OT Banter Game: Over, Under and Just Right.
by James Quinn on Feb 16, 2009 4:43 PM EST
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Fun game to break up the monotony of discussing baseball when no baseball is being played:
1. Name something that is over rated.
2. Name something that is under rated.
3. Name something that is correctly rated.
Be bold. No one is right or wrong. People will disagree. We’ll talk and pass the time. I’ll go first...
Jack Nicholoson's career is over rated. I think the last time he was actually required to act in a way not almost entirely consistant with his own personality was in 1980 (The Shining). Of his early classics I think only Chinatown and One Flew Over the Cuckchoo's Nest have held up well.
Van Morrison is under rated. I know, Van Morrison is much loved. But until he is rated at least as high as The Doors and Bob Dylan he remains under rated.
Joe Posnanski is correctly rated. Everyone likes to read Joe’s columns. Everyone knows Joe pretty well knows what he is talking about. No one pretends Joe is a baseball genius, or that he deserves a Pulitzer Prize. Joe Po’s writing occasionally transcends the genre of sports writing, and the public recognizes he is good enough at his craft to get away with this.
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1. Name something that is over rated. Fireplaces
2. Name something that is under rated. Turkey
3. Name something that is correctly rated. MLB Network
I wanna know what love is, I want you to show me
by LeoBloom on Feb 16, 2009 6:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
OK, I pretty well strongly disagree with #1
I love fireplaces. I can’t imagine them being over rated.
Maybe because I haven’t had one in the last twenty years has led me to feel this way.
One of my favorite things. Renting a cabin in the woods when there is snow on the ground. Sitting by the fireplace. Reading. Drinking. Talking. Taking the dog for a walk. Heaven. Just heaven.
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by James Quinn on Feb 16, 2009 8:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They're really good when the power goes out in the winter, too.
by BrRoyal on Feb 16, 2009 10:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Do Not Depend
On one for heat.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Feb 16, 2009 11:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
1 Name something that is over rated. Star Wars
2 Name something that is under rated. Dave Grohl
3 Name something that is correctly rated. Pizza
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.
by kcscoliny on Feb 16, 2009 6:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
over-rated: Woody Allen
under-rated: the interstate highway system
correctly-rated: kcroyals.com
by Will McDonald on Feb 16, 2009 6:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Great #2
We just do not appreciate the interstate highway system enough. There is no way that America could build something that huge and expensive today. We all know I am right. Why?
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by James Quinn on Feb 16, 2009 8:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yes!
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 16, 2009 10:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
nearly perfect
never understood the fascination with woody allen.
the interstate highway system is amazing.
kcroyals.com… its ok i suppose
Alex Gordon in '08
by RoyalJHWKR on Feb 16, 2009 11:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
over-rated: the MILF/Cougar concept and jokes about it
under-rated: Luke Hochevar
correctly-rated: Gil Meche
I wanna know what love is, I want you to show me
by LeoBloom on Feb 16, 2009 6:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Over-rated : Hapless Royals blog
Under-rated : Baseball America Podcast
Correctly-rated : Kyle Farnsworth
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.
by kcscoliny on Feb 16, 2009 6:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
love the BA podcasts
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by doublestix on Feb 16, 2009 6:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Over-rated : Hapless Royals blog
you mean fat/gay/nerd jokes aren’t really really awesome?
The silliness, the absurd silliness of the site amazes me: on the one hand using numbers to talk about baseball is a sign of all kinds of bad things most centrally a pathetic personal life, yet on the other, a blog devoted to attacking other bloggers/message-board posters is fine.
by Will McDonald on Feb 16, 2009 7:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have no problem with the jokes
but he is deleting comments back at him which is hypocritical. If you are gonna be open to bashing people be ready for the comments back and don’t censor them.
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.
by kcscoliny on Feb 16, 2009 7:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Over Rated: 24
Under-Rated: Idaho
Correctly Rated: Rany
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by kcbottom9th on Feb 16, 2009 6:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
During my cross-country trips from Portland to KC...
