Winter Meetings Day Three Open Thread
by Will McDonald on Dec 9, 2009 6:00 AM EST
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Guess Jason Kendall's contract: winner gets nothing.
- Crisp, Royals both waiting for answers | royals.com: News
- Royals’ search for a veteran catcher continues - KansasCity.com
Baseball:
- White Sox Sign Teahen to 3-Year Extension - South Side Sox
- Mark Teahen’s Curious Deal | FanGraphs Baseball
- The Year the Orioles Outspent the Yankees - Camden Chat
- A Crazy Look at Player Handedness - Athletics Nation
- Braves Interested in Free Agent Xavier Nady - Talking Chop
- Does Pudge Rodriguez Know His Role With The Washington Nationals? - Federal Baseball
- Yankees land first pick in Rule 5 Draft - MLB Daily Dish
- Giants Pursuing Catcher with Low On-Base Percentage, Overrated Receiving Skills - McCovey Chronicles
- Holliday isn't Teixeira - SweetSpot Blog - ESPN
- 2010 Draft Order – Updated December 8 " Andy Seiler's MLB Draft Blog
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1 year, 3 million with a player option for a second year at 4 million.
by sfeldkamp on Dec 9, 2009 7:42 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
8 years $160 million
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Dec 9, 2009 8:55 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Well, at least we're not the only ones in this boat
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by sterlingice on Dec 9, 2009 8:56 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Jason LaRue?
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by cmkeller on Dec 9, 2009 9:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe he already re-signed with STL.
Don't Stop Believing!
by KC Chris on Dec 9, 2009 9:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Omar has been on this quest all winter
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 9, 2009 9:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I want to know how
the Rangers are in the same catcher boat as us:
The team is looking for a catcher as well. Durrett names Jason Kendall, Rod Barajas, Jose Molina, and Yorvit Torrealba as targets.
Have all of their supposed catching prospects crapped the bed?
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by KC Chris on Dec 9, 2009 9:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Salty keeps getting hurt
and they’ll seemingly do anything to avoid playing Taylor Teagarden. I know some people say his bat is incredibly slow, but he’s a catcher with a good defensive rep and is still relatively young. They should just sell low on him to the ROyals.
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 9, 2009 10:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe we can give them Julio Pimentel?
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by 306008 on Dec 9, 2009 10:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wish
Maybe other people can fill me in, but Teagarden strikes me as John Buck (bad contact skills, slow bat, but decent power) with good defense. That would be pretty nice.
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 9, 2009 10:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Are all the Rangers prospects overhyped?
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by 306008 on Dec 9, 2009 10:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
YOu'd have to ask someone else
HOlland and Feliz seems pretty kick-ass to me, and Andrus obviously is really good. The catchers… yeah, maybe. But its the Rangers themselves who are wasting Teagarden’s service time.
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 9, 2009 10:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But weren't Andrus and Feliz traded into the system?
I’m not sure, but I’m trying to learn more about other prospects.
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by 306008 on Dec 9, 2009 11:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the Teixeira guy was pretty good
John Danks is good…..Blalock has been solid before injuries derailed his career.
But yeah, Andrus and Feliz were part of the Teixeira trade.
by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on Dec 9, 2009 6:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, interesting that the Yankees picked up the #1 spot in the Rule V Draft
First, it’s perplexing that a team needing talent like the Nats would do it, but I guess they didn’t see someone they liked.
But, secondly, it means someone is going to get picked in that spot because the Yankees wouldn’t have done it for nothing.
by sterlingice on Dec 9, 2009 8:59 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Brian Bruney is probably more valuable than a Rule 5 player to be honest
Sounds like they’re going to make him their closer, rack up some saves, and trade him for something a year or two from now.
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 9, 2009 9:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But Mike MacDougal is the closer
This is a good move for them. The Rule V is a guessing game. Remember you have to keep that player on your MLB roster for the entire season.
The trade for the Yanks makes sense. You open a spot for a cheap guy on your roster. While it makes sense to trade a future star (according to everyone) like Jackson for a current star in Granderson when you are trying to pick up a Rule V to save money… that opens up a little salary but I guess for the Yanks, it doesn’t even matter.
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by 306008 on Dec 9, 2009 9:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
MacDougal is going to be non-tendered supposedly
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 9, 2009 10:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The MacDougal was sarc. I didn't clarify. I apologize.
I do like Mac though.
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by 306008 on Dec 9, 2009 10:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, I'm dense in the mornings
I say we bring back Mac just to hear some Scorpions at the K again.
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 9, 2009 10:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I had one student drink 4 cups of coffee before he got to school today
You should try that.
Mac would be a fun addition to our team. He’d be better than Farnsie and Cruz were last season. Maybe he’ll come back to his “roots”.
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by 306008 on Dec 9, 2009 11:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
2 years, $2.9 million - "The Gload Special".
Speaking of which, it sounds like the Phils are going to sign him to a two year deal. The fools!
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 9, 2009 9:39 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
If Gload is still worth that much
then I shudder to think about the offers that are being bandied about for Scotty Pods.
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by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 9, 2009 9:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Supposedly
He’s holding out for 2/$15 mill.
HAHAHAHAHAHHA
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 9, 2009 9:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't he make $800K last year?
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by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 9, 2009 10:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
NO wonder Huber and Fiorentino left for Japan
Sorry to double post this, but way to waste the exploit the primes of one of the best core group of positions players in baseball, Ruben!
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 9, 2009 10:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
By the way, I love me some OMD
Good call, Will.
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by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 9, 2009 9:42 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
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by jonfmorse on Dec 9, 2009 12:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So what do we do with Crisp?
Do we try to resign him? He said all the right things in that article…. give him a 1 year/$3 million deal? Or more?
If we did that, I wouldn’t be worried about a Duffy for Pie trade…
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by 306008 on Dec 9, 2009 10:03 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I really think it will be 2 years, $4 million
or one year for 3 (I’m too tired/dumb to come up with an option scenario). I can’t believe I’m saying this, but I think the Royals need to get a deal done with Kendall or for Navarro ASAP. What happened to AJ Ellis? I haven’t heard his name in weeks, in connection with the royals or anyone else.
Also, let’s get a third team involved for Felix Pie.
by AJaha25 on Dec 9, 2009 10:06 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Kendall Contract
1 yr 2.275 million with playing bonuses that could up the total value to 6 million.
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by Discodave on Dec 9, 2009 10:29 AM EST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
true
can’t forget the playing time bonuses
by Will McDonald on Dec 9, 2009 1:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's what's sad
A smart organization would at least entertain the idea that Brayan Pena might improve enough to overcome whatever perceived deficiencies the Royals “braintrust” seems to think he has.
The Star article actually cites that they are looking for a placeholder, and that the minors are well stocked with catchers, but no long-term solution is expected to make it before late 2011.
Why not give B Pena the chance to be that placeholder? If he surprises you and improves defensively enough – then you have an asset to trade when Myers or somebody else emerges in 2012. If Kendall or Molina or Barajas surprise you with good performance, you have an OLD, WASHED UP catcher you CANT trade in 2011.
Sigh.
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by loyal2sdad on Dec 9, 2009 10:40 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
so they are taking this opportunity to prep in case he doesn't become that player...
At least GMDM is trying to cover his butt on this one.
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by 306008 on Dec 9, 2009 10:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
New topic
sounds like Baltimore said no to Pie for Callaspo, instead wanting Gordon or Butler.
I have to agree with Moore here, in that I would not trade Butler or Gordon for him.
Question for d-f:
What is your take on that? I think Callaspo would have been a good deal for Pie, for both teams. I assume Baltimore was dubious about his ability to switch to third, as they apparently are looking for corner infield help.
