an AL West contender on a budget. They absolutely need to be keeping a hold of guys like Cruz unless they get an offer they can’t refuse.

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by devil_fingers on Nov 2, 2009 12:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm almost certain they won't, but even if they keep him, the manager just doesn't seem

willing to let Cruz be a starter over Murphy. It’s insane, but the reporters around here keep talking about Cruz as the 4th OF if the Rangers bring back Byrd. I would be surprised if the front office doesn’t recognize Cruz as a top RF in the league but, what can you do about a manager who won’t play the best players?

Pro baseball has always been a dream, so this is pretty freakin’ cool out here. -- Tim Steggall, undrafted Rangers minor leaguer.

by rooster on Nov 2, 2009 10:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

what can you do about a manager who won’t play the best players?

(ahem)

this is just nuts. If they’re going to bring back Byrd, should he and Cruz OBVIOUSLY be starting. Murphy will get plenty of time to play when Hamilton needs to take his yearly “break” to relapse with some floozies get healthy, spend time with his family, and refocus his life.

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by devil_fingers on Nov 2, 2009 11:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

mark T

what do you think about mark being traded or staying? Cause i would like to see him shopped around

by Royals Time on Oct 31, 2009 9:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think the problem is

that I think you have to offer him arbitration, and then he’s making nearly $5 million…it would be hard to trade him knowing that he’s got that much coming to him, for anything of real value anyway…we may end up just non-tendering him or doing arb and keeping him.

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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Oct 31, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

offer him to the Cubs?

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by 306008 on Nov 1, 2009 9:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

After this last season, I'm pretty indifferent to Teahen.

He is what he is, won’t kill us if he stays here and plays. Won’t bring much on the trade market, but it wouldn’t hurt to get younger if they could get a decent prospect or two for him.

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by Warden11 on Nov 1, 2009 9:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The worst thing is

Knowing we had a chance to flip Bannister and Teahan last year and we didn’t get it done. (I also remember lots of talk about that on this board… I think it was split 50-50 on each of those players.)

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by 306008 on Nov 1, 2009 9:49 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

The best time to flip TEahen

was before the All-Star break this year, when he had seemingly re-established his offense and was masquarading as a 3B. NOw his value is as low or lower than it was in the past offseason.

More great thinking by the boys upstairs.

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by devil_fingers on Nov 1, 2009 5:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

definitely

damn them for not seeing that collapse in the second half.

baseball rules.

by doublestix on Nov 2, 2009 5:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

They should have seen the regression

plus the bad defense at 3B, the inadequate bat to play a corner outfield slot (and his inability to make up for it with the glove), and his contract status where he stands to make more in arbitration this year than he would get on the open market.

by Gopherballs on Nov 2, 2009 7:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Funny how some other teams are just lucky with the

“sell high” strategy

You’re right. They’re dong a heckuva job. We’re being really unfair. We mocked all their offseaso moves, but they sure showed us!

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by devil_fingers on Nov 2, 2009 11:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

More seriously

even if wioth the data available, TEahen was league average at best, getting more expensive, and wouldn’t be around when the team would contend. YOu didn’t need the collapse to know he should be shopped. YOu can’t just trade bad players. You trade playes that have value to other teams that aren’t going to help you contend. Everyone could see the Royals weren’t going to be contending inthe next couple years by June…

This is what sets competent front offices apart from the Mets and Royals.

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by devil_fingers on Nov 2, 2009 11:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs


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