Driving across Idaho was always what came closest to making me want to cry. In a bad way.
by DarthYoshi on Feb 16, 2009 7:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Over-rated: Coldplay
Under-rated: Drive By Truckers
Correctly-rated: Zack’s contract
by hunter s. royal on Feb 16, 2009 6:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Correctly-rated: Zack’s contract
Unless you are saying its the greatest two year extenstion of all time you are so negative that I want you dead
by Will McDonald on Feb 16, 2009 6:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no, it's a definite haha
The RR corporate HQ had to be moved to an undisclosed location as RR’s life was in danger as a result of saying otherwise.
by marbotty on Feb 17, 2009 5:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
zacks contract was in fact awesome IMO....
not because of the number of dollars we paid him, but just in the fact that we did pay him. I am in fact a fan of the dollar amount too. Just looking at AJ Burnett with his spotty performance record and spotty health record getting 16 million/yr scares me….zacks looking at 18 or so in this crappy market this year, so ill take 13.5 in a heartbeat.
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on Feb 17, 2009 6:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
love the truckers
Alex Gordon in '08
by RoyalJHWKR on Feb 16, 2009 11:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Very nice
Over: Radiohead & The Office
Under: Calexico, The Daily Howler, The Wire, 30 Rock , and Handjobs
Correctly Rated: David DeeJebus
by Nighthawk at the Diner on Feb 24, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jack Nicholoson’s career is over rated. I think the last time he was actually required to act in a way not almost entirely consistant with his own personality was in 1980
WHAT!? didn’t you see his performance as the Joker in Batman!?
Unless you’re trying to say in a sick twisted way, that is his personality?
by Royal from Queens on Feb 16, 2009 7:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The Joker was just Jack acting like Jack in a funny hat.
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by James Quinn on Feb 16, 2009 8:32 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Over: Bloomy
Under: Meche, Meche, and Meche, oh and throw on DDJ for good measure
Correct: Aviles
Desperately Seeking Soria (Subliminally encouraging Trey to "Think Leverage, you can do it, Leverage")
by kabrink on Feb 16, 2009 7:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
over rated: Lil Wayne (first thing that came to my head)
under rated: sleep
correctly rated: Entourage
by Royal from Queens on Feb 16, 2009 7:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
1. Name something that is over rated. I will avoid the obvious by saying Derek Jeter, and instead go with Joe Buck
2. Name something that is under rated. Zune
3. Name something that is correctly rated. Scarlett Johansson
by averagegatsby on Feb 16, 2009 7:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i was considering SJ for correctly as well
although, I don’t know what I really mean by that
by Will McDonald on Feb 16, 2009 7:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ironically
I was considering Entourage.
by averagegatsby on Feb 16, 2009 7:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ive been the biggest entourage fan...
since episode 1…got tons of my friends into it…ironically, im not really into it anymore…it has gone from incredibly underrated to incredibly overrated over the past 3 or so years….with that being said….
overrated: will ferrell
underrated: brotherhood (irish mob show on showtime)
correctly rated: dexter
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on Feb 16, 2009 11:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
overrated: Turtle
underrated: Johnny Drama
correctly rated: Adrian Grenier’s acting ability
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 16, 2009 11:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
awww....come on....
turtle is awesome as are drama and ari….great one liners keep me watching the show no matter how terrible the storylines get….E and Vince’s characters are just awful
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on Feb 16, 2009 11:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I just think Drama is way funnier, that's all
the show is “meh,” but you know, it’s not horrible. That’s just me, though. It’s not like a good Simpsons or King of the HIll, but on the other hand Family Guy or Two and a Half Men, which make me want to kill myself.
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 16, 2009 11:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
family guy is AWFUL...
i cant make it through an entire episode of 60 minutes without laughing and have no problem doing so with family guy…
its a southpark wannabe…the network had the right idea when they cancelled it the first time
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on Feb 16, 2009 11:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
creating family guy=dating elisa dushku...
just about the only thing about seth macfarlane that i respect
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on Feb 17, 2009 12:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
do i need to google this person?
by Will McDonald on Feb 17, 2009 12:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if you dont know who she is...
then yes…
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on Feb 17, 2009 12:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Simpsons and King of the Hill DEFINITELY OVERRATED
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.
by kcscoliny on Feb 17, 2009 10:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Anybody watch Eastbound and Down?
