Royals trade Mark Teahen to White Sox for Chris Getz & Josh Fields
by nwroyal on Nov 5, 2009 10:23 AM EST
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- The Royals shed Teahen's probable ~$3-4 million-ish salary. Getz & Fields are both league minimum guys.
- Presumably Fields will compete for the DH job. He really shouldn't be in the field. Then again, would a Fields at 3rd, Gordon at 1st, scenario stun you?
- Not immediately sure what to make of Getz. His (small sample) defensive numbers aren't good. Maybe he's a depth guy, maybe they have a plan to use him. Too early to say. I know that he wasn't popular in the White Sox clubhouse after making some seemingly innocuous statements about the younger players on the team energizing the club.
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Just last night he was talking about the Royals winning it all in 2010
http://twitter.com/Challenger_KC/status/5442516474
Now he’ll never get to experience it with us. :(
At first glance, I love this trade...
we don’t lose much except for Teahen in RF, and frankly, not having him as an option in RF might make us look at other, better options. Getz is promising and also opens up playing Callaspo at DH more. Also takes PT from Willie Ballgame. Salary-wise, we freed up some cash. Solid deal.
not sure what happens in RF now, though
they can’t be counting on Guillen to stay healthy/not suck, can they? Or does this mean more time for Bloomy in the outfield?
I’ve been open to trading Callaspo, perhaps bringing in Getz leads to this…curious what we’d get back for a doubles-machine that can’t field.
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You really want Callaspo at DH?
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yeah.
2009 Royals DH’s: .212/.283/.378
Alberto Callaspo: .300/.356/.457
I think that’d be an upgrade.
Wouldn’t it make more sense to put a guy at DH whose true-talent level is higher than Callaspo? Say… Kila?
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I'm not opposed to the trade in terms of value and salary considerations
but I’m trying to figure out where Getz and Fields fit in the 25-man.
Getz is a better fielder than Callaspo, so this could move Calle to DH, but then Butler is full-time 1B… where does Fields go? Bench?
I realize this kind of analysis is premature given that it’s the first day of the offseason (0-0 record!), but I’m just curious as to what the plan is.
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agreed
we took two positions that were generally solid (2B/3B) and added players while we got rid of our current best RF option.
Fields has played LF, though, so maybe he is being considered a Teahen replacement (maybe he can play 1B, 2B, ….)
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Maybe another trade is coming?
I like getting something for Teahen, because I thought he would be nontendered this year, but I wonder what the plan is.
I think
you guys might need to Look at how Pujols used to field at first base, now he has turned into a top defender, takes some work Butler seems up to it. it is a shame that teahan is leaving though, seemed like one of the few that had and heart on this team
Pujols takes out "I" in BIG and "A" in MAC, previously considered to be an unyielding, consonant threat
Pujols held his own at 3B and LF in his yougner years, was an SS in juco (I think)
Butler couldn’t hold down 3B when he was 18 and relatively skinny
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by Matt Klaassen on Nov 5, 2009 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
relatively skinny?
when was this? 10 and under?
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 5, 2009 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
Must of been in the Dominican because he was a MAN at 16.
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we're talking albert, aren't we?
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I should have said
“not as chunky as he is now”
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by Matt Klaassen on Nov 5, 2009 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
When McGuire signed as hitting coach
There was a shot of the two of them in the year they played together. Do I have that right? Albert was normal looking in that shot.
Sad to see him go
Totally agree. I throughly enjoyed watching Teahen play. He was likely never going to be an all-star, but he played hard and had fun. I am really not sure who I am excited to watch in a Royals uniform next year aside from Bulter and Greinke
We got something. That was better than I thought. Decent move.
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This whole roster
needs to be blown up. This is a good start.
by Mac'n'Seitz on Nov 5, 2009 10:45 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
this trade sounds good at first
but then I went and looked at their stats on fangraphs. neither player we’re getting is really much to get excited about.
but, considering that teahen really didn’t fit in our plans at $5 million, and fields has some possible upside, I think this is the type of move that needs to be made.
i will say, i’m very sad to see teahen the human being not here anymore, and i’m sad that he has to deal with the southside douchebags, but baseball-wise it makes a lot of sense for us.
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Nov 5, 2009 10:47 AM EST reply actions
Same reaction
At first I thought it sounded good.
Then I went to fangraphs and looked up both Fields and Getz. Decidedly less excited now.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m happy we got something for Teahen, but I’m not sure how much Fields and Getz actually help.
Unless I'm wrong...
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cheap utility roster filler
they aren’t total scrubs… but Teahen’s too expensive for what he brings
one guess is that they’ve decided to keep Guillen (ugh) and have him DH, let Jacobs go, have Fields play RF and Getz is a utilty man.
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by Matt Klaassen on Nov 5, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
So what are we paying both of these guys combined?
$880K? Compared to $5000K? Seems okay to me as Getz only has one full year and was decent…
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Don't really like it......yet
I’m all for moving Teahen, but moving a good OBA guy for two guys who can’t get on base seems unwise. Particularly when the players acquired play the same position as two decent, young, cheap players already on your team.
Is Getz an upgrade over Callaspo or Gordon?
Getz 2009 WAR 0.2
Callaspo 2009 WAR 2.9
Gordon 2009 WAR 0.4
The answer appears to be no. Sure he is likely to get better, I like his speed, White Sox fans said he had spurts where he looked really good. I just don’t get why they feel the need to get a 2B. Seems like there are more pressing needs elsewhere. But we’ll see. This is probably just the first of many moves this offseason and it could look better as we see the rest of Dayton’s “process.”
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My WAG is that Callaspo may have had a career year, but he's still good
like I said above, it’s basically trading one expensive utility guy for two cheap ones
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by Matt Klaassen on Nov 5, 2009 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
I'm okay with selling high on Callaspo
And if we trade him for some pitching/OF help, and Getz is the starter, then this trade looks better. I’m not ready to make final judgment on this yet.
I do worry this means they are giving up on Gordon and selling low on him though.
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Always maximize value — I think they should trade DDJ before Callaspo because they have Callaspo under con
If they’re giving up on Gordon, that’s stupid. They’re selling low. He should play 3B before Callaspo, who should either stay at 2B for now or move into the OF — as I’ve said before, if Callaspo really has a good enough arm to play 3B (and we know his range sucks in general), it’s good enough to play RF.
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by Matt Klaassen on Nov 5, 2009 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
So is Callaspo actually going to be sold "high"
Instead of the wait til they tank and cut them approach?
Good move
I like Teahen, and wish him the best. I had hopes he’d be better than this, but he doesn’t hit well enough to start in the outfield or 1B, and can’t field well enough at 3B to hold it down (no, he’s not as good as Gordon).
Neither Getz nor Fields is a full-time starter, maybe not even on the Royals (although Fields should get a shot in RF), but trading two utility guys for one slightly older utility guy is a good move, especially since neither Getz nor Fields are arb-eligible yet (I think).
The Roals could also trade DDJ for a prospect, move Callaspo to LF, put Getz at 2B. That’s a real rebuilding move
On its face, nothing to get excited about, other than it’s nice to see that the front office can make a trade on the major league level that isn’t mind-numbingly stupid. Heck, it even shows a bit of awareness re: value/team situation. We’ll see where it goes from there.
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by Matt Klaassen on Nov 5, 2009 10:50 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
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Trading DDJ is painful but necessary. I’d take a strong pitching prospect for him—-or a mid-level prospect and a very strong reliever. – TL
i want a low level bat with a high ceiling
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 5, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
i just want someone with some real potential
not guys who are just close to ready
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 5, 2009 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
not enough to be the 4 corners utility guy?
sox fan?
if so, what do you think?
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 5, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
rany's reaction
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Nov 5, 2009 10:51 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
that's rob neyer
off to the left, by the way…
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Nov 5, 2009 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
awesome
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by CollininCalifornia on Nov 5, 2009 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
According to MLBTR
Both players are in their pre-arbitration years, and have a combined ten years of team control left.
