Who Was Your Least Favorite Royal of 2009?
Despite Zack Greinke's greatness, nobody really liked the 2009 Royals. Dayton made a number of bizarre signings during the off-season, then responded with even stranger ones in-season.
So who was your least favorite Royal of 2009?
The Nominees:
Kyle Farnsworth: A brilliant symbol of both Dayton Moore and Trey Hillman's weaknesses. Signed to a 2 year/$9 million dollar contract in the off-season that everyone hated. Was inexplicably named the setup-man/8th inning guy on Opening Day Eve by Hillman. Everyone thought this was insane. Farnsy gave up game-losing bomb the next day. Hey continued to fail until he was demoted, then he went on a long scoreless innings streak. Farnsworth ended up posting his lowest HR/9 numbers in ages, and still was below average.
Mike Jacobs: Jacobs didn't replicate his career year, another stroke of terrible luck to befall Dayton Moore. Gloriously managed a sub-.300 OBP. Could not handle the easiest position on the field. Frequently swung hard. Chewed gigantic amounts of tobacco while at the plate.
Jose Guillen: Ended the debate about his suckitude by achieving near perfect negative value. Hit .242/.314/.367 with absolutely horrific defense. Showed tremendous ability to turn fly ball outs into home runs for the other team. Has potential to unknowingly play a key role in the next game-fixing scandal. Hated by half the teams in the game. Contract is among worst in professional sports. Bonus status as the captain of Dayton's Awful Ex-Mariners Team.
Josh Anderson: Acquired by Dayton Moore in July for no apparent reason. Anderson had not hit before and he did not hit as a Royal, posting a .237/.268/.288. (Let's be fair, he has the ability to post a .280 OBP in full-time action.) Was a favorite late-game toy of Hillman. Does not appear to have blood.
Yuniesky Betancourt: Mysteriously picked up by Dayton Moore mid-season. Has no apparent strengths as a player. Has bizarre name. Costs much more than the minimum salary. Played key role in letting fans know that team is run by people who are ... ah, what's the point?
Willie Bloomquist: St. Willie turned in the greatest .265/.308/.355 season by a guy without a position in history. This was the Dayton Moore move that "worked" and .308 OBP, in Royalsville, is nothing to sneeze at.
Ryan Freel: Owning a .140/.275/.140 line with the Orioles & Cubs, Freel was acquired by Moore leading up to the trade deadline. Absolutely tore the cover off the ball as a Royal (.244/.306/.289) and told many fantastic stories about how he avoided the Vietnam War.
Jamey Wright: Could not sustain 0.00 ERA through first five minutes as a Royal, in more bad luck. Although quickly earning trusted status in Hillman's bullpen, posted a 4.90 ERA in next 57 games. Appeared in tie games constantly (13). Actually, he just appeared constantly.
Tony Pena Jr: Took epic failure of 2008 to a new level in 2009, posting an incredible .098/.132/.118 line. Played crucial role in delivering the Yuni-Bomb to Kansas City. Amazing shift to a pitching career, a move straight out of a message board if there ever was one, hurts his hate-ability however.
Sidney Ponson: Provided Royals with valuable depth in 2009: you can never have enough bad pitchers. Poison pill contract and fate led to him starting the 2009 Home Opener, the opening of the newly renovated K. Against the Yankees. Surprised fans with better than expected 7.36 ERA.
Horacio Ramirez: Ho-Ram's ex-Brave, ex-Mariner, ex-mildly surprising 2008 move that sorta worked out status, earned him another contract and $1.8 million from Dayton Moore. Sucked from the beginning and was gone by early June. He'll be back.
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has to be Farnsworth, doesn't it?
he was so absurdly bad in vital situations.
You forgot the Yankee Stadium game where Hillman decided that putting Farnsworth into the game would be worth it
Ralph Wiggum would be a better GM than Dayton Moore
I'll Never Forget
His first appearance when Trey decided to let him pitch to Thome. Everyone on this board knew exactly how that would work, and it did (3 run HR?). How literally everyone here saw that coming and Trey apparently had no clue is hard to swallow.
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by philofthenorth on Dec 11, 2009 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
I hated Coco Crisp
and his noodle arm. Watching Mike Jacobs strikeout while chewing wood was entertaining at least. So was watching Olivo strikeout and allow 1 passed ball per game.
What about Alex Gordon. He sucked too.
by GobbleforCyoung on Dec 10, 2009 11:43 PM EST reply actions
JoGui's fielding did me in....
He can throw..but since he can’t run or catch, it doesn’t do him any good.
by BoShootsGrizzlies on Dec 10, 2009 11:49 PM EST reply actions
+1 or is that -1?
He wins due to being the player that crippled the Royals the most by insisting on standing in right field. Also, this was one of the funniest posts ever, but also very sad. Not to mention Guillen was only as good as he was because players would slap him in the clubhouse so he could get mad and psyched out.
Go Royals!
just down right shameful....
even worse than watching the entire Raiders punt return team, miss a fake punt and run alongside the Jets punter for about 15 yds.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=albfUKWLfI8
by BoShootsGrizzlies on Dec 11, 2009 12:35 AM EST up reply actions
Wow- that was depressing in many ways
Particularly since it was early on and there were words like “first place Royals” and “trying to extend their longest winning streak of the season”
And it was a Zack start
Cost him the game I believe. BUT HE DOESN’T KNOW HOW TO WIN!
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Not this particular one
It said Meche pitched. Tho I’m sure there were others he was robbed from- they’re just not coming to mind at the moment
I Seem To
Remember that being the point where the hot start ended and the months of suck began.
