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Guys we should be talking to instead of Podsednik



It looks like there are a bunch of major league average OF guys available right now that could be signed for almost nothing. Any of them would be an upgrade over Guillen in right and an upgrade over whoever is going to be our 4th outfielder. They would also have the distinct advantage of not being Scott Podsednik, a guy who has put up a negative WAR three of the last four seasons and would command a much higher salary due to his veteran status. Let's take a look at some of the cheap talent we will probably pass on to vastly overpay Pods and his gritty leadership, thus declaring our OF complete.

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1. Gabe Gross

I know he couldn't hit last year, but everyone is entitled to have a bad season every once in a while. Historically he has hit better and is almost always average-to-above-average at getting on base. He seems to be BABIP cursed, putting up .259, .276, and .294 the last three seasons. If that upward trend continues, he's due for a little regression to the mean breakout year this year. Combine that with his nice fielding in RF (check out d_f's article about Gross over at fangraphs, he's better at explaining it than me) and we have a cheap 4 WAR upgrade over Jose "I Suck" Guillen.

 

2. Ryan Church

Another guy who is cheaper, younger, and better than Guillen, though that's not hard to do. He usually hits in the area of .270/.350/.460, though last year he had an uncharacteristic drop in SLG to .384. If he put up his usual line for the Royals last year, he would have been near the top of the team leaderboards in each of the Three Slash categories. His glove is also above average and plays best in RF. Check out Tango's Defensive Scouting Report on him. I had to use the 2008 one since the 2009 one isn't out yet. He's good across the board, and his career UZR/150 of 5.7 in the OF with a 14.2 in RF agrees.

 

3. Eric Hinske

I don't like him as much as the last two guys, but I still think he's worth a look. Though he doesn't hit for much average, his OBP is usually good. His glove is also decent at either corner OF spot, and he could even fill in at 1st or 3rd in a pinch. Hillman would probably use him as a defensive replacement after pinch running for Billy Butler in every game. He also just won a World Series with the Yankees, so he could TEACH US HOW TO WIN with his INTANGIBLES.

 

Some other guys I wouldn't mind us talking to

Wily Mo Pena - He's never put it together, but he has absurd power. Every once in a while he unleashes a towering blast into the parking lot, but the rest of the time he goes back to being Bruce Banner. Glove is iffy as well. I have just never been able to forget the guy after I saw him hit three home runs and a double in one game when he was with the AAA Louisville Bats. Then I went to the Louisville Slugger factory and I saw his name on one of the bats. His signature was scrawled on there like a five-year-old's.

Chad Tracy - He's had a couple of down years as a 1B/3B for Arizona, but he has done reasonably well in the OF in his career, even starting several games there, mostly in RF. Part of his downturn last year was almost hilariously bad BABIP luck, posting a .251. Definitely a longshot and probably too expensive, but what the hell?

Reed Johnson - A pretty good hitter but his glove plays best in LF, where we already have a defensive all-star. Also likely to be pricier than some others on the list.

 

I also noticed the name Josh Whitesell on the MLBTR list of free agent 1Bs. He's 28 and has barely gotten a shot in the majors, but his OBP has been off the charts throughout his entire minor league career. His fielding is not great, but it would be a big improvement on Butler's. Bill James projects him as a .267/.364/.438 hitter next year. He can play 1B and we can make Baconator the full time DH. And I bet he'd be very cheap, too! I look at him as a way for Dayton to put a Kila clone on the team without having to actually put Kila on the team, because he hates Kila for some reason. I'm also aware that Dayton will never make this move or any of the others I suggested because he also irrationally hates Royals fans.

 

In conclusion, my OF in 2010: DDJ in LF, Maier in CF, and Gross/Church in RF, with Whitesell at 1B and Butler DH

Dayton's probable OF in 2010: DDJ in LF, Podsednik in CF, Guillen in RF, with a Butler/Frank Thomas/Jason Giambi platoon at 1B/DH.