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by 306008 on Nov 5, 2009 11:00 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
what's the over and under on his stats for next year?
I predict 20 home runs and 90 ribbies, bare minimum.
Chalk it up to “Jorge de La JP Howell Syndrome”.
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Buster Olney
says talks are “not that far along”
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Teahen and Getz
have also said they haven’t heard anything about the trade, per a text from Getz and radio interview with Teahen.
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Fangraphs analysis of trade is up
http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/index.php/traded-mark-teahen-for-chris-getz-josh-fields
Olney report notwithstanding
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I should add
this analysis is from a purely fantasy baseball perspective
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If the analsys is up
It must be a done deal!!
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Beyond the Boxscore report up also:
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/11/5/1117230/chicago-white-sox-acquire-mark
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by Jeff Zimmerman on Nov 5, 2009 11:27 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
To d-f above......
it’s not letting me reply to any messages….but yes Pujols played SS in HS and Legion ball with Independence Hi-Boy.
by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on Nov 5, 2009 11:58 AM EST reply actions
Well the Sox fans hate the move...
http://www.southsidesox.com/2009/11/5/1117138/sox-acquire-mark-teahen#comments
So I’d say that’s a great sign.
by raefzilla on Nov 5, 2009 11:59 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I think a change of scenery will be good for Teahen.
As for Getz and Fields…. Getz is young enough he could develop into another Grudz. Fields and Hillfart will bond over their bibles and Josh should get alot of playing time from the coach. We will have Mertins in AAA next year and he is at least as good if not better than Getz. Bianchi and Mertins our infield of the future.
Getz isn't that young
He’s 26. He’ll be 27 next August. I don’t see a whole lot of upside. He seems like a stop gap until something better comes along. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him non-tendered in a season or two.
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A fair point
Although he’s getting non-tendered because of his salary, while Getz I think will be non-tendered because he’s just not very good at all.
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Take a look at Teahen's WAR for 2008 and 2009
by Gopherballs on Nov 5, 2009 1:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
dude..his 90 OPS+ in all 4 corners was mos def cutting it
especially for 5 million and well into his prime
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 5, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
Here's what's going to happen
Getz moves to CF to replace Anderson/Maier. Callaspo stays at 2B. Gordon at 3B. Fields to LF. DDJ to RF…
Doesn’t make any sense, but why should it? That’s what the Royals will do and I hate it. You heard it here first.
I do like the trade however bringing in two guys who have at the least some potential. That gives us depth. Building slowly….
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 5, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
I thought Getz could play CF
So I thought the trade made sense from a “we have to fix our CF problem every year” standpoint.
you're against this trade as well?
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 5, 2009 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
No, I'm still for it.
When reading this at first, I thought Getz was a CFer. But looking it up, Getz has only ever played LF for 15 games in the minors. So probably not. I do like this trade, as Teahen had to go. He was making too much money, without a clear position, and not enough production. Would have been nontendered. Something when we would have had nothing is always preferable.
your last sentence is the downside of this trade
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 5, 2009 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
Don't think we traded for two backups
Getz is our starting 2bagger – and good riddance to AC’s glove – and Fields will get the chance to compete for a starting spot somewhere, partly depending on whether they move Gordo off third or off the team. As for their MLB stats, I don’t think there’s enough sample size to declare them both low-OBP guys, and their minor league numbers show there is some hope for them. Good trade since Teahen just didn’t have a worthwhile role here. At worst we traded a backup for a starter and a backup, while saving money.
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by royalsroyalsroyals on Nov 5, 2009 12:03 PM EST reply actions
As disappointing as GOrdon has been
Fields has been clearly worse with both his bat and glove so far
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by Matt Klaassen on Nov 5, 2009 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
I think its more likely Fields play OF for us
And they try to make him an Eric Hinske type player.
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Plus
there’s no way I’d give up on Gordon at this point without a bountious haul in return. Just saying Fields will have a chance to compete for a starting spot.
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by royalsroyalsroyals on Nov 5, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
If this were the end of offseason moves (which it's not)
my guess would be Fields/Guillen sharing time in RF, Callaspo/Getz rotating at 2B, with Callaspo/Fields/Guillen splitting time at DH
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those angry White Sox people
Are almost as bitter as we are. With less overall justification, I might add.
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Overall, yeah
but they basically just traded away two cheap Teahens for one more expensive Teahen (who is probably a bit better than either Getz or Fields, but not enough to justify the trade and his likely salary)
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by Matt Klaassen on Nov 5, 2009 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
that's how I'm feeling... but it might give Tug a chance. lol
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can't believe I forgot about Tug!
He might be as good or better than Getz
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by Matt Klaassen on Nov 5, 2009 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
Tug seems to have have got left behind somehwere
Is his glove at 2B really awful or something? Because his numbers in the minors say he deserves a really good shot based on his bat…
yup
But you know Dayton — if you can pick up guy off of waivers, he’s probably not worth playing
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by Matt Klaassen on Nov 5, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
The Chicago sun times now says it's official
according to the white sox
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/1867251,teahen-getz-fields-white-sox-trade-05.article
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by CollininCalifornia on Nov 5, 2009 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
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I like the idea
Simply because Kenny Williams is the only GM whom Daytom Moore always seems to be able to get the better of.
The only thing I don’t see in this trade is Kenny taking one of our bullpen castoffs (please, please, please, Kyle Farnsworth. please, Kenny)
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Teams are usually loathe to pull intra-division trades, yet we seem to deal with the White Sox quite a bit.
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kenny felt like he owed us one
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From MLBTR comments section:
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If this is step one
Of a real clear out of the roster, than this is a good move. One expensive journeyman for two cheap ones. That’s nothing to complain about really.
If true this is a nice little move
Due to get $5 million or so in arbitration, Teahen should be a non-tender, but the Royals might have found someone to give them value in return. Neither Getz nor Fields are great (Getz has some nice skills, a good minor league track record, but no power and a questionable glove, while Fields has monster power and an ability to take a walk, but lousy contact and no glove), but as essentially free pick ups who can provide some value and depth, it would be a shrewd move for Moore.
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Green now.
I used to work with an old man that told me. Son, every workplace has a dumbass, if you don't have one where you work, then I'm afraid you're it.
No, he's still one of the worst GMs in baseball
This is a good minor move, but not real high on degree of difficulty. In context, though, it does not quite make up for his previous screw up in not trading Teahen this summer when his value was a lot higher.
Looks like they were serious about Callaspo's defense at 2B being an issue
This trade seems fair, at least, on the surface – and considering what we all think of Moore lately, well at least he can make a trade without being the clear loser!
Here’s a positive no one has brought up yet – it’s apparent that Getz was the key to this deal, and will be given the starting job at 2B. Setting aside the question of what to do with Callaspo, can we all agree that at least this means they recognize that Bloomquist shouldn’t be a starter?
Of course, an equally big positive from this is the freeing up of about 4-5 million (assuming Moore doesn’t blow it on another Farnsworthesque move)
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What should we do with the $5 million?
I say save it for the draft this year AND Baconator’s Extension.
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Fasho
As long as it doesn’t get splurged on Eric Gagne or something (insert generic crappy free agent likely to command a high salary).
can we all agree that at least this means they recognize that Bloomquist shouldn’t be a starter?
Someone has to play RF….
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Well, sure, that covers April and maybe part of May, but what about the other months?
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At this point
we can’t agree to them doing anything smart until we actually see them do it
seriously
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by Matt Klaassen on Nov 5, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
I'm with you there
Willie Bloomquist turned into Ross Gload part 2 last year, except Ross was 10 times the player Willie was.
I don't know.
Doesn’t this open up RF for Bloomers to take over? That’s the only thing about this trade that scares me.
by hunter s. royal on Nov 5, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
i dont know how this cant be seen as a huge win for dayton....
we got a whole lot more for teahen than the rays did for aki…and i think aki’s probably more valuable being as he’s actually a good defender at 2 IF positions
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 5, 2009 12:37 PM EST reply actions
hell, its a win if we cut both guys in ST
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 5, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure I would have given Teahan for Getz straight up...
