The Mark Teahen, Josh Fields, Chris Getz, Trade Analysis & Link Roundup
First, my own unsolicited take on this trade.
The news that took eighteen hours or so to emerge was not tremendously good for the Royals. Sending the White Sox $2 million dollars changes the complexion of this trade significantly. Don't get me wrong, it's still a minor deal in the grand scheme of things, but the real benefit to the deal is now much more murkier. The financial savings is murkier, and now, for this trade to work out, either Josh Fields or Chris Getz has to contribute to the Royals during their pre-arb years. Yesterday, there were two clear benefits to the move, now there is only one.
I understand that many of you were frustrated with Teahen's stagnation, but he was basically a generic player. He wasn't great, but he also wasn't part of the problem. (His defensive numbers have been pretty bad the last two seasons, but I consider that more a function of his playing all over the diamond and sample size issues. Which may be too generous.) I understand Dayton's desire to move him, but I also understand Kenny Williams's desire to have him. And in reality, the Royals and White Sox split the difference money-wise, a fitting gesture for such a "meh" trade that neither side really seems too fired up about.
I'm not really sure how to feel about this trade. Fields' career with the Pale Hose was over, so I'm happy he gets to see a new organization. I don't like that Getz is gone. Teahen has been worth .4 WAR combined over the past two seasons and has seen his walk rate drop each year since 2007. If he can get back to drawing walks like he did in 2006 and 2007, he can be valuable again. -South Side Sox
So now, the stakes, though still small, are raised for Fields and Getz. The Royals could have just let Teahen walk after all, so in effect, they bought the rights to Getz and Fields for two million. Neither player is actually that young, but both are still green in service time years, which does matter. There's a school of thought that suggests these are the best types of guys to have, mid-to-late twenties guys who are still cheap, while there's another school of thought that might argue that this is yet another non-rebuilding move from Moore. Personally, I know myself well enough to admit that if the Royals had gotten back some as-yet-unknown barely legal rookie ball prospect, I'd probably have been more excited.
In this case, we'll just have to... wait for it... trust the process, trust the scouting. Apparently Getz is the key to the deal for the Royals, with Fields being just another low OBP slugger with no glove (also another Born Again) who may or may not be a part of anything. I don't know. The curious thing is that at the very least the Getz trade should set in motion either a reconfiguration of the infield or another trade, or two. We'll just have to wait and see.
Pointlessly premature verdict: Cash to Chicago pushes this from a slightly interesting quasi-prospect grab to a mostly innocuous head-scratcher, for now.
A massive roundup of links about the trade and other matters after the jump:
- Royals trade Teahen for Fields and Getz, improve a little | Upon Further Review
- Mark Teahen for Chris Getz and Josh Fields Reaction | Kings of Kauffman | A Kansas City Royals Blog
- Royally Speaking: More on the trade with a little help from a friend
- Royalscentricity: Initial Reaction To The Rumored Mark Teahen Trade To The White Sox
- Big Donkeys: Disdain for deliverables
- La Russter's Millions - Viva El Birdos (includes Teahen talk)
- More on a rumored trade - SweetSpot by Rob Neyer - ESPN
- BREAKING - Royals Trade Mark Teahen
- Fire Dayton Moore: Possible trade: Royals trade Mark Teahen to the White Sox for Chris Getz, Josh Fields
- RosenBlog: Sox make a deal (maybe), Yanks make history, Cubs make the usual bad news
- Questions surround White Sox's acquisition of Teahen - Chicago Breaking Sports
- Kenny Williams Wastes No Time - South Side Sox
- Teahen To The White Sox | FanGraphs Baseball
Other Royals:
- Nick Sloan's Official Web Site: Dear David Glass
- Top 20 Kansas City Royals Prospects for 2010 - Minor League Ball
- Left of The Foul Pole - 20 Things About Clint Robinson
- Continuing the Save Soria Campaign | Kings of Kauffman | A Kansas City Royals Blog
- Should Johnny Damon be put in the Royals' Hall of Fame? Answer below (hint: it's "yes") | Upon Further Review
- Royally Speaking: Greinke and the CYA
Baseball:
- Twins trade Carlos Gomez for JJ Hardy - Twinkie Town
- Trade Analysis: Huh?mida - Over the Monster
- More on the Pirates Front Office | FanGraphs Baseball
- What the Cardinals can take from the Yankees, besides the luxury tax - Viva El Birdos
- Regression's A Powerful Force - Lookout Landing
- When A Good Deal Stops Being One | U.S.S. Mariner
- On the Field, the Yankees Are The Team of the Decade. Off It? The Red Sox. - Royals Review
- Mets decline J.J. Putz's option - MLB Daily Dish
- The Super Yankees Theory | FanGraphs Baseball
- I'm happy for... - Pinstripe Alley
- Best & Worst In Hidden Value, 2009 - Lookout Landing
- Kneejerk Reactions: Game 6 - SweetSpot by Rob Neyer - ESPN
- Long May You Run, Melvin Mora - Camden Chat
- Ruining the World Series, Just Like A-Rod and Boras: Rays Trade Iwamura - Driveline Mechanics
Grab Bag:
- Transaction Report: Me - Driveline Mechanics
- Take me back to Constantinople, by Edward Luttwak | Foreign Policy
- NBA Talking Points: Dwight Howard Did WHAT? - SB Nation
- Heresy Corner: Review: When the Lights Went Out
- FT.com | Gideon Rachman's Blog | How bad was 1970s Britain?