It’s on the DVR agenda for tonight.
I just got back from your mom's basement.
by Warden11 on Feb 17, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It was average
I’ll give it one more watch to see if it goes anywhere
by I need more Esteban on Feb 17, 2009 2:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it was my inspiration for will ferrell in the overrated category...
well, that and about 20 other things
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on Feb 17, 2009 5:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
overrated: the Office or backpacks with wheels
underrated: Pandora.com
correctly rated: nacho cheese
by royalsfan03 on Feb 16, 2009 7:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Pandora
Is simply amazing.
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by RoyalsRetro on Feb 17, 2009 2:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Over: texting
Under: eye glasses (they look sharp)
Correct: toothpaste
by BrRoyal on Feb 16, 2009 7:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
texting
is way overrated. way way way way overrated.
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by doublestix on Feb 16, 2009 7:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
texting is not over rated
When the sound of this persons voice makes you want to punt babies.
by Royal from Queens on Feb 16, 2009 8:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
On the contrary, texting cannot be rated highly enough. A communication medium in which I can both send any idea that occurs to me AND ignore someone’s overtures toward communication for several hours without offending them? Sign me up!
by happydrifter on Feb 16, 2009 7:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I just can’t appreciate it. All it is is another way to talk to people without actually communicating. And students do it in class. Boo!
by BrRoyal on Feb 16, 2009 7:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
overrated: The Office (wake me up for the funny parts)
underrated: Baltimore Orioles
correct: Bratwurst
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by doublestix on Feb 16, 2009 7:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
+1 bratwurst
very good, especially with kraut. Great baseball game treat, too.
by BrRoyal on Feb 16, 2009 7:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
uhhh....
if you waited until the funny parts of the office to wake up, i think you’d be considered dead…
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on Feb 16, 2009 11:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Over: Jessica Alba
Under: A Nightmare on Elm St.
Correct: Beer
by Chyladin on Feb 16, 2009 7:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
its a shame that that's the picture you post
by Will McDonald on Feb 16, 2009 7:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
anyone want to post the “correct” picture?
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by doublestix on Feb 16, 2009 7:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is there a scene pic you are looking for? Or the cover??
by Chyladin on Feb 16, 2009 7:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
personally
i was looking for a pic of Alba. :D
not sure if that’s what RR was going after also.
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by doublestix on Feb 16, 2009 7:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice choice? :P
Stathead, Zack Greinke fan, and Rock Band 2 singer extraordinaire.
by NHZ on Feb 16, 2009 8:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
overrated is not exactly what I was thinking
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by kabrink on Feb 16, 2009 8:09 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
We always did feel the same, We just saw it from a different point of view, Tangled up in blue.
-Bob Dylan
by Royal Kingdom on Feb 16, 2009 9:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
overrated: Sebadoh
underrated: The Fall
correctly: Pavement
by happydrifter on Feb 16, 2009 7:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
overrated: Grey’s Anatomy
underrated: Big Love on HBO, Arrested Development
correctly rated: 24
by kcinstl on Feb 16, 2009 7:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i love 24
love it. really love it. which reminds me i gotta DVR it.
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by doublestix on Feb 16, 2009 7:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
big love=awesome...
its amazing how much better TV shows are on hbo/showtime with such a smaller budget…hell, throw A&E in there too with mad men and breaking bad….big love, the wire, the sopranos, entourage, californication, weeds, brotherhood, rome, six feet under, etc…
if anyone is ever bored, just pick one and start downloading…its a great way to pass time when you’re bored
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on Feb 16, 2009 11:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I need to start watching that
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 17, 2009 12:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Same here.
However, just started the West Wing: Season 1. I have a feeling that along with 24, Lost, The Office, and FNL that my TV watching time is taken.
I just got back from your mom's basement.
by Warden11 on Feb 17, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Mad Men makes me want to slick back my hair, drink martinis at noon and start sexually harrassing women.
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by RoyalsRetro on Feb 17, 2009 2:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
They really do drink a lot in that show.
Mad Men really takes the romance out of the 1950’s high life.