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by philofthenorth on Dec 11, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
Don't forget - Anderson
nearly duplicated that play in a home game later in the season.
(I’m not defending Guillen, believe me, just pointing out how bad most EVERYBODY was defensively last year)
Mr Glass, this is a pro sports team, not a retail store - run it like one!
Agree on Anderson
I was at that game. And a few others he gift wrapped for the other team. Absolutely the worst player i’ve ever seen in a major league uniform.
If you have 1 dimension (speed) You should be able to at least do 2 things. Go get fly balls, Run/steal bases.
Unfortunately always started off the wrong way on fly balls. Occaisionally by grace of his speed he MIGHT make up for it if it had good hang time.
Base stealing…. ummm Give me John Buck over Anderson anyday. Speedy pinch runner types should not get thrown out in stealing on curve balls in the dirt.
The Truly Epic
Fail on that play was when he finally got to the ball and lost it again in his windup, in effect throwing it backwards. That is beyond Ibanezesque.
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by philofthenorth on Dec 11, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
That was the turning point of the season BTW.
We lost that game and never looked back.
Me likey Skip Holtz
Guillen for me
All these players were brought in and overpaid. They did everything to their abilities, but Guillen just seemed to be there to draw a pay check and stay in road suites.
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by Jeff Zimmerman on Dec 10, 2009 11:51 PM EST reply actions
HOW DARE YOU
GUILLEN WAS OUT BEST HITTER I DARE YOU TO CHALLENGE THIS
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 11, 2009 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
It has to be Guillen
12 million is the deciding factor. Lots of really bad moves, but Guillen and Farnsworth top the list.
Coco as well. We threw away a lot of cash and a prospect only to have him hurt the whole season.
Guillen gets my vote
Only Guillen publicly declared that he sucked. And was absolutely on target.
Only Guillen would we like to see the Royals eat his salary just to see him go away.
Only the Guillen signing truly crippled this franchise for his contract’s duration.
Second place vote goes to Jacobs. Winner in the “And we gave up something of value for him?” category.
Third place vote to Farnsworth, who may have some value as a mop up guy, but at one-tenth of what Moore signed him for.
Agree with this
I don’t see how anyone can say its not Guillen. Between the awful fielding, terrible hitting, bad attitude and crippling contract, he is quickly surpassing Neifi Perez as my least favorite Royal of all-time.
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So he won't make the top 100?
Shocked!
I used to work with an old man that told me- Son, every workplace has a dumbass. If you don't have one where you work, then I'm afraid you're it.
well, Guillen did play his fair share of games
so, using Win Shares, he’s #43
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 11, 2009 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
His Statuesque Presence
Was comedy gold for the denizens of RR, so that counts for something. His plate approach was a good for an anguished laugh too.
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by philofthenorth on Dec 11, 2009 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
Guillen for me too
And it’s not even close.
by Black and Gold on Dec 11, 2009 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
Guillen
That kind of mind-numbing incompetence at being a baseball player, while being paid that much, is untoppable.
Also HoRam. A bit unfair, because it isn’t him as such. But he typifies for me Moore’s completely pathetic player evaluation (and valuation) skills. And he was just handed a rotation spot.
Gotta have a lefty in the rotation
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by philofthenorth on Dec 11, 2009 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
There are even more nominees....
Juan Cruise who cost more then Farnsworth due to losing our 2nd round pick and was the only decent sabermetric pick up for Moore and even he was terrible.
Coco Crisp as both of his arms fell off
Aviles, who only had one arm fell off but he was villified even though Coco was playing with one arm as well.
Trey go ahead and let Meche throw 132 pitches when he has a bad back Hillman
The Royals rub in some dirt medical staff
Dayton the guy who made all these moves Moore
John go ahead and stay with the team instead of retiring with dignity Bale
Costa and Lewbanski who had a shot at the majors but ….see medical staff.
The list goes on…
Go Royals!
I thought Cruz was a type B, did the Royals really lose a pick on him?
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The training staff and Trey Hillman
Excellent nods. Tho, picking Hillman kindof seems like cheating- it’s too easy
My hate for Josh Anderson is immeasurable...
he has zero redeemable qualities. At least Hoagy occassionally hits a ball 450 feet, Cheek Cancer had his ridiculous chaw, Farnsworthless had his worlds worst tattoo to make fun of, Ive had a lot of laughs at the expense of Yuniesky, Bloomers had all of his grit, I really have no ill freelings towards Freel being that he was a Royal for like 12 days, I actually started to feel bad for Lamey after his pitching twice in one day, TPJ on his epic road to becoming a pitcher, Pontoon was actually way better than expected, and GMDM cut his losses on HoRam pretty early… But Josh Anderson has zero memorable plays (good or bad), nothing about him is funny, and I actually have no idea what he looks like… Which is something I can’t say about the other guys… God I fucking hate Josh Anderson, not only do I hate Josh Anderson but Im pretty sure once the Royals acquired him Lefebvre increased his talks about sac bunts a billion fold.
Come to think of it… Ryan Lefebvre should be on that list… Fuck that guy.
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by averagegatsby on Dec 11, 2009 12:19 AM EST reply actions 5 recs
Sure...
Lefebvre wouldn’t be near as bad if he realized he wasn’t funny at all.
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by averagegatsby on Dec 11, 2009 1:46 AM EST up reply actions
Whoa, just hold your horses right there...