- Trouble brewing in Columbus - From The Rink
- A history of baseball and chewing tobacco. - By Brian Palmer - Slate Magazine
- Fack Youk: Lessons In Advanced Hindsight, With Mike Lupica
- Remembering Claude Lévi-Strauss, Academic Giant | The Atlantic Wire
- Claude Lévi-Strauss obituary | Science | The Guardian
- 30 years of sexy ladies: The women of 1982 (Pt. 1) | Guyism
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I thought I read that they only sent 1,000,000 with Teahen to Chicago.
Though, that extra million’s ultimate benefit to the Royals is anyone’s guess.
Cash to Chicago pushes this to a mostly innocuous head-scratcher, for now.
And thus establishes itself as a truly genuine Dayton Moore transaction!
This move joins the list of Dayton trades and acquisitions that either fill a gap where no gap exists, or actually makes the team markedly worse.
Jacobs, Crisp, Ponson, Betancourt, Gathright, Gload, Pena, Bloomquist, Anderson, Freel — all were moves that were at best unnecessary and at worst disastrous. It’s difficult to say which of the two categories this trade will inhabit at year’s end, but its safe to say that this is at best a waste of resources.
Whether you like Teahen or not, it’s safe to say that he still had some trade value, and was the subject of frequent rumors over the course of the 2009 season, most notably being linked to the Yankees and Cubs in potential trade deals, so its not as though Moore didn’t have options.
Clearly, Teahen wasn’t going to be an important cog in the Big Blue Machine, so its not as though trading him was a mistake by Moore. It was, as always, the return on the trade that presents the problem.
After gutting the bullpen last offseason, and spending the year with Pena/Betancourt and Guillen in the lineup, relief pitching, a corner outfielder, and a shortstop present the greatest areas of need for the team. This trade does nothing to address those problems, and may actually end up removing one of our best hitters out of the lineup (Callaspo), while blocking (again) our best hitting prospects at AAA (Shealy and Kila).
Teahen for Getz and Fields may have been fair value, but it likely won’t help the team in any measurable way, and might actually make a team that scored the second fewest runs in the league even more inept offensively.
We can hope that this trade was a precursor to other trades, but if the past is any indication, we’re likely going to end up disappointed.
by marbotty on Nov 7, 2009 4:24 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
by the way, wish we coulda made a play for jj hardy
gomez is basically mitch maier with hype. we probably could have landed him for very little, and if he regained his hitting stroke, he’d be a considerable upgrade over betancourt
Gomez is MITCH with hype
and at least another win on defense and 4 years younger
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by Matt Klaassen on Nov 7, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I call shenanigans on that comment too
Come back and talk to me when MITCH is capable of stealing 40+ bases a year.
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120 attempts.
