Early Morning Royals Links: Halladay-Lee Bonanza, Royal Payroll, Kenny Williams Gets His Man, Belgian Strife
It looks like the Halladay-Lee-Etc. mega-deal is done. A few years ago, I started to wonder if teams had started to value their prospects too highly. In 2007, the Yankees wouldn't trade Phil Hughes for anybody. I doubt they feel that way now. Where do you come out on this?
Meanwhile, the Royals-o-sphere continues to churn with off-season roster analysis.
Oh, and remember when the Mariners were an incompetent organization seemingly worse off than the Royals?
Royals:
- Non-Tendered Class of 2009 (Position Players) | Kings of Kauffman | A Kansas City Royals Blog
- Payroll Update - Royals Authority
- Royally Speaking: Who is "everybody"? (Dayton appeals to authority again. Gets defensive again.)
- Broken Bat Single: 2009 Catching Position (Good to see this blog active again, good stuff there.)
- Royals sign RHP Humber to minor-league deal - KansasCity.com
- Big Donkeys: Kendall Royalty (distill the life that's inside of me)
- Royales With Cheese: Happy December 13th!
- Tangled Up In (Royal) Blue: The Most Disappointing Royals Season? Part IV: 2004
Baseball:
- Kenny Always Gets His Man - South Side Sox
- Kenny Williams Strikes Again, Trades for Juan Pierre - Beyond the Box Score
- Toronto’s Catcher Bonanza: Buck, Castro, Chavez | FanGraphs Baseball
- Baseball Prospectus | Events | Chat with Christina Kahrl
- Worst New York Yankees of the Decade - Pinstripe Alley
- The Decline Of Francisco Rodriguez: A Story Told In Graphs - Amazin' Avenue
- A Friendly Reminder - Lookout Landing
- Analysis of the Roy Halladay trade " Phuture Phillies
Grab Bag:
- Secretive Scholars of the Old South - Faculty - The Chronicle of Higher Education
- Kevin Rudd Is Taking Aim At Tony Abbott
- Better Know a Bowl: Insight - Clone Chronicles
- Saskatoon still in play for Coyotes - From The Rink
- PEOPLE ARE UPSET OVER AN AD THAT WAS NEVER ON TV | Warming Glow
- Little Nuances: Men of a Certain Age
- NFL in Europe: the dream that will not die - Inhistoric
- Belgium Waffles - The Weekly Standard
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Pierre to White Sox is bad news
as it decreases the supply of speedy CFs, inflating the potential cost of Pods. Thanks for nothing, Kenny.
He may have saved us...
You never know what GMDM was thinking… and a list of pitchers of two 2010 possible ready guys… that would have been Duffy and Montgomery from us… I’m counting my blessings..
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by philofthenorth on Dec 16, 2009 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
I Overreached
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Dec 16, 2009 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
The Pierre deal sounds familiar to the Odalis Perez deal
get a few prospects for taking on some of a bad contract.
I’m kind of surprised Dayton wasn’t the one making this deal.
Unless I'm wrong...
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hoping that
something good happens with gardner or pie. i’m sure that DM is trying for that, but we may not be able to match up. i would rather have Meyotch in CF than Podzilla, by a long shot.
i am hopeful that the bullpen is going to be much improved this year. there sure is no shortage of candidates.
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Dec 16, 2009 9:18 AM EST reply actions
true
any thoughts or ideas on what NY would want in return? even a general idea, like prospects vs. young ML players vs. a specific veteran need?
maybe i’m being stupid, but would davies for gardner be fair in your opinion?
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Dec 16, 2009 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
guys like Davies have no value to the yankees
the royals, and a lot of other teams, need a raft full of guys like that, just to field a team, but the yankees or red sox don’t need #4/#5 starters that aren’t terrible like everyone else does
my guess, at least
good point
I guess if you’ve won the WS and have more money than God, do you really need to trade anybody?
the problem I see is that we couldn’t get Gardner unless we stupidly overpay, since the Yankees really don’t need anybody, and if they do they can just go buy them.
Do they have a backup to Granderson? Maybe they just decide to keep Gardner as insurance unless someone blows them away.
I would assume that Pie may be a better option just because the Orioles have holes to fill as well.
what are your thoughts on Gordon for Pie + a prospect? too much, not enough?