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by James Quinn on Feb 17, 2009 4:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Great show....
some nice subtext, esp liked the episode with the big Rothko print, perhaps the hottest female cast in the history of television.
by Nighthawk at the Diner on Feb 24, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hanks
random trivia:
i’ve watched big love for the past two seasons and didn’t know until last week tom hanks was the executive producer.
by kcinstl on Feb 17, 2009 12:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i didnt know that until 4 seconds ago when you told me...
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on Feb 17, 2009 12:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
my wife is fairly into it
but i get stressed out just watching that show
by Will McDonald on Feb 17, 2009 12:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Six Feet under is my all time favorite show
and Big Love is great too.
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.
by kcscoliny on Feb 17, 2009 10:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just started watching The Wire
I’m hooked, are they still doing new episodes or what? (Don’t say anything that would spoil storylines, I’m still in season 1)
by I need more Esteban on Feb 17, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
correction
are they going to be doing new episodes?
by I need more Esteban on Feb 17, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
OverRated: Sheperd Fairey
UnderRated: the Discovery Channel
Correct: Bush’s Presidency
BOOM! ROASTED!
by GoBabies!! on Feb 16, 2009 7:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I don't know Bush might be overrated
came in at 36th among the 42 presidents. FDR is underrated at #3 IMO.
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.
by kcscoliny on Feb 16, 2009 8:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Presidents
Too soon to rate W. My Presidents:
Overrated: Kennedy – Bay of Pigs, Berlin Wall, and Cuba Missile Crisis all arouse because of his weakness in foreign policy
Underrated: Reagan – Economic policy mirrored Kennedy’s, got even greater results, but he is ranked 17 to Kennedy’s 6. Doesn’t compute with me.
Correct: Lincoln – ’nuff said.
by Chyladin on Feb 16, 2009 8:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree with Kennedy being overrated.
Reagan is tricky. Great politician, but he came into office with the national debt at 500 billion, and left with it at 1.7 trillion. More damaging, he showed other politicians you could ignore national debt & get away with it. Did lots of fantastic stuff, but the current massive debt is his legacy.
by hunter s. royal on Feb 16, 2009 8:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fantastic stuff...
like what? Ending the Cold War? That would have happened anyways because, among other things, Brezhnev was a terrible premier. National Missile Defense? What a pipe dream.
I am constantly amazed that people think so highly of Reagan. He gave us a massive national debt, Iran-Contra, and nearly gave us Robert Bork. No thanks.
by DarthYoshi on Feb 16, 2009 9:01 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Ended anyways?
I will agree that communism is a doomed theory, but Reagan deserves credit. Communism expanded into new countries during every single Presidents term from 1945-81. During Reagan’s presidency communism was confronted in other countries, capitalism won, and communism contracted. It was the Reagan administrations ability to exploit the weakness of communism (including it’s leadership) by putting pressure on the USSR and undermining Soviet influence in the satellite states of the Eastern bloc, with the help of the Pope, that ended the USSR.
by Chyladin on Feb 16, 2009 9:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Watch
“The Presidents” series that is on the History Channel currently. It is a fascinating look at all presidencies, and it, like most historical references, also agrees that Kennedy, Nixon, Ford, Carter & Bush I all played a role in the ending of the communist uprising, but none of them single handedly did it.
BOOM! ROASTED!
by GoBabies!! on Feb 16, 2009 9:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but it did give credit to Reagan for making a public statement a ta time when he wasn’t expected (Mr Gorbachev…Tear down this wall!)
BOOM! ROASTED!
by GoBabies!! on Feb 16, 2009 9:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Personally, I despised Reagan.
It doesn’t mean his happy-go-lucky schtick wasn’t effective in governing the country. He did take over in a depressed era and give it a pr boost. Was it mostly bs? Probably. Still, the country rolled along without ultimate destruction & that’s a positive. I did point out that his ultimate legacy is the current national debt.
by hunter s. royal on Feb 16, 2009 9:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Am I the only one
That thinks the economic growths that occurred during the Reagan & Clinton years (specifically) were due more to their time in office more than their time in office? By that I mean, if Carter/Mondale had beaten Reagan, and Bush/Dole had beaten Clinton, that the expansion of Wall Street in the 80’s & the coming of the internet in the 90’s would have grown the economy anyway?
