One Fan's Vision for the Royals
I've had over a month off from the Royals now and have been mulling over some ideas. This is my vision for the Royals in the upcoming 2010 season. Bear with me if you're bored and/or interested in one fans ideal vision for his cherished franchise.
1B- Mike Jacobs / Billy Butler
Obviously Billy Butler is the man. He had a fantastic age 23 season with 50+ doubles. Its quite possible that a few of those doubles turn into homeruns and Billy will parlay his superb contact ability into a .315+ average. 2008 line 301/362/492 (UZR -6.24 2.5 WAR). 2010 prediction - 315/390/505, with him hopefully moving closer to average defensively. As for Mike Jacobs, he should be non tendered and Kila brought up in his spot on the 25 man roster.
2B - Alberto Callaspo
Given his minor league production, his offensive breakout this year wasn't as unexpected as some would have you think. However, as we all know his defense was atrocious, to the tune of a -7.8 UZR. So, some ideas.... With Billy being below average we need someone above average defensively to help cover some of the ground Billy can't. I move Callaspo to 3B where I believe he can be at least average defensively if not just a little better. If that doesn't work out, he can certainly be an atypical DH. He's under team control and cheap for the next few seasons, so he has value. So, with Callaspo moved off of 2B, who plays second? Betancourt could move to 2B, he might be average there. A healthy Aviles could likely play a slick 2B and if he could recapture even a decent portion of his 2008 offensive production then he could post a WAR between 2.5 to 3.5, which is incredibly useful. So, we can keep our fingers crossed for that because Aviles would be a cheap and potentially super productive in house option. Jeff Bianchi could potentially be ready mid season at SS/2B as well. Tug Hulett could also be useful, likely the pure definition of replacement level. A possible trade target could be the Phillies' Jason Donald who is said to project well above average defensively at 2B.
SS - Yuniesky Betancourt
Suck. Serious suck. This forum knows all about Betancourt's serious inadequacy. So, my vision clearly doesn't include Yuni. So where do you go from there? As previously said, Bianchi could be available midseason, but likely not. So what to do? Adam Everett is a free agent and would probably come cheap. Maybe one year for 1.5-2.5 million with a second year option. Even though his defense has declined somewhat in the last couple years, he would be eons better than what we currently have. An intriguing trade option could be to acquire Reid Brignac from the Devil Rays. Also, Jack Wilson has an 8.4 million club option with the M's and might be worth taking a look at if his option is declined. He's a longshot at best though, as he probably wants more dough than the Royals can stomach. He's probably one of the top two to three SS gloves in the game though.
3B - Alex Gordon / Mark Teahen
The most conservative and likely option is simply to move Callaspo to 3B. I have seriously soured on Alex Gordon. I'm not advocating cutting him or even trading him at this point while his value is at its lowest. In my estimation Alex Gordon seems to be an above average athlete so I propose that we move him to RF where his arm can remain an asset. With Teahen's precedent, moving Gordon to the OF isn't actually that drastic of a move. As for Teahen, I trade him for whatever young, high upside talent you can get, or simply non tender him. He's getting expensive, and isn't likely to be a part of a winning Royals team. He could still have good value in the NL or with a team with a glaring need at 3B. And to make my big splash in the offseason, I sign Adrian Beltre. With the depressed economy and his decreased power output, his contract demands will surely be much more reasonable than his currently expiring contract. My offer - $15 million, 3 year offer. With Teahen coming off the books and Olivo as well, in my plan we can afford this contract quite nicely. And we all know about Beltre's superb defensive reputation. This year he posted a 13.7 UZR, as well as a 2.3 WAR. While I know that is nothing to get super excited about, he did battle threw injuries much of the year. Over his last five or so seasons Beltre has averaged out to be about a 3 win player. Not too shabby. Chone Figgins would be another player to consider. What will he command on the market? I love the speed, and UZR rates him highly at 3B with a 14.5. He also posted a 5.9 WAR. So yeah he's coming off a career year. But at 31, with his athletic body he could age relatively well over the next few seasons compared to a lot of other players. He also walked 101 times last year so there's that too. He's basically THE PROTOTYPICAL lead off hitter.