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Guys we should be talking to instead of Podsednik

Everyone.

Seriously, nice write up and I completely agree. I’d add Johnny Gomes and Austin Kearns to that list, and I think Wily Mo Pena’s arm injury completely sapped him of his power.

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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 18, 2009 4:30 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Aw man

Too bad about Wily Mo. I will always have a soft spot for him and his oddly spelled name, his terrible penmanship, and his one tool ability. But man, think of what he could have achieved if he could have put that power to good use. I saw him hit one out of Fenway a couple of years ago on TV that cleared the Green Monster by about 40 feet.

I almost put Gomes and Kearns on here. Now that I look at it, I don’t know why I left Kearns off. Not much of an average, but he gets on base and plays good defense. In other words, he’s exactly the type of player I want to see Dayton going after—OBP and defense are relatively cheap and effective at improving a baseball team. Actually, he’s another player due for a good old fashioned “BABIP regression to the mean” comeback season. He put up a .251 and a .258 in 2008 and 2009, respectively. If his BABIP goes back up to around .300, that average will improve to around the .260s. I’d take that, especially if he brings some of his power back from those early seasons.

I left Gomes off because I don’t know how to feel about him. His bat varies pretty wildly from year to year. His best year was 2005, where he hit .282/.375/.534 with 21 HRs. That’s pretty awesome. But then he was below average the next three seasons, and his ABs suffered as a result. Last year he started coming back to his best numbers, posting a .267/.338/.531 line and hit the 20 HR mark again. Keep in mind this was with the Reds in the NL. His defense is also pretty awful, as his career UZR/150 in LF is -25.7 and -20.2 in RF. Which is still, incredibly, a vast improvement over Guillen. Wow.

You know, I wouldn’t mind Gomes either, for the right price. There are a whole lot of cheap decent options out there.

by Soria's Unibrow on Dec 18, 2009 5:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting that we never see these names even associated with the Royals on the rumor sites.

I wonder if GMDM even considers such moves. If he did, I would think we would at least hear their names somewhere besides here.

by Steve Hovley on Dec 18, 2009 5:20 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

That's the sad part about writing stuff like this

It’s just what I would do if I were in Dayton’s shoes. For all I know, he’s going after all of them. I hope he is. I don’t want to hate my favorite team’s GM, it’s just that he leaves me no choice by making the same mistakes repeatedly and running the Royals into the ground. When Dayton starts making smart moves and turning this team around, I’ll be the first one to praise him.

Judging from his track record, though, especially in the last two seasons or so, I don’t think he’s looking for relatively cheap, relatively young talent. He seems to overvalue veteran leadership and has trouble identifying holes that need to be filled, addressing instead “problems” that nobody sees except him, like getting a veteran catcher this offseason or his never-ending quest for a fast leadoff hitting centerfielder.

by Soria's Unibrow on Dec 18, 2009 6:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Boys

the Royals are not going anywhere soon

by Cardnal on Dec 18, 2009 5:28 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

can we steal this fan away from the cardinals?

they are so lucky to have him and his valuable insight

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by benfunke on Dec 18, 2009 6:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Best fans in baseball.

by NotAHippie on Dec 18, 2009 6:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

who is the benfunke guy?

he’s so smart, witty, attractive, strong, and has outstanding grammar — i wish i could be him….

You used to know me as benf.... Now you know my true identity...MacGyver

by SagehenMacGyver47 on Dec 18, 2009 6:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Why the name change?