Another question:
Wouldn’t it have made a HELL OF A LOT more sense to trade Teahen to Baltimore for Pie, and keep Callaspo at 2B?
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by loyal2sdad on Dec 9, 2009 10:44 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
They are also looking at high priced pitchers
I wonder if we could get Pie, and one of their many nice minor league arms for Meche?
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 9, 2009 10:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hmmm....
There’s a thought. What would it take and what would be smart?
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by 306008 on Dec 9, 2009 10:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That might be cool
I’d also consider Banny for Pie..
But I was tweeting with an Os fan last night, and he sees the Os as in a similar situation to the Royals — not ready to make a push for contention, with more young depth in pitching than in position players. If that’s the case, Meche doesn’t make much sense for them.
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 9, 2009 10:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it makes much sense either
But supposedly they’re kicking the tires of Kevin Millwood, who has a similar contract.
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 9, 2009 10:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If that's the case, go for it
I know this will make peopel angry, but I’d do Meche straight up for Pie. Meche is the better player, but it’s the usual… money, future, etc.
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 9, 2009 10:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No way I do Meche for Pie straight up
I would want a decent prospect thrown in with Pie. Seeing you say that didn’t make me angry, d_f, but it did surprise me quite a bit. It isn’t just that Meche is (clearly) the better and more valuable player, I think you are overvaluing Pie and his potential quite a bit.
I would, however, like you, probably flip Bannister straight up for Pie.
by DarthYoshi on Dec 9, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Except Pie gives you about 2 WAR for $400,000
and years of club control
Meche likely gives you 3 WAR this season (and I think that’s more than fair), less the next, and costs $24M over that time in which he may not even be worth that, given the current market.
if anything, the Os might need to ask for more back
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 9, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it gets complicated, because of the money
Meche is better than Banny, but is also 11 times more expensive
I don’t know if I’d pull the trigger on Meche for Pie…
but Meche’s health is the x-factor here
by Will McDonald on Dec 9, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Frankly, I think the money makes it less complicated
Meche isn’t Miguel Cabrera, here. He’s a good pitcher on the decline getting paid at least market rate for two years.
It doesn’t fit the “fan” mindset, but, yes, the money saved on Meche could be useful ijn 2011 when the FA market is better. And Pie will give value after Meche is gone.
Oh, and that’s even assuming Meche is healthy enough to hit 3 WAR next year. He’s at least as likely NOT to as he to exceed it.
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 9, 2009 2:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
so from that perspective...
why would the Orioles make the deal?
by Will McDonald on Dec 9, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think they would
I’m just saying I’d jump on it
THe Millwood deal also illustrates my point — Millwood isn’t as good as Meche, but he’s about a league average pitcher. He just Got traded for Chris Ray, a mediocre middle reliever (0.5 WAR, tops), and the Rangers are sending money, too. There’s probably greater distance in expected WAR value between Millwood and Ray as between Meche and Pie.
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 9, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow... That's an interesting deal for the Rangers...
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by 306008 on Dec 9, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
freeing up money either for HIcks
or maybe for a run at Harden?
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 9, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe for that contract they are getting ready to give
Danny Guiterrez
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by 306008 on Dec 9, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
heh
nice font, btw
BLF approves
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 9, 2009 2:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
proficy much?
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by 306008 on Dec 9, 2009 9:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The AL West suddenly turned into brain trust
+ the Angels
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 9, 2009 10:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn't
But it might….
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by 306008 on Dec 9, 2009 11:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt Baltimore would have taken Teahen for Pie
I like Teahen and wish him the best, but he’s a terrible 3B defender, and his bat just hasn’t come along. I don’t know what the White Sox are thinking.
Callaspo-for-Pie seems fair to me, but maybe the Os don’t see his defense playing any better at 3Bg than at 2B. It still seems fair, as the Os have a bit of a jam in their OF, and Callaspo is a good hitter. On the other hand, Pie is two years younger, a plus CF defender, and so still has some upside, whereas Callaspo is probably as good as he’ll ever be, which is decent. Not that Pie’s a future superstar…
ON other words, I think it was a good idea by Dayton, if it’s what happened, a fair offer, but I can see where the Os are coming from. MacPhail was also running the Cubs when Pie was discovered, I believe, so he might be attachecd.
Another possibility MacPhail maybe have gotten spoiled by boning over guys like Bill Bavasi and Jim Hendry the last couple of years, and doesn’t want to hurt his (justified) badass rep by doing a fair trade with the likes of Dayton Moore.
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 9, 2009 10:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
nice typing, Matt
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 9, 2009 10:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh, let's try those last two 'graphs again
In other words, I think it was a good idea by Dayton., Bert-for-Pie is a fair offer, but I can see where the Os are coming from in saying no. MacPhail was running the Cubs when Pie was discovered, I believe, so he might be a bit too attached.
Another possibility: MacPhail may have gotten spoiled by boning over guys like Bill Bavasi and Jim Hendry in trades the last couple of years, and doesn’t want to hurt his (justified) badass rep by doing a fair trade with the likes of Dayton Moore.
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 9, 2009 10:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It may be a fair offer
But I don’t like the deal for the Royals. I know Pie is a plus defender out there, but I’d rather keep the bat of Bert and take my chances with Mitch and Anderson…
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by 306008 on Dec 9, 2009 10:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Anderson is worthless, of course
Mitch is a bench player. Ini two years, Pie’s bat will be better than Bert’s.
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 9, 2009 11:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You really think so?
I see Bert as a short stroke, compact quick swing… the type of contact hitter that ends up around .285 for a career and he’s already shown he can hit .300 over 500+ ABs.
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by 306008 on Dec 9, 2009 11:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Callaspo should have a nice long steady career with his swing
but he has effectively reached the ceiling for his type of hitter. With his size and swing, he is never going to add much more power, and he lacks the speed to take the extra base on close plays. I would not be surprised his 156 ISO from 2009 ends up being close to his career high. His defense may not be as bad as it was last year, but while cutting down on the misplays and bad throws are certainly within his control, his range is only going to get worse as he ages. There just is not much upside remaining from what he did in 2009.
Pie already has shown more power with a lot more room to grow — he has the frame to add power without significantly cutting into his speed. Pie actually had a better walk rate than Callaspo last year. He will always strikeout more and make less contact than Callaspo, but he can make up for it with his power and speed. I might not go as far as Mr. Fingers and say that Pie will be a better hitter than Callaspo in two years, but I would say that Pie likely would be as good as hitter as Callaspo (in terms of value from hitting). With the significantly better defense, Pie would be the more valuable player overall.
by Gopherballs on Dec 9, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I just don't think that the power would be there when he plays at the K.
Camden is a tiny ball park. A lot of HRs there turn into F8s or 2Bs in the K…
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by 306008 on Dec 9, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The K decreases HRs
but increases 2Bs and 3Bs
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 9, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And flyball outs...
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by 306008 on Dec 9, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure what you are citing, but if it does, it is not by much
The K also decreases strikeouts by almost 10%. Overall, the K has played just slightly above neutral in favor of hitters, while Camden has played almost exactly the opposite. Pie moving from Baltimore to KC is not going to affect his performance much, if at all. In fact, not facing the Boston, New York, Tampa Bay, and Toronto pitching staffs so frequently may actually help him.
by Gopherballs on Dec 9, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The K decreases K's because the Royals pitchers suck..
lol. I love the “adjustments” they make for ballpark factors. Maybe the factor is that a super sucky team plays there and has since 1985… sigh.
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by 306008 on Dec 9, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
they account for all that
by regression, etc.
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 9, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but you can't really account for that, can you?
It’s a bunch of “what if” statements.