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by philofthenorth on Nov 7, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
Too much is made of the money
I think that too much is being made of the money. Sure it would have been great not to pay anything at all but this is more about trading one player that has had time to develop for two players that may still develop. You are, in essence, paying only two million (if that is the real figure) for that opportunity. In baseball economics that is small – even to a team like the Royals. Instead of looking at giving it up I think it could be possible to say it is a small investment that may have a much higher profit. I am not thinking these two may be all stars but I am not sure that Teahan had much more value than this. Many of the comments I have seen regarding this trade speak of him being popular. That is true. it would be wiser to hold off some analysis until the off season develops more.
by Hank44 on Nov 7, 2009 8:18 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
well said
this is one of probably many moves…good or bad we need to see what else happens. what i don’t get is the assumption that either callaspo or gordon (or both) are somehow gone from the team with these moves. there are a number of permutations that exist that involve callaspo and gordon staying put, so let’s not jump the gun on what’s going to happen.
i prefer to take this trade at face value, where we are getting two younger and cheaper guys with some upside in exchange for a player that was getting increasingly expensive.
trading teahen was the correct move. declining options on crisp, yabuta, and olivo were the correct moves. so far, so good.
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Nov 7, 2009 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed for the most part.
If the Royals are giving up 1 million plus Teahen for these two guys, they’ll be saving about 3 mil this year. Giving up 2 million results in savings around 2 million on Teahen’s salary. However, the Royals also gave up the better player. If Fields or Getz can produce in the next couple of years, this trade will be a positive.
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Maybe We Can
Flip Fields to the Chiefs at the trade deadline next year. They probably have someone who could crack this MLB roster.
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by philofthenorth on Nov 7, 2009 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
The problem with thinking that the money is savings is that Teahen could have been nontendered
and the Royals wouldn’t have paid him a dime. So we actually spent 1 or 2 million to acquire these 2 players. Not a bad deal, but not as good as I thought it was going to be.
Completely agree with this.
I think the key is your last sentence. I can see why some people are down on this from a “face value” standpoint. I agree, however, it’s hard to really value this trade until we see how other moves unfold down the stretch. Personally, I don’t have a big problem with this move. I liked Teahen as much as anybody, but we traded a utility player looking to make $5 mil this coming season for two younger utility players with some level of upside making less than $500,000 each.
Interesting poll idea:
Which team ends up getting better RF production in 2010, Royals or Sox?
I think the $/production is already pretty much decided.
Unless I'm wrong...
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The more I think about it, the more I dont like this trade.
Getz may be good, but he isn’t really any better than Callaspo. Fields just plain sucks. 73 WINS HERE WE COME!
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A win for both parties.
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by philofthenorth on Nov 7, 2009 4:03 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Is That You,
Dayton?
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by philofthenorth on Nov 7, 2009 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
Yes
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by philofthenorth on Nov 7, 2009 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks for the link
and yeah, it feels pretty meh from our side too, even after the money.
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by trademaker on May 30, 2009 10:31 PM PDT
Reasons I Hate This Trade
1. Dayton Moore trading for a new starting quarterback.
2. Paying money.
3. I like Chris Getz. I think he’s a nice, average player. But so was Mark Teahen, and Teahen could play about any position on the field. He may not have been elite at any of them, but he was serviceable.
4. Dayton Moore is still the GM.
5. I won’t get to see The Mark Teahen Show anymore.
The last one is probably the most troubling. Here are my top five replacements for Teahen:
1. Jose Guillen
2. St. Willie
3. Alberto Callaspo
4. Wallpuncher
5. Mike Jacobs’ cheek cancer
John Bale can play RF?
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by averagegatsby on Nov 7, 2009 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
CALLASPO WILL NOT BE AT 2B NEXT YEAR
I don’t get what the confusion here is. Callaspo is going to get moved around. Getz is going to be the everyday 2B. I think it’s clear the Royals want to play some better defense. They like Callaspo better at third. If Gordon doesn’t hit in spring training he might be moved back to AAA. If Gordon does play well, I expect Callaspo to get a look in RF. Guillen is not physically capable of playing RF, injured or healthy.
Worst comes to worst, Callaspo might see some time at the DH. He’s developing better power, hits for average, and runs well.
2009 fielding stats:
Callaspo: -6.6
Getz: -4.9
They both suck. How does this make the defense better?
when it comes to better defense
-13 is almost twice as much as -6.6
and DM traded for the -13 guy
Hoping that the Tigers fire Leyland and steal Trey Hillman from the Royals
Is he going to play?
Why do I have an eerie feeling that Moore & Trey will prefer his bat on the bench? Maybe it’s the cynic in me but DM tried awfully hard to get a SS/2B last winter to keep Callaspo from playing everyday and now his first trade this offseason brings in a 2B.