That is why Reagan is overrated in my estimation. He started a bullshit ‘war on drugs’ that is still seeing wasteful spending, and the aforementioned debt. I feel Clinton’s intentions, of fair housing were more noble in nature, but they also helped lead us to our current situation.
BOOM! ROASTED!
by GoBabies!! on Feb 16, 2009 9:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, I do agree with you
I think that Presidents have more power to screw up an economy than to actually fix it. Reagan and Clinton get more credit than deserved on the economy, but at the same time they didn’t screw it up and should get credit for that.
On the flip-side, Carter and W. Bush screwed up the economy, each in their own way. That’s the fear I (and a lot of people much more qualified than me) have about all the spending that Obama is doing. It might cause more harm than good. Either way, the economy will eventually recover but it will be because of the people and business and not because of the government.
by Chyladin on Feb 16, 2009 11:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Inflation was already rampant during the Nixon years
Carter bore the brunt, and then the Reagan administration inherited the recovery,a s well as Volker (sp?), Carter’s guy, who implemented the anti-inflationary measures they had already planed on with Carter under Reagan.
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 16, 2009 11:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You Are Correct,
Sir, and I remember it well.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Feb 16, 2009 11:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yes, they did "plane" it
I think they planned it, too.
You do realize, phil,. that you and I are probably in a very small minority of people reading this who were even alive at the time, much less remember it (and honestly, I’ve read more about it than remembering it, even if J. C. [both of them] were big-time heroes in my house growing up).
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 17, 2009 12:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jimmy Carter may have been a bumbler, but:
He let Paul Volker run the fed without interference. It was painful, and probably cost him re-election but it let the economy take off and contributed to Reagan’s reputation.
by hunter s. royal on Feb 17, 2009 12:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and completely planned economies also fail
also problems:
labor theory of value (Marx himself saw this in Grundrisse’s “Fragment on Machines,”
The non-homogeneity of labor (also assumed by classical Marxist economics)
The problem of history (Asiatic Mode of Production — the reason Marx abandoned the ontogenetic reconstruction in the early drafts of Capital (the Grundrisse), and started over with a logical reconstruction of the system.
And, of course, the Soviet Union (and, as Cornelious Castoriadis noted, by 1921, the only “Soviet” in the Soviet Union was in the name), was based on a pathetic parody of Marx himself (if not completely divorced from the tradition) — the embarrassingly incomptent revision of Engel’s revision found in Lenin, which was then somehow made even worse by Stalin…
Oh, and the 10 of millions of dead people…
Hey, I’m not judging, the U.S. had McCarthyism!!!1111
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 16, 2009 10:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Reagan is rated 10th
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.
by kcscoliny on Feb 16, 2009 8:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Reagan Ranking
17 was his ranking in the Economic Management section. I agree with the national debt thing except he used deficit spending to challenge and eliminate the Soviet Union. Nice result and 1.7 trillion is manageable. He even fix social security by creating a surplus account to deposit what was a surplus in Social Security tax receipts to pay for the baby boomers once they retired. HW. Bush didn’t do anything to balance the budget after the fall of the Soviets. Clinton raided the surplus account to “balance” the budget and left my generation (27 years old) with the problem of paying for baby boomers. w. Bush expanded government spending more than anyone but FDR with huge increases in education spending, the prescription drug plan, etc. Reagan increased the deficit to 1.7 trillion over 8 years. It took a lot of neglect of 5 different Presidential terms over 20 years to grow it to were it is now.
by Chyladin on Feb 16, 2009 8:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Reagan's econ policy
did not really mirror Kennedy all that much. For one thing, JFK did not quadruple our national debt.
At 36th out of 43, GWB is totally overrated. I also agree that FDR at #3 is underrated.
by DarthYoshi on Feb 16, 2009 8:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
both Reagan and Kennedy
gave massive tax cuts to businesses and the wealthy.
by Chyladin on Feb 16, 2009 9:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and both obama and fdr
made ditch diggers a hot commodity with pointless projects.