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Dec 16, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
yeah,
and I don’t mean it as a sell-low. quite the contrary I think Gordon will have a good year this year.
just from the standpoint of what our needs are, I could see getting Pie and a good OF prospect for Gordon, then moving Callaspo to 3B.
maybe I’m on crack, but if it was a good prospect that could be ready in a year or two and be a starting OF, maybe it would make sense.
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Dec 16, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
The main thing about Gordon, is I really only see one weakness
He swings at some pitches, especially ones that move low and away, way too often. If he can learn to lay off those he’ll draw even more walks and probably up his power. I still think Gordon has huge potential, but this season should tell the tale.
yes
I know it’s extremely hard to hit major league pitches, but he constantly misses those pitches. you would think that after a certain amount of repetition he would recognize them.
I am hopeful that he takes a significant step forward in ‘10. to me, that’s the bottom line, that our young players need to step up and produce if we’re going anywhere. not just gordon, but hochevar, bannister, and davies as well as rosa and whomever else we bring up from the minors.
Arguments about Moore aside, I do think there could be sufficient talent on this team that with a few shrewd moves we could be on the fringes of contention. Right now, a lot of that talent is untapped, but it’s there.
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Dec 16, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
he needs to drive them the opposite way instead of trying to hook them
That’s why he swings and misses at them or hits that hard GB to 2B…
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Yep
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Dec 16, 2009 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
He Misses Those
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Dec 16, 2009 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
Don't worry, Trey will get that talent out of them.
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I thought Carlos Rosa
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 16, 2009 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
yea, the hope is...
he yankees figure, “we don’t have room for this guy anyway” so they’ll just take a live arm
What the Yankees SHOULD do
well, other than sign Matt Holliday, whom I can’t believe they’re not in on, is
Keep Swisher in RF, start Gardner in CF, and put Granderson in LF. Then take the savings and make a trade with WASH to get Adam Dunn as their DH, He’s a total waste in the NL, especially on the NL’s Royals. But he’s a great DH — upgrades the offense and defense. I don’t believe they have that little money left, but if it’s true, then this is clearly better than blowing $10M per on Johnny Damon’s dessicated remains.
And if Granderson’s as great a guy and as smart as everyone says he is, he’ll realize thatt his is best of the team and suck it up.
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 16, 2009 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
0.5 WAR isn't a big deal
but on a long-term deal, that kind of miscalculation can screw a team for years
just ask Toronto… Yeah, they would have been screwed with Wells collapse no matter what, but they paid him like a 4.5-5 WAR guy when 4-4.5 was a more reasonable projection. That’s costing them about $30M.
Holliday better give a team a pretty big discount on an 8-year deal. Geez.
I’m so sick of Johnny Damon. Don’t know why. It’s not that I hate him or love him, I just don’t want to hear about him any more. Right up there with Tiger Woods, A-Rod, and, strangely, Mark McGwire.
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 17, 2009 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
I love how the Tiger Woods story inevitably got to PEDs
in like 2 weeks
we need TJ Quinn on this
oh wait, I think he already is
who is T.J. Quinn
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 17, 2009 12:26 AM EST up reply actions
winning the WS by 1 run in game 7 is still wining.
They Yankees don’t need to win 20-0 every night in a 4 game sweep. They don’t need Holliday.
Donald Livingston is a really good scholar
agree or disagree with his views, the idea that he’s more dangerous in the academy than terrible writers and nonsensical thinkers like Frederic Jameson or Judith Butler is ludicrous
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I don't really see why his institute would be setup the way it is
it seems to have a social aspect to it that I just don’t understand the point of, which is especially telling since he’s not a historian
I happen to think that the anti-federalists who opposed the Constitution had a number of good points and that the way the whole matter was achieved was very questionable, but I’m not going to setup a summer camp about it. I’m not going to try to preserve the anti-federalist’s values in the present day. Not so much on moral grounds, just because it seems pointless.
Well, the idea generally is
that the academy has a bunch of sissie, left-wing, Commie-loving, America-haters who try to indoctrinate our precious children into thinking the United States isn’t God’s special nation. I don’t think it’s incorrect to call into question an institute founded to study and possibly promote a point of view that is often latched onto because of racism.
