Secrets of the AL Central VIII - Kansas City the Fastest Growing Metro in the Division
by royalsreview on Feb 11, 2009 2:00 PM EST
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Maybe Royals fans should hold off on demanding more revenue sharing or a salary cap.
The Kansas City metro area is the fastest growing MSA in the AL Central, just edging out Minneapolis-St. Paul!
Listed below are the growth rates for each divisional MSA from 2000 to 2007:
| Pop. Change 00-07 | MSA Size | National Rank | |
| Kansas City | +8.11% | 1.98M | 29th |
| Minn-St.Paul | +8.06% | 3.2M | 16th |
| Chicago | +4.68% | 9.5M | 3rd |
| Detroit | +0.34% | 4.46M | 11th |
| Cleveland | -2.40% | 2.09M | 25th |
At this rate, in another fifteen years, Kansas City will be at 2.3 million, while Cleveland will be at 1.99 million. As the man once said, we can build on this!
I had no idea that the Detroit metro was that large, or the Twin Cities for that matter. Considering how bad it looks like 2008 was, and 2009 plans to be, I wonder what the updated numbers will look like. Then again, with the malaise so widespread, maybe there are no longer many places for rust belters to go...
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A lot of people think
Minneapolis is some big city with a small town feel like place. It’s huge and possesses a lot of companies National Headquarters like Target and Best Buy just to name a couple. Lots of jobs there is what I’m trying to get at.
Kansas City seems to really be trying hard to become a major league city as of late, though.
by I need more Esteban on Feb 11, 2009 2:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I really enjoyed the Twin Cities when I visited in November
by royalsreview on Feb 11, 2009 3:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I grudgingly say it is pretty nice. Downtown they have and endless system of downtown “walkways” between the buildings kinda like crown center between union station.
downtown seems kinda clean, lots of big buildings. NBA, NHL, MLB there. Heck, they even have LIGHT RAIL!
One thing though – It gets downright FROSTY there dec-march
Alex Gordon in '08
by RoyalJHWKR on Feb 11, 2009 3:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
MN/St. Paul has always been a great town. Its clean and has lots of outdoorsey types up there. BTW, you should join us on the SB Nation KU site for the Open Game Thread on Saturday against KSU…
by labbadabba on Feb 11, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
MN/St. Paul
Is also home to my favorite band – The Hold Steady. And my exgf, but thats something else.
Yeah I’ll try to stop by. I’m not usually really big on game threads but I’ve wanted to get more involved.
Alex Gordon in '08
by RoyalJHWKR on Feb 11, 2009 3:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The place has really heated up
we’ve had over a 1,000 posts in two of the last three threads…
by labbadabba on Feb 11, 2009 4:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
this is a good little community
i especially like some of the non baseball topics like this that RR puts up.
Plus, I’m really getting revved up for the season
Alex Gordon in '08
by RoyalJHWKR on Feb 11, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I heard the dude blamed the chick, I heard the chick blamed the snake.
Also my favorite band.
by hippdoghipp on Feb 11, 2009 5:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If you didn't like the winters in Iowa... are you in for a surprise in the Twin Cities.
Try standing waiting for a bus in 40 below wind chill. Gives a whole new meaning to “blue balls.”
by grudz96 on Feb 11, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
MSA size in 2007, I suppose?
I wonder if we’re the smallest in MLB?
by Bornin85 on Feb 11, 2009 2:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
yea, those totals and ranks are from '07
by royalsreview on Feb 11, 2009 2:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and yes KC is smallest
Cleveland looks to be second smallest at this point, then Pittsburgh (22nd) then Baltimore (20th)
by royalsreview on Feb 11, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
WRONG!!!
The answer is Milwaukee-Waukesha-West Allis, WI MSA.
Next question…what number am I thinking of?
"Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it." -Hal McRae
by Sweep_the_Leg on Feb 11, 2009 2:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
sorry
didn’t see that
we can build on this
by royalsreview on Feb 11, 2009 2:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I actually thought...
you were probably right, and figured that Milwaukee must just have been included in Chicago’s MSA. But when I actually looked at the table, there it was in its own litle spot at No. 38.
"Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it." -Hal McRae
by Sweep_the_Leg on Feb 11, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
fyi
there’s a Beyond the Box Score Live Chat going on right now
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by devil_fingers on Feb 11, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting.
So then to generate revenue comparable to other teams, it HAS to market well to surrounding rural areas (eastern Kansas, Nebraska, southern Iowa, etc).
They should hire political consultants. Then we can have Royals commercials with shotguns and NRA endorsements.
by Bornin85 on Feb 11, 2009 2:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Arkansas wouldn't hurt either
but the state just does not seem to care
its actually one of my weakest states for traffic… anywhere
by royalsreview on Feb 11, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I included them
etc. is short for Arkansas, right?
by Bornin85 on Feb 11, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That includes a certain man living in Bentonville as well
Not sure he has cared all that much thru the years, despite what he wants us to think. I’d be willing to bet he would have been a much better owner if he had bought the Cardinals instead.
Mr Glass, this is a pro sports team, not a retail store - run it like one!
by loyal2sdad on Feb 12, 2009 10:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
don't forget
Grass Creek, and any leftover crevices all over the country.
Feb 13!!
by kabrink on Feb 11, 2009 11:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it looks like the south WILL rise again
cities in the south and the southwest appear to have had a 20% increase across the board in this time span, while nothern industrial cities are taking a beating.
by 9il on Feb 11, 2009 2:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
maybe
but with the housing market collapsed, it looks like the headiest days of the sun belt growing out of control are over
by royalsreview on Feb 11, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
For now
And then the economy will rebound, and then the exodus to the southwest, Pacific northwest and the south will pick back up again.
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by NYRoyal on Feb 11, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe.... but i dunno how much
seems like to me the big advantages the sun belt had was cheap attractive land/housing, pro-business local government and weather
my parents live in austin, which was, i think the single fastest growing MSA during this period, now people are living much farther out than before, and it seems like the prime places have been claimed, likewise, the political environment is different, as governments have to find a way to pay for new schools, roads, etc
still great weather though
long term, it will be interesting to see what happens
California is set to lose a Cogressional seat in the next reshuffling, which i don’t think has ever happened
by royalsreview on Feb 11, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt one significant recession will change the demographic shift patters which have been going on for at least two decades
During this recession it’s going to be much more difficult for anyone to move or buy a new house anywhere. But when the recession ends, the same factors that led to the exodus from the NE to the SW, Pacific NW and the south will be there and should likely cause the exodus to pick up again.
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by NYRoyal on Feb 11, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
boo.
I say all the hearty souls of the US should spend their winters in the Dakotas. I guarantee you people will bitch and moan a lot less once they get some perspective.
by labbadabba on Feb 11, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
never been to either dakota
really wanted to when i lived in Iowa, but never made it
by royalsreview on Feb 11, 2009 3:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You're not missing a whole lot
If you’ve seen Dancing with Wolves you’ve seen most of it. Apart from the Black Hills and the Badlands. That area is worth the trip. But the rest of the state is full of corn and blond-headed Norwegians. Really nice people tho…
by labbadabba on Feb 11, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You've never been to that park with the big dinosaurs!?!
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by devil_fingers on Feb 11, 2009 3:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope, just mammoths
and Indians. – that reminds me of a game we used to play…
by labbadabba on Feb 11, 2009 3:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Census revises KC population
< A HREF=“http://www.kansascity.com/340/story/1022268.html”>The Census says KC is actually bigger than we thought
Kansas City struck a little gold Friday when the Census Bureau boosted the city’s estimated population.
The revised figure is 475,830 as of 2007, thanks especially to growth in the Northland and downtown. The Census Bureau’s original estimate was just over 450,000 residents.