C - Miguel Olivo/John Buck/Brayan Pena
Olivo had a good, albeit unusual offensive season. He is likely going to test free agency. He has a solid arm but well below solid ability at blocking balls. For what he's worth he will be too expensive for the Royals. In my humble opinion, John Buck should also go. Perhaps Buck is a better defender than Olivo slightly, but his impotent arm makes him otherwise ineffective behind the plate. His bat is slow and he is also racking up MLB experience so his 2010 paycheck will be considerably higher than what he is really worth. Therefore, Pena is promoted to the starting role and he will either sink or swim. I then promote either JR House or John Suomi for a cheap in house backup role. Unfortunately these moves are probably only a slightly better than replacement level, but what can you do? Great defensive catchers with above average offensive ability don't exactly grow on trees, so you do what you can with what you have and hope that you're drafting and developing good backstops in the minor leagues.
OF - David Dejesus/Coco Crisp/Mitch Maier/Josh Anderson/Jose Guillen/Mark Teahen
David Dejesus is what he is - an outstanding defensive LF and a pretty decent bat. His contract is good, so unless we get any really tempting offers you keep him. No brainer. I bring Coco back as well. Not on his option though. I buy him out and offer him an incentive laden 2 year deal. With his defensive ability and speed, and an average bat he is still very likely a 2.5-3 win player. I'll take that in CF. As far as RF, as stated before thats where I have moved Gordon. I dispose of Guillen somehow (in a perfect world), Teahen is traded, and Anderson and Maier come off the bench when necessary. This gives us a well above average defensive OF with Dejesus and Crisp. Certainly enough to compensate for your new league average RF in Alex Gordon. Defensively speaking at least.
So my main theme thus far is to do what we can to improve defensively, while giving our young talent a chance to improve offensively. This is nothing new, the Mariners did it last year and the Rays before them. It is now common knowledge that defensive ability is the new market inefficiency. It is also the cheapest and quickest way to improve your pitching as well. Pepper that approach along with a couple good free agent signings and you have a competitive team in the very winnable AL Central
Pitching staff
SP - Zack Greinke, Gil Meche, Luke Hochevar, Brian Bannister, Kyle Davies
RP- Joakim Soria, Juan Cruz, Roman Colon, John Bale, Kyle Farnsworth, Robinson Tejeda, Jamey Wright
Our top four pitchers will, barring injuries, get 180-200 IP next year. Zack is the man, and a healthy Gil Meche I think will rebound nicely. We will continue to find out what we have with Hochevar, and if he's failing at 100 IP or so, you move him to the pen for a change of scenery. Hopefully he harnesses his good stuff If Brian Bannister's trade value picks up at some point then you make the move, otherwise he's an okay 3-4 type pitcher. Kyle Davies' last chance is this upcoming year as he could be destined for the pen as well. If that is the case then we can certainly see if Tejeda really is onto something and give him a shot in the starting rotation. Free agents to consider - Philip Humber is listed as a minor league free agent. He's worth a flyer. Kelvim Escobar could be a good candidate. Justin Duchscher , Randy Wolf, Carl Pavano, Brad Penny and Brett Myers could all be very useful at the right price. Randy Wolf is especially attractive pitching form the left side. 2 years / 14 million?
As far as the relief core, Soria, Cruz and Tejeda are locks. Farnsworth is also unfortunately as well because of his contract. I predict Cruz to have a rebound year and Soria to be his useful brilliant self. Bale likely makes the team if he stays cheap and he can get LH's out. I say adios to Jamey Wright and Colon, promoting Carlos Rosa and Chris Hayes. And for another LH option I put Lenny DiNardo in the pen. DiNardo had a great year in the hitting friendly PCL striking out 127 and walking only 38. I don't know why he couldn't be a league average reliever. Aaron Crow could potentially pitch out of the bullpen later this year. Nothing earth shattering here, a few new roles and promotions, with no additional funding needed. I see a league average to slightly above average bullpen here. The only unusual thing I do with this bullpen is use Soria more. If he's not gonna start, we at least maximize the usage of our second best pitcher in a reasonable manner. Thats why I insert Soria into high leverage game situations and keep him on a 30-40 or so pitch count, seeing how far he can go whilst hoping for the Royals to notch another run or two. If he "closes" the game then fine, if not if he's used as a true fireman a la Dan Quisenberry. That way we squeeze out extra value by having him out there more often and pitching in the most important innings of close games. He gets 85-100 or so IP in my vision.
