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A Note On Chone Figgins, Stathead Orthodoxy, and Me

 

I can still remember the first time I saw the name Chone Figgins.

 

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It was 2002, and I was living in a weird apartment that was on the second floor of an auxiliary building across the parking lot from a Catholic church. The building had been a small convent once and was now used for offices, meetings, and included a little school, which I think was mostly a daycare. It may not have been a "convent" proper, but in any case, there had once been nuns living there. It wasn't at all Gothic. Instead, the building dated from the middle of the last century, one of those tile floor and square brick dos.

It was in a bad neighborhood. It wasn't Cabrini-Green or West Baltimore, but it wasn't really a place where you wanted to actually hang out at the park. One way of describing it would be this: the grocery store down the street closed at six o'clock, although it was a chain grocery that was typically open late or even continuously in other locations. One time, in what was probably a really stupid move, I gave a guy who approached me at a gas station a ride home. I knew where he wanted to go when he said the street, which stunned him. During our ride this guy started waxing poetically, or drunkenly, about how great America was because people of different backgrounds could be cool.

The church was absolutely gigantic and in its glory days had served a large Eastern European Catholic community that no longer existed. I never attended a Mass that was more than 30% or 40% full. My building was incredibly scary at night, as I had to walk through the entire first floor of the building to get out, and they were pretty thorough about turning off all the lights at the end of the day. Of course no ghost or monster or drifter ever grabbed me from a side room. There were five or six other people who lived in the building with me and they all seemed very weird. It was absolutely the cheapest apartment I have ever rented: two rooms and a bathroom, furnished, for $290 a month.

Anyway, before heading over to a friend's or maybe the library one Sunday night, I did a quick check of ESPN.com. The Red Sox blew a game late to the Angels. On the front page, they had a picture of a dude sliding at home. Typical baseball picture. Only, the caption said that the player scoring was named "Chone Figgins". Chone. Figgins. I kept thinking about the name and later that night I remembering emailing my friends about it. Chone. Just an incredible name. A sublimely stupid name that seemed to be based on a metallic side product. Well after we smelt the copper we collect the excess chone and sell it to a plant down in Mexico. Maybe that's not fair, but that's how I felt about it. I started making Chone one of my standard internet account login names.

Remember, this was 2002. The internet was a different place. Baseball-reference was around, but I didn't know about it, and I don't think it had much on it. As it turned out, that August game at Fenway was Chone's first Major League game. That meant there was nothing on his ESPN or Yahoo page or whatever. Eventually, I found a weird, Geocities-esque fan page that seemed to have been put up by a cousin. It had pictures of Chone in the minors, with great captions like, "Chone hits the ball!" On that page I learned that his name was actually Desmond DeChone Figgins. This made me sad. I liked Chone as Chone, not Chone as bizarre (or inspired) approach to spelling "Sean", already a name that was being spelled about a thousand different ways. That fall, during the playoffs, announcers alternated between pronouncing his name "Chone" and "Sean".

So... I hate the Angels. As a young stathead, I always rooted for the A's. I hated the ways the Angels played and I hated the way their style of play was deified. But I liked Chone... I thought there was no way he could make a career out of his hitting skills (which to my eyes were non-existent). But he did. Which I was happy about. Only, soon after that, people started raving about Chone as part of their old-school baseball religion. In 2004, 2005, and 2007, Chone got down-ballot MVP votes, which I was horrified by.

But things changed. For one, the stathead orthodoxy changed. We started to value defense and baserunning more. For another, very importantly, Chone started to turn into a useful hitter. In his last three seasons, Chone has posted a .301/.386/.382 triple slash line. He's established a good defensive reputation, and in 2009, had a huge (if somewhat unsustainable) defensive season according to UZR. His defensive numbers have gone from iffy to good. I'm no historian of the Angels system, but I'm pretty sure no one had Chone Figgins developing to this extent. Yes, it was silly for John Kruk to famously praise him for his bunting and base-stealing (which he's actually not great at) and for hitting and running. Let's not overlook that. Still, when a guy plays multiple positions well and can post an OBP over .370. Yea, I'm in.