You could have gone for TobiasFünke.

by AxDxMx on Dec 18, 2009 9:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i try to distance myself from the doctor (although my fantasy b-ball team is 'The Nevernudes')

although i did dress as him for halloween once

the name change has been a long time coming, i was just reluctant to leave my track record behind. a moniker seems so standard, yet i neglected to adopt one early on in my SBN career. changing names seems sort of like telling your family you are a transexual (a metaphor that could be taken as offensive, i know, but bear with me) in that you’re saying ‘you guys thought i was this, but it turns out this is who i really am’.

anyway, enough about me—how ’bout them chiefs

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by benfunke on Dec 18, 2009 9:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

last time i saw anything on podsednik was that it wasn't happening

gotta hold on to things for weeks i guess.

baseball rules.

by doublestix on Dec 18, 2009 6:06 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

That would be great

I’m just going off of MLBTR. The last thing they said about us in regards to Pods was on Dec. 10, and it said we were not willing to offer him a second year (maybe Dayton is finally learning?).

Where did you read that we weren’t interested anymore?

by Soria's Unibrow on Dec 18, 2009 6:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Dutton mentioned it a while back

i’ll try and find it. i don’t think it necessarily said not interested, but he said “dead end.”

baseball rules.

by doublestix on Dec 18, 2009 6:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

some White Sox fans said he was trying to get 2/10

which is hilarious on many levels

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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 18, 2009 6:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Anybody expecting him to be anything more than a quality backup

And emergency injury fill-in will be disappointed. He’ll probably still get paid more than he’s worth based on reputation though.

by Soria's Unibrow on Dec 18, 2009 8:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

hilarious

for everyone except us

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by benfunke on Dec 18, 2009 10:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't worry,

the only reason anyway thinks 2 for 10 is realistic is because the Royals are looking for a speedy centerfielder.

Oh, sh**

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

by Warden11 on Dec 18, 2009 11:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

we are so f***ed (clinically depressed winky-face)

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by benfunke on Dec 18, 2009 11:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I wish you

the best next year

by Cardnal on Dec 18, 2009 6:06 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Thank you

Good luck to the Cardinals next year, too. Hopefully the I-70 series is more competitive this year. I always look forward to those games because I’m from the east side of the state and grew up cheering for St. Louis.

by Soria's Unibrow on Dec 18, 2009 6:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Addition

I like Church over the other two.

If, for argument sake Church plays a lot and hits well.

Gordon, Butler, Church all should post 35+ doubles a piece.

Doubles are a dream in Kauffman as we all know. The problem however is the Royals still lack that table setter. Imagine over 100 doubles from the middle of the order, with two guys at the top getting on base.

Here’s my plan:

Trade Guillen for anything you can get.

Consider trading Meche, if there is a market for him (Prospect deal – Royals could use a young OF or INF prospect)

Re-sign Crisp, hopefully the guy will be healthy and productive, he is a solid leadoff man when healthy

Sign Endy Chavez and Ryan Church

Both provide depth and some speed.

Sign Erik Bedard to an incentive laden contract.

Crisp
DDJ
Butler
Church
Gordon 3B/DH
Aviles / Betancourt SS
Getz
Kendall
Fields 3B?DH

Greinke
Meche
Bedard
Hochevar
Bannister
Davies

The Royals could also sign Russ Branyan – maybe he could DH full time?

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by Peterman700 on Dec 18, 2009 6:24 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Endy was another guy I took a look at

But then I saw that he only has one season where his OBP was above .330, and that was 2006 where he put up a .348. He ended up with .330 exactly in 2008. He’s also just coming off of a torn ACL and will likely be slower and less effective as a top of the order guy. His defense is pretty great, but I don’t think his bat is good enough to warrant starting him. Zack would probably hit with more power, he can’t really steal bases, and he doesn’t walk a ton.

I would not mind bringing Crisp back for the right price, maybe 1 yr/3M with an option year? He probably wouldn’t take that though. I definitely agree with trading Guillen for anything in the world, even if you have to pay most of his contract. It still beats the hell out of paying ALL of his contract for him to be worse than dead weight on this team. I think we should try and trade Meche at the deadline this year, especially if he has a good first half. He’s now on the wrong side of 30 and the injuries are kind of piling up. It wouldn’t be selling him at his most valuable, but we could move him before he’s worth any less.