It’s interesting that Livingston (who, as Will noted, isn’t a historian) finds Lincoln so odd and un-American when he’s really just continuing the idea that a centrally-planned economy and state are a good thing. This is basic stuff that people like Alexander Hamilton, Daniel Webster, and Henry Clay had been arguing for years. This is a major strand of American thinking, no less pure than Jefferson’s ideas, and one that actually made sense (unlike an agrarian slave-based economy) during an increasingly industrial and technologically-driven 19th century.
If you were stuck in the Yale English department in the 1950s (or even today, where New Criticism still has a big foothold), you might also have turned out a little like Frederic Jameson. Butler and Calhoun also went to Yale, so maybe there’s something to it.
Ideology aside
Jameson and Butler are embarrassments as writers. The fact that they both think Louis “The Paris Strangler” Althusser is anything other than a cautionary tale pretty much says it all.
People can question whatever they want… Livingston and his friends aren’t even a blip in the radar. But they do allow self-righteous morons to make a mountain out of a molehill when some other group with a fraction of the money and none of the influence of most “research groups” of whatever persuastion. They have no real following among the populous that would effect change, no lobbyists, etc.
And, as an aside, Livingston’s stuff on Hume blows away anything Butler and Jameson have ever done. Butler more than deserved Philosophy and Literature’s “Bad Writing” award; it should have been named after her (or Homi Babha). It’s a measure of her “marginalization” that she and her jet-setting friends whined and complained about her being exposed like that and the award was canceled after she won it.
Jameson’s book on Adorno was such a travesty that they should have revoked his “scholar of Marxism” credentials. It’s as if they didn’t bother having an editor.
The idea that Jameson and/or Butler threaten any establishment other than 1) logic or 2) coherent prose is a laughable academic fiction from the 1960s.
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 16, 2009 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
Hey d_f- congrats on the big shout out from Rany.
He even called you “our own”… how nice.
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Yeah, it was nice
I’m not sure what “our” means, but it made me feel good
I’m a bit uncomfortable with the catcher d thing being called “definitive,” since, you know it isn’t, but it still made me feel good.
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 16, 2009 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting read on Chapman's throwing session
Remember that he didn’t go “all-out” when throwing yesterday. This was just to show teams he has it.
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ESPN video on Chapman.
You can see his release and fluidity. Chapman pen video.
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Thoughts on the Mizzou to the Big Ten rumors?
I think its just talk but I’m curious to hear from Mizzou fans. Seems like this comes up every five years or so just so Mizzou can crow about how they are better in academics than the rest of the Big 12 and are too good for us.
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Hadn't heard anything!
Link please?
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Just talk
Alvarez: Big Ten to push for 12th team
If Big Ten Called, Missouri Would Listen
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 16, 2009 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
If I were the Big 12 the next headline would read:
M-I-Z! O-U-T!
If MU is seriously flirting with the Big 10, the Big 12 should just kick them out and get it over with. I can see why MU would want to change. They get screwed every year in bowl selection for football.
If it did happen, who would the Big XII tap as a replacement?
Colorado State? Arkansas? TCU?
Unless I'm wrong...
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Missouri State?
the Big 12 would kick Colorado and become the Big Ten. The Big Ten would then have 12 teams and call themselves the Big Twelve…
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Perhaps the Chiefs
Although its doubtful they could be competitive in that conference
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 16, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
There is
absolutely no way in hell Arkansas leaves the SEC for the Big 12.
by powder blues on Dec 16, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
They Almost Did
Back in thew SWC days. K-State was going to be kicked out to make room for them.
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by philofthenorth on Dec 16, 2009 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
Ummm......
the SEC is far superior than the days of the SWC. Your point makes no sense……or lack of a point i guess.
by powder blues on Dec 16, 2009 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
No Particular Point
But I do think the SWC was much better than you remember it. I lived in Arkansas when Holtz and Sutton were coaching in Fayetteville. Arkansas could never beat Texas, and the refs always screwed them somehow. Every other SWC team was from Texas, so all Arkansas’s conference games had to be done by refs from Texas to avoid bias.
Apparently Arkansas’s departure for the SEC and professional football in Dallas and Houston, as well as the need for a conference championship, more or less forced the conference to disband.