So things change. In 2009, my life is also different in innumerable ways. The days of rent for under $300 dollars a month are gone. I'm more mature now, and I stopped giggling about "Chone" about six years ago. Whatever. Being a stat-inclined fan is also different. This year, I had Chone 5th on my MVP ballot. Yesterday, he reportedly agreed to a $36 million dollar contract and everyone thinks this is more or less a fair price. Crazy.

And now that's going to be a Mariner, we're now setup for Chone's sunset years taking place in Kansas City. Full circle.

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Brilliant

Sorry if that seems kiss-uppy, but it really is. Not to rehash, but not only does it hit on quirkly personal stuff as well as the name factor, but it retraces a trajectory a lot of us (well, at least me and apparently RR) have gone through when thinking about baseball players.

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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 5, 2009 4:28 PM EST reply actions  

I was late to the party

but WAR is a game changer for me

even if its not perfect, the fact that we can have a way of looking at players statistically, that includes defense in a reasonable matter (not ignored, not too much) is huge

by Will McDonald on Dec 5, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't worry, I only got here five minutes before you

I just showed up drunk already, so I look like I’ve been hear forever

the great thing about WAr, despite it’s imperfections, is that it’s pretty simple to get a grip on in the basics. It’s like wOBA — it’s “transparent” in that you don’t have to “reintepret” it to get player value.

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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 5, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

thanks

I guess they’re getting really desperate over there.

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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 6, 2009 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I completely agree. It's a privilege reading a blog about baseball written by such a good writer like royalsreview.

Especially one who spends most of his day thinking about writing and language but can also make the most complicated sabermetrical concepts accessible and engaging for a typical fan.

by Decatur on Dec 6, 2009 4:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Wonderful piece

Thanks devil_fingers for tweeting about this.
  The first time I saw Chone Figgins he was playing SS against the Mariners in a spring training game. The Mariners fans were still wondering if Ichiro could pull the ball…but, they were in love with this 25 year old speed merchant CF they had picked up as a minor league free agent from the Rangers named Scotty Podsednik.
   Figgins was playing SS and he would hit .220 for the Rockies AA club before they traded him to the Halos for minor league speedster and former Tiger Kimera Bartee in June. Whoops!

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by gashousegang on Dec 5, 2009 4:40 PM EST reply actions  

what figgins has done to get to this point is incredible

maybe 5 out of 100 fast guys with no power are able to do what he did, and he basically did it in his mid 20s at the AL level

by Will McDonald on Dec 5, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

he's a poor man's Ichiro

old school" appeal because of speed, then annoys the early 00s statheads because of lack okf power and overratedness, then we finally realize that he IS really good (or awesome in Ichiro’s case) because, yeah his defense DOES turn out to be really good, and wOBA and baserunningn shows that, his offensive skills do matter.

Like Jeff and Lookout Landing says, between their defense and Ichiro and CHONE on offense, the Mariners are going to be ANNOYING AS HELL next season in terms of the “how the f— did those guys win?” factor.

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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 5, 2009 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

If Chone is a poor man's Ichiro,

is Derrick Robinson a really poor man’s Chone?

by AxDxMx on Dec 6, 2009 12:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe A Homeless

Starving, deeply in debt man’s Figgy.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Dec 6, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he's a poor man's Joey Gahtright

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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 6, 2009 9:39 PM EST up reply actions  

So, Greg, you're basically saying

that Scotty Pod is as good as Chone and Ichiro?