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by 306008 on Dec 9, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yes, they can account for it
and it is certainly more trustworthy than “Camden Yards looked small when I visited there five years ago so Felix Pie’s power would decline in KC”
by Gopherballs on Dec 9, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think for my sanity we might need to stop talking about Pie
because
1) It sounds like it’s not going to happen unless Dayton offeres something dumb, thus making me depressed after “coming so close” (in my mind) to the Royals making a good move and having it not happen. Not that anyone should care about my sanity.
and
2) Both my wife and I are sick to different degrees, and our driveway is snowcovered, and we don’t have any Pie in the house, so I’m not sure how THAY’s going to happen.
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 9, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, I'll shut my Pie hole
Too bad bakeries do not deliver in Canada (and offer snow removal service for a modest surcharge).
by Gopherballs on Dec 9, 2009 3:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nah, go ahead
dreaming is better than reality, anyway
DDJ-Pie-Church would be fun. Heck, DDJ-Pie-Hinske woud be almost as good.
Another topic to start (maybe elsewhere). Assuming the Royals are determined to trade Callaspo and (ugh) with YBJ at SS, would an Aviles/Getz 2B platoon make sense?
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 9, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
For a little more than the cost of 0.1 WAR of Jason Kendall
you could sponsor ~4.0 WAR goodness of Eric Hinske, Austin Kearns, and Ramon Castro.
by Gopherballs on Dec 9, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Logic and common sense
Have no place here, sir.
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by CentralChamps2009 on Dec 9, 2009 4:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but the different pitching staffs may help...
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by 306008 on Dec 9, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not really
the comparison is made between the same pitchers in one park versus the others
by Gopherballs on Dec 9, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I made this reply elsewhere
But Callaspo will regress next year simply because the odds are he will not play everyday. Getz starts at 2B, Guillen (sorry, but its true) starts in RF, and Hillman will not use Callaspo as a DH because he doesn’t have enough “slug.” Callaspo’s value has never been higher, and Pie, who was a big prospect, still has upside. Not only would I make the trade, I’d throw in a young arm to make it happen if it would (although I understand Baltimore also has a lot of young pitching talent and may not want that).
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by CentralChamps2009 on Dec 9, 2009 11:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Would have made more sense to us, not necessarily to them
Kenny Williams has a weird crush on Teahen. I wouldn’t assume other teams do as well (please don’t suddenly become good again, Mark).
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by jackie ballgame on Dec 9, 2009 11:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kenny Williams has a weird crush
on any member of the 2005 Royals. I still expect to see Chip Ambres suit up for the ChiSox some time in the near future.
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by cmkeller on Dec 9, 2009 11:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Pie, Teahen
The O’s don’t want Callaspo apparently because they want a power hitter at a corner. Like I said above, the Royals should get a third team involved. As far as what the White Sox are thinking on Teahen, I think Kenny Williams thinks the Royals screwed with Teahen by moving him around so much and that he will be better in all respects of the game if he just sticks at one position (although it’s hard to tell if the sox will actually stick with that).
by AJaha25 on Dec 9, 2009 10:59 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I guess the White Sox are hoping that his bat will return if he plays 3B all the time
they’d better, because there’s going to be a lot of grounders to left
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 9, 2009 11:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Josh Fields has power
Too bad he also sucks.
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 9, 2009 11:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Callaspo
(Sorry, the “reply” button isn’t working for me.) It just dawned on me that Callaspo could have some real value to the royals batting right-handed, considering his splits and that both Getz and Gordon bat lefty (I haven’t looked that their splits, but I know Gordon struggled last year against lefties). In other words, if Bert stays on the team (which I pray every day he does not), I’d expect him to play at least every time the Royals face a lefty on the mound (but that’s assuming we have a manager with half a brain).
by AJaha25 on Dec 9, 2009 11:09 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Gordon has struggled with lefties
but it’s still too early to platoon him regularly. If he needs rest, make it against a LHP if you can, but don’t protect him.
Callaspo as a super-utility who plays every day makes sense, but again, that downs his value a bit.
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 9, 2009 11:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Moore made the comment that Callaspo improved with Yuni in the lineup
Why do you think? Do they just work better together?
And where does Aviles fit in?
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by 306008 on Dec 9, 2009 11:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wishful thinking
Moore will say or do anything to make the Yuni deal sound better.
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by CentralChamps2009 on Dec 9, 2009 11:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is why, I'd love to see evidence backing up Moore's claim.
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by Warden11 on Dec 9, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Who is our defensive metrics wizard?
D-F?
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by 306008 on Dec 9, 2009 11:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What kind of info are you looking for?
I’d doubt if you could use split season defensive stats and draw any meaningful conclusions due to sample size issues.
The thing that most people are aware of and GMDM seems to be in denial about is Yuni’s defense. This remark made by him smells like more of the same.
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by Warden11 on Dec 9, 2009 11:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe a split.
Pre Yuni. Post Yuni.
Yuni with Callaspo. Yuni with Bloomers. Bloomers with Callaspo..
that type of thing…
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by 306008 on Dec 9, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I admittedly know next to nothing about advanced defensive metrics
But I’d have to agree with Warden, the playing time of the various combos you’ve thrown out is still so small that there’s no way significant sample sizes exist to draw any real conclusions.
Ironically, by Dayton’s own preferred “metric” the super-reliable and valuable stat known as the “Error.” Yuni was actually a worse fielder than Callaspo last year. In 161 games, Bert had 17 errors, with Yuni flubbing 7 plays in only 71 games (for the Royals). Project that out over a full season, and even under Dayton’s 1970 statistical analysis, that’s one putrid middle infield defense. It’s amazing that he’s so quick to excuse Yuni and his terrible bat, but apparently trying to move Bert off 2B (or the entire team) even with his comparatively incredible offensive performance.
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by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 9, 2009 12:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
That should have been 9 errors for Yuni in 71 games. Even better. Good eye for talent, Dayton.
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by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 9, 2009 12:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but Dayton realizes that most of Yuni's errors are
due to his amazing range and getting to balls that other short stops wouldn’t get within diving range.
/end sarcasm
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by Warden11 on Dec 9, 2009 12:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
so the over/under on the number of PAs Aviles get with the Royals from here on out
i’ll set it at 200
by Will McDonald on Dec 9, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Way under
I’ll take 25
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by CentralChamps2009 on Dec 9, 2009 1:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
don't know how he became the forgotten man...
but its lame
by Will McDonald on Dec 9, 2009 1:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He's not forgotten
I think he’s actively despised by the front office.
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by CentralChamps2009 on Dec 9, 2009 1:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't agree with that.
I think he just doesn’t fit their “prototype” of a SS.
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by 306008 on Dec 9, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
its stunning to me that with all the callaspo rumors
I haven’t seen (or remembered) a single thing about maybe slotting Aviles at 2nd or 3rd is Callspo gets moved
by Will McDonald on Dec 9, 2009 2:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think
Anyone expects him back from the injury until, say, June
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by CentralChamps2009 on Dec 9, 2009 2:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And then he'll have a lengthy rehab
He’ll be a september callup so they don’t have to send someone like Lisson down… ugh.
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by 306008 on Dec 9, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't think he was that injured...
damn
by Will McDonald on Dec 9, 2009 2:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Tommy John isn't good...
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by 306008 on Dec 9, 2009 2:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
classic trey quote
Mike Aviles underwent successful Tommy John surgery on Wednesday.
Aviles will miss the rest of the 2009 season and probably part of the 2010 campaign as well. “It was what they thought it would be.” Royals manager Trey Hillman said Wednesday evening.
by Will McDonald on Dec 9, 2009 2:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
all the red flags are there
1) wrong body type
2) acquired by Baird
3) filthy liar
4) showed up both Dayton and Trey’s inability to evaulate talent
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 9, 2009 2:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
More players than Aviles
have done significant harm to the perception of Dayton and Trey’s talent evaluation abilities.