This is not a bad staff. With an improved defense I dare say that we are above average. I don't have a lot of numbers to throw at you but I hope my humble explanations support the case that we can make several minor moves and a couple free agent acquisitions and really improve this team. Our best bet is to do everything we can to improve anywhere we can defensively. In addition to that, we have to hope that another year of development for Butler, Gordon, and Callaspo reaps dividends for us offensively.
With all of this I am clearly being a realist. We're not a World Series caliber team. But ideally, we give ourselves a chance to compete in our own division efficiently. It lets us have another year of development in the minor leagues. Add in another good draft and we are slowly inching towards a very respectable farm system that David Glass utterly destroyed from the early 90's to mid 2000s. I also hire Hal McRae in some capacity as well for the final cherry on top.
I present now, your 2010 Kansas City Royals
1B - Billy Butler / Kila Kaaihue
2B- Mike Aviles / Willie Bloomquist / Alberto Callaspo
SS - Adam Everett / Mike Aviles / Yuniesky Betancourt
3B - Adrian Beltre / Alex Gordon
DH - Alberto Callaspo
C - Brayan Pena / JR House
LF - David Dejesus
CF - Coco Crisp / Josh Anderson / Mitch Maier
RF - Alex Gordon
SP - Zack Greinke
SP - Gil Meche
SP - Randy Wolf
SP - Luke Hochevar
SP - Brian Bannister
RH RP - Joakim Soria, Juan Cruz, Kyle Farnsworth, Carlos Rosa, Chris Hayes
LH RP - John Bale, Lenny DiNardo
Fearless prediction with this team in 2010
86-76
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This was a good read.
Still a lot of “ifs” though, which will happen no matter what until we start to win. Only a couple of minor quibbles:
1. Why not Callaspo to LF and DeJesus can play CF again?
2. You can’t keep Maier AND Anderson, they’re too similar as players. One of your back up outfielders needs to be a bat.
3. Donald, I believe, was traded to the Indians in the Lee deal. I wonder if we could have had Donald, Marson, and Carrasco for Meche?
We can probably fill one significant hole through free agency. If you had to choose, what hole would you pick?
by Dadunca on Nov 2, 2009 1:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Callaspo
1. would be more valuable as a 3B than a LF. Dejesus is a superb LF but average CF.
2. I probably agree, Anderson would be more expendable then Maier.
3. I totally forgot about Donald being a part of that trade.
I would choose to sign Adrian Beltre if I had to choose just one.
"I'll take some Coco with that please"
by RoyalJHWKR on Nov 2, 2009 2:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It is now common knowledge that defensive ability is the new market inefficiency.
If it is common knowledge, the inefficiency has ended, or will end shortly this offseason. Your idea is correct, but I expect teams to be looking a lot more to defense this year.
If you want to move Gordon for Beltre, that’s fine. Moving Gordon for Callaspo is a different story entirely. What makes people think Callaspo would be even average at 3B? 2B is an easier position. 3B you have to have very quick reaction time as the ball gets to you quicker. If Alberto has a range problem at 2nd, it will likely be just as bad at 3B.
And I don’t understand the souring on Gordon. Was it a case of high expectations heading into 2009 and injury making him fall far short of those lofty hopes? Yes, ARod returned from a similar injury and raked, so why not Alex? Because somebody learning and trying to figure the game out just had it complicated by being forced into more time off and coming back when he wasn’t 100%. I don’t expect huge numbers out of Alex in 2010, but I’d be willing to bet he posts at least 2-3 WAR, and has a BA between .265 and .285 with an OBP of .350 to .380.
Tejeda deserves a rotation shot, while Davies should probably just go to the bullpen.
Josh Anderson should be DFA’d any second now.
The Royals don’t have enough money this offseason to sign Beltre and Wolf. No chance Wolf gets signed. Probably no shot at Beltre either.
Best hope is for Aviles to come back with a vengeance.
I could live with Crisp in CF, but it has to be extremely cheap.
by AxDxMx on Nov 2, 2009 2:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Disagree about 2B vs 3B
Consensus is that 2B is more difficult to play than 3B; hence their respective positions on the commonly accepted defensive spectrum.
Range and turning the DP are the keys to being a good 2B, while quick reflexes and a strong arm are the key to being a good 3B. Callaspo certainly lacks the range needed for 2B, and in my opinion is below avg at making the turn as well. From the little we have seen of him at 3B, he appears to have a strong enough arm. Not sure about his reflexes.