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by philofthenorth on Dec 19, 2009 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
As a KU fan
I would hate to see them leave, honestly. To be honest, I would hate to see anyone from the Big 12 North leave (even K-State, b/c I would miss bitch-slapping my little brother on a regular basis, although not too sure that anyone is dying to capture the Topeka/Manhattan/Wamego TV markets). Two reasons: several of us have been together for what, almost a century or more, and, any North team that leaves would probably be replaced by Arkansas, which tilts the balance of power even more in Texahoma’s favor.
One problem I see with Mizzou and the thing that has always really bothered me about them is this over-inflated and unfounded sense of self-importance. Football? They are no better than KU. Basketball? Puhleeze. Academics? I heard that they rank 9th in the Big 12 in academics according to US News and World Report. My point is not to bag on Mizzou, but rather the idea that the grass is always greener on the other side.
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Dec 16, 2009 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
If Mizzou leaves
You know they’d still play KU.
And I’ll show up in Lawrence for KU-Mizzou games wearing red and blue and screaming Rock Chalk Jayhawk.
This is from someone who bleeds purple, loathes Douglas County Community College with a burning, seething passion, and allowed the joy over Manginogate to completely overshadow any ill feelings over no KSU bowl game this year.
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I would guess
One game a year in both sports played in KC.
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Frankly, it made sense at the time
(the whole Sprint Center); I mean AEG is still on the hook for $150M of the building in basically free cash for the city
How does Arkansas joining
the north tilt the favor even more as you say? It is a better athletic program than every school in the north minus KU and that depends on the sport.
by powder blues on Dec 16, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
My New Little
Sister (a long story) and her husband share a sky box in Fayetteville with Frank Broyles’ son. Half a dozen of my relatives went to K-State. I’m still a KU fan. Go figure.
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by philofthenorth on Dec 16, 2009 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
wonderful
MU no better than KU in football? Look at that again.
And their overall ranking is in the same pack as ISU, KU, and Neb. Nothing outstanding overall (not going to compete with UT, TAMU, Baylor, or Colorado), but nothing to be ashamed of.
by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on Dec 16, 2009 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
Mizzou isn't better than KU at football and basketball?
I’d say historically they are much stronger in football and their tradition in basketball is also very rich, though not comparable to KU’s yet. I do think that Mike Anderson and the Fastest 40 Minutes in Basketball are going to get them to the Final Four very soon, and they are going to give Kansas a serious run for their money in the Big 12 year in and year out.
Not to mention that last year they beat Kansas at home, won the Big 12 Tournament, and made it further than KU in the NCAA tournament. And beat them in football this year. In hilarious heartbreaking fashion.
by Soria's Unibrow on Dec 16, 2009 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
I'd take out the yet, Mike Anderson will build a solid program. However, it's not going to match KU's program.
their tradition in basketball is also very rich, though not comparable to KU’s yet.
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I can't see a scenario
where they add any school that isn’t Rutgers, or ND… Perhaps Syracuse but they are a trainwreck in football.
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by averagegatsby on Dec 16, 2009 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
yes, but that is transient
Syracuse has a great football tradition. now I don’t know if they don’t care anymore or they’re just in a bad stretch, but they have historically been very good.
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Dec 16, 2009 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
I thought Deadspin actually had a good take on this
The Big 11 seem to want to have it both ways: they want to say how much they are an academic partnership and nobody loves their pointless tradition more than they do. Basically every conference game at this point is for some trophy or something.
To add a school basically just to have a conference championship game, in one sport, is pretty weak sauce.
http://deadspin.com/5427330/big-ten-considers-desperate-plea-for-attention
In the end, nothing happens
There is a faction within the conference (with Joe Paterno perhaps the most vocal) that wants expansion, at least in part to keep the conference playing past the weekend before Thanksgiving. The faction is loud enough that Delany needs to take the issue seriously, so the conference announces it will take a fresh look at adding another team. A conference subcommittee then investigates the potential candidates, a few news stories leak to keep the conference in the news (one week, Rutgers will be the hot school; Mizzou, the next; and so on). The candidates will not mind playing along, as it adds to their prestige, but will make overt moves to avoid what happened with the Big East/ACC disaster. In reality, each of the candidates has at least one factor to sink its chances — not good enough academics, not a big enough market, etc. After while, the subcommittee releases its recommendation that although there are several wonderful schools, none of them quite fit right now. And the issue goes away for another five years.