At least when FDR did it, it was Americans ditch diggers.
/mini rant and sarcasm
At least Wally Joyner's not on the team....
by tcon125 on Feb 16, 2009 11:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Presidents
Underrated: James K. Polk, Calvin Coolidge, William McKinley, George HW Bush
Overrated: John F. Kennedy, Woodrow Wilson, John Adams, Ronald Reagan
Correctly rated: Martin Van Buren, James Buchanan, Andrew Jackson, Dwight Eisenhower
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by RoyalsRetro on Feb 17, 2009 2:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Martin Van Buren is correctly rated?
I’d argue he’s the most underrated. Arguablly the best president of all-time: he avoided the most wars.
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 17, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kinda bumbled
Was given tremendous momentum by Andrew Jackson and kinda fumbled it away. I think he could have been better but he was a better behind the scenes guy than he was President. Would made a great Chief of Staff. Not so good President.
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by RoyalsRetro on Feb 17, 2009 2:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But big +1s on both Reagan and Kennedy
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 17, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They are the myths
The both sides of the political spectrum cling to.
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by RoyalsRetro on Feb 17, 2009 2:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
every single GOP candidate said that RR was their favorite president during the campaign
they should manage baseball teams with that kind of intellectual diversity
I wanna know what love is, I want you to show me
by LeoBloom on Feb 17, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Overrated: Dane Cook
Underrated: Soccer (in the US—correctly rated elsewhere)
Correctly rated: In-N-Out Burger
by DarthYoshi on Feb 16, 2009 7:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Dane Cook blows
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by doublestix on Feb 16, 2009 7:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I just don't get his appeal at all
It’s basically the “have you ever noticed?” cliche, only without a following punchline (i.e., “Hey bro, how about makeup sex? That’s pretty awesome, huh?”… END OF ROUTINE)
by happydrifter on Feb 16, 2009 8:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have learned what it is about Dane Cook
He doesn’t have any jokes. He just takes observations we make and acts them out in a over the type kind of way. He’s not “funny” he’s just entertaining.
The same way your buddy would act out a crazy story.
by Royal from Queens on Feb 16, 2009 10:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it is called observational comedy
Its the jokes we all make at lunch every day. When you say "Did you see that lady? it was like she….blah blah insert analogy.
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who was the wizard who came up with that ad campaign?
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 16, 2009 11:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm a big fan of Dane Cook standup
acting, well I don’t even need to explain how awful that is.
But like a few have said, it is a lot of observational shit, but why does that matter? He conveys it in an over-the-top way and it’s really funny. And it is not alll observational, a lot of the stuff he says is way out there and it appeals to a lot of poeople. I mean, Jerry Seinfeld did it and it was ok. Dane Cook did it for a younger generation.
One of my favorite sets is when he talks about when there is an accident or something outside your house, everyone has to come outside and watch as the paramedics and police come and he puts a lot of funny shit into it. Did I realize that people did that? Well yes, I guess subconsciously I realized that but until he made the jokes about it, I didn’t really think about how weird that is as a society we do that. I guess all I’m saying is that just because it’s not your kind of humor doesn’t mean he’s not a great stand-up comedian. Horrrrible actor.
by I need more Esteban on Feb 17, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
1. Name something that is over rated. Fantasy Football
2. Name something that is under rated. Tortas
3. Name something that is correctly rated. stuffwhitepeoplelike.com
by wetleg on Feb 16, 2009 7:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
stuffwhitepeoplelike.com
is g.d. hilarious. especially after having lived in Portland, Oregon. all of it, so true.
by DarthYoshi on Feb 17, 2009 10:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yes
but it should be renamed "things Joe Posnanski likes
or “things Will MacDonald likes”
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 17, 2009 10:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
are there enough entries dedicated to 19th-century authors...
…for it to be renamed “things Will McDonald likes?”
by DarthYoshi on Feb 17, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
1. Dating.
2. Grape Soda
3. Taco Bell
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by NHZ on Feb 16, 2009 8:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
You might want to rethink those answers
it might lead to some assumptions that you don’t want people to make
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.
by kcscoliny on Feb 16, 2009 8:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If he’s claiming — as I assume he is — that dating is simply an overrated means of meeting people you intend to have any kind of romantic relationship with, I agree with him.
by happydrifter on Feb 16, 2009 8:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, yes.