But he IS a stubby, lying bastard who was drafted by the GM That Shall Not Be Named.
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by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 9, 2009 2:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I only wish Baird hadn't been left in charge on the minor leagues
and free agency during the 08-09 offseason
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 9, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Orioles
From MLBTR:
O’s offered P David Hernandez and a low level prospect for Millwood, with the Rangers eating $3 mill of the $12 million owed him. Rangers asked for P Chris Tillman.
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 9, 2009 11:12 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Rangers asking for Tillman...
is like the M’s asking for an organization’s top pitching prospect for Yuni. Oh, wait…
by AJaha25 on Dec 9, 2009 11:18 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
stop lying man
Cortes won’t even make the big leagues with the way he’s pitching now. Melville, Montgomery and Duffy will all be better
by GobbleforCyoung on Dec 9, 2009 11:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You can't ignore what some where saying at the time:
Namely, that the Royals should have simply waited a couple of weeks, because the Mariners might have decided to simply release him.
Mr Glass, this is a pro sports team, not a retail store - run it like one!
by loyal2sdad on Dec 9, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Meche
I posted it on another thread. But what’s Meche’s value to the O’s? Would Pie and another arm get Meche and would it help the O’s contend quicker while making us better?
To bad we didn’t do the deal with the Yanks and D-backs and Tigers yesterday. But it would have looked something like this.
Gardner to the Royals. Moustakas and Hosmer to the Yanks. Duffy and Melville to Arizona. Montgomery to Detroit.
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by 306008 on Dec 9, 2009 11:23 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
In response to Moore on Callaspo/Yuni...
I think Moore’s a delusional idiot. Every time he makes that comment, or any comment implying that Yuni improved the team, I want to go postal.
by AJaha25 on Dec 9, 2009 11:25 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
By this time next season, you'll be singing the praises of Yuni and how he played a great SS throughout the entire season.
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by 306008 on Dec 9, 2009 11:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I never figured out how to use it...
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by 306008 on Dec 9, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
type like this:
except without the spaces. i usually just highlight, make bold, then swap “code” for “bold”. (and then preview, of course)
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by benfunke on Dec 9, 2009 2:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am a rich man
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by 306008 on Dec 9, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ha! It works!
The Royals are going to win the AL Central in 2010
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by 306008 on Dec 9, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It worked again...
I wish they would.
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by 306008 on Dec 9, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's akin to saying player X
improved player’s Y batting performance by “protecting” him in the lineup.
Numerous studies have disproved that one time and again – and if it weren’t for sample size issues, I’m sure studies would quickly disprove the same thing on fielders.
Callaspo was a subpar defender before Yuni, and a subpar defender after Yuni.
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by loyal2sdad on Dec 9, 2009 11:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but hitting is contagious....
Is defense contagious?
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by 306008 on Dec 9, 2009 11:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Swine Defense?
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Dec 10, 2009 1:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So where does Aviles fit into our team 2010?
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by 306008 on Dec 9, 2009 11:40 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
rehab assignment for the year.
Go Royals!
by BabyBlues on Dec 9, 2009 11:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Can he catch?
Traded with Duffy for Pie.
Don't Stop Believing!
by KC Chris on Dec 9, 2009 11:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Since Moore blames him for "lying" about his injury
I’d guess he’s DFAed when he comes off the DL. If we can’t deal Callaspo, there will be too many infielders on the team already (Butler, Getz, Yuni, Gordon, Bert, Fields, and Spork). That only allows for four outfielders and two catchers (with one of that group DHing), because we all know there will be a 12 man pitching staff.
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by CentralChamps2009 on Dec 9, 2009 11:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In those names you mentioned is our 4th outfielder.
It is not one person, but I think it looks like this so far..
outfield/DH look to be held by DDJ and a committee.
Go Royals!
by BabyBlues on Dec 9, 2009 11:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I fear that
but I hope against it. My understanding is that Fields has only played LF (I guess he can play RF, but it is different) and Callaspo has never played OF. That means way too much Bloomers in RF and apparently CF again, since no one else can play CF. Mitch has to be on this team in 2010 to provide one passable backup OF.
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by CentralChamps2009 on Dec 9, 2009 12:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually...
Callaspo has played OF. 10 games (80 innings) for the D-Backs in 07 and 3 games (14 innings) for the Royals in 08. No errors! He’s practically a gold glover!
OK – not really. He didn’t record a fielding “chance” during the 14 innings in 08. So he kind of just stood out there – kind of like Guillen.
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by aHorseWithNoName on Dec 9, 2009 1:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why
would we want a shortstop that hit .325 with 10 HR his rookie season? He was only there as a stopgap since he’s not an ML prospect.
Enough crazy talk. Get behind Yuni!
by who am i? on Dec 9, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Can Aviles play RF?
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by 306008 on Dec 9, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I sure hope so
He should have the arm to do it.
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by chiefstatnut on Dec 9, 2009 4:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Are these the most boring Winter Meetings ever yet?
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by CentralChamps2009 on Dec 9, 2009 12:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Exhibit A
“Boof Bonser designated for assignment” is the 7th top story at MLBTR.
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by CentralChamps2009 on Dec 9, 2009 12:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I blame this year's location
All the front office people are so captivated with Indianapolis and all the magic and excitement it has to offer (in the middle of winter, no less!) that nothing is getting done. I don’t blame them.
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by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 9, 2009 12:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Why in the hell would MLB choose to go there?
Did Indy promise to pay the hotel and wet-bar bills?
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by Warden11 on Dec 9, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
*mini-bar
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by Warden11 on Dec 9, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
MLB doesn't choose
This whole thing is set up by the Minor Leagues. MLB just leeches on. That’s why its usually in minor league cities – Vegas, Nashville, Orlando…
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 9, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It was all obviously arranged by
Will Carroll.
This space for rent.
by jonfmorse on Dec 9, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The most exciting event in Indianapolis
Car drives around circle. Repeat 500×.
Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!
by cmkeller on Dec 9, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Monday is always a slow day
Things usually get going Wed and Thurs.
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 9, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
I think that, anytime you use the word “meetings”, the word “boring” is implied. Maybe that’s just me though…
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by aHorseWithNoName on Dec 9, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just trade for a good player Dayton
That’s all I ask
by GobbleforCyoung on Dec 9, 2009 12:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Your expectations are WAY too high
To continue being a Royals fan.
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by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 9, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Omar allegedly offers Bengie 2/$12M
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/12/mets-offer-two-years-to-bengie-molina.html
If he agrees (why wouldn’t he) then there’s only one Molina left on the board. Grab one while you can!
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by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 9, 2009 1:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
wow.
$6 million a year? If they all go for that price maybe we should resign Olivo for $3.3 million.
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by 306008 on Dec 9, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Or stick with Brayan as the started and promote one
of the many replacement level back-ups in the system at the MLB minimum.
by Mac'n'Seitz on Dec 9, 2009 1:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This would be a good year for what's his name...
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by 306008 on Dec 9, 2009 2:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Vance "Crash" Wilson NOW!
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by CentralChamps2009 on Dec 9, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Vance lives in Springdale.
I really believe that’s the only reason we have him in the system. I was standing there in Springfield and heard him talking to a buddy last year about how his arm isn’t good anymore and he is old… but still wants to be there.
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by 306008 on Dec 9, 2009 2:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rumor is that Bradley will be traded today.
Rangers, Rays and a “mystery” AL team in the mix, here we go.
