A modern day Brett Vs. Boggs?
You're probably all familiar with the nearly 20-year old debate over which 3rd baseman was the better player.
But what you might be familiar with is that its possible that we could quite possibly have the exact same situation brewing today, only this time the battle has switched from the hot corner to the gritter middle infield.
Two players every Royal fan is undoubtably familiar with is this years Royals player of the Year Mike Aviles, and this years ALMVP Dustin Pedroia. Alot of people felt that Pedroia's MVP case wasnt the best in the league, while a lot of people thought that Aviles had an equal case for Rookie of the year as eventual winner Evan Longoria.
But what a lot of people may not realize is that the two players might be much closer in terms of talent than they appear at first glance.
Take their lines this year:
Pedroia:
| .326 | .376 | .493 | .869 |
| .325 | .354 | .480 | .834 |
Thats pretty close, not close enough to really spark a debate, but close enough to warrant a second look.
The first thing you would probably notice is that both players have some decent platoon splits, Pedroias are a little wierd as he hits righties more often, but hits the ball harder against lefties. Aviles on the other hand just crushes lefties, making more contact, being more selective, and hitting it much harder.
The second (and possibly most controversial) thing is their home/road splits. Much like in the historical rivalry, the parks the players call home seem to have a significant impact on their hitting ability.
Aviles manages to hit just .311/.339/.420/.759 in 219 ABs at "The K" with only 10 doubles compared to .340/.370/.545/.915 in 200 AB with 17 doubles.
On the other side Pedroia, our reigning MVP hits .344/.393/.519/.912 in 320 ABs with a whoping 35 doubles under the shadow of the green monster, but fades to just .309/.359/.468/.827 in 333 ABs with a more pedestrian 20 doubles away from Fenway.
Lets also not forget the often overlooked area of defense. While advanced defensive metrics were not in place for the historical rivalry, we now benefit from being much better able to judge the quality of our two performers.
And this is where the situation gets VERY cloudy. While never really considered a great defensive shortstop, Aviles apparently didnt get the letter, posting a very solid 32.0 UZR/150 rating at shortstop this season. Dustin Pedroia however attempts to defy advanced rating by relying more on his grit and posted a 10.4 UZR/150 at 2B, improving over last years 4.0.
So what does this boil down to? To put it very simply Mike Aviles, in about 2/3 of the playing time of Dustin Pedroia(and playing 1/4 of that time at a position he is not proficient at) put up almost EXACTLY 2/3 of the WAR of the Reigning MVP (4.4 WAR to 6.6)
*Edit cause I suck at polls....
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Hopefully Aviles can keep Pedroia's high BABIP average
although Dustins is little more legit with his higher LD%
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.
Longoria had a rep as a defensive stud in the minors, which he fulfilled in the majors
the Rays actually considered moving him to short
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 12, 2009 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
Is this even a fair question
Lets have Aviles have one full season in the majors first..
This question should be atleast a little more interesting next year, assuming Aviles stays on course.
by Royal from Queens on Feb 12, 2009 10:08 PM EST reply actions
career big league PAs
Aviles: 437
Ped: 1366
I’d say Aviles needs to have another good season before we start talking about this
or two
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 12, 2009 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
I saw Boggs in the Denver airport last year.
Lets just say the years have not been kind to him or maybe it was the roids. With all his money you would think he could afford a toupee that didn’t look like horsehair and maby a facelift. He didn’t look a day over 60… and the gut wasn’t good either.
the dude drinks beer (allegedly) like noone else on earth...
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on Feb 13, 2009 1:51 AM EST up reply actions
I voted Aviles
First, out of loyalty. Secondly, bald athletes remind me of my future appearance, and I despise that. Especially Trent Dilfer. Pedroia gets extra loathing for being bald in college.
"Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue."
I think most people expect Aviles to regress from his 2008 line
…as the league starts to put together the book on him and whatnot. I doubt he’ll put up the same numbers as either Pedroia or Longoria, but he plays a more valuable defensive position than either of them. I think the jury is still out.
since you brought it up...
What DO defensive metrics say about Brett Vs. Boggs?
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There wasn't PBP data for their careers
but the available TotalZone stuff (incomplete, particularly for Boggs) since there aren’t RetroSheet stuff, at least inthe file I have) has them about the same on average, defensively. Looking more closely, in their respective primes, Brett was the far superior defender, with monster defensive seasons in 1977 and 1979 that dwarf any of Boggs’ best. I would imagine this would confirm the general opinion of their respective defensive abilties…
Yes, Mike Schmidt and Graig Nettles were awesome, too.
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 14, 2009 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
Interesting note
According to former Mets GM Joe McIlvane, the Royals were on the verge of acquiring Wade Boggs before the 1989 season in a four team blockbuster that would have sent Danny Tartabull to the Mets, Howard Johnson and Sid Fernandez to the Mariners, and Mark Langston to the Red Sox.
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