I am suggesting that. It seems like if you’re friends with the ridiculously attractive young woman first, things tend to go better. But seriously, happydrifter’s on the mark.
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by NHZ on Feb 18, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It people seriously make assumptions
based on those three bullet points, then they’re the silly ones.
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by NHZ on Feb 18, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Grape Soda?
You need to defend that one.
Looking at your pick for over rated prompts the question: “So how was your Valentines Day?”
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by James Quinn on Feb 16, 2009 8:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I never hear people mention Grape Soda amonst their
favorite sugar water, yet I find it to be very good.
Valentine’s Day. I mean, does ANYONE have a good Valentine’s Day? I don’t mean to sound horribly negative, but I’ve never much cared for the holiday whether I’ve been in a relationship or single. On National Single’s Awareness Day I found myself kind of glad that the girl I was going out with last semester is in my rear view mirror…..so it was good? :P
Stathead, Zack Greinke fan, and Rock Band 2 singer extraordinaire.
by NHZ on Feb 18, 2009 2:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So it's not just me and my friend Nick.
Good to know.
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by NHZ on Feb 19, 2009 2:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I Just Had
A great one; go figure.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Feb 19, 2009 7:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I confess
I may overrate Taco Bell, but that’s because I never get to have it.
by BrRoyal on Feb 16, 2009 10:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If you have it fairly often,
there’s no chance of overrating it. :P
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media
OVER: Gammons
Under: Royals Retro
Correct: Rany/Poz
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by kabrink on Feb 16, 2009 8:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
Gammons was great in his time. Think of his work now kinda like what Montana did in a Chiefs jersey.
by averagegatsby on Feb 16, 2009 9:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am overrated
Don’t believe the hype.
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by RoyalsRetro on Feb 17, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is my favorite thread ever
Overrated: The Sopranos
Underrated: Chicago-style pizza
Correctly Rated: road trips to Memphis
by hippdoghipp on Feb 16, 2009 9:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
memphis
seemed pretty over-rated, and I had some understanding that it was gonna be pretty edgy going in
by Will McDonald on Feb 16, 2009 9:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sopranos?
Over-Rated? No.
Memphis may be slightly under-rated.
BOOM! ROASTED!
by GoBabies!! on Feb 16, 2009 9:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sort of agree about the Sopranos.
IMO, The Wire was a much better show.
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by Warden11 on Feb 16, 2009 11:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the wire is great...
but theres just something about mob stories that draw me in…moreso than heroin in the baltimore ghetto
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by billybeingbilly on Feb 16, 2009 11:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it's the sauce
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 16, 2009 11:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I like The Wire
so much better because I hadn’t already seen 10 movies about the heroin trade in Baltimore.
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by Warden11 on Feb 17, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well that is a reason and I understand
but the Sopranos is an amazingly written, acted, and overall made show. It is basically the examination of mob life dying because of new generations. There may be other mob shows, but there is no other mob show like the sopranos where we get to see a suburbanite who runs the New Jersey mafia.
by I need more Esteban on Feb 17, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I really enjoyed The Sopranos,
but tons of people act like it is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Great show, just not the greatest that a lot of people make it out to be.
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by Warden11 on Feb 17, 2009 5:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
there were 3 or 4 seasons that....
could possibly be the greatest tv ever on television and then 2 or 3 seasons that were just pretty good. i think that people who came in late, hearing about how awesome it was for years, tend to think it was overrated just due to inflated expectations. however, i think i have yet to hear someone say that they flast just didnt like the show
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on Feb 17, 2009 7:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
*say that they flat just didnt like the show
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on Feb 17, 2009 7:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
are you joking?
Chicago style pizza is soooo overrated. If you have multiple crappy chains spawning off a so so creation to begin with then it is overrated.
I could have agreed with Acual chicago chicago style pizza being correctly rated but will go no further.
At least Wally Joyner's not on the team....
by tcon125 on Feb 16, 2009 11:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent Thread...
