Rule 5 Draft Possibilities

Please, please let the Zach Kroenke/Zack Greinke combination become a royality.

about 2 years ago marbotty 19 comments 0 recs |

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The draft is when

Thursday?

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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 8, 2009 11:01 AM EST reply actions

Believe so

One of the few nice things about the Royals being so terrible is that they’re almost always participating in it.

by marbotty on Dec 8, 2009 11:14 AM EST up reply actions

And in fairness

We’ve done okay with it. Soria was a huge get, we took Fabio Castro one year and turned him into a useful player in Esteban German. Miguel Ascensio was worth a look. Rich Thompson…eh, not so much.

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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 8, 2009 11:37 AM EST up reply actions

true

I was actually very disappointed that Moore passed last year. Well, sort of passed.

by marbotty on Dec 8, 2009 12:18 PM EST up reply actions

I would proabaly take any on that list

I would love to see the organization go after one of the two catchers, but wouldn’t complain if they picked up a LHP.

by bas on Dec 8, 2009 12:03 PM EST reply actions

Zack Kroenke

Any relation to the Wal Mart Kroenkes from Missouri?

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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 8, 2009 12:12 PM EST reply actions

My ranking of the list in the link

Nevin Ashley – C
Matt McBride – C
Collin Curtis – CF (says he plays all 3)
Zach Kroenke – LHP in bullpen

The Royals really should take at least 1 of those, and if they don’t like the bats, Kroenke in the bullpen is a no brainer.

by AxDxMx on Dec 8, 2009 12:21 PM EST reply actions

kroenke's walk rate is reminiscent of lumsden's

but, still wouldn’t mind us taking a shot on him. my ranking is identical to yours, though

by marbotty on Dec 8, 2009 12:33 PM EST up reply actions

I agree with trying to find a backup C via the Rule 5, but

unless Ashley is a defensive whiz (and then some), he’s not going to cut it: 2009 line, split b/t A+ and AA — .228/.335/.320 in 338 ABs. He’s hit better in the lower minors, but he is not ready for the next step. Now Matt McBride, on the other hand, has a much better line, same A+/AA — .292/.348/.495 in 507 ABs.

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by benfunke on Dec 8, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions

actually, he is a defensive wiz

by marbotty on Dec 8, 2009 12:35 PM EST up reply actions

then color me interested

my remaining issue with that situation is if he has a chance to develop further as a prospect, then making him the backup instead of letting him get PT in AA/AAA seems like a way to quash his prospect-ness. But then if the Rays don’t see that he’s worth keeping on the 40-man, then maybe there isn’t that much prospect-ness to quash.

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by benfunke on Dec 8, 2009 12:45 PM EST up reply actions

CHONE projects Ashley as a -36 hitter

Even if you think he’s a defensive whiz… well, he’’ll have to be to be even replacement level

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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 8, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions

The question is then can his bat improve enough in the next two or three years

2010 is a go nowhere year, so carrying a replacement level (or worse) catcher is fine if there is real potential for him to turn into an asset in the future. The Rule 5 player only has to stay on the MLB roster for one year (well, really 90 days plus a trip to the 60-day DL with “general soreness” and rehabbing in the Arizona complex league the rest of the year). Next year, the Royals can send him back to AA.

by Gopherballs on Dec 8, 2009 12:53 PM EST up reply actions

i'm still unconvinced by chone's ability to project minor leaguers

but i don’t think they’re too far off — his bat in the minors has been pretty anemic.

i’m also not convinced that catcher defense is as important as defense at the other positions. (i’m sure i’m in the minority on this.)

but one thing i’m absolutely convinced of: we shouldn’t pay more than $1million for a catcher this offseason. a rule 5 guy more or less assures that we won’t.

by marbotty on Dec 8, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions

i’m also not convinced that catcher defense is as important as defense at the other positions

That is why the good defensive metrics use runs saved — a passed ball is not as significant as a dropped fly ball in the corner, but a ton of passed balls would be more significant than an occasional dropped fly ball.

by Gopherballs on Dec 8, 2009 2:18 PM EST up reply actions