Go Royals!
by BabyBlues on Dec 9, 2009 1:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Some team is going to be very happy unloading their sunk cost
for a 50/50 shot that Bradley can keep it together for a year. It looks like the Cubs will have to eat any difference in salary (maybe more), so teams would basically be getting a free play with Bradley. If he blows up (in the bad way), the team can simply dump him without remorse since it was already paying the money for nothing anyway.
by Gopherballs on Dec 9, 2009 1:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
so after a hot April...
we start negotiating with Guillen for an extenstion… I can see the “Guillen Finally at Home in Kansas City” story on royals.com now
by Will McDonald on Dec 9, 2009 1:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If they pull off Bradley
and get Branyan back (which Cameron told me weeks ago was basically a “done deal,” interesting that it isn’t done yet, though), they are going to make a serious run in 2010. Not sure if they’re the faves in the west, dependson the pitching…
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 9, 2009 1:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i see texas as all over the board
actually, angels are about the same way
could be a crazy division
by Will McDonald on Dec 9, 2009 2:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, sort of a bizarro AL Central
close because everyone is pretty good
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 9, 2009 2:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe its an old loyalty
but i think Oakland is gonna rise up again one of these years
by Will McDonald on Dec 9, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oakland may only be a year away
Brett Anderson is a monster (high K rate + low BB rate + groundballs = the Felix Hernandez skill set). Trevor Cahill should be really good too, plus the A’s have lots of interesting major league ready (or near ready) pitchers and only need a couple of them to step foward. And Beane has collected lots of interesting near ready prospects and young hitters under club control.
by Gopherballs on Dec 9, 2009 2:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
don't forget CMSU's own Josh Outman
by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on Dec 9, 2009 6:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
real looker, that one
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 9, 2009 6:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
MLBTR
had someone saying Seattle was also the favorite for Harden.
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by CentralChamps2009 on Dec 9, 2009 2:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My money is on the M's nabbing Harden too
Branyan is probably realizing no one is giving him the second year with his back issues, while the M’s may find they can get Nick Johnson for not much more than Branyan.
by Gopherballs on Dec 9, 2009 2:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
unless the comments pick up
it looks like we won’t need an overflow thread today
by Will McDonald on Dec 9, 2009 1:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Just wait for the Ramon Castro signing
and everyone will go nuts about Moore making a decent decision.
by Gopherballs on Dec 9, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
true dat
or, I guess, when we get the next Callaspo rumor
by Will McDonald on Dec 9, 2009 1:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i've got your rumor right here
he’s going to coach Notre Dame football
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by benfunke on Dec 9, 2009 2:29 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
rumor from where?
"He once had an awkward moment, just to see how it felt...he lives vicariously...through himself- He is the most interesting man in the world"
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Dec 9, 2009 1:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I figure everyone's following
MLBTR and/or Dutton, but for those who aren’t, the Red Sox are talking to Ryan Shealy on a minor league contract. I can see that pinch hit HR off of John Bale (or whatever terrible LH reliever replaces him) over the Green Monster now.
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by CentralChamps2009 on Dec 9, 2009 1:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
except Shealy has a reverse platoon split...
so I’d say the HR comes off Farnsworth
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by CollininCalifornia on Dec 9, 2009 1:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Shealy has normal splits in the minors, and the sample size in the majors doesn’t establish squat, especially for a right-handed hitter
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 9, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
in any event
the GW HR will give Ramon Ramirez the victory
by Will McDonald on Dec 9, 2009 2:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
true dat
ALL DAY!
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by CentralChamps2009 on Dec 9, 2009 2:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't I read that Boston has Ram-Rams now?
I hope everyone remembers Ram-Ram when Crisp signs elsewhere.
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 9, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Guillen, Jacobs,
Anderson, Bettencourt, Farnsworth, and Bloomquist for a bag full of dirty laundry! Our old, used up jocks for someone elses.
Make it happen Dayton, please, we beg you.
by who am i? on Dec 9, 2009 2:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The hottest #Royals retweet right now?
A picture of snow on a dugout at Kauffman (thanks, aroundthehornkc!)
At least the impending Kendall contract would give us something of substance to talk about.
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by CentralChamps2009 on Dec 9, 2009 2:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Orioles just got Millwood
They should contend next year
by GobbleforCyoung on Dec 9, 2009 2:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
That battle for 3rd in the AL East
should be really heating up
by sterlingice on Dec 9, 2009 2:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lefty pitcher % post on A'sNation was pretty interesting
i registered with them to post a comment, but i can’t comment etc until 1 day from registering. My comment would have been something like this:
If you remove the bottom-quarter (or so) of the lefty pitchers, you have to replace them with righties—righties who are worse than the current set of MLB righties, which seems to mean that you have to get to the balance where you could add/subtract a lefty or add/subtract a righty and they would have the same FIP (and have the same number of pitchers overall that you started with). And I imagine this affects the 22% number by a decent amount, though of course the well-thought-out and -researched point is still plenty valid and interesting.
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by benfunke on Dec 9, 2009 2:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Can someone fill me in...
on why I haven’t heard AJ Ellis’s name mentioned once outside of the initial rumor? (for the Royals or any other team)?
by AJaha25 on Dec 9, 2009 2:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
because it wasn't true?
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by 306008 on Dec 9, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My Jason Kendall contract estimate
is 2 years for $3 million. You can keep the winning prize if mine is the closest guess – I already have nothing.
by Valcour on Dec 9, 2009 2:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
That offer is a dream
That’s less than Buck and the second year, while bad, would not be horrifyingly bad. That’s less than Bloomers, isn’t it?
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by CentralChamps2009 on Dec 9, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
about the same
not bad, but not worth it. Kendall MIGHT be above replacement level, but ever so slightly, and he’d need to play way to much to prove it. SEriously.
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 9, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kendall is not worth it
But I’m resigned to the fact that he’s the guy. I just don’t want the contract to be too painful.
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by CentralChamps2009 on Dec 9, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I really like Buck for not good reason
but I understand it’s time to move on
but NOT if Jason Kendall at anything like even Bloomquist money is the alternative.
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 9, 2009 3:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If we had to give Kendall $3M a year
Wouldn’t we be better of just paying Buck’s Arb Award?
by AxDxMx on Dec 9, 2009 5:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you would think…
although maybe they think buck is horrible defensively
by Will McDonald on Dec 9, 2009 5:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I see no reason to doubt the Royals' ability to evaluate defense
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 9, 2009 5:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My Kendall estimate
2 years/$7.4 million
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by 306008 on Dec 9, 2009 3:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Ugh
Sorry, 306008 but, I hope you’re wrong.
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 9, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll bet it's close
if the second year is an option year: 1/3-andchange with a $4M option for 2010. With PT incentives, I’ll bet he’ll make more than Buck would have this year.
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by CentralChamps2009 on Dec 9, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Me to DF.
Me too. (which spelling is it)
But I have this feeling based on … other acquisitions ….
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by 306008 on Dec 9, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
too
This must be Dayton’s “You guys didn’t like Olivo, I’ll show YOU!” statement.
When you’d rather hear your team linked to Rod Barajas than some other player, it’s truly a brutal offseason.
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 9, 2009 3:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
here's the plan
Instead of a centerfielder, since obviously no body is fast enough, we bring olivo back. Then we move callaspo to short since he has more range than yuni. We take yuni and put him about 10 steps behind olivo to handle passed balls.
We politely ask the opposing hitter not to hit the ball towards the centerfield area.
problem solved!
by who am i? on Dec 9, 2009 3:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We could play this game all day
“You guys didn’t like Joey Gathright. I’ll show YOU: Josh Anderson!”
“You guys didn’t like Ross Gload. I’ll show YOU: Mike Jacobs!”
“You guys didn’t like Brett Tomko. I’ll show YOU: Sidney Ponson!”
And, of course:
“You guys didn’t like Angel Berroa. I’ll show YOU: Tony Pena Jr!”