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a good move by dayton?
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 5, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
give fields 500 ABs next year, he's a top 3-4 hitter on our team
and cheap
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 5, 2009 12:41 PM EST reply actions
I'm warming to this deal
I do like that it looks like Getz will be our only competent baserunner. 25/27 SB is pretty awesome.
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it'll be nice to add someone who's competent at something....
davey in left defensively, billy and bert hitting…and…..?
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 5, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe we can turn Kila into an RF?
Since we’re set on Billy at 1B.
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kila by all accounts is worse than billy on defense....
and while he shouldve gotten a chance last year over jacobs, he’s not really something to worry about….unless he goes all kila 2008 on the PCL in the first couple months next year
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 5, 2009 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
So what becomes our order?
assuming no other moves happen?
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i think Getz and Fields would bat in the lower 3rd
7. Fields
8. Yuni
9. Getz
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by CollininCalifornia on Nov 5, 2009 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
haha... touché
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by CollininCalifornia on Nov 5, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
you should write something on your blog...
i’ve run out of shit to read on the internet….like the entire internet
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 5, 2009 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
shitty trade
Getz doesn’t provide anything, and Getz is going to steal Callaspo’s job.
Josh Fields is Alex Gordon, if Gordon had absolutely no idea where the strike zone was and hadn’t hit worth a damn in 3 years.
This trade makes our team worse.
Hoping that the Tigers fire Leyland and steal Trey Hillman from the Royals
even if it does.....
teahen provided nothing for us and was gone in 2 years anyways…
now if we drop a catcher, we have 9 millionish dollars freed up which could be used for something useful
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 5, 2009 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
comparison time
Teahen, 2009: .271/.325/.408, 12 HR, 34 2B, 680 PA
Getz & Fields, 2009: .246/.315/.347, 9 HR, 23 2B, 569
Teahen has a low 90s OPS+
and we traded him for two guys who have OPS+ around 70
Hoping that the Tigers fire Leyland and steal Trey Hillman from the Royals
4 million dollars difference, 8 extra years of team control and upside
being anything less than neutral on this trade is just hatin’ on dayton, which i love to do when it is remotely necessary. However, this is not one of those situations.
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 5, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
we are not in a budget crunch
in fact, I don’t think Teahen is the most expensive guy that we’re booting in this offseason.
Getz is 26 next year, Fields is turning 27 in December
these guys are just about as good as they ever will be, and they’re both god awful at hitting.
Hoping that the Tigers fire Leyland and steal Trey Hillman from the Royals
who says were not in a budget crunch?
certainly not any of the guys that count…glass and dayton
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 5, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
They said they weren't adding payroll
How can that not be considered a budget crunch? Also, Teahen was going to make too much money for a man without a position, assuming JoGui in RF or Bloomers.
They are both oldish
There isn’t much upside there.
But salary relief is cool. But I agree that as a pure offensive unit this team got worse with this trade.
And i’m cool with that. But what is obvious is that this move is going to have knock on implications across the whole team. And there is a lot of potential for mistakes in that.
fields does have upside....
not a huge likelihood of reaching it, but he’s 2 years removed from putting up huge power numbers
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 5, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
Josh Fields' huge power numbers
are kind of like the huge power numbers that gave us Mike Jacobs. Only Jacobs had done that within a year of coming to KC and Fields has sucked for awhile
Fields in 2007: .244/.308/.480, 101 OPS+
AWWWWWWWWWWESOME
huge upside is just a catchphrase to justify signing young players who suck
Hoping that the Tigers fire Leyland and steal Trey Hillman from the Royals
i'll take upside and cheap
over proven mediocrity and expensive…and anyone who doesnt…is an idiot…sorry….
jacobs wouldnt have been a terrible addition last year had he been league minimum
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 5, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
maybe I woke up in 1995
because people are talking like this team is about to go into the toilet financially and that we needed to save more money after the best revenue/attendance year in years
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You talk like the revenue and attendance numbers
are in any way sustainable
"You know what, I mean I cried in bed for a while, moaning 'Why!? Why did this have to happen?'"
Zack Greinke on the Brad Pitt - Jennifer Aniston split
considering how DM has done his job
we’re due to an major attendance hit this year
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I am confused
as to what your financial standpointpoint is
"You know what, I mean I cried in bed for a while, moaning 'Why!? Why did this have to happen?'"
Zack Greinke on the Brad Pitt - Jennifer Aniston split
standpoint
point
"You know what, I mean I cried in bed for a while, moaning 'Why!? Why did this have to happen?'"
Zack Greinke on the Brad Pitt - Jennifer Aniston split
we have a ton of money...enough to have a shitty $5 million utility man
b/c were due for a huge attendance dip
HOW DONT YOU GET THIS?
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 5, 2009 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
Ahhh I see it now
he’s being intentionally obtuse?
"You know what, I mean I cried in bed for a while, moaning 'Why!? Why did this have to happen?'"
Zack Greinke on the Brad Pitt - Jennifer Aniston split
i hope its intentional
there’s no logical way to be mad at dayton about this one
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 5, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
I've heard that the Royals need to cut $5MM from payroll
and they weren’t helped by the bigger market teams seeing a cut in attendance… which means we see a substantial cut from revenue sharing $$. It’s not a depression but the payroll certainly isn’t going to increase much at all… it’ll probably decrease and for good reason
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by CollininCalifornia on Nov 5, 2009 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
so...b/c you think we have money....
it’s wise to pay a replacement level player $5 million?
we could be the fucking yankees with a 40 million payroll and its still not a wise move
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 5, 2009 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
you could get a better deal than
what DM got
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we got a better deal than tampa did for a far superior player
an unquestionably better deal
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 5, 2009 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
It's realistic to think that Getz may be as valuable as Teahen.
Less power, better glove. Callaspo to the outfield?
replacin davey in left would be ideal...
with davey picking up a hi a ball hitting prospect with some upside
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 5, 2009 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
maybe....
but i’ll take that over guy’s who’ll be relegated up backup roles or the pen in 2012 when our real team hopefully is here
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 5, 2009 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
Fields doesn't do much for me... sure
but calling this a shitty trade seems a bit strong. At the very least we freed up about $4MM… what’s wrong with that?
The Alex Gordon era - www.number4thesmirk.com
by CollininCalifornia on Nov 5, 2009 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
we're not in the middle of the great depression
and we’re unlikely to spend $4M on the FA market.
This move also removes one of our best hitters (Callaspo) from the lineup for a guy who barely hit better than Betancourt.
Hoping that the Tigers fire Leyland and steal Trey Hillman from the Royals
Opening Day lineup is already out?
the WS just ended like 12 hours ago
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 5, 2009 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
we didn't trade Teahen for two backups
Getz is playing 2nd and Callaspo is either on the bench or out of town for a light-hitting toolsy outfielder
Hoping that the Tigers fire Leyland and steal Trey Hillman from the Royals
even if bert ends up DHing....
and fields is our new Teahen 4 corners guy, we improved
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 5, 2009 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
having two 70 OPS+ guys replace one 90 OPS+ guy is not an improvement
even if you add their OPS+’s
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two guys with upside for a guy that needed to be DFAd
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 5, 2009 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
they've been showing Chicago their downside a lot
once again
having two 70 OPS+ guys replace one 90 OPS+ guy is not an improvement
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once again….even if we cut both of these guys, its a good move by dayton
teahen NEEDED to be non tendered at his salary and our budget
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 5, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
Teahen was going to be nontendered
We essentially got something for NOTHING. Something for NOTHING is ALWAYS a good deal.
getz was equal to teahen last year as a player
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 5, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
What's even better
is trading SOMETHING for NEGATIVE VALUE WITH A LARGE PRICE TAG
(see Yuniesky Betancourt for Derrick Saito and Dan Cortes, 2009).