The position switches in question are certainly reasonable. It is not all that uncommon for 2B and 3B to make switches in either direction, and plenty of 3B have made the switch to corner OF, which should be easier to play. Now, Kaufmann might require more range than is typically needed for a corner OF, but Gordon (when healthy) actually appears to have as much footspeed as all but a couple of guys on our current team. Can that translate to RF range? It’s worth finding out, if the end result is to keep Callaspo in the lineup while simultaneously improving the middle infield defense.
Mr Glass, this is a pro sports team, not a retail store - run it like one!
by loyal2sdad on Nov 2, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Gordon to RF may work
but i think you have to let him figure out the hitting side of the game first… if he’s going to play RF (full-time) it’s going to be 2011. In 2010 you can sprinkle some spot duty in RF, but a cold-turkey switch, i think, would hurt his numbers at the plate.
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by CollininCalifornia on Nov 2, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It might
I’ve never seen a study on position changes and their effect on offense. If it was up to me Gordon would me making up for lost time playing his new position in winter ball somewhere.
I’m really not all that worried about Gordon offensively. If he could just turn a small portion of his NUMEROUS called third strikes into a hit or a walk his OBP could go up considerably. Its my opinion he needs to get over himself, but thats just me being subjective based on how he acts.
"I'll take some Coco with that please"
by RoyalJHWKR on Nov 2, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm curious
What exactly has Alex Gordon ever done (or not done) to make you think he needs to “get over himself?”
by RaulDuke on Nov 4, 2009 8:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well for starters, I'm sure he snubbed this guy for a ball when he was yelling for it 20 rows from the field
and then Gordon personally attacked him by failing to stay injury free.
by AxDxMx on Nov 4, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
THAT IS AN EASY QUESTION TO ANSWER
I have not seen a player since Bobby Abreu give more shitty looks on called third strikes than Alex Gordon. And he gets called third strikes ALL THE FUCKING TIME
"I'll take some Coco with that please"
by RoyalJHWKR on Nov 5, 2009 12:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, he does need to change that
but part of it, is that I think he’s grimacing that he didn’t swing. And some of the pitches he gets called out on, legitimately don’t look like strikes. It may be the camera angle, but I’d wager at least 30% of his called strike 3’s are borderline pitches at best.
by AxDxMx on Nov 5, 2009 3:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well I suppose...
…he could take his cues from DDJ and just smile at the umpire and bounce his way back to the dugout all happy and stuff.
by RaulDuke on Nov 5, 2009 11:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Totally agree
"I'll take some Coco with that please"
by RoyalJHWKR on Nov 2, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, 3B is a lot like 1B it's not that tough
You have to have a good arm, and decent speed to charge bunts. But Gordon’s range at 3B seems to overlap the SS at times, and Callaspo wouldn’t be able to do that. Plus, the balls hit to 3rd are a lot harder to field. Sure 2nd covers more ground, but you have more reaction time (usually). So a range problem at 2B isn’t necessarily solved by shifting it to 3B. I think Callaspo’s reaction time is pretty terrible. I think he’d be a disaster at 3B of Yuni-riffic proportions. Almost everything that is hit hard will eat him up, or he just won’t get to.
by AxDxMx on Nov 2, 2009 4:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, and also...
Callaspo’s hands are bad at 2nd. They’ll be terrible at 3B, where he’ll have less time to unload the ball.
by Dadunca on Nov 2, 2009 5:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That could all very well be true
In my limited time watching Callaspo at 3B he didn’t look disastrous, but maybe he would.
"I'll take some Coco with that please"
by RoyalJHWKR on Nov 2, 2009 5:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Does Yuni look disastrous on a single night at SS?
Not really. But a cumulative effect shows up in the end. Really, I’m probably more against moving AG off of 3rd, than against AC at 3rd.
by AxDxMx on Nov 2, 2009 6:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
There have quite a few nights where Yuni has in fact looked disastrous. Yuni does not even come CLOSE to passing the most basic eye test
"I'll take some Coco with that please"
by RoyalJHWKR on Nov 3, 2009 1:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you are incorrect, sir
signed, Dayton Moore
"He once had an awkward moment, just to see how it felt...he lives vicariously...through himself- He is the most interesting man in the world"
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Nov 3, 2009 8:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure it is generally
accepted that 3B is easier to play than 2B.
I am not disappointed in Gordon’s play this year, it was obviously marred by his injury. Like I said though, Gordon is not an above average defensive 3B. I don’t doubt your projection of him next year, thats why I keep him.