But Josh Anderson has zero memorable plays (good or bad), nothing about him is funny, and I actually have no idea what he looks like
Do you not remember his play in right field where he threw the ball backwards?
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by Warden11 on Dec 11, 2009 7:04 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
BINGO
very memorable. Along with his “throw” to catch the go ahead run at the plate on a sac fly, from shallow right field (ok nearly sodomizing alberto at second base) that would have made it to the royals dugout if they let it keep rolling.
I must have missed that one
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by averagegatsby on Dec 11, 2009 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
I got so mad that night when he did that.
I was on one of the game blogs and just put the computer down and stormed out of the room… my wife in the other room being the astute Royals fan she is goes, “what’d Olivo do now?” And then she quickly followed that with, “Don’t tell me to come watch. I don’t want to see it. How about you turn off the game? It’s bad for your blood pressure to watch the Royals.”
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I didn't miss many games...
But I have no recollection of that happening.
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by averagegatsby on Dec 11, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't miss many games...
but I really don’t remember that play. Of course he really only played late so perhaps I didn’t make it that far.
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by averagegatsby on Dec 11, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
Bitch Anderson
I can’t hate him for the same reasons you described. Completely and unbelievably unmemorable.
Here's where I go all Poznanski on him...
Im sure he is a great guy, but GAWD!!! I bet his parents don’t even know what he does. He is bad at everything and and good at nothing, other than being bad. Its like he went to the Milford academy.
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by averagegatsby on Dec 11, 2009 1:48 AM EST up reply actions
Hoch hung his head in shame a lot this year...
I have hope for the guy…..but watching him get rocked every other game….and then seeing him miss a runner going from 2nd to 3rd right in front of him while he walked to the mound, staring at the dirt was brutal….but since the aStache was gone, Gibbons was there to caress him in the dugout….as he hung his head even lower in shame.
by BoShootsGrizzlies on Dec 11, 2009 12:30 AM EST reply actions
Hoch teased us again
I think if you listed the top 5 starts of the season, he’d have at least two on the list
and then he’d suck again
Here's the thing that scares me the most about Hooch
If the Royals give up on him and throw him on the scrap heap, you just know he’s going to go somewhere, get a chance, and then string together a bunch of those sick performances we know he’s capable of (because he’s actually done them), and win a freakin’ Cy Young.
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Yeah, when Luke loses it, it's usually because all those groundballs start finding holes
And the Royals’ holes are gaping.
Yes, I know how bad that sounds.
So True. Our
MIF had the range of my range in the kitchen.
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by philofthenorth on Dec 11, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
That's better than Kyle Davies
Who would look great for three innings, then give up five runs in the fourth.
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THE SEASONS OVER SURELY ITS TIME TO EXTEND HIM
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 11, 2009 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
I just will never like him
I hate that he’s a Boras guy and the way he came to the majors. And I still feel in the bottom of my heart that he was a signability pick.
Unfortunately, I feel the same way about Crow, too.
Crow, a signability pick???
What are you smoking?
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HORACIO RAMIREZ
What the hell was DM thinking? Was it a reward for screwing the ChiSox by being so bad after we got rid of him the first time?
That being said, my least favorite Royals is actually Dayton for handing out contracts to these losers.
Guillen
While I was sorely tempted to vote Jacobs due to my belief that a cardboard cutout could post a .300 OBP, the crippling contract takes the cake.
but what about his defense?
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 11, 2009 12:39 AM EST up reply actions
He did help out by not playing defense.
Go Royals!
You have a point
If you don’t get the right kind of cardboard cutout, he might struggle to match Jacobs’ UZR. Gotta make sure the 5 hole is covered.
by chiefstatnut on Dec 11, 2009 12:45 AM EST up reply actions
did we ever figure out
if he was chewing tobacco?
someone suggested he was chewing on paper or something
Betancourt right?
I don’t really hate the other guys, I don’t blame Farnsworth for taking the offer, and I don’t really think many of these guys don’t care.
I won’t dislike them if they try, and only Betancourt really has the effort rap.
If I just had one player I didn’t like though for non effort reasons, it would be Pontoon. I’ve always really disliked him.
The happiest day of my life
was when Sidney Ponson was DFAd. Because I was going to the game he was scheduled to pitch. Instead I got to see Kyle Davies’ triumphant return, and he pitched two glorious perfect innings.
That was the happiest day of your life
You must have lived a very depressing childhood.
Then again, you are here :D
This
Hell, even Guillen, you know he’s trying. When he comes up three feet short of catching a fly ball any other Royal outfielder would catch* and the runner ends up on third base, well, you know that it’s not because he’s lazy. He just can’t get to it. You know he’s trying to hit 40 homers and drive in a billion runs, he just can’t.
Yuni? He’s a lazy bum. I hate him, and I hate that — money aside — actively pursuing him says volumes more about GMDM than signing Hoagy did.
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I dunno
I agree with some of the Guillen comments above. I think if he could just go to a window at Kauffman and pick up a check, he’d show just as much effort
I agree with you
Which is why I don’t hate Guillen. I mean, I wouldn’t turn down a fat check either. It’s not Guillen’s fault Dayton overpaid.
Honestly
I can’t hate any of these guys…
But is this “who did you love to hate” the most?
The whole Yuni thing just was so dumb I couldn’t enjoy the comedy of it as much as I should.
The Farnsworth tats, dogs, glasses… so good.
The attempts to replace Mitch “MITCH” Maier with older and/or much versions of himself like the corpse of Ryan Freel and Josh Gathwhite, is, when you think about it, one of the funniest things in years. Especially bringing in Freel when St. Willie is already on the team. It would be like being unhappy with Willy Tavaras, then trading cash for Joey Gathright. Awesome.
