Royals Top Prospects: Overview
We've covered the Royals Top 60 Prospects. The state of the Royals Minor League system defies a one or two word synopsis. The system is deep, young, toolsy, and risky. They lack elite talent (at this point). They probably rank around #10 overall in minor league systems. Part of that is due to spending a lot of money and part of that is due to a drafts in 2007/2008 that were high school heavy and thus haven't graduated draftees to the majors yet. One would think they should rank even higher next year since most of these players will still be in the minors and the Royals will add the #4 pick in the draft.
Now we'll do an overview with some different ways to break down the Royals prospects.
First, here is the Top 60 broken down by position (my list actually ended up being 60 after we took out Tug Hulett and Juan Abreu but added in Ed Cegarra and Noel Arguellles who were late additions):
| 1B |
3. Eric Hosmer 14. Kila Kaaihue |
| 2B | 15. Johnny Giavotella |
| SS |
9. Jeff Bianchi 23. Yowil Espinal 48. Pedro Nivar 52. Deivy Batista 55. Ryan Wood |
| 3B |
5. Mike Moustakas 24. Cheslor Cuthbert 36. Malcolm Culver 40. Jason Taylor |
| Corner OF |
10. David Lough 13. Jordan Parraz 27. Tim Smith 53. Nick Van Stratten |
| CF |
21. Hilton Richardson 25. Derrick Robinson 35. Alex Llanos 39. Geulin Beltre 45. Jerico Blanco 46. Jarrod Dyson |
| C |
4. Wil Myers 31. Salvador Perez 37. Jose Bonilla 42. Ben Theriot 43. Manny Pina 44. Shin Jo-ho 50. Fernando Cruz 51. Sean McCauley |
| RHSP |
2. Aaron Crow 7. Tim Melville 17. Tyler Sample 18. Carlos Fortuna 19. Kelvin Herrera 22. Blake Wood 26. Keaton Hayenga 38. Ed Cegarra 54. Eduardo Paulino 56. Matt Mitchell 60. Dylan Lindsay |
| RHRP |
16. Louis Coleman 20. Carlos Rosa 28. Patrick Keating 29. Disco Hayes 30. Greg Holland 34. Chris Nicoll 41. Dusty Odenback 47. Cole White 48. Eric Basurto 58. Barry Bowden |
| LHSP |
1. Mike Montgomery 6. Dan Duffy 8. Noel Arguelles 11. John Lamb 12. Chris Dwyer 32. Crawford Simmons |
| LHRP |
33. Brandon Sisk 57. Rowdy Hardy |
We are deep in LHSP, RHSP, RHRP and C (although most of the catchers are a long way off). We have some of the best left handed depth in baseball. We are shallow in CF and corner OF. The biggest position of need in the whole organization is CF. It would be great if Derrick Robinson or Hilton Richardson capitalized on their tools but that looks like an uphill climb. Just FYI there doesn't look to be a CF worth taking at #4 in the draft this year.
Next we look at the approximate level that our prospects will be playing at. Take these projections with a grain of salt as I probably was a little more aggressive with this group and a few of these guys will be down a level (especially when looking at Low-A/Short-Season).
| Majors |
14. Kila Kaaihue 20. Carlos Rosa |
| AAA |
9. Jeff Bianchi 10. David Lough 13. Jordan Parraz 22. Blake Wood 27. Tim Smith 29. Disco Hayes 30. Greg Holland 34. Chris Nicoll 43. Manny Pina 46. Jarrod Dyson 57. Rowdy Hardy |
| AA |
1. Mike Montgomery 2. Aaron Crow 5. Mike Moustakas 6. Dan Duffy 15. Johnny Giavotella 16. Louis Coleman 25. Derrick Robinson 33. Brandon Sisk 58. Barry Bowden |
| High-A |
3. Eric Hosmer 7. Tim Melville 8. Noel Arguelles 28. Patrick Keating 38. Ed Cegarra 40. Jason Taylor 41. Dusty Odenback 47. Cole White 49. Eric Basurto 51. Sean McCauley 53. Nick Van Stratten 54. Eduardo Paulino 55. Ryan Wood 56. Matt Mitchell |
| Low-A |
4. Wil Myers 11. John Lamb 12. Chris Dwyer 17. Tyler Sample 18. Carlos Fortuna 19. Kelvim Herrera 21. Hilton Richardson 23. Yowil Espinal 26. Keaton Hayenga 31. Salvador Perez 35. Alex Llanos 36. Malcolm Culver 37. Jose Bonilla 42. Ben Theriot 52. Deivy Batista |
| Short Season |
39. Geulin Beltre 50. Fernando Cruz |
| Rookie |
24. Cheslor Cuthbert 32. Crawford Simmons 44. Shin Jo-ho 45. Jerico Blanco 48. Pedro Nivar 60. Dylan Lindsay |
As you can see, there isn't much help at the Majors/AAA. There are several players listed at AAA but several have had less than a year at AA so they would need plenty of time in AAA (and could begin the year in AA if they haven't progressed much by the end of Spring Training. From AA on down, there should be plenty of names to keep us minor league scoreboard watching during the summer.