"You know what, I mean I cried in bed for a while, moaning 'Why!? Why did this have to happen?'"
Zack Greinke on the Brad Pitt - Jennifer Aniston split
Yes, I really enjoyed that trade
Made me question if I would even go to another game this last year. I did, but only because I wanted the GB statue, and my parents gave me tickets for the Red Sox game they weren’t using on T-shirt Tuesday.
wait a minute
for a guy who barely hit better than Betancourt.
Getz has decent track records in the minors and last year was his rookie year… i think his upside is real while Betancourt’s upside is probably what we saw last season.
Bottom line: How can you hate this trade so much? Callaspo will play somewhere next year… this isn’t the end of Bert. And we freed up $4MM… i don’t see where the hatred comes from.
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by CollininCalifornia on Nov 5, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
which position is Bert playing if Getz starts at 2nd?
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not sure... i'd say most probable is DH
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by CollininCalifornia on Nov 5, 2009 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
you forgot about Guillen
so Callaspo hangs out on the bench for at least 6 weeks until Guillen hurts himself, or powerplays himself back into right field
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you're assuming like 28283 things....
when we’re half of a day into the offseason….
you’re assuming that davey is here, you’re assuming that we dont get a good offer for bert, you’re assuming that they’re planning on jogui playing RF every day, you’re assuming that 2008 Kila is the real Kila, etc
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 5, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
we're trading DDJ for some more 70 OPS+ guys?
Guillen is going to play DH
Kila is going to play in Omaha or Japan
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thats where he belongs if his entire minor league career save 2008 is to be believed
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 5, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
wait
you’re thinking that I think that 2008 Kila is the real Kila?
you haven’t read my stuff much, have you?
Hoping that the Tigers fire Leyland and steal Trey Hillman from the Royals
i dont remember what you said about him....
but i think that fields is another guy like him…who could possibly have upside….why not have them fight for the DH job in spring….
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 5, 2009 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
eh... i don't think the Royals will ignore Callaspo's bat like you're saying
but what if there is more shake-up coming? Or what if Guillen has already powerplayed himself back into RF? Then the DH spot is open as soon as we get rid of Jacobs
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by CollininCalifornia on Nov 5, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
IF Getz wins the job
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by CollininCalifornia on Nov 5, 2009 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
Wow, there are a lot of dominoes that could fall with this one
this trade could affect: LF or RF or 3B or 2B or 1B or DH
The question is what this trade is a leadup to—releasing Jacobs? good thing. Selling low on Gordon? bad thing. Trading Callaspo? depends but I don’t think last year was a total fluke.
And if it happens with a return like Yuni for AG
I seriously will quit this team until a new GM is in place.
maybe dayton has a team madly in love with gordon
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 5, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
I'd be fine with trading Alex, but I don't think the deal I would want is possible at this time
as this has to be AG’s lowest point so far in terms of perceived value.
tis true....
but we just got a good deal for teahen when he shouldve had no value, so its possible
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 5, 2009 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
Hey 25 stolen bases in 27 attempts
I’ll take it. I like the competition for Callaspo and Gordon too. We still need a big bat as a DH. How about Matsui! I just watched him be clutch for the Yankees
by GobbleforCyoung on Nov 5, 2009 12:52 PM EST reply actions
Not that this would ever happen
but a platoon of Kila/Fields at DH would be cheap and probably pretty good.
by nwroyal on Nov 5, 2009 12:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
good idea... hadn't thought of that
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by CollininCalifornia on Nov 5, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
And a hell of a lot cheaper (and almost certainly more productive) than...
Jacobs/Guillen
"Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it." -Hal McRae
"I was doing this when BJ was in his father's nutsack." -Renzo Gracie
by Sweep_the_Leg on Nov 5, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
did I wake up in 1979?
and Hideki would go back to Japan if the Yankees don’t want him any more.
Hoping that the Tigers fire Leyland and steal Trey Hillman from the Royals
25 steals in 27 attempts is actually valuable..
and gets didnt embarrass himself as a rookie last year and put up sweet OBP numbers in the minors
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 5, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
cant be any worse than Yuni out there
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 5, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
"We need to understand on-base percentage" - DM
November 5th, 2009: Dayton Moore acquires Josh Fields (.302 career OBP in 746 PA)
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by BHWick on Nov 5, 2009 1:04 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
You, in this mode you're currently in, isn't worth talking too.
Coffee. The NEW Performance Enhancing drug for Sport's Writers. Just ask Ken Rosenthal.
True, and
Fields looks to be actually worse than Jacobs.
cheap though
jacobs at 400k off the bench isnt terrible…neither is fields
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 5, 2009 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly
and you can out him on the AAA roster without much trouble. Easy call on this one: even if they are depth that do not make the 25 man, it upgrades the top part of our minor system to deal with injuries. And we now have 4+ million more dollars to make moves on the major league roster, like trying to get a CF.
Could the money saved on this trade allow them to resign Coco to a resonable contract (which would help our team)?
by bas on Nov 5, 2009 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
That's what will make this trade worthwhile...
Using the money to sign someone good (a starter would be good for me).
It is. However, he's seeing Moore hatrid and it's running his train of thought in everything. I'll respond to him when he's thought about it for a week or so...
I think Fields was a throw in…
Coffee. The NEW Performance Enhancing drug for Sport's Writers. Just ask Ken Rosenthal.
Dave Cameron's thoughts on Fangraphs
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/teahen-to-the-white-sox
Applauding DM for once
"You know what, I mean I cried in bed for a while, moaning 'Why!? Why did this have to happen?'"
Zack Greinke on the Brad Pitt - Jennifer Aniston split
dcdumbass whats up man
having fun in fantasy?
by GobbleforCyoung on Nov 5, 2009 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
Haha whats up gobble
I kinda went dark around the 130-game mark in the season, started a website with a couple friends. Balancing that with first year of law school.
"You know what, I mean I cried in bed for a while, moaning 'Why!? Why did this have to happen?'"
Zack Greinke on the Brad Pitt - Jennifer Aniston split
Oh nice good luck with that
One of my Vassar friends graduated from Columbia law school and is working in DC now for a big firm.
First year law school salaries are ridiculous. He’s making 160k or something crazy right that.
Hit those books kid and you’ll be rolling in the dough in no time!
by GobbleforCyoung on Nov 5, 2009 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
Haha yea that's the plan
already put in a year at a DC firm as a legal assistant, but got tired of making copies and getting coffee. Ready for real work/real money.
"You know what, I mean I cried in bed for a while, moaning 'Why!? Why did this have to happen?'"
Zack Greinke on the Brad Pitt - Jennifer Aniston split
Teahen is a great guy and one of the most entertaining Royals
His .242 average with RISP (.172 with 2 outs, RISP) drove me absolutely batty though. I still don’t know how I feel about what we got for him, though. I’m really not a big fan of Fields and his “holier than thou” attitude.
- W. Bloomquist homered to deep center
- P. Earth explodes
that'll get old real fast....
but i’ll be over having to see teahen’s ugly face on TV cracking jokes in the dugouts every night
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 5, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
so then he'll fit right in with Moore and Hillman
Teahen had a good first half but really struggled as the year went on. And he was terrible in 2008. I always here people complaining about not having good AAA options. Even if these two don’t improve at all we now we have those options.
by GobbleforCyoung on Nov 5, 2009 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
lookie here....gobble coming in with some logic...
i like it…keep it up
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 5, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
yeah man Im pretty high right now
smoking some good herb increases logic
by GobbleforCyoung on Nov 5, 2009 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
Wick,
don’t focus on Fields – this deal was more about Getz, IMHO.
To answer the poster asking about implications:
Jacobs non tendered = good
Callaspo traded = could be good or bad
Olivo resigned with the $4m flexibility = bad
Callaspo to 3B or OF, with perhaps Gordon to 1B and Butler to DH = possibly good (much improved defense everywhere)
Mr Glass, this is a pro sports team, not a retail store - run it like one!
