If you limit the Yankees Major League payroll from $200M to $100M (or whatever) without imposing a cap on the amount of money a team can spend on amateur and baseball operations talent, then really you aren’t helping anyone but the Yankees.
Why? Because if you knock that $50M off the Yankees payroll, that doesn’t mean they cannot spend it; instead, it simply means they must reallocate it to another part of the game. Now they can really go over-slot on a consistent basis. Or, if a hard-slotting system is imposed, they can reap the international talent market like none other. Not to mention the amount of front office talent they can add to the fold — ranging from scouts to quantitative analysis guys to medical staff and so on.
Living off free agency is usually a poor habit to fall into, because when signing a 30 – 32-year-old player, teams are paying for his past performances more than his future performances. By eliminating that practice for the Yankees, they can quickly develop the best farm system, player development, and front office staffs around and still have money to burn.
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Agreed with everything....
it’d be nuts if the yankees decided they wanted to go all out on scouts….like get the best scouts from everywhere by tripling their salary and then decided to throw another $20 million at the amateur market. They’d be unbeatable.
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 6, 2009 9:19 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
yeah, not to mention...
that they could probably buy the NPB league over in Japan
by AtTheWall on Nov 6, 2009 9:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well sure
A salary cap with no other preventative measures will increase or at least not impede the Yankee dominance. However, due to the union, the cap is the least likely change to ever take place — we’ll eventually see a slotting system, and after a while, probably a world wide draft all well before we ever see a cap.
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by Top Ramen on Nov 6, 2009 9:47 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather they spend their money on scouts and everything else than on payroll.
Seems like this simply points out how crazy talent acquisition really is in MLB.
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by Warden11 on Nov 6, 2009 10:03 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
agreed
glad the commenters generally poked holes in the article’s arguments. an infinite scouting/development system does not have the same upside as signing the likes of CC and Tex year in and year out.
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by benfunke on Nov 6, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
uhh....yes it does....
if the yanks take even $15 million of that $40 million that those spent on those two players alone and spent it on the draft and IFA, they’re likely to have at least 5 or 6 good cheap regulars…that they’d have cheaply for 6 years
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 6, 2009 12:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
also
if even the ROyals could afford another minor league team, what’s to stop the yankees from adding, say, 3 more, and not just in a-ball?
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by devil_fingers on Nov 6, 2009 12:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
nothing...nothing at all....
as this article states, nothing short of a full on, top to bottom equalizer helps a team like the royals.
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 6, 2009 12:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
here is what would happen following that arguement of a salary cap without draft cap
under the cap, the yankees announce to the world they will pay way, way over slot to all ametuer talent.
said talent then tells the other 29 teams dont draft them unless they will pay that much too.
other teams balk and 20 or so 1st round talents fall to the yankees in their first 20 picks
they spend 50 mil on the draft and have 20 1st round picks
by ZeppelinDZ on Nov 6, 2009 12:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not to mention sweeping the top 10 latin talents
and with all this, we’re still talking probably about the salaries of Burnett, CC and Tex combined for 1 year
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 6, 2009 12:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
we're going to disagree here
paying giant money to prospects seems like a failing strategy, in and of itself, but also the salary cap would still even things out as soon as these players hit the open market. the yankees would be throwing big dollars at unproven prospects just to get their pre-free-agency years, then the open market would distribute the players.
and if the yankees have 3x the minor league teams, then a prospect signing with them knows that he has 3x as many players to compete with to make the big leagues.
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by benfunke on Nov 6, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the problem with that logic
the ‘open market’ would distribute players equally among the Yankees and the rest of the league. The Yankees then, IN ADDITION, have their elite pre-FA players on top of that.
They can use their salary capped dollars to focus on a few elite FA, and their non-capped prospect dollars to fill in the rest. The rest of the league has to use their capped dollar to fill out entire teams!
paying giant money to prospects seems like a failing strategy
the return on investment might not be high, but there will always still be some return, a return that would be zero for every other franchise.
by ZeppelinDZ on Nov 6, 2009 6:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And they wouldn't have to pay
that much more than everyone else, and it woudl be significantly less than paying for ML players. And while many of them would fail (as with all prospects), by the force of sheer numbers they’d dominate.
for some reason I’m blanking on recent draft picks at the moment, but imagine (under the scenario DZ laid out) the Yankees getting Tim Beckham, Buster Posey, Alvarez, and Hosmer in 2008. In 2009 (among others) they draft Strausburg, Crow, Wil Myers, ((memory blanking). Next year they get Bryce Harper. Those wouldn’t be all the players, of course.