I agree with going after Bedard, but only if we avoid overpaying. Since we’re talking about Kansas City, we’ll almost certainly have to outbid any other suitors, thus paying him more than he’s worth to overcome his desire not to come play for a small market losing team. I don’t know what it would take to get him here, but it would probably be something like the Meche contract. Lots of years, lots of money guaranteed.

Branyan would be nice. He could DH for us and be okay to fill in at 1B or RF every so often to give other players a rest. I have a feeling he’s going to want more than we want to give him though.

by Soria's Unibrow on Dec 18, 2009 8:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thought I read where Crisp was signed with the Padres?

Or did I dream that?

I used to work with an old man that told me- Son, every workplace has a dumbass. If you don't have one where you work, then I'm afraid you're it.

by Warden11 on Dec 18, 2009 8:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Must have dreamed it

He’s still a free agent according to MLBTR, updated today.

by Soria's Unibrow on Dec 18, 2009 9:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

just rumors, i believe

that they’ve been talking (Coco and SD)

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by benfunke on Dec 18, 2009 10:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So it is somewhat real!

Good to know that I’m not dreaming about Coco Crisp.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

by Warden11 on Dec 18, 2009 11:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I like Endy

But I believe he’s out for all of 2010

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Dec 19, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I was expecting this post to pretty much go as...

Guys we should be talking to instead of Podsednik

jump

Everyone

You really should get professional help. Your obsession with ND football is not healthy. ---Dr. lookingdeadred

by averagegatsby on Dec 18, 2009 11:02 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Jose Canseco And

Mickey Rourke should be on this list. Ricky, too.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Dec 19, 2009 2:18 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Dont say Ricky...

Im sure that guy would actually jump at the shot to play

You really should get professional help. Your obsession with ND football is not healthy. ---Dr. lookingdeadred

by averagegatsby on Dec 19, 2009 5:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ozzie Cansenco should be on this list, too

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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 19, 2009 6:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Jason Whitesell over Kila huh?

You remind me of Scott Piloi, thinking other teams trash will turn into stars.

by KCG816 on Dec 19, 2009 5:09 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

There are others out there that don't think he's trash

Look him up on Fangraphs and check out some of the articles that mention him. His situation is very similar to Kila’s in that he has put up some monster numbers his whole minor league career but just can’t get a break into the big leagues. In an ideal world Dayton would come to his senses and give Kila a shot next season, but it doesn’t look like that will ever happen. I also never said that Whitesell would be a star—simply that he would probably be above replacement level for close to league minimum.

Scott Pioli inherited an awful situation with the Chiefs. I don’t think he’s looking for stars on the trash pile either. It’s just that he thinks other teams’ castoffs are better than the “talent” Herm and Carl amassed over the last few years. He’s just trying to patch something resembling a football team together to make it through this season and next. When he’s had a couple of drafts to mold the team the way he wants it, he won’t be picking up so many dudes off the street.

by Soria's Unibrow on Dec 21, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I bet we could get Fernando Martinez

Minaya is known for dealing prospects and the Mets have some big holes to fill. We should try to trade Meche to the Mets for a bunch of prospects.

by rph on Dec 19, 2009 11:31 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

That might actually work

as silly as it sounds. Minaya is probably on of the few GMs worst than GMDM.

I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by kcscoliny on Dec 23, 2009 8:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Or Wily Coyote

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Dec 20, 2009 1:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I have to admit

I took to pronouncing his name “wily” instead of “Willie.” It was like his name was Mo Pena and he had a reputation for being a crafty veteran.

“Here comes old “Wily” Mo Pena to the plate…"

by Soria's Unibrow on Dec 21, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not to be an ass or anything

But I always thought it was Wile E. Coyote.

by AxDxMx on Dec 21, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It's A Phonetic

Thing. No, actually I was able to find it spelled both ways on a Google Image search, so I went with it. I’m sure you are correct, though.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Dec 21, 2009 5:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Can't possibly have too many Penas

Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!

by cmkeller on Dec 21, 2009 9:20 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

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