Will all the Idiots
who named their first borns Teahan please stand up
Hell Yesss
by Grinder Rule #42 on Nov 5, 2009 1:15 PM EST reply actions
I swear
I heard 3 different callers to 610 this spring call in talkin bout how they named their kids Teahan.
Hell Yesss
by Grinder Rule #42 on Nov 5, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
1. why name your son after someone who isnt good
2. teahen is a godawful name
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 5, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
3. Teahan is even worse than Teahen
"You know what, I mean I cried in bed for a while, moaning 'Why!? Why did this have to happen?'"
Zack Greinke on the Brad Pitt - Jennifer Aniston split
connor is way cooler than mark....
and he’s on the soon to be national championship bball team
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 5, 2009 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
Let's not be divisive
during this, the rare day that Royals fans can enjoy a slight bit of pride for their GM
"You know what, I mean I cried in bed for a while, moaning 'Why!? Why did this have to happen?'"
Zack Greinke on the Brad Pitt - Jennifer Aniston split
my bad...you're right..
even gobble is agreeing with the masses….and this is the guy who loved the jacobs AND yuni trades
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 5, 2009 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
He's high
His performance today deserves an asterisk in the record books of RR
"You know what, I mean I cried in bed for a while, moaning 'Why!? Why did this have to happen?'"
Zack Greinke on the Brad Pitt - Jennifer Aniston split
Speaking of high
where’s Billymojo been lately? :)
by hunter s. royal on Nov 5, 2009 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
i might send something his way next time DM makes a stupid trade...
just so i dont have to listen to his justifications of 3 years of Yuni
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 5, 2009 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
So marijuana causes calmness & sociability?
I like this trade. I think one of these guys is going to pan out and be a good player for us. Teahen was dead weight
by GobbleforCyoung on Nov 5, 2009 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
I believe that's exactly what it causes
and for you, it seems to cause cogent thoughts and coherent sentences.
"You know what, I mean I cried in bed for a while, moaning 'Why!? Why did this have to happen?'"
Zack Greinke on the Brad Pitt - Jennifer Aniston split
and massive jumps in baseball IQ
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 5, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
is Teahannibal an acceptable name for your kids?
Hoping that the Tigers fire Leyland and steal Trey Hillman from the Royals
think you've been smoking
the Teahannabis
"He once had an awkward moment, just to see how it felt...he lives vicariously...through himself- He is the most interesting man in the world"
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Nov 5, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
why not Callaspo at DH?
2009 Royals DH’s: .212/.283/.378
Alberto Callaspo: .300/.356/.457
I think that’d be an upgrade.
The best way to use this trade..
Getz to second, Aviles to short, Callaspo to right.
Go Royals!
Aviles will never be seen again
I feel certain of that fact. Not with Yuni, Bloomy, Callaspo and Getz all around.
im so excited right now, i feel like dayton's ready to actually clean house....
be gone bloomy, be gone Yuni (impossible until probably june or so when aviles has proven himself to be better), be gone jacobs, be gone olivo etc
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 5, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
That's really wishful thinking
Somehow, he’s going to go and make the team worse, much worse. Just wait. Bloomy will probably get an extension for 5 years and $20M.
I think he'll be in Omaha the whole year
I don’t see Moore replacing his guy Betancourt with a one year wonder coming off Tommy surgery.
Overall I think this trade is good, and almost seems counter to last years moves of bringing in older, more expensive guys and giving up young pitchers by doing so. We didn’t have to part with any young pitchers (Dayton’s currency that is) and got replacements for Jacobs and Crisp getting pushed off the cliff by Royals management.
Hopefully this opens the door for Kila to get a shot as a DH
by GobbleforCyoung on Nov 5, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
Another option
Callaspo to 3B, Gordon to RF, Guillen to DH, Fields as super utility, Getz at 2B, Aviles as utility IF.
Bench would be Fields, Aviles, Bloomquist, and the backup catcher. Plenty of flexibility.
Mr Glass, this is a pro sports team, not a retail store - run it like one!
by loyal2sdad on Nov 5, 2009 1:25 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
there won't be that much shuffling
Getz will be starting in CF. Moore wants his speed there and won’t risk moving Callaspo and fuck up his productivity as a 2nd baseman
by GobbleforCyoung on Nov 5, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
can he do CF?
if he can…this trade goes from A to A++
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 5, 2009 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
can you still get high billy
hope the court isn’t mandating shit like the pee cup
by GobbleforCyoung on Nov 5, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
unsupervised...
30 hours community service and a weekend of non drinking due to an early morning drug class
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 5, 2009 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
The Sox were is trouble CF wise this year,
So probably not, but let’s hope.
disagree
not saying they will get this done – but I think they really want to bring Crisp back (at relatively low guarantee + playing time incentives)
Mr Glass, this is a pro sports team, not a retail store - run it like one!
hell...if getz is passable in CF...
this trade gets even awesomer
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 5, 2009 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
Gobble, that's the first time I've ever Rec'd one of your posts.
I can’t believe we actually agree on something.
wow
we’ll be starting Getz in CF? the Getz with 0 career games in CF in the minors and majors?
not happening, unless Willie Bloomquist gets hurt or Jeff Kings us.
Hoping that the Tigers fire Leyland and steal Trey Hillman from the Royals
Yeah, I just looked that up and saw that he hadn't played but 15 games in LF in the minors
So, I don’t know why I thought he could play CF. I do like this trade less if it somehow puts Callaspo out of our lineup, but I still think something for nothing is good.
What are everyone's thoughts
on who initiated this deal? DMGM or KW?
id bet my left foot on kw offeringg it up
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 5, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
That was my initial thought too.
Though I can see Dayton being so embarrassed about this year that he wanted to do something quickly so he can start spinning next year to season ticket holders.
by hunter s. royal on Nov 5, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
the one thing that keeps popping into my head is...
dayton possibly requiring fields b/c he’s got a badass offer for gordon in hand
badass in our minds vs badass in daytons mind could be two entirely different beasts though
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 5, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, as nwroyal pointed out above
this could lead to many moves, and while some could be good(perhaps selling high on Bert) if it means we dump Gordon at his low point in value it could be disastrous.
We just need to have faith in our front office.
by hunter s. royal on Nov 5, 2009 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
he's got it until his next dumb move
look at all the positivity….and some on here thought we were all too pessimistic….we’ll applaud dayton when necessary
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 5, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
Yea, just making a joke with the sarc font.
This trade certainly has some positive potential.
by hunter s. royal on Nov 5, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
positive potential with really no negative potential
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 5, 2009 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
Well, it has negative potential
There is the potential for Callaspo and/or Gordon to lose AB’s. That’s a negative. It might not happen, but the potential exists.
if that happens...its on the manager....
daytons giving him options
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 5, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
wow, that's cynical!
I like it.
Mr Glass, this is a pro sports team, not a retail store - run it like one!
mr vendor man...you should be totally on board with this.....
where’s the daughter been?
she smart enough to give up on the royals?
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 5, 2009 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
she pretty much shuts it down during the offseason.
So much so, in fact, that if I don’t keep her updated on the hotstove action, she might not know about any changes until opening day.
In her defense, I think she has been busier than normal this year with school, and working more hours, and with a boyfriend (whom it appears may be the one….)
Mr Glass, this is a pro sports team, not a retail store - run it like one!
Gordon has to stay
doesn’t make sense to sell low on him
Mr Glass, this is a pro sports team, not a retail store - run it like one!
it definitely does not
but we’ll see what happens….i have a newfound confidence in dayton….even if just for one day
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 5, 2009 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
you all are confused
Larry Johnson was the one who got suspended for going bonkers on Twitter, NOT Jose Guillen
Jose Guillen is still a member of this team, and will be playing DH. There will be no competition for DH and Josh Fields will get too many of Gordon’s at-bats as they split time at 3rd.
Hoping that the Tigers fire Leyland and steal Trey Hillman from the Royals
Sadly
I think this has an element of truth to it.