What do you think Wolf and Beltre will command this offseason? I think one of them could be a realistic option if they are amenable to playing in KC.
I agree, much of my hope for next year relies on Aviles recapturing at least a good portion of his 2008 form.
"I'll take some Coco with that please"
by RoyalJHWKR on Nov 2, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gordon is basically average at 3B defensively
For UZR and other defensive stats, you need to look at more than one year’s stats (preferably two to three years/2000 to 3000 innings played). For 2007-2009 (2721 innings), Gordon’s UZR/150 at 3B is 1.0. He might be slightly below average if you weigh his more recent seasons more heavily, but a player who falls somewhere between 0 and -5 runs defensively is not someone you move off a position. The positional differential between 3B and a corner outfield position is -10 runs, so moving Gordon to the outfield is a waste of resources.
by Gopherballs on Nov 2, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I appreciate the clarification
But if you can significantly improve 3B defense with someone else though then it should be an overall positive move.
Likewise, if Gordon plays average defensively in RF and hits 265/360/475 then he is still something like a 2-3 win player right? Not exactly what we expected from him when we took him 2nd overall and anointed him the second coming, but still useful.
"I'll take some Coco with that please"
by RoyalJHWKR on Nov 2, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, it's not because you are giving up more net runs than you are adding with Beltre
If you think Gordon is going to hit 265/360/475, he is a 3 to 4 win player at 3B. If the team keeps Gordon at 3B, the team can use the Beltre money and roster spot to fix the outfield or another position where there is an existing hole.
by Gopherballs on Nov 2, 2009 3:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Would you agree that we have a need then at RF?
And if so, who could we acquire to improve?
"I'll take some Coco with that please"
by RoyalJHWKR on Nov 2, 2009 5:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone except GMDM agree there is a huge need at RF.
I used to work with an old man that told me. Son, every workplace has a dumbass, if you don't have one where you work, then I'm afraid you're it.
by Warden11 on Nov 2, 2009 5:29 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
No kidding
There is no one answer to who the Royals could acquire — corner outfielders are far enough down the defensive spectrum that there are a lot of guys who can play there with decent bats. The Royals should be looking to acquire a corner outfielder as part of any trades. In addition to Ryan Sweeney, the A’s have a stockpile of young cheap outfielders (Buck, Cunningham, E. Patterson, and more on the way) who could potentially develop into decent regulars. Matt Murton is an example of freely available (or near freely available) talent that could probably be a two-win player with regular playing time.
by Gopherballs on Nov 2, 2009 7:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You make it seem like there
is a 2 WAR player bake sale going on that the Royals aren’t participating in for some reason.
"I'll take some Coco with that please"
by RoyalJHWKR on Nov 3, 2009 1:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's because there is
while the Royals are too busy paying heavily marked up prices at a 7-11 for goods past their expiration date.
by Gopherballs on Nov 3, 2009 2:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I definitely agree
that signing guys like Guillen, Farnsworth, Jacobs is really dumb.
But who’s to say that the Royals aren’t trying to trade for younger players but it just isn’t panning out? I do know that if we aren’t trying then that is ridiculous as well. But who’s to know?
"I'll take some Coco with that please"
by RoyalJHWKR on Nov 3, 2009 2:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Because every guy they picked up or targeted recently
was a mediocre “proven” veteran who they overpaid to get — even the utility infielder.
by Gopherballs on Nov 3, 2009 2:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like the emphasis on defense
but the Royals should focus on adding younger players under club control for multiple years (preferably at least three years). The team should look for the under 30 versions of Beltre, Crisp, Everett, and Wolff. Any veteran signings should be limited to guys like Eric Hinske who will sign for $1.5 million or so and would provide depth until younger players are ready to take over.
by Gopherballs on Nov 2, 2009 2:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I just believe though
that despite their age, Beltre, Crisp and Everett are so premium defensively that they give us a chance to honestly compete in this weakened division next year. Beltre is the only one that is deserving of more than a 2 year contract, so we wouldn’t get tied down with lengthy contracts.
As far as Wolf, thats just me looking for a legitimate LHP for our rotation. I would rather not give him more than a 2 year deal and certainly nothing longer than 3. 2/15mil, maybe something like that with a mutual option for year 3.