Really, though, Guillen and Jacobs have to go together for me. Ebony and Ivory, Adam-Dunns-Without-the-Bats-In-Perfect-Harmony. Getting in a fight where we know no one made any contact. that had to be broken up by Miguel Olivo, a dude who couldn’t OBP .300 if his 27 kids lives depended on it, and STILL managed to outhit Dayton’s $12 Million Man and THIRTY HOME RUNS, B-TCH!
Not only do they symbolize the, well, I’d call it ineptitude, but that woudl be totally unfair of me. I’d say bad luck despite well-intentioned, thought out, and scouted acquisitions by Dayton.
Guillen and Jacobs also symbolize the “bad luck” of all the fans who defended the acquistiions of these players despite the indefensible snark of a few dorks who don’t know jack about baseball, and who were maybe sort of right only because of totally unforeseeable underperformance. I wonder where those fans are now, shouldn’t they be here vindicating themselves after Guillen’s awesome rebound and Mike Jacobs totally turning into David Ortiz (pre-2009)?
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 11, 2009 12:56 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
Yuni going away for me.
D_f- If Maier could match B.J. offensive numbers and match what he did defensively in CF last season where would he come in with his WAR rating?
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.
B.J. upton?
I dunno. I actually like Maier, I just don’t think he’s a legit starter. I mean, I’d rather the Royals start him for a year than do something dumb just to have a league average CF…
I’m just looking at his CHONE projection, and that has him at about 1.4 WAR, which is below average, but it’s not the end of the world, especially for $400,000. Plus, he would get less PAs if they put him near the bottom of the order… of course, there’s lots of guys who are candidates for this spot.
The Yuni thing is driving me nuts the more I think about it. I thought I was past it.
Poor Aviles. Maybe he can pull a Chris REdman.
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 11, 2009 1:05 AM EST up reply actions
Bill James
he has him at a 717 OPS…A perfect world of Bill James offensive projections + CHONE defensive projection would probably make an almost average CF’r.
I’ve always like Maier I always thought given more playing time he could be better than Teahen. A little less pop but with more outfield versatility.
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.
Bill James projections are fun
but they’re always really optiimistic. Half the teams in baseball would score 1,000 runs if James was close to accurate. I’m not sure why they are like that.
I guess I think MITCH’s upside is average, but he’s probably best suited to a platoon/4th OF role. He’s old enough now (28 next season) that he’s probably not going to get much better.
Like I said, though better Mitch thant Scott Podsednik. SEriously.
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 11, 2009 1:24 AM EST up reply actions
that's why we like Bill James' projections
they’re always really optimistic – just like us!
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yeah, that's pretty bad
sorry, everyone. long week
But there was actually a good transaction this week that didn’t get “taken” before I got the chance, so I got to write about a team doing something right (lots of teams do, but those always seem to get claimed before I get the chance)
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 11, 2009 2:32 AM EST up reply actions
I'll admit
I thought Jacobs could hit .260 and OBP .320 because his BABIP was so low in 2008. If he was used at DH in a platoon scenario only, he wouldn’t have been as awful. But holy shit did he blow ass this year. When Trey seemed deadset on using him in the field early in the season (I think my breaking point was that first series against the Rangers), I wanted to stab my eyes out.
by Old Man Duggan on Dec 11, 2009 3:53 AM EST up reply actions
Well it didn't hurt that Trey faced Jacobs against a lot of lefties too
Jacobs vs LHP in 111 PAs: .178 .252 .248
I have to admit, I thought the number would be closer to 200, but after the first half Jacobs didn’t face lefties as much because he didn’t play as much.
But holy shit did he blow ass this year.
Elegant.
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by philofthenorth on Dec 11, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
I love the line "Getting in a fight where we know no one made any contact."
Tho it gets a little mean spirited and- I can’t really think of a good word but it’s something pejorative- towards the end
Dang- missed the comment above
I’d take back that last part at this point as it’s already been said.
sorry that was so vindictive
I feel bad about it, but probably not as badly as I should given the invectives thrown the way of the “unfair critics” before the season started
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 11, 2009 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
What's this?
No Mark Teahan? I know, he’s a tough fella to despise, being the personable, locker room clown and all. And what a boyish grin! But was anyone more frustrating in the midst of a rally? Here was for whom we had such high hopes and yet he killed more momentum than anybody. Can’t say I hate the dude, but he was easily 2009’s MOST FRUSTRATING from where I sat. For downright furniture smashing hatred, I’ll happily cast a vote for Kyle “Smear Your Arm in Ketchup and Go Pat Your Dog” Farnsworth. I’d rather have a bot fly in my arm pit than Kyle Goddamn Farnsworth on the mound.
I forgot just how long this list is
There are simply too many to chose from… most of them I can eliminate because they were terrible acquisitions in the first place, so the players themselves are not to blame.
I have to go with JoGui. He makes me ill. What a bitch. I don’t care how much it would cost the Royals, releasing him has to be the only option.
by FretFriendly on Dec 11, 2009 3:16 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Really?
most of them I can eliminate because they were terrible acquisitions in the first place, so the players themselves are not to blame.
and then this?
I have to go with JoGui. He makes me ill. What a bitch.
So you thought JoGui was a good acquisition at the time? I mean, I didn’t think he’d be this terrible, but you thought he’d be good?
Yuni
Jose made way too much money, but at least he owned up to sucking.