Finally we look at how our prospects stack up vs. other prospects in the AL Central. I'm using Kevin Goldstein's ranking with his star system. I've bolded 5 star prospects (considered Top 30-40 in all of baseball) and italicized 4 star prospects (considered Top 100ish). Just FYI he said that Montgomery was borderline 5 star. I've also guessed 4 stars for Noel Arguelles for us.
| Chicago | Cleveland | Detroit | Kansas City | Minnesota |
| 1. Hudson-RHP-4stars | 1.Santana-C-5stars | 1.Turner-RHP-5stars | 1.Montgomery-LHP-4stars | 1.Hicks-CF-5stars |
| 2. Mitchell-CF-4stars | 2.Chisenhall-SS-4stars | 2.Crosby-LHP-5stars | 2.Crow-RHP-4stars | 2.Jean-SS-5stars |
| 3. Flowers-C-4stars | 3.White-RHP-4stars | 3. Jackson-CF-4stars | 3.Moose-3B-4stars | 3.Revere-CF-4stars |
| 4. Danks-CF-3stars | 4.Knapp-RHP-4stars | 4.Sizemore-2b-4stars | 4.Myers-C-4stars | 4.Ramos-C-4stars |
| 5. Viciedo-3B-3stars | 5. Hagadone-LHP-4stars | 5.Fields-SS-3stars | 5.Melville-RHP-4stars | 5.Gibson-RHP-4stars |
| 6. Morel-3B-3stars | 6.Rondon-RHP-3stars | 6.Oliver-LHP-3stars | 6.Arguelles-LHP-4stars? | 6.Morales-OF-3stars |
| 7. Santeliz-RHP-3stars | 7. Marson-C-3stars | 7.Avila-C-3stars | 7.Duffy-RHP-3stars | 7.Bromberg-RHP-3stars |
| 8. Tr. Thompson-OF-3stars | 8.Kipnis-OF/2B-3stars | 8. Satterwhite-RHP-3 stars | 8.Bianchi-SS-3stars | 8.Gutierrez-RHP-3stars |
| 9.Rodrigues-LHP-2stars | 9.Carrasco-RHP-3stars | 9.Ramirez-OF-3stars | 9.Hosmer-1B-3stars | 9.Valencia-3B-3stars |
| 10. Holmberg-LHP-2stars | 10. Brantley-OF-3stars | 10.Strieby-1B-3stars | 10.Dwyer-LHP-3stars | 10.Benson-OF-3stars |
| 11. CJ Retheford-2B-2stars | 11.Putnam-RHP-3stars | 11.Nunez-SS-3stars | 11.Lamb-LHP-3stars | 11.Bullock-RHP-2 stars |
Finally, here are my Ranking done Goldstein style with my own star rankings (admittedly it maybe a little on the homer side):
1. Montgomery-LHP-5stars
2. Crow-RHP-5stars
3. Hosmer-1B-4stars
4. Myers-C-4stars
5. Moustakas-3B-4stars
6. Duffy-LHP-4stars
7. Melville-RHP-4stars
8. Arguelles-LHP-4stars
9. Bianchi-SS-3stars
10. Lough-OF-3stars
11. Lamb-LHP-3stars
I think the Royals system is right there with Cleveland for best in the AL Central--although Goldstein would probably rank Cleveland first and then bunch up KC, Detroit and Minnesota.
What the Royals desperately need in 2010 is for Hosmer and/or Moose to bounce back and for some other position player talent to step up. They need the pitchers to stay healthy and make progress. They need to not pointlessly promote a top prospect and avoid looking like a second class organization in providing medical care to their minor leaguers.
