Mariners Trade for Milton Bradley
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yikes.
This team is going to collapse colossally.
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Jack Z is a wizard
So they get rid of a crappy player in order to get a useful player, who makes the same amount of money? Wow.
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he's being needlessly praised
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 18, 2009 4:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, he's never given a decling player an 8 year/$136 million contract
much less a 5 year/$91.5 million contract with vesting option.
Are you kidding me?
Not that I would be falling all over myself trying to go get Milton Bradley, but getting anything for the corpse of Carlos Silva is incredible. Jack Z must have gone into the menu and enabled “Force Trades: On.”
by Soria's Unibrow on Dec 18, 2009 1:26 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I wish i was a Mariner's fan
Look at how happy they are over there. It makes me sad and jealous.
basically he's made more good moves in a year than GMDM has made in 3 1/2 years
Acquire Franklin Gutierrez, Mike Carp, Endy Chavez, Aaron Heilman, Ezequiel Carrera, Mikel Cleto for J.J. Putz, Sean Green, Jeremy Reed, and Luis Valbuena (HUGE steal in a three team trade)
Acquire Jack Wilson and Ian Snell for Jeff Clement and Ronny Cedeno (not a fleecing but definitely a defensible trade)
Trade Silva for Bradley (win)
Trade Betancourt for Cortes and Saito (total steal)
Trade Jarrod Washburn for Luke French and Maurico Robles (good impending FA salary dump)
Jettison bloated contracts belonging to Johjima, Bedard, Batista, and Beltre (common sense moves, allows for $60mm coming off the books)
Re-sign Ryan Langerhans for nothing
Sign Chone Figgins to an undervalued deal
The Battle for Grass Creek is turning into a massacre. Seriously, I have M’s envy right now.
Waiting for April.
someday...
the worst of those guys will be here after their usefullness has ended!
by who am i? on Dec 18, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
New Royals slogan for 2010
“Slow and steady wins the race!”
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I'm assuming the rage should be in sarcasm font
I mean seriously. Yes, if we could have traded JoGui for Bradley, that is the only possible scenerio that makes even a remote amount of sense.
Is this the same Milton Bradley that has barely averaged 100 games played since 2003?
The same Milton Bradley that has hit 20 HRs ONCE in his career?
The same Milton Bradley that has never had 80 RBIs (I know everyone hates RBIs, but christ, to never have 80….)?
The same Milton Bradley that hasn’t played two consecutive full seasons for the same team since 02-03?
The same Milton Bradley that is now 32 and on the downslope of his career?
Yes, he can get on base, but he can’t stay healthy/sane and there is no way in HELL he doesn’t melt down in KC and force his way out of town/into exile in the first year.
I guarantee there’s at least one person in here bitching about how we could have Bradley that wouldn’t have taken him when we were going to trade for him in early 08 (right before his career season BTW).
I don’t want Milton Bradley on my team…much less for a two year committment. If you do, then you are a moron and should have your GMDM criticizing rights REVOKED!!!!
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True
And I agree, if we couldv’e traded JoGui for him, that’s fine. I still don’t want him on my team and I still don’t think there’s any change he plays more than 125 games in a Royals uniform over the remaining 2 years. But I don’t want JoGui on my team either. I just think every argument for the Royals trading for Milton must include the provision ONLY IF WE COULDV’E TRADED HOGUI. A lot of the rumors I saw had the Cubs wanting Meche. If we would have done that, it would have been reprehensible, especially after the Ms got him for Silva.
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he played 126 games in 08
and 124 in 09, without the ability to DH
I think you are overstating his fragility
he’s a good player, the fact that he doesn;t have high RBI totals is tied to playing time
Those were his two strongest seasons in terms of games played for his career
I think he played 140 one season early in his career. And I don’t think that injuries are the only reason he misses lots of games. It is his mental fragility I am worried about. It doesn’t matter why you aren’t playing…..you can’t be productive if you aren’t on the field. Which verifies, yes, you can’t have high RBI totals when you aren’t playing. Same way you can’t get on base if you’re on the bench, or sitting at home, or arguing with Carl Everett about the legitimacy of dinosaur existence…….