I hate Yuni for so many reasons that aren’t necessarily related directly to Yuni the player but what he represents. That we need to hear bullshit from Trey and GMDM (and Frank White and Lefevbre) about his stellar defense makes me want to vomit.
I hate my life.
Something else about Yuni
that makes me sick…
Because he played for both the Royals and Mariners last year not only was he the worst player in baseball by nearly a win (.9) War worse than Aubrey Huff) , but in 70 games as a Royal he was STILL the worst player in baseball -1.4 WAR, and EVEN in the other near half season with the Mariners he managed to be the THIRD worst player in baseball behind Huff and Alfonso Soriano.
He nearly managed being the worst player in baseball…TWICE.
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Dec 11, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
This is difficult
but I’ll try.
1. Guillén
2. Farnsy
3. Betancourt
4. Ponson
5. Jake
I really wanted to give #1 to “Mad Dog” Farnsy, but he’s merely a lousy reliever, while Guillén is supposed to be a power-hitting everyday right fielder and is the highest-paid player on the team.
It's pronounced Poo-ZHOLS in Catalan.
See, I totally forgot about the "Jake" nickname
which makes him seem that much more awesome
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 11, 2009 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
You Mean Jakers?
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by philofthenorth on Dec 11, 2009 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
it is tough
what makes it hard is there are really several categories of bad.
Guys like Bloomquist, Maier, Wright , horam, were simply asked to do too much. Designed to be role players and ended up becoming full time key players due to lack of options. Generally weren’t negatives, but weren’t positives enough for the role they were in.
Major aquisitions Guillen, Jacobs, Farnsworth. These guys ate payroll & were supposed to be cornerstones but did more harm than good. When you are relieved to see a minimum guy in the lineup instead of the $12MM guy, that’s a problem. But you still can’t expect the minimum guy to do the job the $12MM guy was paid to do.
One-Tool guys whose tool was worhtless. A lot fit in this category. Jacobs (HRs), Farnsworth (Fastball), Horam (Lefty), Anderson( but he’s fast man), Yuni (ahem fielding). …
memo to dayton: having a fast guy without power and a power guy without speed in the lineup does NOT equal a fast guy with power. It equals two gaping holes.
…baseball is a game that REQUIRES multiple tools. If you somehow get to MLB on just one tool you’d better be DAMN good at it.
by who am i? on Dec 11, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
There Were A
Few tools on this team.
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by philofthenorth on Dec 11, 2009 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
There are huge differences in the why is a player here factor...
1) Young guy, unknown value/upside. I don’t mind watching them struggle & develop. To me that’s the best part of the game. We would have loved Zack if he was an off season pickup. But how good does it feel after watching him go from where he was to where he is. (Your kids)
2) Veteran role player. Every team needs them. Hopefully they are warming the seat for someone almost ML ready. At worst they should be mentoring the type 1s. You can like them, hate them, but don’t get emotionaly involved. (The guy down at the hardware store.)
3) Still here guys. Buck, Teahen (until recently) You’ve watched them grow. they are ok, comfortable, but you don’t expect much. (Your neighbors kids)
4) Cornerstones. Guys you traded talent for. Guys you went out and opened the checkbook for. These are the guys that are supposed to win you games, make things happen. When they don’t work out you feel cheated, violated, and broke. ( your plumber & your ex-wife’s lawyer)
You really need the right mix of all four types. But I have much higher expectations for type 4 and get far more pissed when they fail.
Teahen and Buck's curse.
4) Cornerstones. Guys you traded talent for. Guys you went out and opened the checkbook for. These are the guys that are supposed to win you games, make things happen. When they don’t work out you feel cheated, violated, and broke.
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I never saw them as cornerstones
Something is better than the nothing we were getting when Beltran left. I figured if they could be average MLB players it was a win, because there was no way in hell management was going to pay Carlos.
I had hopes for Teahen but came to accept that it wasn't going to happen with him.
Just seems like to the average Royal fan, they were a huge letdown because that’s how they were acquired.
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unfortunately
people looked at teahen & buck as what we got for beltran like it was a direct trade.
they were what we got for giving up TWO MONTHS of beltran. Based on that we did incredibly well.
Kinda like being the guy that replaces Elway, Marino or Staubach. Not a fair comparison.
Danny White replaced Staubach
He was pretty good. I think he might have been the last QB who was also the punter.
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you are correct
he was very good at both. But he couldn’t live up to the mystique of staubach. dallas fans just assumed roger would pull out a game winner. Even tho he couldn’t 100% of the time, they expected white to be able to. They hated him for the mere fact he was not staubach.
Loved Danny White
Dallas defense also fell apart during his time, and their o-line bit, too. He was constantly getting hit.
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 13, 2009 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
No one has mentioned Roman Colon
I know he wasn’t the disaster of most of these other guys, but he wasn’t good, and there was no reason to keep him on the team. I don’t really understand my dislike for Colon, myself, but I’ll be disappointed when he makes the opening day roster next year.
I got no love for Jamey Wright, either.
I have a strong irrational dislike for him
I think it stems from his clubhouse brawl where he wildly flung his arms so strongly that he knocked out a teammate.
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 11, 2009 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
Tough One
This really is a tough one, so many players to hate.
Farnsworth had the inexplicably big contract and was awful.
Betancourt signing made no sense whatsoever and he may have been worse than TPJ
Jacobs predictably was awful and left a city on base sucking up the 4 hole
I’d have to go with Betancourt, mostly because his signing went against everything Moore said he wanted to do with the team yet he defended the move constantly. At least we didn’t have to see Farnsworth everyday, but when I did he was extremely aggravating.