Hope you've enjoyed the prospect series. It provides a little escapsim from the cold hard reality of the major league club.
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Nice work.
It's pronounced Poo-ZHOLS in Catalan.
yeah,
really like the by-position breakdown
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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Dec 23, 2009 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
oh, and the AAA/AA/A etc breakdown
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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Dec 23, 2009 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
+1
great overview of the system, thanks for posting
by Rhody Royals on Dec 24, 2009 8:52 AM EST up reply actions
Enjoyed reading your post
What I see in the list is the significant lack of depth outside of pitching. With the premium positions of CF and SS, we really have no depth at all. And wow, we are really lacking in depth at 2B too. It’s been said many times we lack great hitting prospects and that we really lack a lot of stars. Lets hope Derrick Robinson will really break out and post some decent numbers this year in AA. With Hilton Richardson lets also hope he figures things out. After all, he has been in rookie ball for 3 yrs now, so lets hope he can break out and move through the system faster than he has.
by Rogue Buddhist on Dec 23, 2009 11:27 AM EST reply actions
agreed...
and this could become a problem
by Will McDonald on Dec 23, 2009 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
Tyler Holt
Tyler Holt is someone that should be available in the second round. If he is
we should definitely take him. He’s known for having outstanding plate discipline, he sported a .517 OBP last year for the Seminoles, and from what I’ve read plays a very good CF.
.517 OBP automatically
disqualifies him from consideration
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.
you didn't have Myers at Low-A
where I’d assume you’d put him, making for an even more interesting Bees team next season.
That should be one helluva rotation
in NW Arkansas next season.
Mr Glass, this is a pro sports team, not a retail store - run it like one!
very cool to have it laid out like this
a part of me wants the royals to 100% keep doing what they’re doing, but another part of me wants a more diversified approach, we could use some college position players to provide some older depth to the system
After letting Ladnier go,
either DM or Piccolo or somebody in the front office said they were now looking mainly at college talent. The Royals 2009 draft was college heavy—but almost all arms. The 2010 draft looks to be pitching heavy again—although there is a college SS-Christian Colon who could be there for the Royals and might fit nicely (more on that when I do a draft preview piece in a month or so).
I think college players (assuming they aren’t a reach) are a good option—since they will match up well with the ‘waves’ of talent we have.
i think you're right about the waves of talent
and it will be interesting to see how college-heavy the Royals’ draft is this year. It’s too bad that both 2009 and 2010 drafts are college-heavy themselves, so the Royals drafting mostly college could be just a coincidence.
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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Dec 23, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
The change in draft philosophy
seems to coincide with the increased willingness to pay over slot in the 3rd and 4th round, which would make some sense. Drafting high school talent will probably get you a higher upside player, but with major risk (see: Moose and Hosmer). However, if you are willing to pay first round $$ in the third round, you can get high upside HS talent in the later rounds, while still getting the premium college (and safer) players in rounds 1 and 2.
As long as we are overpaying in rounds 3 and 4, I like the strategy.
Only first round college players the next 3 years
Going with Crow, who basically sat out the year, was a good move. I don’t care what happens next year. I’m sure it will be a shit show with players’ production all over the place.
As long as two of the Duff/Montgomerry/Melville/Crow/Lamb group can make it to the bigs by 2011 our pitching won’t be good enough to contend.
Greinke, Meche, Hochevar, one of the above as a fourth starter for the playoffs
by GobbleforCyoung on Dec 23, 2009 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
Christian Colon....
First of all, great post! Thank you. Glad to know this is available to look at. I definitely am keeping my eyes on Colon as I think he would be a great fit (if he bounces back from the leg injury.) Also, I think he could project as being ready in 2012 (the year after Betancourt is gone). Keith Law seems to like him and thinks he could bat in the #2 spot, so I like that as well. Hopefully, he is there for us to consider.
Also concerned about centerfield and corner outfield. I would like to know what prospects project to being available for our 2nd round pick.
Another name I think the Royals should consider is Bryce Brentz, although #4 may be a little early from some of the ranking I’ve seen. He might be the kind of guy that could bat cleanup for us in the near future.
Agree
I think I’d prefer diversity, but I want to see how this grand experiment works ouot.