Keep in mind, quite a good amount of cash comes off the book after next year. If Beltre and Wolf are the best options for our team the next 2-3 years, we should pull the trigger now (I haven’t looked at 2011 free agents yet however)
"I'll take some Coco with that please"
by RoyalJHWKR on Nov 2, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Royals should stop the cycle of playing for next year if everything goes perfect
Even with the defensive upgrades, that proposed lineup projects as 75-78 win team, maybe a few wins more if everything goes perfect. The teams can acquire players as good as Crisp, etc. but who will be under club control for multiple years. Bringing Crisp back for one year for a push for 79 wins accomplishes nothing and comes at the expense of developing someone as good as Crisp who can help the team for several years. Playing for next season just perpetuates the failure.
by Gopherballs on Nov 2, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
so you're saying we should sign Crisp to a long-term contract
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by benfunke on Nov 2, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Who is hurt?
Why does the team I propose only win 78 at best? Who are the players that we can acquire under club control?
In addition, assuming we do get young, high upside talent, what do we give up to attain that? I’m assuming young, high upside arms, I could be wrong maybe someone like Bannister/Callaspo/Meche could attract enough interest
Playing for next season does not perpetuate failure. Yes, signing Jacobs and Guilden does. But signing Beltre doesn’t, adding Everett up the middle while we give Bianchi another year or two. I want to know specifically what your ideas are to improve the team.
"I'll take some Coco with that please"
by RoyalJHWKR on Nov 2, 2009 5:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sit tight, save money for future years, let some young players play
Then make a big splash by trying to sign a BIG name FA, not all this piddly crap. DM likes to do piddly crap though.
2009 DM Piddly Contracts
$4.5M on Farnsy
3.2M on Jacobs
2.8M on Olivo or Buck (split the difference and pick one)
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$10.5M wasted in 2009 – Why not use that money on a single big name player? All this little crap doesn’t help.
by AxDxMx on Nov 2, 2009 6:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am
in total agreement, those are bad contracts
"I'll take some Coco with that please"
by RoyalJHWKR on Nov 3, 2009 1:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Do a back of the envelope calculation based on projected WAR
My rough WAR estimate netted about 28-30 runs, which when added to the 47-48 wins for replacement level gets you 75-78 wins.
Virtually every team has players under club control worth acquiring, starting with their prospects, young talent who may not qualify as prospects anymore, and young talent on the MLB roster who is blocked. We have talked about this a lot, so go back and read the archives — nwroyal had a nice post just a couple weeks. Just for CF, while Franklin Gutierrez is no longer undervalued, there are plenty of interesting players like Dickerson, Pie, Sweeney, Gardner, Cabrera, Dukes, Young, Borbon, Gomez, E. Patterson, F. Perez, etc. And keep in mind not every player has to have high upside — a future 2.0 WAR player at a minimum salary is highly valuable.
As for trade candidates, DDJ and Soria are the obvious candidates, at least until Meche can show he is healthy next spring. Bannister is certainly candidate as he is probably at his peak value, next year is his age 29 season, and he is starting to get expensive. Callaspo might be a candidate based on his defensive problems (which might erode his value going forward).
The Royals should forget about competing in 2010 and just focus on acquiring as much cheap young talent as possible through trades, giving interesting free talent from the waiver wire, Rule 5 draft and/or the minor league free agent pool a chance to play (in hopes of finding the next Carlos Pena, Nelson Cruz, Marlon Byrd, Jack Cust, etc.), signing low end free agents role players like Hinske if the team cannot fill out the MLB roster through other means, and investing the money saved on mediocre free agents in the draft and international free agents. Even following this route, the team may seen significant improvement in the win column.
by Gopherballs on Nov 2, 2009 7:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't comment enough
but I’ve more or less perused everything over the last 2 1/2 seasons here. I agree a lot of those players are interesting, especially Dickerson. Several of those players I would doubt are really available. Dukes’ upside in my opinion is still enormous, maybe he’s burned his last bridge in Washington.
I think one thing that goes unmentioned too often here is that the Royals are still a business. It is in the Glass’ family best interest to at least try/pretend that they are doing something to improve the team in the short term. That does not mean I advocate handing out bad multi year contracts. However, if we can add cheap, athletic, defensively apt players then we should look to do that while we acquire/develop young talent.