“You guys didn’t like Tony Pena Jr. I’ll show YOU: Yuniesky Betancourt!”
It’s like a masochists convention
by sterlingice on Dec 9, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
A couple more off the top of my head...
Ron Mahay/Kyle Farnsworth
Emil Brown/Jose Guillen
by sterlingice on Dec 9, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
GMDM’s entire personnel acquisition philosophy does seem to be based on spite.
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by CentralChamps2009 on Dec 9, 2009 3:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The Buddy Bell Prophecy strikes again
Heck, it applies to Moore himself
You guys don’t like an affable, incompetent GM with a shoestring budget?
I’ll show YOU: An arrogant, incompetent GM with a much larger budget!
Now please renovate the stadium.
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 9, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
WEDNESDAY, 1:36pm: ESPN’s Jerry Crasnick tweets that Correia declined the Padres’ final contract offer and has been told he’ll be non-tendered by the Saturday deadline. Does he have no trade value?
Maybe we can trade for him?
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by 306008 on Dec 9, 2009 3:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
We should be all over that
Great FIP, decent peripherals. Certainly better than Davies, Hochevar.
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 9, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would
What 3 mil or so in Arb? I’d take that.
by kcbottom9th on Dec 9, 2009 3:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
definitely worth a look
a little suspicious of any pitchers numbers in SDN’s park, but tRA has him above average in both 2007 and 2008, Rally seems him as around average — potential #3
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 9, 2009 3:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like Correia
I can’t believe that the Padres would really be so cheap/stupid as to non-tender the guy.
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by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 9, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If we get him do we keep as a starter?
If so does that mean we actively court trading some of our current starters or just go into the season loaded on the mound?
Greinke…Meche….Banny……Correia…….Hochevar???
by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Dec 9, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget the ever-necessary LH starter
Banny is traded for whatever we can get from an NL team and Davies goes to the pen where he belongs.
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by CentralChamps2009 on Dec 9, 2009 4:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That would be great, actually.
But only if Banny could net us something.
by Dadunca on Dec 9, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like Banny...
I hope he never pitches for another team… Becomes our Tim Wakefield.
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by averagegatsby on Dec 9, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm good with that too.
If he can get something and it’s not a hit to our rotation, why not move him?
by Dadunca on Dec 9, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Because as long as Banny is on our team...
GMDM and his cronies will be forced to deal with advanced stuff.
Which is why I fully expect him to be traded, dont want that guy making management look bad.
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by averagegatsby on Dec 9, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that's why they ran Banny into the ground last year...
“I’ll show you advanced stats… that’s pitch number 145, Smart Ass!!!”
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by KC Chris on Dec 9, 2009 5:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Looks like Torrealba
is going back to the Rox. One step closer to Kendall.
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by CentralChamps2009 on Dec 9, 2009 3:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Who needs Russian Roulette, when we can play horrible FA catcher roulette, and live to tell about it?
Two bullets dodged, four more until our luck runs out…
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by loyal2sdad on Dec 9, 2009 3:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I kept thinking of that same analogy
No idea how we would have ended up both thinking about suicide
by sterlingice on Dec 9, 2009 3:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Heymen says the WSox may be looking at
Scotty Pods, Crisp, Pierre — as opposed to Matsui. Hmmm… does this drive up the price we pay for Pods?
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by CollininCalifornia on Dec 9, 2009 3:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Poor Coco
that injury really messed things up. No way he shouldn’t be lumped in with Pods and Pierre.
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 9, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It might drive up Pods' price...
But then I would think it would lower Crisp’s price if the Sox ended up signing Pods or trading for Pierre. That would be one less potential landing spot for Coco.
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by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 9, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Padres strike again
Released RHP Eulogio De La Cruz. Last year he “ended up posting a 3.12 ERA, 7.7 K/9, and 5.7 BB/9 in 69.3 Triple A innings, allowing only two home runs.” He’s obviously got control problems, but apparently his FB sits betwenn 93-97. He sounds De La Rosa-esqu to me and sounds more enticing than Roman Colon in the pen. Anyone know more?
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by CentralChamps2009 on Dec 9, 2009 3:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Was he ever in the Braves system?
no use getting our hopes up
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 9, 2009 3:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope
One of the Tigers’ pieces in the Cabrera/Wilis swap, went to the Marlins and then the Padres.
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by CentralChamps2009 on Dec 9, 2009 3:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He's the kind of fringy-upside guy
Worth taking a flier on for a cheap bullpen. I think every guy like this can become the next RamRam. Plus, if, like RamRam, he became the setup guy, we’d have “The Eulogy” before the Mexicution (actually, he uses “Frankie” as a nickname because people can’t pronounce “ay oo low HEE oh”).
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by CentralChamps2009 on Dec 9, 2009 4:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
nickname pushes him over the top for me
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 9, 2009 4:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't Soria
have to be setup in that case (from a nickname standpoint)?
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by DCRoyals on Dec 9, 2009 5:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yea...
although I think they sometimes gave sermons prior to public executions back in the day
we could also have the setup man be “The Death Sentence”, then Soria, then Eulogy as the postgame show
by Will McDonald on Dec 9, 2009 5:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't "The Death Sentence"
in any way referring to the “Kansas City Royals” sort of redundant?
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by KC Chris on Dec 9, 2009 5:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Instead of "The Death Sentence"
He could be “Judge and Jury”.
by AxDxMx on Dec 9, 2009 5:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If you think about it,
Farnsworth already was “The Death Sentence” when allowed to set up. (Just the wrong team receiving the sentence)
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by loyal2sdad on Dec 9, 2009 5:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and Farnsworth could be
“The Pardon”
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by benfunke on Dec 9, 2009 5:40 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Naw
It’s extra cruel to know that death by Mexicutioner is coming when your have to witness your own Eulogy
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by CentralChamps2009 on Dec 9, 2009 5:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
60 final exams graded
20 more to go
will to live fading
by Will McDonald on Dec 9, 2009 3:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Essays or short answer?
Grading 80 essay tests sounds like one of the higher levels of hell.
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by CentralChamps2009 on Dec 9, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
blue book essays
but there’s no comments, just straight grades, which is a big help
by Will McDonald on Dec 9, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Last 20 get a B+
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by CentralChamps2009 on Dec 9, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta follow the bell curve!
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by Warden11 on Dec 9, 2009 7:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
43 Wins, 62 Wins, 69 Wins and then retire?
I almost want to sponsor Buddy Bell’s baseball-reference page. It’s only $15 and I could even link to RR with something like "Where we are reminded on a daily basis of his most famous quote ‘It can always get worse’ "
by sterlingice on Dec 9, 2009 9:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Start a post on it, and a paypal account dedicated to it.
I would donate a dollar.
by AxDxMx on Dec 9, 2009 11:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, if Will is cool with it- sounds like fun
Maybe have a post about what we should put there, too
I’ll see if I can get on that today. I’m going to be out of town this weekend and then Christmas hits. Maybe this is a project better left for after the new year
by sterlingice on Dec 10, 2009 9:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Do any of your students know your alter ego?
And if so, do they try to gain bonus points by dropping a random Amos Otis reference?
by Gopherballs on Dec 9, 2009 4:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no, although I guess its possible, but I don't mention RR
being named will makes you close to invisible on google (though I doubt any of them would google me)
they’re like 70% female, so I doubt they’re on sports blogs much
by Will McDonald on Dec 9, 2009 4:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
is it more comp or literature?
did straight comp for the first time this year… not a huge fan
by Will McDonald on Dec 9, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My career started in comp, but then I moved to high school
Best decision I ever made. It’s more or less an even split, which is pretty great.
by Dadunca on Dec 9, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
New MLBTR on Kendall
says the Rangers are in on him. If true…
The good: someone else may get him!