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 23, 2009 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
corrected
how this grand experiment
flames
out
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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Dec 23, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
This post rules
I love looking at things this way. Before looking at how you’ve framed things here, I was abstractly guessing as to how our farm system currently stacks up. I have a much better idea now. Thanks a lot, so glad someone put this together.
*You think I'm good* "You know, that Farnsworth is pretty good." *You will give me 9 million dollars* "So, Farnsy, how does $9 million sound?"
by jackie ballgame on Dec 23, 2009 12:05 PM EST reply actions
I agree
People should mimic your posting style for prospect list.
by johnnycomelately9 on Jan 13, 2010 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
do you really think Kila will be in the majors next year?
I think he should, but for reasons that escape me, he seems to not have the trust of the brain trust.
In any case, I will enjoy watching the Omaha Royals this year if these guys are on that squad.
"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell
a little bit of wishful thinking
although he could very well be in the majors—but it may not be with the Royals
not something you see very often written about our favorite team
‘waves’ of talent
"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell
Great post
I’d like this stickied in the right hand column to refer to throughout the year.
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com
Great Breakdown
Thanks for all the hard work!
One thing I noticed amongst the lack of positional players is the lack of power bats specifically. No surprise, I know, but the decent corner prospects we have seem to me to have DJ upside (Lough, Smith) rather than your more typical corner players. Beyond Moustakas and Hosmer (maybe, hopefully), there’s an extreme power outage on the offensive side of the ball. Is Steve Balboni secretly running these drafts? Kidding. Love the pitching depth.
"Greinke and the Brain" (R) (C) TM
by SittinByTheFoulPole on Dec 23, 2009 12:32 PM EST reply actions
Excellent, excellent post!
nwroyal, You’ve done an awesome job with this series and this post is a great wrapup.
Rec'd
This is yet another excellent post. The articles in this series are the only RR reads of late that haven’t left me with some combination of frustration, anger, and/or despondence. I’m grateful for all your hard work and the minor leagues, where hope springs eternal.
Couldn't Agree More
I learned more about our MiLB system in the last 15 minutes than I had in all my previous life. One thing, though; where do you project Hosmer playing next year? I couldn’t find him listed in that portion of the post. Really nice work.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
i'd think Wilmington
i’m almost certain that’s where he’ll go. AA would be promoting him once again without much success at his previous level and Burlington would be a demotion.
Still waiting for those glasses--should be here by October 2010
just changed it and yes it would be crazy for him to be anywhere but Wilmington in 2010.
Dyson
You don’t have Jarrod Dyson playing either!! I’m high on him & don’t understand why he is so low on the list & why no one gives him credit for last yr?
by PREGNANT ROLLERSKATE on Dec 23, 2009 3:59 PM EST reply actions
added him to Omaha
I’m not exactly sure what we are supposed to give him credit for?—a 633 OPS at AA as age 25 is not exactly a big accomplishment.
Don't see him on...
the Omaha list??
The positives out way the negatives w/ Dyson. Negatives, has no power, light on the 2Bs, not getting any younger. Positives, will play MLB premium position (CF), plus arm, plus base stealer, solid on-base, solid batting avg & solid defender. He has 4 out of 5 tools & not reached his potential unlike possibly D. Robinson. I envision his tools similar to Coco Crisp BUT w/ a GREAT arm!
Below are Career Minor League #s:
J. Dyson: H. Richardson: D. Robinson:
AGE: 25yrs 21yrs 22yrs
Highest AA R (3yrs) A adv
Level
AB 801 607 1615
BA .270 .247 .243
OBP .343 .323 .307
SLG .325 .354 .318
SB/CS 107/24 44/16 186/61
BB/SO 84/170 58/185 143/342
Games/Fld% 139/.977 108/.948 274/.973
A/E 25/6 3/9 13/17
by PREGNANT ROLLERSKATE on Dec 23, 2009 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
oops, now it is really fixed.
I hope I’m wrong about Dyson—but I guess we’ll see.
Above Stats didn't program as I entered but...
the 3 CF prospects are listed @ top w/ their #s listed below their names from LEFT to Right.
by PREGNANT ROLLERSKATE on Dec 24, 2009 12:31 AM EST up reply actions
Anybody else find it bizzare that Dyson was added to the 40 man?