I have no reason to hate guys like Anderson, Freel, Ponson, Wright, Bloomquist. None of those guys are anything more than warm bodies and it’s not their fault they were used differently.
Farnsworthless
I hated the fact that he was a Royals since the second I heard we signed him, and his contract just makes it worse. I was in Yankee Stadium in September and watched 8 innings of a Royals victory, and then he came in to blow the game…I hope he gets his (I use this term loosely) pitching arm chewed off by badgers.
Rabid badgers.
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You'd think that when you blow Opening Day, that would be the low point of the season
But, no, he managed to prolong the dislike
#1 has to be Guillen
- on my list would be Willie Boom-Boom because of all that he represents for the organizational mindset.
Surprised Olivo didn’t get at least an honorable mention on the list.
Unless I'm wrong...
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I can't pick just one
Shouldn’t this have been a poll?
I guess it would be Betancourt, because of what it revealed to me about our GM. I didn’t hate the trades of Jacobs and signing of Farnsworth. Those were gambles, big gambles even, but there was a small chance they could have worked out. I don’t remember the exact quote, but it was something like “Dayton replaced the worst shortstop in baseball and didn’t actually fix the problem. He still has the worst shortstop in baseball.”. And the blind defense of the move has really bugged me too.
Surprised there’s not one TPJ vote in here.
Aviles
It was that shady, dirty lying bastard who orchestrated a massive deception upon the Royals crack medical staff and expert management, which resulted in TPJ having to take over as the starting SS. And of course, TPJ’s inevitable soul-crushing non-ability with the bat led directly to the inexplicable acquisition of one Yuniesky Betancourt.
So really, Aviles was solely responsible for a couple of boxcars on the Royals’ 2009 Train of Suck. How many other guys on the list can say it was their evil, deceptive ways that led directly to the presence of two other players on the list?
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by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 11, 2009 10:40 AM EST reply actions 7 recs
Tremendous, and correct
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 11, 2009 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
Send me an Angel
What about berroa? I know he didn’t play this year, but isn’t he still getting a ton of $ that we could be paying for yet another super-utility kind of guy? Or at least a beer vendor that will actually deliver to the cheap seats?
This is like trying to decide your least favorite dictator in history
SO many candidates. Hard to pick just one.
I’ll attempt some logic:
Jacobs, Farnsworth, Betancourt, Ponson, Bloomquist, T Pena, H Ramirez: all of their performances were not all that different than what any reasonable person would have expected, right? So picking one of them is really misdirected anger that should be pointed at Moore.
Anderson, Freel: These two were merely reflections of a misguided fetish of the GM to acquire speedy, defensive- oriented outfield types REGARDLESS of their offensive skills. (or even if their perceived defense was a myth)
Wright: Not that horrible, IF, and I mean IF, the manager recognized him and used him in the proper role; i.e., 12th man/long reliever out of the bullpen. Instead, Hillman decided this was the guy to use in high leverage, need-a-groundball situations, DESPITE the fact that was only a perceived strength of Wright’s, not an actual one.
That leaves our winner: GUILLEN. Why Guillen? Well, to me, he is the one guy on this list who missed his potential by the farthest. Mind you, I’m not saying he could or should have been good – but he at least should have been above replacement value, at least offensively. We all knew his legs were gone on defense, and that Hillman should NOT have been playing him in RF at all – but I honestly think he should have been capable of putting up a 275/320/450 line. HE WASN’T EVEN CLOSE! Throw in the budget crippling effect of his contract, and we have our runaway winner.
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by loyal2sdad on Dec 11, 2009 10:40 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Re Jamey; He
Seemed to do well for one batter most every time. Usually he got one grounder, then the liner/fly balls began. Just my memory, but it seemed like it happened every time with the exception of his few good outings.
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by philofthenorth on Dec 11, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
And by the way
It is really stunning how many legit candidates there are to discuss on this topic.
Mr Glass, this is a pro sports team, not a retail store - run it like one!
Jamey Wright
sure it could be guillen but he didnt play half the season… seemed like wright pitched at least every other day and gave up runs every other pitch
Wright does not belong in the same category
As any of these other players.
By most measurements, Jamey was actually a slightly above average pitcher in 2009, which is about the best you could expect for him, given his history and the defense behind him.
Anytime a close to average relief pitcher is on a team that cannot score and is the worst fielding team in baseball, every run looks huge, but pitching is not the problem. (Farnsworth was close to average as well)
The Royals problem is their lineup, and Dayton Moore’s idea of what a decent player looks like bearing no resemblance to a good fielding player who gets on base once in a while.
The Royals were 166 runs worse than the average AL team in 2009. About 160 of that was hitting and fielding. Instead of realizing that, we often choose to blame the type of pitchers that EVERY TEAM has.
Is it safe?
We're missing one obvious candidate - US
The fans.
Dayton already hinted that we needed to improve last season, and this season he really brought it home. For all our bitching, did we turn out to be right about anything? Okay, maybe one or two things, but really, it’s our inability to have faith in, the, um, series of moves, can’t think of the word… we just don’t get it. Our collective lust for self-gratification… I mean, really, the Royals did win 65 games this season…
Fortunately, a few noble souls have seen that our criticisms aren’t rational analysis, but just personal vendettas against a group of smart men with sparkling track records. I’m glad rationality is being restored.
It’s time we take responsibility for what we’ve done to this franchise.