The bad: we’re going to overpay a lot for him.
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by CentralChamps2009 on Dec 9, 2009 4:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Why?
is Saltalamacchia not gong to be ready at the beginning of next season? Any chance this means the Royals should target Teagarden?
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 9, 2009 4:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
veteran catchers are the new luxury item for otherwise young teams
they are the wisest, leadererist men on the planet
by Will McDonald on Dec 9, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
just wait til Buck hits his mid 30s
he’ll be coveted
by Will McDonald on Dec 9, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
we really need the yankees to get in on this
girardi loves him a useless catcher
by Will McDonald on Dec 9, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You can really smell the grit on them
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by CentralChamps2009 on Dec 9, 2009 4:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It does say they just "have an interest"
So maybe they’re just toying with Moore now just for fun—“look how much he paid for Guillen when he was bidding against no one. Let’s see if we can get him to give Kendall a third year!”
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by CentralChamps2009 on Dec 9, 2009 4:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If I were the GM of another team...
that would be my favorite hobby.
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by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 9, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
this catcher frenzy is baffling to me
weirdest bidding war ever
but I guess its good news that Dayton isn’t alone (for how we think of him) bad (for the price)
by Will McDonald on Dec 9, 2009 4:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously, wtf?
I don’t remember ever reading this much about catchers…maybe it’s just RR.
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by Warden11 on Dec 9, 2009 7:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dutton says we have interest in Mark Mulder
What would Mulder be worth?
1 mill with incentives to 5 or so?
Even 1million base seems high.
by AlanSimpson on Dec 9, 2009 4:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i think Prior got $1 million dollar deals after all his injuries
i think its a combination of pride and living expenses, but anything less than a million for a lot of these guys, and they’ll just as soon retire
by Will McDonald on Dec 9, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the minimum?
the guys basically in the same situation as Mark Prior.
its a junk buy and if he started a game for you it would be a surprise.
by wildthang on Dec 9, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
prior's last two deals
# 1 year (2009)
* re-signed by San Diego 1/13/09 (minor-league contract)
* $1M salary on Major League roster (salary not guaranteed)
* released by San Diego 8/1/09
# 1 year/$1M (2008)
* signed by San Diego as a free agent 12/26/07
* $4.5M in performance bonuses
I think Mulder is a year away from taking the minimum, but could be wrong, maybe he’s there now
by Will McDonald on Dec 9, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Minor league deal
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 9, 2009 4:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
was he the guy who was underwhelming for the braves
or was that Hudson?
can never remember
by Will McDonald on Dec 9, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hudson.
The A’s traded all those guys right as they were done being good. I wish we could do that.
by Dadunca on Dec 9, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gee, what a concept
I expect our GM to start doing that very soon<code>
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by loyal2sdad on Dec 9, 2009 5:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mulder was terible for the Cardinals
Hudson’s been up-and-down for the Braves, although he’s roughly been worth the money overall for them. Great 2007.
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 9, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
imagine if the cards got the mulder they expected...
could have had a helluva run
side point: the cardinals brought home something about sports to me: its better to be A- for three years than A+ for one
the Colts and Cards each one titles with probably their 3rd or 4th best teams this decade
by Will McDonald on Dec 9, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mid 70s thru mid 80s Royals did the same thing
They may have won their title with something like their 6th or 7th best team from the arbitrary decade of 1976-1985
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by loyal2sdad on Dec 9, 2009 5:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if this is heresy or not
but I don’t think, objectively speaking, the ’85 team could hold the jocks of teh late-70s teams
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 9, 2009 6:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not heresy
Although I think the ‘85 team had slightly better pitching, overall the 70’s teams were superior.
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by CentralChamps2009 on Dec 9, 2009 7:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wally over at Kings of Kauffman
reports that Jon Nunally is the new batting coach for the Indians. I always irrationally liked that guy.
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by CentralChamps2009 on Dec 9, 2009 4:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
previous indians htting coach
married a 22 year old intern of the most popular radio host in town, but she really gets along with his 10 year old kids so its all good
by Will McDonald on Dec 9, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Me too.
The Flying Nun! He finished third on our team in HR the year he was a Rule 5 pick, which is cool, and also kinda sad.
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 9, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll always remember him homering on his first big league AB
Sorta cool, in a trivial kinda way
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by loyal2sdad on Dec 9, 2009 5:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In other news, Mike Tyson has begun teaching third grade.
He’ll be about as successful as Nun.
by Dadunca on Dec 9, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
watched some tyson on espn classic a few nights back
I didn’t realize it, but he was basically a youtube sensation in a 1980s context
he fought all these tomato cans, knocked them out quickly, and it kept building his fame as he reached the big time
by Will McDonald on Dec 9, 2009 5:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How many times did he beat Glass Joe?
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 9, 2009 8:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Or that hungry young fighter, Boxcar whathisname?
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 9, 2009 9:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That wasn't Mike Tyson. That was Drederick Tatum ;)
“Brawled his way up from the boxcars, did he?”
“Uh, no, not yet, he still lives at the trainyard. But he’s a hungry young fighter. In fact, he’s actually fighting for a sandwich.”
by sterlingice on Dec 9, 2009 10:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dutton tweets twice
Once saying Moore’s “still hedging” on cutting someone before the Rule V draft, and then saying to expect someone to be released by tomorrow morning. I guess that means we are taking a pick, but Moore still doesn’t know who he wants to cut?
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by CentralChamps2009 on Dec 9, 2009 5:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
maybe he just cuts Guillen and moves on
by Will McDonald on Dec 9, 2009 5:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No way. He has to see if Guillen can play this year.
by AlanSimpson on Dec 9, 2009 5:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would at least give Guilllen a chance
The guy says he’s healthy, let him play April and May, if he stinks then cut bait.
I’ll be happy to be rid of him after the season is over, but there’s still a slim, slim chance he could be flipped as a RH bat off the bench in June if the Royals pick up the entire salary (which they’ll do if they release him now). I’d rather have Guillen than Josh Anderson, I’ll put it that way.
by AxDxMx on Dec 9, 2009 5:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Anderson can't hit, but he can play acceptable defense
Guillen can do neither
Seriously, Guillen shouldn’t be on a major league roster on anything other than a minor-league deal at this point. He can’t hit, run, or field. I guess he has lots of “fire” and can inspire morons who think RBI reflects skill to become GMs or something and make idiotic comments here that we don’t even have the energy to respond to, but, whatever…
I guess he has lots of “fire.”
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 9, 2009 5:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but isn’t he effectively on the roster for less than a minor-league deal (i.e., zero) — he gets paid the same whether he is on the team or not, and our assertion that he can’t hit seems very likely but not absolute.
just playing devil’s advocate (although that has a weird context considering the d_f moniker), but i do think AxDxMx is right — Guillen’s almost like a prospect at this point: maybe he has a decent first half with the bat and can be traded, maybe not, but no salary harm done by keeping him on the roster (though he’s occupying a 25-man spot that could be Kila’s, I guess).
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by benfunke on Dec 9, 2009 5:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Josh Anderson is occupying Kila's roster spot
Guillen also doesn’t have to play RF, he can DH. He wouldn’t be a total liability there, especially if his swing is healthy like he says.
by AxDxMx on Dec 9, 2009 11:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yes, i guess it is important to note that no situation
that could possibly favor Guillen would have him in the field. and i would change “wouldn’t be a total liability” to “might not be a total liability”. there’s a decent chance he’s just as bad a last year, in which case he’s a severe liability at DH (or any position, for that matter).
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by benfunke on Dec 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he would also be a liability if he hit like he did in 2008
…or in 2006
Oh well. Sometimes, contracts with early 30s, unathletic, defensively challenged, oft-injured corner outfielders don’t work out. Thems the breaks.