A 633 OPS at AA at age 25 doesn’t scream “prospect” very loudly.
I understand that he brings other skills, and that the Royals’ player evaluators are all about tools over results – but still…
Mr Glass, this is a pro sports team, not a retail store - run it like one!
I thought that he had no power and his OBP was anemic.
He does have speed… but can he jump over cars?
U R THINKGIN DERRICK ROBINSON!!!
minor league career: PA – 917 / AB – 801 / OBP – .343
Anemic???
by PREGNANT ROLLERSKATE on Dec 23, 2009 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
I'LL GIVE U 25 & OPS BUT...
those stats aren’t the whole picture!!! My main point is he is WAY to low on this list & far better than the prospects listed ahead of him!! This list has him @ 46th prospect overall & the 6th best CF prospect when he should be the #1 CF prospect and in the 15-25 overall prospect!!
Most reports say he has the best OF arm in our system & he is the most accomplished base stealler too. Compare his #s to the other CF prospects & specifically to Robinson! I predict Dyson will be called up this yr if he gets off to a good start & might be our 2011 starting CF.
by PREGNANT ROLLERSKATE on Dec 23, 2009 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
Dyson has the best OF arm?
I hadn’t heard that. Where did you see that?
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.
Baseball America
I don’t have a membership so I can’t access the archive.
Below is Career Totals for OF Assists/Errors for the top 3 CF Prospects:
J. Dyson: 25/6
H. Richardson: 3/9
D. Robinson: 13/17
Look @ my posting a few spots above for the overall #s coomparisons of these 3 players.
by PREGNANT ROLLERSKATE on Dec 24, 2009 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
Richardson's low assist numbers may be indicative of a very strong arm
where no one runs on him, or he could be terrible. Dyson’s 25 assists is pretty impressive though.
Finally, Respect...
just a little, but some respect was in order!!! 46 is WAY TO LOW on this list, Dyson is top 25 & I have him around 15. Also, I think the fact that Dyson was drafted in the 50th round out of CC might have made Dyson work harder at his game. On the other hand, it might be possible that Robinson has relied on pure athleticism to much bc Robinson was a 3rd or 4th rounder w/ hype while turning down a Flordia Football schalorship.
Look @ my post of the 3 CF Prospects Career Totals several post above this one!!!!!!!!!!!
by PREGNANT ROLLERSKATE on Dec 24, 2009 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
Hey PREGNANT ROLLER SKATE!
When Dyson proves he belongs higher on the list and/or makes MLB and kicks ass, you can point to this post saying you called it!
But for now, I doubt this will change too many minds.
Fair enough Ax..
but I never stated he will tear up MLB. I believe he will be in the DDJ contributor mold, not DDJ skill comparison for the record, but level of success.
by PREGNANT ROLLERSKATE on Dec 24, 2009 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
Jose Duarte
was voted best arm the last two seasons. Is he not in the system anymore? Duarte was voted best defensive outfielder as well.
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.
I'm aware of that...
but according to BA it appears Duarte has been overtaken in that ranking!!
by PREGNANT ROLLERSKATE on Dec 24, 2009 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
I have a BA account
and I haven’t read that anywhere. I was looking for it this afternoon and couldn’t find it. Not saying you are wrong just saying I couldn’t find it.
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.
I understand...
I wish I could access & look!! Best I can say is look @ his Assist/Errors.
by PREGNANT ROLLERSKATE on Dec 24, 2009 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
Great Stuff.... I liked the position report best.
I am one who takes all prospects who have not reached AA ball with a grain of salt. They can have great numbers down on the farm but hit the brick wall when the competition gets tougher. I do like the waves coming up but I’m most anxious to see what the Naturals do this season. I think Omaha should be improved unless Dayton brings in a gang of rejects to fill out the roster and plays them over our prospects. Just think Rowdy Hardy at Omaha. Hey, nobody thought Jamie Moyer would make it either. I think your four stars for Hosey is wishful thinking and that the scales could fall to the Colt Griffin side of things just as easily.
Again, great stuff. I do enjoy your insight into our organization.
Hey Grudz, getting any ice in Iowa?
It has been just warm enough here to be rain, but I fear what I will wake up to tomorrow morning, and then up to a foot of snow… Merry Christmas!