I realize more dominoes surely must fall but I have zero faith in Moore’s ability to build a roster
by royallyspeaking on Nov 7, 2009 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
I said.
Callaspo to third if Gordon doesn’t improve. Regardless, I think we’ll see Callaspo in RF in Spring Training.
While he doesn’t look or play like a DH, that might be our best option because we aren’t going to have a better DH in most instances. Jacobs isn’t close. Not sure Guillen is either at this point.
I think we’ll see an outfield (left to right) of Dejesus, Anderson, and Callaspo in all honesty.
Infield of Gordon, Betancourt, Getz, Butler. Guillen will get the majority of reps at DH. Bloomquist is the utility/do everything guy. Maier is the 4th outfielder.
DH
Royals DH’s hit .209/.281/.374 with 167 strikeouts. I would have no problem with Bert at DH though I would prefer a Kila/Fields platoon.
by royallyspeaking on Nov 8, 2009 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
I think I like Maier in CF better than Anderson
But I’m not sure yet. I saw nothing out of Anderson’s bat. At least Mitch hit for some power in Omaha. Not a whole lot, but double digits.
I know Anderson is faster and will cover more ground but I think Mitch can do it.
How do you think Callaspo’s D will translate to RF?
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I don't mind this trade as much as it sounds like a lot of people do
Not saying I love it exactly, but I haven’t seen much analysis of Fields’ career arc. Just glancing at his numbers, looks to me like he was a serious roll in ‘06 and ’07 and then something happened in ’08. Injury? And then ’09 was kind of a disaster, but only for 239 AB’s (I’m assuming there was an injury in ’09 as well?).
Points to consider:
(a) He’s not going to play third for the Royals, so who cares what his defensive numbers are at third? A better question is can he play RF? Can he track fly balls, does he have any arm to speak of? Anyone have any info in that regard?
(b) He posted a .379 OBP in his largest AAA sample (462 ABs). He started striking out a ton in his first ML audition (373 ABs), but Teahen’s OBP in his last thousand or so ABs has been south of .320.
© Fields had 10 homers and a .390 OBP in AAA in 205 ABs in ’07 when he got called up (coming off a stellar ’06 season). In other words, in both ’06 and and ’07 he was abusing AAA pitching. He had a bit of a rough go in a Mike Quinn sort of way as a ML rookie, and then something happened in ’08 that obviously bled into ’09 (injury of some kind?).
Not saying he’s a stud or a steal or anything close…just saying: doesn’t he have more upside than Teahen at this point? If Gordon does play third next year, which would have bumped Teahen to RF, don’t you want more power out of your right fielder? Fields has 30 homer upside, and at one point in his career looked like he could take a walk or two. I’d say he qualifies as intriguing, at least.
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by jackie ballgame on Nov 7, 2009 5:53 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
the best part of this post...
the accidental © Im gonna steal it as much as possible now.
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by averagegatsby on Nov 7, 2009 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
And if you dont you can take the
Trey Hillman “I dont have time to educate” © Education classes about the process.
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by averagegatsby on Nov 7, 2009 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
THANK YOU
This guy is spot on. Plus, even if Getz doesn’t translate his speed into better D, then atleast we get faster on the base paths (Fields excluded).
And I think Fields rebounds now he’s out of chicago.
Even with 1 or 2 million, I really like this trade.
Bleah so far
Teahen may not have been part of the problem with the Royals, but he wasn’t part of the solution either. Not sure the deal brings any particular benefit not gained by simply non-tendering him, but will wait to see what else happens.
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by The Ol' Perfesser on Nov 7, 2009 9:58 PM EST reply actions
Simple and accurate.
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I hope we are not acquiring guys based on their religion
Or any other non baseball reason for that matter. That is sure way to ruin…correction, that is the way to remain mired in ruin.
i don't reallly think they are, but I like to throw it in there...
dayton’s openly sought a number of guys with a pretty spotty off the field record as well
as long as you can’t field or get on base, you’re cool
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by philofthenorth on Nov 8, 2009 2:29 AM EST up reply actions
It makes us better in the long run.
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Here's to Hope
Here’s hoping that Getz pans out to be a Mark Ellis clone who, of course, became successful after we traded him. Not remarkable, but solid.
Granted I live in Chicago now and have been exposed to the Josh Fields hype for years, but I still think he could find his groove. If he does at-worst we have another tradable commodity.