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 10, 2009 8:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You are in rare form tonight, sir.
Your profile page has you at just over 26,000 comments in 21 months. You realize that’s 41 comments a day?!?!? That’s gotta be at least 35 CAR (comments above replacement)!
Whereas I only make about 9 comments a day (I was a lurker for a few months), and I thought I spent too much time here.
Let the snark flow like Farnsworth fastballs, fast and hard!
by AxDxMx on Dec 11, 2009 12:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe my dissertation isn't done yet!
suicide now
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 11, 2009 1:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
do what?
Anderson is the worst defensive outfielder I’ve seen in a major league uniform over the past 40 years.. Not counting his physical advantage of speed. Obvsiously that builds in some range and lets him compensate for some mistakes.. But his actual fielding, route running, ball tracking, throwing…..I’d rather have man-ram in CF than him.
by who am i? on Dec 9, 2009 6:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
how was that not in sarcasm font, RR?
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by loyal2sdad on Dec 9, 2009 5:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I really thought we’d see a deal by now
I guess Dayton is focused on the Rule V
by Will McDonald on Dec 9, 2009 5:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I bet he takes one of his own players
Royals select P Julio Pimentel
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 9, 2009 8:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
wow
willing to go 2 years on kendall
what is the point of Dayton Moore?
by wildthang on Dec 9, 2009 5:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It feels just as dumb as I thought it would.
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by McClure 'stache on Dec 9, 2009 5:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bob Dutton
You’re killing me! (technically, I guess it’s Dayton. Bob’s just the messenger).
If you look closely, it really says "CentralChamps2012."
by CentralChamps2009 on Dec 9, 2009 5:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Check
Your move, Omar.
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by SittinByTheFoulPole on Dec 9, 2009 5:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Omar may have already checkmated Dayton on free-agent C acquisition
if the 2/$12M offer to Benjie is true.
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by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 9, 2009 5:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
sweet bastard, IT'S ON
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 9, 2009 6:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hell, if Dayton Moore can get a multi-year extension after the performance he's put up
why not multiple years for Kendall? That’s nothing.
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 9, 2009 5:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hello, I'm pretty terrible at baseball too!
Can I have a multi-year, multi-million dollar contract too? Pretty please?!?!?
by AxDxMx on Dec 9, 2009 11:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The actual tweet was the ridiculous part of it...
Royals_Report
Hearing the #Royals have upped offer to C Jason Kendall to two years in hopes of eliminating competition.
reads like an onion headline.
by Bart41 on Dec 9, 2009 5:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
this headline was incomplete:
Hearing the Royals have upped offer to C Jason Kendall to two years in hopes of eliminating competition…
for 1st draft pick in 2011.
Mr Glass, this is a pro sports team, not a retail store - run it like one!
by loyal2sdad on Dec 9, 2009 5:51 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Is this another situation where Dayton has ZERO competition?
I think it very well could be…
by AxDxMx on Dec 9, 2009 11:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
we will eliminate ALL competition
for our guy that barely anyone wants
lets just trust the process, ok?
by Will McDonald on Dec 9, 2009 6:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if we had a "The Process Manifesto" (who says we don't?)
that would be one of the first tenets
(and by “we”, I mean us, not the royals)
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by benfunke on Dec 9, 2009 7:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
At least
we might have our leadoff hitter!
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by SittinByTheFoulPole on Dec 9, 2009 5:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
THe Royals got Harden for 7.5 million
shit we should have done that!
by GobbleforCyoung on Dec 9, 2009 5:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Probably didn't want to play here
What with all the winning
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 9, 2009 8:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Poz's Least Valuable Player entry a couple of weeks ago had Yuni and Jose in the top five finalists in the AL...
Now Dayton has us associatin’ with two of the finalists in the NL: Kendall and Bradley. Buddy was right, “It can always get worse.”
by Steve Hovley on Dec 9, 2009 6:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
But it takes a lot of hard work
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Dec 10, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
from twitter:
After Yanks dealt for Curtis Granderson, the Royals checked in to see if Brett Gardner was available to plug their CF opening
.
-jaysonst
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by CollininCalifornia on Dec 9, 2009 7:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
which is Jayson Stark, btw
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by CollininCalifornia on Dec 9, 2009 7:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Did they do anything
besides check?
BTW, the new Rany post is pretty solid.
by bas on Dec 9, 2009 7:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess the recession is good for one thing
But if the worst thing that Moore does this off-season is give Jason Kendall a two-year deal…well, I’ve seen a lot worse than that. And there’s a good chance that will be the case, if for no other reason than the Royals simply don’t have the money to make a more expensive mistake
It saves DM from doing further damage
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 9, 2009 8:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that would be awesome
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 9, 2009 8:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
although the phrasing leaves nothing to the imagination
it is an appropriate “metaphor” for most Dayton Moore trades
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 9, 2009 8:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly (and amazingly)
This has been the best news I’ve heard this week.
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by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 9, 2009 8:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
http://twitter.com/jaysonst/status/6514102948
checking in on Brett Gardner. Could be interesting
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by McClure 'stache on Dec 9, 2009 8:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
oh, repost. I suck
Just had a chem test, brain not functioning well
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by McClure 'stache on Dec 9, 2009 8:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not to defend GMDM
too much… but this coupled with Rany’s post makes me feel not so bad about the Royals… perhaps they’re not as smart as some people on this site, but they’re probably not as dumb as we make them out to be, either.
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by CollininCalifornia on Dec 9, 2009 8:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I've got to see how they handle Yuni this year before I give the front office too much credit.
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by Warden11 on Dec 9, 2009 8:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, again
the fact that SS is the one position we’ve heard NO speculation about really says it all. It’s the biggest whole on the team, by far and most obviously. I mean, you could find SOMEONE to stick in RT, and, believe it or not, Brayan Pena (or, god forbid, John Buck) would not be the worst thing inthe world at catcher… but YBJ is an utter disaster. He and Guillen…
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 9, 2009 9:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
good, glad we cleared that up...
so everyone loves GMDM now?
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by CollininCalifornia on Dec 9, 2009 9:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rosenthal says B Lyon could get 2/$9MM...
i don’t know…
is he really as good as farnsworth?
but his sub .250 BABIP makes me think he’ll regress a lot next year.
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by CollininCalifornia on Dec 9, 2009 8:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hi Royals fans!
I hate to resurrect the Pie talk, but I was wondering, IF the Orioles were to get Billy Butler from the Royals in a trade, would a Pie plus package get it done? If so, Pie plus who/what kind of player? If Pie plus wouldn’t get it done, what would?
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by Stacey on Dec 9, 2009 11:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Nothing. Billy Butts is untouchable I think.
You want to send us Chris Tillman, Brian Roberts, and Felix Pie, we might talk.
by AxDxMx on Dec 9, 2009 11:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
heh
had a back-and-forth with the Camden Crazies guy on Twitter re: Pie
While Butleri is overrated by many Royals fans, and Pie is underrated, I don’t thin that would be enough. Butler is a good, young hitter. Sure, that’s pretty much all he can do, but you could say the same about Ryan Howard and Justin Morneau, too. Again, those are two of the most overrated playhers in baseball, but Butler is under team control… He’s not untouchable (to me), but given that he’s really KC’s only potential position player star (I still have faith in Gordon, but there aren’t many of us left) anywhere close to the big leagues, they’re going to need a single piece back, they aren’t goingn to do it for average outfielder (Pie) + spare parts. And I don’t hink Baltimore is going to be giving up Adam Jones anytime soon (nor should they, especially for Butler, who’s far less valuable).
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 9, 2009 11:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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