The adjustment boosts Kansas City up four spots, becoming America’s 35th largest city using 2007 data.
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by RoyalsRetro on Feb 11, 2009 3:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Take that!, Mesa, Arizona
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by NYRoyal on Feb 11, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The big part of that...
isn’t just the fact that they are more people moving into the KC city limits, it’s that much of that growth is in newer homes in the Northland and lofts downtown (some of which are coming off of tax abatements already). The city and school district could REALLY use that extra push in property taxes. Maybe it can finally start paying for all those infrastructure costs that it took to get people to move into those areas.
"Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it." -Hal McRae
by Sweep_the_Leg on Feb 11, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The KCMO
School district is a trainwreck…. Like two freight trains colliding headfirst at over 90 mph. Corruption, greed, failure, etc.
Like, they should have a reality show about it. That would be great. Maybe get the KC city council some cameos.
Alex Gordon in '08
by RoyalJHWKR on Feb 11, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah -
I remember in the 90’s when Jeff City pulled all the desegregation money that went to fund all the extra programs the whole thing just collapsed. Shortly after it was found insolvent and was unable to gain accreditation.
by labbadabba on Feb 11, 2009 4:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What a lot of people seem to fail to realize
Is that the KCMO School district only takes up a very small part of KCMO. Many more people live in KC and send their kids to Center, Liberty, Park Hill, etc.
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by RoyalsRetro on Feb 11, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That didn't used to be the case
when Central HS and Southwestern HS were rocking. Now they’re boarded up.
by labbadabba on Feb 11, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Eh
This isn’t technically growth. Its a more accurate count.
A former professor of mine was heavily involved in this “drilldown” study. The concept is that the census doesn’t count a lot of people – illegals who won’t answer the door, people who illegally have too many people living in one unit, homeless people, people that just don’t trust the government, etc. They use other metrics, water usage, income tax returns, etc. to get a better picture of population.
Somehow I doubt the Northland was having massively undercounted people for these reasons, but I could be wrong. I’m not sure why the Star characterized this as “growth” or thought the Northland had much to do with this.
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by RoyalsRetro on Feb 11, 2009 4:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How far north does one have to be considered in the metro area?
In Zook’s Spur’s metro area we have 32 inhabitants depending on whose boundaries you are using.
by grudz96 on Feb 11, 2009 3:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Getting back on topic
This post sorta makes my point in that franchises are not distributed intelligently by MLB. Evidently, Chicago could probably support 3 teams, not 2.
I’ve made this point before about addressing competitive balance by allowing owners more freedom to move their franchises where they see fit. In such a universe, New York area might end up with 5,6, or even 7 franchises, and competitive balance might have a chance to take care of itself without revenue sharing, salary caps, or any other free market restraints.
Just a thought…
Mr Glass, this is a pro sports team, not a retail store - run it like one!
by loyal2sdad on Feb 12, 2009 10:42 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hmmmm, unintelligent planning by MLB
hard to imagine, but if you say so…
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by devil_fingers on Feb 12, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
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by RoyalsRetro on Feb 12, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but then again
Mr. Glass is likely to be one of those very owners that feels Chicago or NYC might be a more profitable location for “his” team.
Feb 13!!
by kabrink on Feb 12, 2009 8:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The problem with comparison of percentages.
Is that it skews the smaller cities/counties/MSA’s growth over larger areas. For example: Jackson County, Missouri has grown 23% since 1950 while Cass County, Missouri has grown 400% in that same time-but that’s because Cass county was sparsely populated in the 1950s.
Likewise, if 2 people move into KC it requires Minneapolis to bring in 3 people just to keep up. If I were a marketer, I would be more interested to know that Minneapolis grew by 258,000 to KC’s 161,000.
Still, I’d rather be here in KC than Minnesota. Beautiful city, but subarctic weather isn’t for me.
by Cairo on Feb 13, 2009 5:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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