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If it was Meche for Bradley straight up
that was pretty dumb, but I think that deal was assuming the Cubs would be sending us money, and it would free up a good chunk of payroll commitment, so it wouldn’t have been terrible.
Bradley’s 2008 was pretty incredible, from a production standpoint and from a not being bat shit crazy standpoint. Considering that the Ms got to unload one of the worst contracts in baseball in acquiring Bradley, if after a month Bradley is the player you’re so afraid of him being and not the player he was in 2008, they can release him, and will have still won the trade. Actually, they could release him tomorrow and still ‘not lose’ the trade.
It was likely that the Ms were on the verge of simply releasing Silva and eating the whole remainder of the contract. If there’s any tiny risk of any upside to Milton Bradley, this is a coup for the Seattle front office. If Bradley’s the player he was in 2008, Seattle could run away with the west.
Plus, given Jack’s GM superpowers, he could turn around and flip Bradley for something else useful.
Let's just trust the process.
by trusttheprocess on Dec 18, 2009 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
Yes Carlos Silva for Milton Bradley is a good trade in theory
Except that it puts Milton Bradley on your team. It’s kind of like signing TO…..if you can get one productive year from him before he melts down and ruins your team, then great. If you have him for the 2nd year and are mildly surprised when it turns bad, then you’re an idiot. You are betting that he can stay healthy and sane for a full year, which history shows is unlikely. Even if you get that, you still have the meltdown year for 10 mil….better than Silva for 2/24, but not good. If given the option between being punched in the face and kicked in the nuts, I’ll take neither.
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Think of it this way
From where the Mariners were, now that the trade has gone through, they basically signed Milton Bradley for 2/$6M. That’s a pretty good risk/reward situation.
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 18, 2009 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
I don't want to think of it that way.....
Because it doesn’t support my original argument.
However, then yes, I would take Bradley for 2/$6M, because the 125 games of production would be worth the money.
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by Discodave on Dec 18, 2009 5:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I would have went all caps instead of admitting that.
I used to work with an old man that told me- Son, every workplace has a dumbass. If you don't have one where you work, then I'm afraid you're it.
Jack’s almost too awesome for his own good – it will get to the point where the other GMs just won’t return his calls and he won’t be able to make these kinds of moves in the future.
This deal gets even better for the Ms if Bradley takes ABs away from Griffey’s corpse.
Let's just trust the process.
by trusttheprocess on Dec 18, 2009 3:26 PM EST reply actions
There's a reason we're gushing over the M's GM
and it’s because he absolutely just crushed Hendry on this deal. If Silva is a useful pitcher for the Cubs I would be extremely surprised.
Discodave
Despite your comment, I do not plan to turn in my GMDM criticizing rights after the following comments:
Let’s look at this trade in simple terms.
Seattle owed Silva 25m, sent Chicago 6m. Bradley is owed 22m.
Essentially, Seattle signed Bradley to a 2 year, $3m per year contract. (25m-9m saved) versus (22m commited)
Is Bradley worth $3m per year for two years? I think most projection systems would have him at a 2 or even a 3 WAR player for the next two seasons. That should answer the question beyond any rational person’s reasonable doubt.
Is the baggage an issue? Maybe yes, maybe no – but to suggest that “chemistry” or some such thing is so essential on the 2010 and 2011 Royals as to exclude such an obvious steal of a trade is ludicrous.
As for me, I now pray everyday that Moore stops dealing with Seattle, period – because he is clearly in over his head when dealing with Jack Z.
Mr Glass, this is a pro sports team, not a retail store - run it like one!
You only have to turn in your rights...
If you actually want him on your team. I can see the justification, and I can see how the WAR would be worth the money. It’s not chemistry I’m worried about. It’s the fact that he can barely make it through one year without alienating the team and being sent home, much less two years. So the gamble makes sense if you talk about it relative to 6 million, because worst comes to worst, you cut him. However, to suggest that it is even in the realm of possibility that he plays 2 years for the Royals or 250+ games is erroneous. To use that as the basis for justification is extremely optimistic at best.
I don’t think the Mariners made a bad trade. I just don’t agree with people acting like having Milton Bradley on your team is a good thing.
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I don't think anyone would openly root for signing him on the free agent market.
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