Royals Eyeing Jason Kendall, Rod Barajas
The Royals are considering catchers Jason Kendall and Rod Barajas in addition to Ivan Rodriguez, tweets Bob Dutton of the Kansas City Star. These three, as well as Bengie Molina, Yorvit Torrealba, and Miguel Olivo, are part of a catching musical chairs game that involves the Royals, Giants, Mariners, Rangers, Mets, Nationals, and Rockies to varying degrees and combinations. It's a low-OBP group as usual
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Honestly
I’d much rather us pay a couple million for a low OBA stop gap catcher than trade Alberto Callaspo or David DeJesus or something of real value for a “young” catcher of the future. I don’t see that many catchers that would be available for trade that would be appreciably better than the Bajarases of the world, and at least Rod only costs you money, not talent.
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Not Allard Baird acquisitions
Kendall is even worse than Pudge. Barajas is a better hitter than Kendall or Pudge, and also the best defender. He’s probably about as good overall, maybe a bit better than Buck. No real point, though, unless he comes cheaper than Buck.
Either Pudge or Kendall would be further inexcusable signings at anything but a minimal salary. They, they’re just pointless. Kendall’s a 0.5 WAR player, tops. Pudge is 1 WAR, and that’s if you let him catch 150 games. Barajas is probably about 1.5 WAR if he’s the starter. That’s about what Buck or Brayan would be.
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 7, 2009 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
buck's price in arb can't be that big, if it even went tothat
he made 2.9 last year, and that was coming off a better season in which he played more
by Will McDonald on Dec 7, 2009 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
so if we sign someone else for under $3.0 million it'd be a better deal for our team
Is that what you mean?
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So you're saying
2 years $6 million for Pudge is a bit of an overpay?
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My thoughts exactly
…right after I also threw up in my mouth a little when I read the headline.
me eyes popped out of my skull
and rolled down my back and attempted to hide in my back pockets….but I’m wearing sweatpants….so THANKS FOR THE DIRTY EYEBALLS DUTTON (is the the hot one or is that Kaegel?)
by Nighthawk at the Diner on Dec 8, 2009 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
On a semi related note
How do advanced statistics look at catcher defense? I assume there is more to look at than UZR/150 but haven’t seen much in that area.
http://www.drivelinemechanics.com/2009/10/13/1082419/2009-catcher-defense-filling-in
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 7, 2009 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
Comparisons
My offensive projections for these guys and Royals current (and past0 catchers
Three slash followed by wOBA, and batting runs “above” average per 150 games
Barajas .239/.285/.411, .297 wOBA, -16/150
Kendall .240/.313/.316, .278 wOBA, -26/160
Pudge .252/.279/.376, .282 wOBA, -24/150
Brayan .265/.316/.432, .320 wOBA, -4/150
Buck .243/.319/438, .326 wOBA, -1/150
Now, I’m not saying my projections are great (especially for Brayan), since, for exampel, they dont’ take minor leagues into account… But I just like saying “my projections.” Of ocurse, you have to take defense into account for these guys. I’ll use CHONE per 150 projections and add in a position adjustment to get WAR/150 for these guys, altough keep in mind that no catcher player 150 games, especially not these guys. This is approximate just to give you a relative level.. Offense + defense + 12 for catcher + 20 replacement level converted to wins
Barajas -16 +6 +12 +20 = 2.2 WAR
Kendall -26 – 2 +12 +20 = 0.4 WAR
Pudge -24 +3 +12 +20 = 1.1 WAR
Brayan -4 -5 +12 +20 = 2.3 WAR
Buck -1 -5 +12 +20 = 2.6 WAR
I do suspect that that Buck and Brayan’s offensive and (especially) defensive projections are a bit high,and again the playing time projections for all these guys have to be a lot power. But i think the point is clear enough — Pena and Buck are just about as good as Barajas, and Pudge and Kendall aren’t as good as what he Royals already have.
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ugh, nice typing
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 7, 2009 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
so... in dayton world
Top choice is Barajas, then Kendall, then Pudge and so on
by Will McDonald on Dec 7, 2009 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
Dayton probably wants Pudge first
2700 hits!
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 7, 2009 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
And Kendall has that valuable NL experience
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 7, 2009 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
its like... the jokes keep meeting reality
John Buck is just a guy, and then Dayton goes out reportedly seeks like every lesser option available
we’ve ruled out spite as his motivator, right?
by Will McDonald on Dec 7, 2009 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
He's a Mormon
Christians aren’t cool with Mormons right?
Basically it’s like a mini-Belfast in the Royals organization.
There's no way buck is a 2.6 WAR player
We’ve watched him hit for how long now? And play defense? I love you DF, but I think you’re over valuing what we have.
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I think I said repeatedly he isn't a 2.6 WAR player
and the idea that Pudge or Kendall is superior to him is laughable. Buck’s a terrible defender… but Pudge can’t hit at all anymore, and Kendall is even worse with the bat… and is a bad defender, too.