"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell
There wasn't anything really good about his stats
last year but everything I read about him before the draft was outstanding. Many people said he was the best hitting hs prospect since Mauer. I find it hard to believe those skills that ALL scouts saw just vanished. I think his problems last year were injuries/pressing himself. I expect him to rebound nicely this year. I just can’t see how everyone would be wrong about him, but then again if something like that would happen it would be to the royals.
by gordonrules on Dec 23, 2009 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
Has anyone seen a health report on the injured minor leaguers of 2009
I am thinking most about the young pitchers like K. Herrera, Cegerra and Mitchell. Herrera was a guy I was really excited about for for 2010 but didn’t really get any action. If he could come back at where he was before the injury, the minor league pitching gets even stronger. Rotation with the Bees could be Lamb, Fortuna, Sample, Hayenga, Herrera or Dwyer.
haven't heard anything
but I, too, was high on Herrera—and still am if he can stay healthy
Wilmington looks to have the worst set of regulars
While I like the potential pitching staff of Melville, Arguelles, Cegerra, and some of the relievers, their everyday lineup just doesn’t do much for me. With players that are ranked 40’s and up, that is usually an organizational type. Hosmer will anchor the lineup but going into 2010, I’m more than concerned. Taylor, Van Stratten, R. Wood and McCauley just don’t do much for me. I see the starting OF as Ortiz, Van Stratten and Norris. Is there any chance that Theriot might see time with the Blue Rocks since he was a college catcher? With Myers and Perez at Burlington, that position is full.
Another question – KC signed an Indy league guy named Frost who is an infielder. Is there any scouting on him? I would see him teaming with R. Wood as middle infielders with Blue Rocks.
DYSON / CF PROSPECTS ARGUEMENT...
I have several post about Dyson/CF Prospects in the middle of all these comments so I am consolidating them in this post.
My main point is Dyson is WAY to low on this list & far better than the prospects listed ahead of him!! This list has Dyson as the 46th overall prospect & the 6th best CF prospect when I believe his Tools & Results demonstrate that Dyson is the #1 CF prospect and in the 15-25 overall prospect range!! The positives out way the negatives w/ Dyson. Negatives, has no power, light on the 2Bs, not getting any younger. Positives, will play MLB premium position (CF), plus arm, plus base stealer, solid on-base, solid batting avg & solid defender. Dyson has 4 out of 5 tools & its perceivable that Dyson has not reached his potential unlike possibly D. Robinson. I envision his tools similar to Coco Crisp BUT w/ a GREAT arm! I read in Baseball America that Dyson had the best arm in the Texas League & in the Royals system if you look at his OF assist it backs up the article. Also, I think the fact that Dyson was drafted in the 50th round out of CC might have made Dyson work harder at his game. On the other hand, it might be possible that Robinson has relied on pure athleticism to much bc Robinson was a 3rd or 4th rounder w/ hype while turning down a Florida Football scholarship. I predict if Dyson gets off to a good start he will for sure be called up this yr & might be our 2011 starting CF.
Compare the #s below & notice Levels, ABs, Avgs, BB/K, & specifically Assists/Errors!!
Below are the Career Minor League Total #s for the top 3 CF Prospects:
AGE: ___________ 25yrs _ 21yrs _________ 22yrs
HIGHEST ________ AA _______ R (3yrs) _______ A adv
LEVEL:
AB: _____________ 801 ______ 607 __________ 1615
BA : ____________ .270 ______ .247 __________ .243
OBP: ___________ .343 ______ .323 __________ .307
SLG: ___________ .325 ______ .354 __________ .318
SB/CS: _________ 107/24 ____ 44/16 _________ 186/61
BB/SO: _________ 84/170 ____ 58/185 ________ 143/342
GAMES/Fld%: ____ 139/.977 _ 108/.948______ 274/.973
A/E: ____________ 25/6 ______ 3/9 ___________ 13/17
by PREGNANT ROLLERSKATE on Dec 24, 2009 1:55 AM EST reply actions
indeed
Nice to have a chuckle this morning
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 24, 2009 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
CF Prospects
Gotta believe Dyson is not ranked as high as you think he should, PRS, because of his age. Age 25 and still at AA is, at least to some degree, a minor red flag.
I’m not saying he won’t make it – obviously he has some skills (defense and baserunning, primarily), and the Royals brass think highly enough of him to put him on the 40 man – I’m just tempering my expectations for him.