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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 5, 2009 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

(winky-face)

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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 5, 2009 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep

That is exactly what I am saying…

More to the point..is a guy like Chone or even Pods for that matter that are given up on by teams for the likes of Kimera Bartee and minor league free agency always baffles me…Good thing the Royals don’t make those kind of mistakes

Damn, why didn’t we trade Dee Brown for him…why can’t we catch a break

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by gashousegang on Dec 5, 2009 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

The Royals should acquire Tiger Kimera Bartee just fo the name

sounds like he couldn’t decide whether to be a baseball player, pro wrestler, or female adult “starlet”

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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 5, 2009 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

but seriously

What do you make of Podsednik’s defense? Clearly, he’s pretty fast (even though he’s always been an overrated basestealer, given how often he gets caught). Now, maybe he’s a guy the metrics have “missed” on, but assuming they’re in the ball park, he’s never been that great. Does he just take bad routes?

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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 5, 2009 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

He is not a good OF at all…This is a guy u could have had for nothing last year. The Royals could have used him last season if they thought he was a viable option…never traded Ram Ram and given him the CF job.
He is not a good CF, he has an awful arm….His time is gone for a team like KC…he needs to be on a team where he does not need to be a vital part of their success

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by gashousegang on Dec 5, 2009 5:15 PM EST reply actions  

That sounds like someone who could fite on the Royals

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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 5, 2009 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

"fit"

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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 5, 2009 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

The excess chone from the smelting plant is used to make copper figgins, sold in England for use with tea

Its interesting that Chone has gone from being wildly overrated by the MSM from the 2003 World Series, to being wildly underrated by the stathead community in response to that, to being properly valued quite highly by both the MSM and stathead community. He is Bobby Abreu 2.0

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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 5, 2009 8:18 PM EST reply actions  

He doesn't seem properly valued by major league front offices, though.

A $13-15 million a year contract would be a fair reflection of his projected value. He’s only getting $9 mil per year.

by Decatur on Dec 6, 2009 4:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes - despite the increasing awareness of the importance of defense ...

defense is still generally undervalued in the overall market.

There are still many teams who are willing to pay more for a run scored than for a run prevented. In many ways it’s a traditional over-correction. Ten years ago teams valued speed and contact, with slugging and on-base percentage neglected, leading to the Moneyball story.

Now slugging and on-base is highly demanded. Teams that know how to assess and appraise defense are finding unexploited value.

by Steve Nelson on Dec 6, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think it's that bad

$13 might be the front end, based on standard 0.5 WAR/year decline and 7% market inflation, but the inflation might still be optimistic.

Moreover, he is 32 and has had injury problems inthe past — he played only115 gamesin 2007 and 116 in 2008. I agree this is a good deal for the Mariners, but it’s not the steal of thew century.

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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 6, 2009 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Ugh... let me clarify

“$13M/yr is probably the top end, all things considered”
is what I meant to say.

He’s being paid like a 2.5 WAR player. Now, his skills are probably that of a 3.5 WAR player per 150 games, which does imply something like 4/$55… but given his age and injury history, I think this isn’t all that low for Figgins.

I’ve said it multiple times, but let me say it again — a deal like this make me wonder what’s up with Bay thinking he can turn down 4/$60M from Boston, given that I think Bay’s a 3.5 player on the most optimistic scenario (I think he’s more like 3). This is a real test for the market.

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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 6, 2009 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Not at all a steal ...

… for either side, but overall a pretty reasonable deal for both sides.

by Steve Nelson on Dec 6, 2009 6:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I think

That’s more a reflection of team finances than his perceived value. I don’t think a lot of guys are going to get much more than $9 mill per.

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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 6, 2009 9:40 PM EST up reply actions  

My guesses

Holliday (of course — he’s actually worth it)
Bay (not as good as Figgins, but sounds some think he is)
Damon might — not worth it, but someone might be dumb enough to do it. Maybe on a one year deal…

Lackey should
Pettite should on a one-year
Maybe Harden (he’s good enough, fasho, when healthy)
Bruce Chen

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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 6, 2009 9:56 PM EST up reply actions  

How often are free agent deals termed 'reasonable for both sides'?

I’m thinking 10% of the time

*You think I'm good* "You know, that Farnsworth is pretty good." *You will give me 9 million dollars* "So, Farnsy, how does $9 million sound?"

by jackie ballgame on Dec 6, 2009 10:46 PM EST reply actions  

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