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 8, 2009 9:36 AM EST up reply actions
Nice stats nerdlinger
But what about the fact these guys can MENTOR our young staff?
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This make a little more sense if GMDM is dead set on adding a C this winter...
The Rays, who recently acquired Kelly Shoppach, are shopping catcher Dioner Navarro, according to Tracy Ringolsby of FOX Sports. Navarro is a non-tender candidate, especially since the Rays have Shoppach around. It makes sense for the Rays to explore trade options if they expect to non-tender him this weekend.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/12/rays-shopping-dioner-navarro.html
BOOM! ROASTED!
I was looking at that earlier as well...
What would it take to get him though…. Maybe a short LHP that probably won’t make it? Wait… we traded him for Yuni….
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He is about to be NOn-Tendered
So we don’t trade for him, but if he is non-tendered, then we can grab him as a FA, assuming he isn’t too much $$.
And, I am in the non-vocal majority that thinks Buck/Pena is OK going into the season…I don’t think Navarro or any other catcher is a must get, but if GMDM thinks he Must get somebody, I’d rather it be Navarro than Kendall/Pudge/Barajas/et all of the other names that have been bandied about
BOOM! ROASTED!
Why not just go to Buck and his agent and tell them
Look, we’re going to nontender you because we don’t want to pay your arbitration raise, but we are willing to take you back at your salary for this past season. Deal?
Well
Getting a guy like Navarro is dependent upon us Non-Tendering Buck in the first place IMO.
Offering Buck Arb AND signing a C is retarded to the Nth degree since, in all likelihood, the best catcher of the three in that scenario would be Brayan Pena anyway.
BOOM! ROASTED!
I was meaning skip Navarro
Why give up something for Navarro when Buck can be had without the trade?
Easy guys
Kendall had a .884 OPS in 1998!
*You think I'm good* "You know, that Farnsworth is pretty good." *You will give me 9 million dollars* "So, Farnsy, how does $9 million sound?"
by jackie ballgame on Dec 7, 2009 11:59 PM EST reply actions
He was legit good way back when
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 8, 2009 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
TPJ and Jason Kendall would be contestants on
How Many ABs before your next homer? Highest total wins!
But really, Kendall probably wins that, as TPJ is not likely to see another MLB AB.
wait, bball reference says barajas had a .258 obp last year
what’s the obp mendoza line?
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by jackie ballgame on Dec 8, 2009 12:01 AM EST reply actions
like .300
but post Olivo, Bloomy, Jacobs, etc… who knows
by Will McDonald on Dec 8, 2009 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
scarcity drives up the price
look out.
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he would have been a great mentor for all the young guys in A ball...
Jones, Myers, and what’s his name
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I like
Anyone with some pop.
Molina would be a good addition, but he wants a long term deal.
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Yadier would be a good addition
I believe he already has a long term deal. I will continue to pretend that I think you meant Yadier because I’m being nice.
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by McClure 'stache on Dec 8, 2009 1:14 AM EST up reply actions
.265/.285/.442 Bengie Molina?
I pretty sure he meant trade for Yadier
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by McClure 'stache on Dec 8, 2009 1:19 AM EST up reply actions
Molina hasn't drawn a walk
in what, 6 Bengies?
Tangled up in Plaid
by McClure 'stache on Dec 8, 2009 1:51 AM EST up reply actions
Didn't he have more walks that Olivo?
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There is just no one significantly better than Buck
I think that is the issue.
Buck and Pena between them are fine. I don’t see why anyone thinks Catcher is a priority to be honest.
by kcbottom9th on Dec 8, 2009 1:23 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Because throwing out base stealers
Is the only valuable catcher skill there is. And Buck doesn’t do it well. Nothing else matters…nothing.
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by CentralChamps2009 on Dec 8, 2009 6:18 AM EST up reply actions
Unless you can get Buck's production for considerably less cash
Then non-tender him. I like Buck, but I don’t think he’s particularly good.
Really?
I see everyone accepting that there is 2 or 3 awesome catchers out there, everyone is else very replaceable.
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Might be the best option actually...
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Over/under on how many times Bob Davis messes that up
Five per game.
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From the misplaced excitement...
of another lazy flyout to center that he thought was going over the fence?
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by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 8, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Mike Rizzo, seeing all the attention Dayton Moore and Omar Minaya have been getting
throws his hat into the ring
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Fixed your post
throws his hat into the ring money down the toilet
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outside of Colorado
he’s just another crappy hitter, and he’s not a good defender, either. A 1 WAR player.
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 8, 2009 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
On a positive note
Dutton says that DM is not likely to spend any more than $2 million on a catcher and it sounds like he prefers a one-year deal. Maybe Dayton wants Pena to start in 2011 with Pina as a backup.
Do you think Buck would sign a one-year deal for $2 million after he is non-tendered?
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