That’s what I mean. On it’s own, its a wash/slightly good trade. The knock on implications of it could be awful.
This will be an oft-repeated statement
But it is wayyyy too early to make these kinds of predictions. It is the first day of the offseason. Clearly last offseason was a disaster, but you can’t really judge it until we get into next season.
"You know what, I mean I cried in bed for a while, moaning 'Why!? Why did this have to happen?'"
Zack Greinke on the Brad Pitt - Jennifer Aniston split
or at least through next month
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 5, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
Yes
The point is, BHWick is looking at this trade as if it is the last trade of the offseason. The big picture is that this move cuts an expensive, dead weight player and gives us two guys who, at the bare minimum, can play serviceable major league baseball at around the league minimum.
Any speculation about Gordon’s playing time, Guillen’s continued play in RF is premature.
That said, if your predictions have come true come June or July, I will apologize.
"You know what, I mean I cried in bed for a while, moaning 'Why!? Why did this have to happen?'"
Zack Greinke on the Brad Pitt - Jennifer Aniston split
to clarify on Fields/Gordon
Fields should play 3rd with LHP on the mound. But Hillman is a dolt who doesn’t understand platooning and Fields is going to play for Gordon against RHP at random
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so, you're admitting that fields is a good platoon guy to have....and you still hate this?
and getz is an equal player to teahen
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 5, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
On what basis?
I like the deal in isolation. But Teahen as a baseball player independent of salary is better than both of the players we got back.
teahen last year was not better than getz
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 5, 2009 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
Fields is not going to be used as a platoon guy
Hillman isn’t smart enough to figure out platoons.
Fields v.
LHP: .285/.356/.580, 16 HR, 218 PA
RHP: .206/.280/.348, 15 HR, 528 PA
a 27 year old platoon hitter who is a LHB is probably questionable, a 27 year old platoon hitter who is a RHB is rare.
Plus, Hillman is a dolt.
Hoping that the Tigers fire Leyland and steal Trey Hillman from the Royals
we're progressing....
now you dont like it b/c our manager is a retard (which i can see)…that i can somewhat agree with. However, this trade improves our roster, roster flexibility and budget concerns
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 5, 2009 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't use that word
Hillman sucks at most facets of his job.
Fields might start playing against LHP, then Hillman will run him out there every day and see his numbers shrink as RHP crave Fields up every day.
Example: Willie Bloomquist. Only Willie sucked at 5 positions and Fields will only play 3rd.
I’m comfortable with the idea of Gordon not seeing a lot of LHP.
Hoping that the Tigers fire Leyland and steal Trey Hillman from the Royals
Maybe he's dumb enough to make it happen?
Coffee. The NEW Performance Enhancing drug for Sport's Writers. Just ask Ken Rosenthal.
He may understand the concept,
but denies its significance none-the-less. (Fits in perfectly with the organizational braintrust)
Mr Glass, this is a pro sports team, not a retail store - run it like one!
I live by the stadiums
And I was driving to work yesterday morning. As I was driving, I noticed a car in a hurry that needed to turn left, as I was going straight past. The car sped up then slowed down when they saw it’d hit me (not quite as dramatic as it sounds…just a normal misjudgement). So, I took a better look at the driver (as we’re prone to do in such situations) and it was Daytown Moore, going to work.
He was talking excitedly into a headset. I can only assume I was witness to the start of this trade.
or he was singing karaoke while driving
angle for a job as compensation for the damages to your car. ;)
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Hahaha, I mean,
While we’d be waiting for the cops we’d have a chance to chat about offseason moves…maybe I made the wrong choice here…
if you thought the cops were far from Raytown Road
you could ask for an explanation of the process.
Ok, I forget if Blue Ridge Cutoff or Raytown Road is the entrance of choice for Kansans going to the TSC.
Only that I made a left onto Raytown Road out of TSC and came way too close to hitting a car
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Raytown Road is used by employees and
is definitely the back way. I work in South KC, so I take it over to 435 every morning.
I love how TSC is on one corner of 435/70
and there’s not a lot of easy/logical ways to get from 435/70 to the TSC. Nice planning guys.
But I used Sni-a-Bar to Blue Parkway and that was a nifty route into KC, aside from cutting through a neighborhood east of the interstate
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Seems pretty easy to me, really
Except it gets crowded for big games. But if you know about Raytown Road you can be in the stadium extremely quickly.
I end up taking a back route
that involves Manchester Trafficway and a right off of Stadium Drive when I live northeast of the stadium
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what kind of car does he drive?
Coffee. The NEW Performance Enhancing drug for Sport's Writers. Just ask Ken Rosenthal.
see below...
Coffee. The NEW Performance Enhancing drug for Sport's Writers. Just ask Ken Rosenthal.
What kind of car?
Dayton drives a Lexus RX 400..which is kind of wimpy SUV for a guy.
im sure he prayed on his car choice....
god led him to lexus
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 5, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
Good God, that's terrible.
Those are explicitly reserved for rich soccer moms.
"Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it." -Hal McRae
"I was doing this when BJ was in his father's nutsack." -Renzo Gracie
by Sweep_the_Leg on Nov 5, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
Is it possible he was just driving his wife's car both days...
because his Mercedes E63 AMG was in the shop?
"Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it." -Hal McRae
"I was doing this when BJ was in his father's nutsack." -Renzo Gracie
by Sweep_the_Leg on Nov 5, 2009 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe he was mouthing to me
“I own a Hummer!”
They should have a magnetic sign you could put on the car...
that says “FYI: This IS the wife’s vehicle. No making fun, please.” For those sorts of situations.
"Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it." -Hal McRae
"I was doing this when BJ was in his father's nutsack." -Renzo Gracie
by Sweep_the_Leg on Nov 5, 2009 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
what if he was having to drive players to the park
how many cars can seat Betancourt, Willie Bloomquist, Roman Colon and John Bale?
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Presumably Fields will compete for the DH job.
Maybe Surely I haven’t had enough coffee today – so I may have missed your sarcasm – but didn’t Fields hit .222 last year?
maybe you need more coffee to remember how crappy our team is
we don’t WANT him to be the DH, it’s just that he might be the best option on the roster
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CAUTION: Extremely wishful thinking follows...
Is it possible that a big part of this move was to free up payroll to eat all or part of Guillen’s contract? Please?
"Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it." -Hal McRae
"I was doing this when BJ was in his father's nutsack." -Renzo Gracie
That would be nice.
Hoagy as DH against LHP might be useful, but it’s hard to see Trey limiting him to that.
by hunter s. royal on Nov 5, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
the only way that Guillen isn't on the opening day roster
is if he is unable to enter the United States
Hoping that the Tigers fire Leyland and steal Trey Hillman from the Royals
Alright...then does anyone work at, or know somebody
at the State Department or Homeland Security?
"Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it." -Hal McRae
"I was doing this when BJ was in his father's nutsack." -Renzo Gracie
by Sweep_the_Leg on Nov 5, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
Anyone remember this?
Last year someone (Petro?) asked Moore about acquiring/signing Jack Wilson, and Moore said for the price of Wilson, he could only keep 2 of the following 5: Teahen, Buck, Jacobs, DDJ, and Oilvo.
With Teahen gone, the only lock to return is DDJ. Could Moore be moving towards acquiring a real piece in free agency?
If so, I am firmly in support of this trade.
Don't know.
Another starter to put Hoch and Davies in the pen?
he wants to stay with his wife and kids...
until he gets tired of them in April
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by CollininCalifornia on Nov 5, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
Just when we think there aren't any more terrible OBP guys...
GMDM finds one in Fields. I hate this move, not because I liked Teahen all that much but because this move is like all the others.
This space for rent.
So did Jakers... And Guillen, and Olivo.
at the start of the day my look on baseball was like that of Frodo’s look in the end of the third Lord of the Rings. I just dont see how things will ever get better. Yankees keep spending and keep winning, GMDM keeps getting bad players.