Two things could change it, although both are real longshots. First, the threat of the Big Ten adding the 12th team might spur Notre Dame to reconsider, as Notre Dame has always had that possibility in its back pocket but the 12th team would effectively close that window. Second, one of the candidates may be so eager to join that it agrees to “buy in” by taking substantially less revenue than the other schools for a period of time (as the Big Ten, unlike the Big 12 and others, splits all conference revenues equally). Again, neither is likely but not inconceivable.
There really is only one candidate capable of making the move to the BigTen
and you’re right it is Notre Dame. I think the time is right too. At this point, Notre Dame needs the BigTen more than the BigTen needs Notre Dame. Unless they get that powerhouse rolling again, I doubt NBC will want to televise all their games.
Yeah
Notre Dame has no intention of sharing their money, and there is no way that a conference would let them in and not make them share at least some of it.
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by averagegatsby on Dec 16, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
The NBC contract money is down to around $9 million per year
While probably not quite there yet, the Big Ten could close the gap with its increased revenue from its renegotiated television contracts and the Big Ten Network. The addition of Notre Dame would increase the value of both, plus guarantee Notre Dame a cut of the BCS bowl proceeds (which ND does not get the years when it fails to make the BCS) and other conference revenue.
Again, it is not likely this time around, but Notre Dame is definitely following how much the cable channel is making for the Big Ten schools.
If they return to prominence
And make it to a bowl game every 3 years they still come out ahead though. And even though Im a Notre Dame apologist, if they are in the top 10 they are getting a BCS bid.
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by averagegatsby on Dec 16, 2009 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
That's a pretty big if
The current return to prominance has taken a lot longer than anyone expected. At some point, the guaranteed money — not just from the BCS bowls but from the conference TV contracts and cash cow cable network (which the member schools own) — make up the difference. In fact, the right to own a piece of the network (not just share in the revenue) might be the biggest financial incentive.
Again, the finances are not there yet, but it is moving closer, and the gap might be closed when the NBC contract expires in 2015 (if there is an NBC then).
Fair enough...
but if the Big 11 adds a school, its going to be a lotter harder to force their way in
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by averagegatsby on Dec 16, 2009 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
Right
As mentioned above, one of the (perhaps intended) consequences of the new evaluation of adding a 12th team is to put some pressure on Notre Dame — it may need to reconsider its position from ten years ago if the window is closing and it loses the chance to get an ownership interest in the cable network. The NBC deal expires in 2015, so the school will need to consider its options in next couple of years.
Well...
I would imagine the arrogance of Notre Dame thinks that if they are competitive enough to score another BCS title game by 2013 then the problem will take care of itself. Not saying this is a good idea, but probably is at least some of their logic.
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by averagegatsby on Dec 16, 2009 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
Another BCS title game?
The next one will be the first.
My bad...
I just meant a BCS game. Woops
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by averagegatsby on Dec 16, 2009 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
No problem
After all, you did admit that you were a Notre Dame apologist upfront
Well I want to get that out there in front...
Because I really do want to have good debate, and for the most part I try to be objective. And since I try to be objective I want someone to call me out if Im being to “homerish”
Having said that I see no way how the Royals don't win 100 this year
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by averagegatsby on Dec 16, 2009 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
the Cubs of college football
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 16, 2009 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
Agree, it seems like this one comes up every few years
doubt anything will ever come of it
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Nobody agrees with me on this
but if they can’t get ND to give in, the Big 10 should invite Miami (OH). I’m dead serious. Yeah, the football team’s been on the skids since that top-10 season, but they’ve got tradition, they’ve got academics, and they’re already totally in bed with the Big 10 in at least one sport (hockey).
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Doesn't really have much to do with tradition or academics
But money, and the TV Market of Oxford, Ohio just isn’t as compelling as potential TV markets in NYC (Syracuse or Rutgers), Pittsburgh (Pitt) or St. Louis/KC (Mizzou)
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 16, 2009 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
The TV Market of Oxford, Ohio
is non-existent. It’s Cincinnati they’d be pulling in, although the argument that they already have Cincinnati is not exactly false.
Actually, in my perfect world they’d talk Chicago into moving back to D-I. ;)
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Any chance MU is using this simply as a way to "protest" the Big 12's bowl arrangements?
Not sure if that makes sense, but could they simply be using this as a threat, perse, to get the BIG 12 to change their agreement with bowls to one that ensures teams are selected more on merit than on perceived drawing power?