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 11, 2009 11:30 AM EST reply actions 6 recs
They don't have time to educate us
And we shouldn’t expect them to. We have to do better, as fans, if we want to get this thing turned around.
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by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 11, 2009 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Did someone piss in your cheerios?
I obviously agree with the comment, the tone’s pretty funny though.
I used to work with an old man that told me- Son, every workplace has a dumbass. If you don't have one where you work, then I'm afraid you're it.
true
I’m so crazed with a need for instant gratification. I need to take a step back and think, you know what, let’s just trust the process here.
You're right...
I’m sorry I caused the Royals to be the pilot of this years flight to inevitability.
If it weren’t for my criticisms they would have won the division. Just like if Meche could just think positively about throwing 200 pitches in a game he probably wouldn’t have messed up his back, arm, shoulder…ect.
It’s all about positive thinking, and I for one want to apologize to all of you and the Royals for causing them to suck, because of my thoughts.
Boo me. Yeah winning.
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Dec 11, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
Trey v. Dayton
Ok, in fairness you can’t hold Trey responsible for the abundance of REALLY BAD players Dayton aquires.
However, he does seem to take the WORST aquisitions and put them in the worst possible situations FARNSWORTH for the set up guy, Anderfreel as defensive replacements, etc.
So the question is…
a) Trey is sucking up to Dayton’s ego.
b) Trey is trying to show Dayton how bad these guys actually are.
c) Trey takes Dayton’s word on talent evaluation.
d) Trey wants to go back to Japan, and begs Dayton for the players to make it happen.
Off the board
I’m going to go ahead and take Trey Hillman… or Dayton Moore. I have come to despise both after having high hopes that they would do good things for the organization. But Moore continues to chase bad players (Juan Pierre and Jason Kendall were/are targets, really???) and Hillman mis-uses the crap he’s given to work with. It is sad, but I think I preferred the days when the Royals sucked because they wouldn’t spend money to the current days when the Royals suck because they spend money on all of the wrong players.
It would have been easier just to ask "who were your least disliked Royals?"
And everybody gets Greinke, Soria, Butler, and DDJ as free plays.
This is tough....
I agree with the sentiment that it says something about your favorite team when there are more guys to dislike than like.
I have to go with Wright and Maier. I agree that if there were a vote, considering contract and production, it would be Guillen. I also have to admit that my votes are tainted by Hillman’s use of these two guys.
It seems, on the rare occasion we would have a 2 or 3 run lead in the 6th or 7th, in would come Wright to walk someone. His inability to throw a strike when that was all he had to do earned my vote. To the posts above, he would come in sometimes with men on to get the ground ball. He would promptly walk one or two and then we would be in a real jam. 44 walks in 79 innings. When he threw that double play ball into center field in Anaheim, I was ready to cut him on the spot.
I also agree that Maier is not the worst player on this team, but I don’t understand what he was giving the team? He can’t hit. He has no power (other than the one week he hit all of his career home runs). He had a few assists, but often took the wrong route on balls and air-mailed throws. Again, not the worst player, but 397 PAs is too much exposure for me. The fact that he got this much PT just highlighted how bad the R’s are.
by Tarnished Crown on Dec 11, 2009 1:45 PM EST reply actions
I think the player who caused me the most heartburn was Miggy
1) Strikeouts
2) Passed balls/wild pitches
3) Poor hitting with runners in scoring position
4) He caused a new statistic to be born: The Olivo (I believe he led the league)
"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell
I believe it was a JoePo stat
about midpoint that he had actually reached base more times on running out dropped 3rd strikes than he had on ball fours.
If that doesn’t define plate discipline I don’t know what does.
The Olivo Stat
Was invented here, IIRC. Poz spotted the incredible Olivo/BB comparison, though.
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by philofthenorth on Dec 11, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
you forgot one
Poor pitch calling… and patterned pitch calling… sigh
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Gordo?
Has he ever been tried in outfield?
Callaspo to 3rd.
Gordon to Right,
Aviles to short,
Yuni to Wilmington to become a pitcher.
Callaspo will be worse defensively at 3rd than Gordon, most likely
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 11, 2009 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
if his arm is good enough for 3B, it's good enough for RF
I’d put him there before Gordon.
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 11, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
Did someone say Yabuta?
I’ve got a tie between Freel and Farnsworth, although I dislike Hillman for screwing up Gil Meche’s pitching. Ugh.
YY... lol.
Yimmy Yobble?
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I Can't Believe
I just destroyed a pretty lengthy post attempting to edit it, but my choice is Sporqie. His signing was the first omen of things to come in ‘09. I knew how bad he was from his years in Seattle, and he managed to suck worse and more often for us. I know I defended him at first, but he is at best the 25th man on a terrible team only for his ability to stand in many different places on a baseball field, including the batter’s box, and not fall down involuntarily. Maybe not his fault, but once you become a symbol rational thought goes out the door. I hate Bloomers.
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by philofthenorth on Dec 11, 2009 4:21 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
But you have just shown why he is so loveavble!
He has a bout 15 nicknames. Sporqie, Bloomers, St Willie, Wille Boom-Boom…
How can you hate that?
and if we sign Kendall, we will have a Bloomie behind the plate too!
"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell
Do we want to start up the Kendall nicknames already?
Jason Ken Doll
J-Dawg
Bloomers has a name that lends itself to nicknames, Kendall not so much I guess if that’s all I can come up with.
or the defense
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 11, 2009 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
My least favorite Royal was easily Trey Hillman.
Forgot that I hadn’t placed my vote yet. He’s not in the ballot, but write-ins are fair, right?