"I'll take some Coco with that please"
by RoyalJHWKR on Nov 3, 2009 1:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The thing the Royals do not get is that the young, cheap players
would often improve the team more in the short run than the old, mediocre veterans. I like Crisp, but he only fits on this team if the Royals cannot find someone younger who is better or at least as good first and then only if he comes ridicuously cheap on a one-year deal. There are more centerfielders worthy of regular playing time than there are jobs available, so some of the younger ones will be surplus and available for a reasonable deal.
by Gopherballs on Nov 3, 2009 2:38 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
the thing is
you can try to compete AND add cheap, undervalued players. to be perfectly honest, it really doesn’t matter one whit what the fans think about what moves the team makes…all that matters is results.
there is no need to bring in orlando hudson, erik bedard, coco crisp, etc. unless 1) you can get a great deal on them, and 2) you see them helping this team compete in 2011.
if the team did pick up 3 guys like dickerson (I’ll admit I know nothing about him but you guys say he’s good so he must be), the general fans would probably be pissed of that we didn’t do anything in FA. then, when we win 78 games they would probably feel a lot better about things.
"He once had an awkward moment, just to see how it felt...he lives vicariously...through himself- He is the most interesting man in the world"
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Nov 3, 2009 8:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kaegel will talk up the new no name acquisition
I really think the fans will love anyone as long as they play hard. It’s guys like Berroa and Emil Brown who were seemingly not trying hard that got ridden the most. And Guillen for his outbursts…
by AxDxMx on Nov 3, 2009 12:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you sign Beltre
only if you want another agonizing season of Mike Jacob production and hes simply just average as a fielder
Pujols takes out "I" in BIG and "A" in MAC, previously considered to be an unyielding, consonant threat
by DESTROYER on Nov 2, 2009 6:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Beltre was a 2.3 WAR player in 2/3 of a season this year....
and Jacob has had negative value the last two years….
so, yeah, they’re pretty similar
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Nov 2, 2009 8:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by hunter s. royal on Nov 2, 2009 10:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think we have the pay flexibility
If we lose Buck and Olivo (he opts out, we save money and get a draft pick out of Olivo, his 21 HR’s are a HUGE blessing in disguise), non tender Jacobs, we save around 9-10M. And that’s coupled with knowing JoGui’s and Farnsy’s 16.5M come off the books next year.
by bigmark14 on Nov 2, 2009 8:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
my 2 cents...
i agree with those who say we should largely stay out of the FA market except for cheap upside players…don’t know if anybody heard rany today on 810 but he advocates the team being more patient and stopping trying to fill every hole with marginal players…this would mean bringing up kaaihue, maybe parraz/lubanski, and seeing what bannister can give you.
i am more interested in this team having a long-term philosophy where they gradually add real pieces that are going to help us towards a larger goal instead of just plugging holes here and there to try to squeak out 75-80 wins.
this team is probably only set with Butler, Callaspo, Gordon, Greinke, and Soria for 2011-2012. Everyone else should either be traded or at least the team should have an idea of who’s going to fill those holes down the road. i think we’ve got several pitchers on the way, so we probably don’t need to try out too many guys there. For 2011-2012, we’ve got holes at all 3 outfield positions, SS, DH, and C.
You’re probably not going to have young studs from the farm to fill every spot. So if I’m DM I’m trying to find guys now that can be pieces in 2011-2012. This upcoming year should be about finding those guys where we can.
If you assume that you can get one starting OF from Lough/Parraz/Lubanski/Maier, then you start looking for two OF . Maybe pick up one cheap and the other spot gets filled by a FA. Assume that either Aviles or Bianchi will play at SS. See if Pena can catch every day, if not you grab one in FA during next offseason.
Put Hochevar and Davies in the pen, and find out if Bannister can fill the 4/5 spot or trade him to fill one of our other holes.
DeJesus will probably not be around or be valuable enough by 2011, so try to trade him and use the spot to try some guys out that may be able to help when we can compete.
What I want to see is a plan for building, not just the constant sticking fingers in the dike that we’ve constantly been subjected to.
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Nov 2, 2009 10:28 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Rec'd, dude
But I think we gotta fill at least one hole this year, even with all the money on coming off the books next year.
And you’re right, we gotta see what we got in Parrazz and Lubanski. If even a few serviceable years, that’s something on the cheap.
by Dadunca on Nov 2, 2009 11:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think
Lubanski is going to be a minor league free agent this offseason. He won’t be back. Also, he has shown nothing to show he deserves a shot.
by gordonrules on Nov 2, 2009 11:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like it.
Air Cassel - approved for takeoff
by kabrink on Nov 7, 2009 3:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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