I really have been depressed about the Yanks winning the series, and Buster Olney speculates that teams wont be willing to spend in arbitration anymore then the rich teams will just gobble those players up too. I guess best case scenario GMDM is creating room for a Free Agent, but I dont remember seeing any that really get me excited.
This space for rent.
by averagegatsby on Nov 5, 2009 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
Fields is awesome
provided that he never hits against RHP. But Trey is a mangenius and he will give Fields way too much time vs. RHP
like how he started Jacobs against random LHP until he figured out IN FREAKING JULY that Jacobs sucked vs. LHP
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So your saying to platoon Fields with Jakers?
This space for rent.
by averagegatsby on Nov 5, 2009 8:22 PM EST up reply actions
This makes 2 years in a row that we've kicked off the offseason
Last year, the season ended with the Phillies winning on October 29th. The morning of October 30th, Leo Nunez went to Florida for Mike Jacobs in what I think was the first trade of the offseason. Here we are again.
This trade does not approach that level of suckitude
But I suppose it could if AC and AG are moved so Getz and Fields can play 2nd and 3rd. If that happens, I think I’m done.
I wonder if this deal was about Fields or Getz...
I’m really just having a hard time understanding this deal, not really because I think it is bad or anything, just… I’m still not really understanding it
but it’s approriate that this is how Teahen goes out, he was always an enigmatic player
RR
I really, really, really think this trade was basically Teahen for Getz. Fields is a throw-in. If he works out and reclaims his 07 form, then he is barely OK, otherwise he could at least be a cheap bench player.
Getz is the guy, IMHO. I am convinced that GMDM was hellbent on getting Callaspo’s glove off of 2B. So essentially, he will have to make another 1 or 2 wise decisions to make this trade seem meaningful enough to warrant all the attention we are giving it…
Mr Glass, this is a pro sports team, not a retail store - run it like one!
and those 1 or 2 wise decisions would be:
1) whether to keep or trade Callaspo,
AND
2) if keeping him, where to play him, and what effect on the rest of the roster that decision might have
Mr Glass, this is a pro sports team, not a retail store - run it like one!
It will be interesting to hear an interview from someone about this
Mr Glass, this is a pro sports team, not a retail store - run it like one!
WAR, 2009
Getz: 0.3 (minus 7.3 hitting, minus 4.9 fielding)
Fields: minus -0.8 (minus 10.2 hitting, minus 5.4 fielding)
Teahen: 0.2 (minus 3.9 hitting, minus 12.2 fielding)
Callaspo: 2.8 (plus 11 hitting, minus 6.6 fielding)
UZR/150 at 3rd
Fields: minus 11.6
Teahen: minus 10.9
UZR/150 at 2nd
Getz: minus 6.7
Callaspo: minus 7.5
Ok.. the difference between Getz and Callaspo is almost entirely lost when you add Fields for Teahen.
Ok.. the difference between Getz and Callaspo is almost entirely lost when you add Fields for Teahen.Getz for Teahen is closer to being justifiable, but Fields sinks the deal. And Getz replacing Callaspo makes this deal an epic fail.
Hoping that the Tigers fire Leyland and steal Trey Hillman from the Royals
if you look at Getz on minorleaguesplits.com, you'll see that he has been a good/decent defender
http://www.minorleaguesplits.com/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?pl=460051
which brings the true-talent comparison of Getz to Teahen to about even, imo
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depends
What if they move Callaspo for something we need, like a SP?
Of for viable, cheap bullpen arms?
Or for appropriate minor league talent?
Granted, Moore would have to not screw up the trade…
Mr Glass, this is a pro sports team, not a retail store - run it like one!
what if dumping your hot GF leads to picking up a supermodel
what if trading in your hybrid for a hummer leads to you trading your SUV in for a hybrid?
Getz is being awarded by TPJ Syndrome.
Hoping that the Tigers fire Leyland and steal Trey Hillman from the Royals
As an aside
When did the format for the Sports Nation blogs change?
hah
not much i guess. i wanted to see about its 30% faster claim.
well. i’ll say it’s 50% faster… but that might be because it’ll only show you half of the content
i’m sticking w/ firefox for now
I have to use Chrome...
because I refuse to use IE, and something is causing my Firefox to run at a crawl. ESPN takes a good minute and a half to load, which at one point in time would have been awesome, but since its nearly 2010 I have to use Chrome instead. I guess I could just reformat the harddrive and start over, but Im much too lazy.
This space for rent.
by averagegatsby on Nov 5, 2009 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
Im not a fan of musicals
This space for rent.
by averagegatsby on Nov 5, 2009 7:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Don't like this trade at all
Leaving aside my personal feelings for Teahen, is this another halfhearted rebuilding effort?
What the hell does Chris Getz do for this team if he’s not even that much better than Callaspo in the field?
Why are they still refusing to trade for young prospects? I’m talking 18-20, not 25.
This looks like just the latest example of Dayton’s laughable attempts to patch a broken dam.
Twitter: awolfson0
i think they take plenty of 19-21 yr olds
in the draft… too many for my taste. I’d like to see them take more college talent. But they did take some mid-level college talent in this last draft, so maybe they have a (gasp) process in mind
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by CollininCalifornia on Nov 5, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
errr... 19 yr olds... not 19-21 yrs olds... they wouldn't be in high school anymore
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by CollininCalifornia on Nov 5, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
might be tough for DM
How do you evaluate grit on the playground?
In addition, it’s hard to see if the numbers they put up in teeball are sustainable
I told a friend about this trade
Said it didn’t make sense.
He replied, “I thought you guys needed a corner infielder.”
Twitter: awolfson0
we still do
i’d rather get kicked in the crotch than watch Josh Fields play every day. Fields is going to be good vs. LHP (25-33% of the time) and craptacular the rest of the time.
Hoping that the Tigers fire Leyland and steal Trey Hillman from the Royals
By the way, don't count on another trade that "explains" this one
Remember when we all thought Ryan Freel was a portend?
Twitter: awolfson0
DOB time
Getz: 8/30/1983 (26)
Fields: 12/14/1982 (27)
Teahen: 8/6/1981(28)
Jeff Passan is brutalizing this trade on 610 right now. Mentioning how Teahen for Franklin Gutierrez didn’t occur.
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by BHWick on Nov 5, 2009 3:48 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
summary
1) Getz and Fields are too old
2) they’re not an improvement
3) the Royals problems were offense, catching the ball and baserunning, and they just traded their best baserunner
4) The Royals philosophy is scatterbrained
5) they trade for On-Base Suck-holes (?)
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stolen bases are overrated
how good is Getz’s SBs if he’s not getting on base and his OPS+ is Yuni-riffic?
Hoping that the Tigers fire Leyland and steal Trey Hillman from the Royals
getz and fields are the perfect age....
we’re getting their prime years for the minimum while we were paying $5 for Teahen replacement level prime
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Nov 5, 2009 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
Teahen
watching him hit was always the most painful event during a Royals game.
Nothing like watch a big dude pop up to shallow left.
If Fields can find his swing, maybe we win.
I’m still waiting for a Farnworth/Guillen to Toronto for Wells and cash trade.
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Another Position Change Possibility
Amidst all this nattering about position changes, might Aviles see time in RF thanks to his new, surgically enhanced arm? A nagging part of me thinks he Treyton, in its unending quest to fit square pegs into positional round holes, could trot him out there.
I’m not proposing he will play RF exclusively, nor will he start there. They could give it a try, though, provided his offense returns to its serviceable (and on the Royals that means Hall-of-Fame quality) status.
Since they won’t be able to make Teahen play every position next year, someone will have to assume the yolk of uber-utilityman.
For the record, I am in the camp that thinks Mikey is doomed to obscurity as long as he is part of this organization. I’m just throwing out a possibility I haven’t seen discussed on this thread yet.