Franky, I’m not impressed by ANY of the current toolsy CF candidates. I think that none of them will slug enough to do much more than Gathright. Sure hope I’m wrong.
FWIW, Art Stewart evidently believes in Robinson the most. I have a low opinion of Stewart myself (after all, he was the main scout during what was arguably the worst player development period in franchise history), so perhaps that means Dyson or Richardson really is the better prospect.
I will concede that developing a great centerfielder appears to be trickey. You certainly have to consider the “toolsy” aspects that Dayton seems to gravitate towards, because speed and defense are very important for that position. That means that you usually you are drafting and projecting skinny, fast guys – and it becomes a crapshoot as to if one of them can add enough muscle to get their slugging to an acceptable level without sacrificing their speed and agility.
Mr Glass, this is a pro sports team, not a retail store - run it like one!
As Derrick Robinson repeatedly bunted foul and swung at sliders a foot out of the zone, Art looked into my eyes and said, “You will remember this day for the rest of your life.”
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 24, 2009 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
Where the heck is Jason Grimsley when you need him?
…it becomes a crapshoot as to if one of them can add enough muscle to get their slugging to an acceptable level without sacrificing their speed and agility.
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 24, 2009 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
More on CF prospects
Let’s contrast the current CF crop with the best CF ever developed by the organization (Beltran):
career minor league stats: 267/345/432
53 SB/20 CS
147 BB/ 287 K
As you can see, the main difference statistically between Beltran and the 3 candidates we are discussing is the isolated slugging percentage.
Now, let’s look at one other significant difference:
Beltran reached A+ at age 20
Beltran reached AA at age 21
Betran reached the majors at age 22
Never underestimate the importance of age when looking at a player development curve.
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by loyal2sdad on Dec 24, 2009 10:20 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Heck, let's compare them to MITCH
I’m guessing it won’t be much more encouraging, but I haven’t checked myself
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 24, 2009 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
To royalsreview, Not if...
Dyson belongs in the top 25 & listed as our 6th best CF prospect, it matters!!! Anderson is another subject & wont make the roster!!
by PREGNANT ROLLERSKATE on Dec 24, 2009 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
To d_fingers..
Mitch is part of the present & future solution in KC, cheap, & still has upside. Simply, Mitch is a contributor not a difference maker, but still could put it all together.
by PREGNANT ROLLERSKATE on Dec 24, 2009 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
One more CF comparison
PRS, you compared Dyson to Coco Crisp (but with an arm).
Here are Crisp’s minor league stats:
299/374/411
149 SB/51 CS
189 BB/ 227 K
In addition, Crisp reached A+ at age 21, reached AA and AAA at age 22, and was playing regularly in the majors at age 23.
Significantly better OBP and SLG than Dyson in the minors, as well as significantly better plate discipline.
Again, I’m not slamming on Dyson – he very well could be a better defender than Crisp, for example – but I just don’t see him as that good a prospect overall.
I am in agreement with nwroyal, in that CF appears to be woefully thin in this organization.
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To all the above...
u missed the point on the Dyson/CF Prospect argument!!!
I stated the following below:
“My main point is Dyson is WAY to low on this list & far better than the prospects listed ahead of him!! This list has Dyson as the 46th overall prospect & the 6th best CF prospect when I believe his Tools & Results demonstrate that Dyson is the #1 CF prospect and in the 15-25 overall prospect range!!”
Dyson is not Beltran or one of our best CF prospects ever! Dyson is not an Elite Prospect either & our CF prospects overall are weak! The comparison to Coco Crisp I made was a loose one so give Crisp the power w/ a noodle arm & Dyson no power w/ a rocket arm.
Point is relook at the CF prospects listed ahead of him on this subjective list & do you definitely feel Dyson is the #6 CF & the #46 prospect. If Dyson is better then the CF listed ahead of him then he has to move above them. The question then becomes how far, u answer for yourself, I stated where I thought. Why is Robinson or Richardson better???