Now, they’d pay out a sh—- load of money, , but compared to FA salaries on those years, it would be nothing. Even if “only” Strausburg, Hosmer, and Harper meet their potential, and none of the other guys work out, we’re talking about having all those guys under team control for years… It’s hard not to imagine that team dominating. I’m not saying it’d be those three guys, but it’s hard to imagine three guys from that grou not becoming very good players by sheer combination of talent, luck, and most of all, numbers.
Yes, draft picks are dicey. but let’s just look at the #1 picks from 2000-2007.
2000: Adrian Gonzalez
2001: Joe Mauer
2002: Bryan Bullington
2003: Delmon Young
2004: Matt Bush
2005: Justin Upton
2006: Luke Hochevar
2007: David Price
Even throwing in the “WTF even at the time” Bush pick in there, a team that was able to draft all those guys, even with a total busts Delmon Young (If you think Gordon’s disappointing…), Bush, and Bullington in there, that’s a pretty great group of players: Mauer is one of the best players in baseball, Gonzalez one of the best hitter, Justin Upton has the potential to be one of the best (4.5 WAR at age 21 this season — two years younger than Butler and two wins better)… Hochevar isn’t totally useless, and Pric still has a lot of potential.
Anyway, you all get the idea. NOthing original here, just checking it out. Even if ONly Mauer, Gonzalez, and Upton worked out from that group… you’d have three of the best at their position in baseball.
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by devil_fingers on Nov 6, 2009 10:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, it doesn't.
Like I said earlier- shows how crazy talent acquisition is in MLB. Throw all players into the draft with a solid slotting system and a lot of problems go out the window.
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by Warden11 on Nov 6, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I've said it before
heavily progressive revenue sharing is the best way to promote parity
by ZeppelinDZ on Nov 6, 2009 10:08 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
yup
although also maybe having us nerds approve any GM hirings might be a good idea, too
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by devil_fingers on Nov 6, 2009 12:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
were you against the DM hiring when it happened?
I was definitely a fan, although it was a shortlived fandom.
When other smart teams like the Red Sox are interested in a guy and the royals get him, I figure it cant be a bad hire.
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 6, 2009 12:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't know either way
It’s weird to think how I thought about baseball then as opposed to how I do now
Like many, I thought the Meche contract was a horrible sign, then when it worked out well I got sucked in for a bit… Guillen made me wonder, and Jacobs sent me over the edge.
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by devil_fingers on Nov 6, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the concept of publicly traded franchises is very interesting
fans as shareholders? I have never put too much thought on the pros and cons of it, or who would/wouldn’t like the idea
fans with voting rights? as customers it doesn’t make sense, but as Jackson county taxpayers who buy stadiums… well that could work
by ZeppelinDZ on Nov 6, 2009 12:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i wrote an essay on this for comp 2 a few years and a few laptops ago....
i’d post it if i still had it. It was quite an awesome essay and after writing it, it seemed like an absolutely spectacular idea.
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 6, 2009 12:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it invovled Glass selling the team to those who would like to buy shares...
then having shareholders meetings to decide on a guy to run the team, hire the gm, whatever…
and this ended up in us not needing to trade Carlos Beltran
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 6, 2009 12:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Look at the big Spanish Soccer clubs
Real Madrid, Barcelona etc. Have a president who is elected by members (fans). Barcelona have over 100k of them. And they all campaign on the basis of what players they are going to bring in, how they will expand the stadium etc etc. The current guy at Barcelona was elected almost solely on the promise that he would sign David Beckham in 2003 for example.
The flipside is that these guys then run the club into huge debts, something an Owner/president is unlikely to do.
by kcbottom9th on Nov 6, 2009 12:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and Germans are awesome, soooo.
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 6, 2009 12:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Simple solution
Its a simple as a world draft. Hard slotting system and allow for draft pick trades. If you want to play in the MLB you must enter the draft. That would include Japanese players. If you do that then the organization who scouts and develops players better than others will succeed, and you take money out of the equation. In a perfect world I would also like to see a salary cap on the major league team, but this would be a start. But guess what, the MLB wants the Yankees in the world series every year so I am not holding my breath for any big changes.
by Poodge on Nov 6, 2009 11:41 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
i d ont really care either....
but as I said in an earlier thread….im not going to even consider complaining about it until we’re competently run and still cant compete
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 6, 2009 11:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Has anyone had the new sub sandwiches from Domino's?
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 6, 2009 12:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Wow, that seemed random
But, yes. They’re like everything else at Domino’s—nowhere near as good as anybody else’s, but, if you’re hungry and too lazy to cook or go out (as I often am), they’ll do.
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by CentralChamps2009 on Nov 6, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i was trying to decide what to order....
i went with the sausage and peppers…and it was really good
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