I personally don’t see the Big 10 as any better or worse than the Big 12 prestige-wise; if anything, the Big 12 may have passed the Big 10 in the 2 major sports (men’s basketball and football). I just think MU is fed up with the way the conference is controlled by the (former) SW conference powers. I would venture to say that Nebraska, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, and Colorado ALL may share this sentiment – but perhaps not as strongly as MU feels about it.
Mr Glass, this is a pro sports team, not a retail store - run it like one!
Why the Big Ten over the Big 12?
The Big Ten generates greater revenue (starting its own network has been a boon) and shares conference revenues equally, which the Big 12 does not.
Mizzou does get screwed over almost annually when it comes to bowls
It’s kind of like a Christmas tradition. None will top the 2007 year where they were blatantly punished for making it to their conference championship game and then losing. Two teams that they had beaten head-to-head were picked ahead of them to go to BCS bowls. Illinois, who got absolutely destroyed by USC, and Kansas, who won the Orange Bowl against a Virginia Tech team playing like a pathetic shell of the team they had been all season up to that point. And their best offensive weapon was suspended for the first half. And Mizzou utterly dominated a loaded Arkansas team from the opening kickoff at the Cotton Bowl. And had been #1 in the country before the championship game. And we all know that Lew Perkins broke conference rules by guaranteeing ticket sales to secure that Orange Bowl spot.
But I digress.
The problem is, Mizzou fans have a reputation for not traveling well to bowl games. It’s like the chicken or the egg question: Do the fans not travel because they’re mad the team got screwed, or does the team get screwed because the fans don’t travel? Either way, it’s completely insane that TWO 6-6 teams were picked ahead of us for better bowls, and something should change. I don’t think going to the Big Ten is the answer though.
by Soria's Unibrow on Dec 16, 2009 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
We "know"?
And we all know that Lew Perkins broke conference rules by guaranteeing ticket sales to secure that Orange Bowl spot.
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Just your history fact for the day.
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The Big Ten doesn't want Missouri
And why would MU want to join them? They have better chances at winning something in the Big 12 North than in the Big 11.
If they do leave, I vote we boot Baylor and become the united Big 10, and those rustbelt guys can be the Big 12.
It's pronounced Poo-ZHOLS in Catalan.
It's All About
The championship game.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Dec 16, 2009 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
you can't boot Baylor
All of the big conferences keep a private school in their conference.
Something about how it keeps them from having to reveal all of their financial numbers.
by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on Dec 16, 2009 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
You have to cover up the fact that you're paying the players somehow
I’m kind of joking. Also, having a private school in the conference is like having a couple of nerds in your frat to bring up the house GPA. And it’s also fun to try and get them laid at the parties!
by Soria's Unibrow on Dec 16, 2009 7:20 PM EST up reply actions
Laid? They're Baptists.
Try to get them to dance.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Dec 16, 2009 7:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
On a serious note, however
The school administration is pretty conservative about religion. Despite that, many Baptists view Baylor as liberal. In case you were wondering, that claim is as ridiculous as it sounds. I think the school will have a hard time improving its academic rating unless it places less of an emphasis on religion. Ideally, I would like to see them pull a Wake Forest type of transition. Unfortunately, I don’t think they can financially afford to do so. Also, they have used religion as a pretty effective recruiting tool to get some of the higher ranked basketball and football players they have signed. I think they’re goal is to become some sort of Protestant version of Notre Dame, but I don’t think that will never happen.
We've definitely helped other schools look better
When you have players killing each other, paying a player doesn’t look so bad.
I'll defend Baylor since I went there
Aside from football, we are one of the best athletic schools in the conference, and our academic rankings are better than most of the rest of the Big 12. We are nationally ranked almost every year in baseball, tennis, track, and women’s basketball. Our men’s basketball program is improving as well. We have a top 20 recruiting class this year, another one next year (including the #3 prospect), and we are already receiving votes in both major polls. We suck at football, but could easily be an average D1 team next year.
The only way we don’t match up favorably with the rest of the Big 12 is in enrollment. We are about half as big as the next smallest school, and nowhere near as big as the other Texas schools.
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It’s all about the Wacons.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Dec 19, 2009 4:54 PM EST up reply actions