To those that talk about his age and level, I clearly stated his negatives so its not news & every every player & prospect has negatives!!! Dyson only has 801 ABs so he has gotten off to a late start & might be a late bloomer! Dyson will be starting in AAA & on the 40 man roster @ age 25 so his age is less of an issue. Rosa & Kila are high on this list, both 25, & will be in AAA & on the 40 man roster as well!! FYI: After 4yrs in the minors Kila had 1417 ABs, Dyson again 801 ABs…
by PREGNANT ROLLERSKATE on Dec 24, 2009 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
Wait a minute, is Dyson the father?
by Gopherballs on Dec 24, 2009 5:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
I think you are off a bit
Dyson might have a couple tools to work with but he isn’t that good. Jose Duarte is the same age, a level higher (already played AAA) than Dyson and has at least shown a little HR pop (not much) in the bat and is equally as good if not better than Dyson defensively. They are both fringe ML players if that. They are Brian Anderson replacements if that as Anderson has a career .827 OPS and they aren’t sniffin .700 yet.
Here’s to hopin Lough can play CF
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.
To kcscoliny...
I’m w/ you on hoping Lough can play CF!! I’ve heard that Myers is athletic enough to play anywhere even CF, but I think that is wishful thinking.
I don’t think Anderson will make the roster, but if he does he’ll be gone @ the end of the yr. Also if Anderson makes the roster then Dyson will be a Sept call up & may still have a shot for CF in 2011.
I could be wrong its just my opinion, but if I’m right you heard it hear 1st!! ;o)
by PREGNANT ROLLERSKATE on Dec 24, 2009 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
This is something I've wondered about.
If Myers can be a CF, why make him a C? If Moose has the ideal build and arm to C, why make him a 3B?
Why are we always trying to put these guys into places that are not ideal instead of letting them play where their tools are optimal. C and CF are both positions of need, why not use them there?
Why does everyone think that Lough can’t stick in CF, he’s supposed to have the athleticism for it.
Dadunca...
I agree w/ your general point.
If Moose has another offensive yr similar to the last 2yrs then I believe the Royals should slide Moose behind the plate which he played some in High School. Moose can still use his big arm behind the plate & his offensive #s become a plus as a catcher. The only concern I have w/ Moose behind the plate is whether he’ll be as defensively inept at catcher as he has been in the field. If during this yr Myers appears to have an elite bat then I believe the Royals should move him to the field especially if he is a gifted athlete.
I don’t know if there is a concern w/ Lough playing CF. Part of the questioning comes from Lough spending most seasons playing all 3 OF positions & never playing a whole yr @ CF. In my opinion, CF is taxing on a body over a yr therefore a player can wear down or get injured more easily. This is one of the reasons you like your bats on the corners. It will be a fun yr to follow these players!
by PREGNANT ROLLERSKATE on Dec 24, 2009 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
Ya lookin at Moose now
Keith Law was probably right. Moose looks very soft around the middle right now and BA said some scouts reported it might effect his defense.
He is still young though so hopefully he can get in shape. The only thing that matters is his plate discipline though, if that doesn’t get better the position won’t matter.
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.
I watched Moose...
play in the AFL All-Star Game & he is thick in the middle. Moose reminds me a little bit of a smaller B. Butler body type which isn’t good. I agree w/ u on the OBP its one of my favorite stats. My offensive expectations go down for catchers so I could live w/ a below Avg OBP for Moose as a catcher as long as he would put up the HRs, RBIs, Avg w/ RISP that he is showing in the minors.
Thanks for the link too!
by PREGNANT ROLLERSKATE on Dec 25, 2009 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
4 out of top 6
are in AA…. that makes me smile considering i live in springfield and i can watch the future
by KC Masterpiece on Dec 24, 2009 10:25 PM EST reply actions
I still think
that DDJ can play center. That’s not a problem this year. He has proven in the past that he can do it, and if his performance has dropped off a bit, it’s still better than anything the Royals can dredge out of the muck of 4-A centerfielders. Oh, by the way, he also gets on base and can hit a little. Keep him in center and find some fat guys who can hit to play the corners.
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by philofthenorth on Dec 26, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks very much
for putting this all together in one place. I too watch the minors system and think we have some thin areas but some areas that we can be proud of. Im scared of all the attention on moose and hosmer. Honestly they havnt lived up to the standard….. YET, they might yet but also they havnt yet. I really like the development of dyson and parraz, parraz had a second half that was on fire with men in scoring position. Myers looks good leave him alone at catcher, a catcher that can is good both defensively and can hit is a very huge plus. Im excited about the future and think we are STILL 2012 away from bringing up the big group of youngster that will matter.

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