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I might second this...
I was all for letting Trey ruin everything but he just blows.
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Farnsworth coming in as a Royal at Yankee Stadium
Was booed by the Yankees fans for sucking. even though he was now a Royal. When an opposing teams player is booed, it is because he is good and or arrogant or tried to hurt one of the home team’s players, I have never seen a player on an opposing team get booed for being bad!
I love to hate
This is a great topic.as I love to hate and love to express my hateness.
Jacobs - I actually liked, it’s unfortuante he was horrible but he was certainly not my least favorite Royal. Probably my favorite in this list.
Guillen – wasn’t even on the field for me to hate. He was a no-show. He didn’t have any off the field antics for me to hate on.
Josh Anderson/Ryan Freel - I hate what they represent but I don’t think I hate them.
Yu Bet - From the day I saw that name I was repulsed. I hate his face, his play on the field, everything. I hate the fact he’ll be here for a while.
Willie Bloomquist – I cringed when we signed him but he’s a decent backup player, unfortuantely he was forced to actually you know, start. Not his fault but after watching him play he’s not too bad, just made more appearences than I had hoped for.
Jamey Wright – Don’t hate him because he would actually come through with some double play balls that are defense couldn’t handle.
TPJ – He gets an E for effort. Was actually rooting for him to make it s a pitcher.
Sidney – Oh you mean Kenny Powers? hate him.
Horacio - I hated him with an incredibly strong passion but after the first week of the seaosn he never even showed up for me to hate more of. Probably would have won the honor.
Kyle Farnsworth - I hate his name, the fact he did that tackle 8 years ago, I hate his truck, his goofy glasses, the fact he’s going to be here again. I didn’t care if it was the 6th inning while we were up or down 8 runs, he was one of my least favorite players.
The winner – Yu-Bet - just like in any other metric playing every day does count and although he didn’t make it here until July – he played everyday and I hate everything about him and what he represents in this organization.
Runner up was Farnsworth. With shout outs to Sidney Ponson and Horacio Ramirez.
by Royal from Queens on Dec 11, 2009 7:22 PM EST reply actions
I hate
1. Mitch Maier. Just hate him. Don’t know why
2. Jacobs
3. Farnsworth
4. Horacio
5. Wright
6. Betancourt
7. Guillen
8. Ponson
9. Mostly everyone else that don’t have last names of Butler, Soria, Greinke, Meche, Gordon, DeJesus
Ron Mahay
Not only did he suck, he’s a real asshole to boot.
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by Discodave on Dec 11, 2009 8:18 PM EST via mobile reply actions
can't drop that line without giving a story behind it
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 11, 2009 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
I already have my least favorite Royal for 2010...
Jason Kendall
The Original member of the Ndamukong Suh bandwagon
How can you hate Yuni?
He’s hilarious. If you’re not going to win you might as well laugh.
Guillen and Betancourt
Guillen was more than 30 runs below average, hitting and fielding combined, in only 312 plate appearances. He was the worst defensive outfielder in the majors last year. They of course insisted on hitting him cleanup.
Betancourt was -27.56 combined in only 263 plate appearances. The Royals shortstops overall were -65 last year, so might be able to better that this year.
Together, with full time play, and Guillen getting a decent amount of right field time, these two have a legitimate chance to put us 100 runs behind our opponents BY THEMSELVES this year.
The Royals will pay them $15 million combined for the privelege.
Is it safe?
by KHAZAD on Dec 13, 2009 4:45 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
This...
This is incredible. With Guillen, Betancourt, and Bloomquist on our team next year we will likely be starting three negative WAR players on Opening Day. If Kendall continues to decline, he could also make this list by the end of the year, as well as Farnsworth.
All of them are Dayton Moore acquisitions. DM’s players could very well be 1-2-3 in the worst players in all of MLB. On the same team. My favorite team.
BARF
by Soria's Unibrow on Dec 17, 2009 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
Dayton is testing replacement level theory
and seeing how many games a team with a replacement level of talent can actually win.
Make A Poll
Can we make a poll on this question because the comments are endless!! I vote Ryan Freel, he made 4mil last yr & was pathetic!!!
by PREGNANT ROLLERSKATE on Dec 13, 2009 5:13 PM EST reply actions
There are too many choices for a poll
Although I don’t see how the answer could be anyone but Guillen.
by Black and Gold on Dec 13, 2009 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
We can narrow...
….to top 5. Guillen is for sure in the top 5. I didn’t vote for Guillen bc in 08 he gave us some production. I voted for Freel even though he was a midseason transaction & didn’t last long bc he got paid 4mil last yr. Even though we didn’t pay it all we cut him & still had to pay the majority. We aquired Anderson the same way but he only made 450K & performed better than Freel which isn’t saying much.
by PREGNANT ROLLERSKATE on Dec 15, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
So many to chose from
of the ones who are listed – Betancourt for what he represents as a whole about the team
Guillen has to be a consideration but the guy I absolutely grew to hate was Sabrtrey Hillman
Gotta be Yuni
Just for what he represents.
Murphy was an optimist.
by The Ol' Perfesser on Dec 15, 2009 10:54 PM EST reply actions
Ya I change....
….my mind, u r right has to be Dayton Moore!!! Nice!
by PREGNANT ROLLERSKATE on Dec 16, 2009 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
You can't really hate a guy making the minimum salary
Even if he sucks, he’s giving it all he’s got fighting to stay in the Show. Now, a guy making twelve million a year, who doesn’t seem to give a rat’s ass, that’s something different.
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