I've contracted a particularly virulent form of the R2D2 asshat virus. Please wash eyeballs & keyboard after contact.
not a bad guess actually
although I still think that they’ll just take the second option and basically not play him
KC Star says reports are "premature"
My hope is that Dayton is playing the two sox (red and white) against each other and somehow we end up with Pedrioia and Ellsbury instead.
i dont want em...i hate both of those fuckers
i will switch my allegiances if either of those assholes, or bucholz or youk ever suit up for my team
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Nov 5, 2009 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah....
Guys that know how to win are tough to stomach
This thread just proves
That the fans of this team were desperate for this offseason to finally start.
If you look closely, it really says "CentralChamps2012."
by CentralChamps2009 on Nov 5, 2009 5:00 PM EST reply actions
Odd, then
That it’s a New York newspaper that broke the story in the first place.
Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!
Haven't you heard?
They do everything better in New York.
If you look closely, it really says "CentralChamps2012."
by CentralChamps2009 on Nov 6, 2009 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
D-bag/In-car BJ recipient Keitzman
and lap-dog Clinkscale also disapprove of the trade…evil Glass “lining his pockets”.
Keitzman should be Stan Cramer’s successor on an investigative segment that absolutely nobody watches. Let’s see how many of the following tired-ass words/phrases we can fit into one commentary:
“cash grab”
“cronies”
“shocking”
“lining his pockets”
“making a pile of money”
“secret meeting”
“smoke-filled room”
the ONLY reason people listen to that abortion of a show is b/c 610 is so pathetically awful by comparison.
"He once had an awkward moment, just to see how it felt...he lives vicariously...through himself- He is the most interesting man in the world"
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Nov 5, 2009 5:01 PM EST reply actions
Meh Kietz isn't bad all the time
Sometimes he has a soapbox…ok, entirely too often he has a soapbox, but I’m not going to get on him for not liking this trade.
I will get on him for not liking this trade because of his means of measurement which was akin to…, “Fields & Getz combined didn’t = the amount of RBI put up by Teahen last year.”
BOOM! ROASTED!
And 610
Is Gawd Awful 90% of the time. If they didn’t spend so much time pointing out the perceived weaknesses of the guys on 810 (which still consistently crush them in the ratings) it might be palatable, but if I hear Nick Wright talk about, “The D-Bag down the dial that claimed he was GUARANTEEING that Matt Cassel would play in week one when I KNEW DIFFERENT & I TOLD YOU ALL…blahblahblah.” I’d be a much happier listener
And, I went to HS w/ Chris of the Chris & Cowboy show…he was a DBag then, he’s a DBag now
BOOM! ROASTED!
In-car BJ Recipient???
That would make him my hero!
yeah, if it was his wife
and not some skank that worked at the station.
besides that, he’s just a negative, petty and bitter person. it comes out on the radio and i don’t understand why more people don’t see it. or, the boobs at 610 need to figure out how to run a radio station.
"He once had an awkward moment, just to see how it felt...he lives vicariously...through himself- He is the most interesting man in the world"
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Nov 5, 2009 5:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
she was a hot skank....
but yes, he is a dbag, hot intern in car bj scoring ability notwithstanding
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Nov 5, 2009 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
He was tolerable years ago
Now, I can hardly listen to him as he is always either manufacturing motives that people supposedly possess when there is no way he could know about, trying to hatch some absurd scheme i.e give Larry Johnson’s salary to charity, or complaining about the coverage his alma mater gets on TV sportscasts. His dismissive manner with callers that disagree with hm at times make me want to come through my radio.
got a really bad visual from that
“coming through the radio”
"He once had an awkward moment, just to see how it felt...he lives vicariously...through himself- He is the most interesting man in the world"
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Nov 5, 2009 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
It is irresponsible to leave this article posted when both sides have already said no trade occurred. For now, Teahen remains a Royal, and a big question mark on the upcoming season.
It'll be funny if this trade doesn't go through,
all but two or three of the fans commenting here out of 400ish comments are happy with the trade. If it falls through, all these compliments for Moore will be lost.
I used to work with an old man that told me. Son, every workplace has a dumbass, if you don't have one where you work, then I'm afraid you're it.
Maybe all the positivity on here made Moore re-neg (sp?)
He obviously doesn’t agree with this group on any of his other moves.
Ah, just figured it out.
They floated the idea to appease the instant gratification needing masses. Now, they’re teaching all of us a lesson in patience.
I used to work with an old man that told me. Son, every workplace has a dumbass, if you don't have one where you work, then I'm afraid you're it.
by Warden11 on Nov 5, 2009 6:23 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Sounds decent enough
Let’s just hope it works out. Oh, and goodbye Mr. Teahen. You’ll be missed by many a Royals fan, myself included.
If you watch Rambo backwards, it's Sylvester Stallone healing people with his magic bullet vacuum.
sorry if this was repeated elsewhere
supposedly the holdup is getz’s physical as he had a sports hernia repaired a while back.
"He once had an awkward moment, just to see how it felt...he lives vicariously...through himself- He is the most interesting man in the world"
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Nov 5, 2009 6:52 PM EST reply actions
Is a sports hernia
different from an ordinary hernia?
Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!
I like this trade overall
Teahen was a overrated player by the fans because of his nice persona in my mind. He was above agerage compared to other Royal players but that should never be the requirement. He is what he has always been a very average hitter with below average infield defense. Nice to get some minimum players with control for him even if they have limited upside.
Good luck to Teahen who should have a nice bounceback season considering his 838 career OPS in Chitowns digs.
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.
I like this trade, but I don't love it...yet
One way to look at it, that I’m honestly not sure has been brought up yet or not…
Fields was the 18th overall pick in the ’04 Draft
CAREER STATS
664 AB .302 OBA 31 HR 68 BB 226 K .718 OPS
Alex Gordon was the 2nd overall pick in ’05
CAREER STATS
1200 AB .331 OBP 37 HR 128 BB 300 K .746 OPS
Gordon was given the keys to the car alot earlier & w/ a lot less competition that Fields has been to this point in his career, but their numbers are comparable (save that .30 point difference in OBP/OPS they are really similar). We, well, some Royals fans still hold out hope that AG will break out & be a future star. I’ll argue that Fields has almost as good of a chance to do that as well – he is 1 year older, and wasn’t quite as “Can’t Miss” as AG.
The way I’m looking at it I guess, is that if we had traded Alex Gordon & (insert player similar to Getz on KC’s Roster, Anderson maybe?) for a player akin to Mark Teahen, I’d feel like we just got hosed.
BOOM! ROASTED!
Fields
is still only in the 700s in career PAs. If 600-1200 are the telltale sign of how good he’ll be, one more season should do it (although he is off to a terrible start in that second 600). 2010 is likely a lost season, anyhow. Giving young talent a chance to show if it can contribute in the long run is a perfectly legitimate goal for this season (maybe the most legitimate goal).
Look at it this way: I’d rather give Fields 500 PAs at DH to show if he can recover his promise than to JoGui as his body finishes falling apart.
If you look closely, it really says "CentralChamps2012."
by CentralChamps2009 on Nov 6, 2009 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with you, but
be careful not to fall into the “he’s better that Royals Player X” fallacy, a la Yuni is better than TPJ. (Of course I’m not comparing acquiring Fields to acquiring Yuni, because giving an untested player a chance is different than expecting a proven (bad) player to improve.)
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Generally I agree with you
But this would be an exception:
1) Fields may still have upside, Yuni had already shown he has none (you already note that).
2) Even with the $2M going to the White Sox in the trade, he’s cheap and thus not blocking cheaper (or possibly better) talent.
3) This is a stopgap year—there’s no spending money on a better than average RF/DH/1B-type this year. Might as well allow give cheap upside the bat than an expensive guy who sucks (his word, not mine). In my ideal world (i.e. I don’t care if we win 60 games next year if we don’t repeat the lunacy that was last offseason but instead give younger guys a chance to prove themselves), Fields and Kila would platoon at DH and be the 3B/1B backups and Maier would be in right getting into his second 600 plate appearances (I’ve accepted that we’re obtaining a CF this offseason).
If you look closely, it really says "CentralChamps2012."
by CentralChamps2009 on Nov 6, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
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