Over—matching socks
Under—KC
Correct—Mizzou Basketball (as of today)
by stuckinstl12 on Feb 16, 2009 9:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Over: Rolling Stones
Under: Allman Brothers Band
Correct: The Who
We always did feel the same, We just saw it from a different point of view, Tangled up in blue.
-Bob Dylan
by Royal Kingdom on Feb 16, 2009 9:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It's True
over rated: sabermetrics
under rated: sabermetrics
correct: sabermetrics
All at the same time.
by Royal from Queens on Feb 16, 2009 10:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Sabermetrics
over rated by men who spend all day surfing the internet, in their mother’s basement, in their underpants.
under rated by 95% of all baseball managers.
correctly rated, well, by almost no one. Few people find a middle road here. The baseball world, split between geeks and cavemen.
www.rockchalktalk.com for pretty good KU baseball coverage
by James Quinn on Feb 16, 2009 10:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Great thread... I could go on and on
Overrated: 1960s rock
Underrated: 1970s jazz
Correctly rated: Miles Davis
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 16, 2009 10:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Under!!
Return to Forever, Mahavishnu Orchestra, Al, Paco, and John!!
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by kabrink on Feb 17, 2009 3:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
wow, another one
Spent way too much time in high school listening to Al Di Meola and Return to Forever, as well as Al, Paco, and John Live in San Fran…
Although the Scientology thing taints it. Romantic Warrior is a great album.
The Inner Mounting Flame is dated, but there is some great stuff on there, despite being inspired by yet another cult.
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 17, 2009 5:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Who is into Scientology?
I haven’t heard that before.
Coincidentally (or not I guess) I just saw Al a couple of weeks ago here in Seattle at The Jazz Alley with his World Symphonia Band. They were very good. Second time I’ve seen him, although the first time was in college oh so many years ago. I’ve also seen John once upon a time.
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by kabrink on Feb 17, 2009 8:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Chick
he’s played on their records, some of L.Ron’s compositions. All those Neville Potter poems are about Scientology stuff. All that Hymn to the Seventh Galaxy nonsense? Yup.
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 17, 2009 10:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to disagree on the 60's rock
I’m a kid born in the late 80’s and raised in the 90’s. 1960’s music just kicks so much ass.
If that music can connect with me, a city kid, it must be awesome.
In my generation I feel that music is under-rated!
by Royal from Queens on Feb 17, 2009 7:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't say it sucked
I just think it’s overrated
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 17, 2009 10:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Overrated: Home Runs
Underrated: Doubles
Correctly Rated: Jeff Francoeur (everyone knows he sucks)
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 16, 2009 11:00 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Did you bring any charts?
I just got back from your mom's basement.
by Warden11 on Feb 16, 2009 11:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hmmm....
well, it’s simple: according to “SLUG” (and thus, OPS), a HR is worth twice as much as a double. That’s just wrong. A HR’s “value” in terms of run expectancy is about 1.4 runs, and a double is about 0.8 runs.
As for Frenchy…. well, I know you’ve read JoPo’s post on the Arb hearing. If JoPo publicly says you suck, well, you’re pretty much screwed.
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 16, 2009 11:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
here is mine
Overrated: skill
Underrated: luck
Correctly rated: Topeka, Kansas
At least Wally Joyner's not on the team....
by tcon125 on Feb 16, 2009 11:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Overrated: Baseball Prospectus. Despite its rep with both adherents and opponents, it’s lost too much ground to be of much use to the sabermetrically informed (WARP is useless, VORP is broken, most everything it has [except for the still-awesome PECOTA and also {a bit oddly) its baserunning numbers] can be found somewhere else done better and/or free, and now there’s really only one real “analyst” on staff (Nate Silver, who isn’t around that much, I guess Clay Davenport kind of counts, but he’s more of a number cruncher…), and the rest of the people are good riers, but come close to being Buster Olney with the BP imprimatuer. I won’t name names.
Underrated: Beyond the Box Score. Doesn’t carry stats, but the analysis is plentiful and impressive, from number crunching, reviewing contracts, going over the season, pithc- f/x stuff… A group of people of a variety of ages who have too much time on their hands, but I love it. Not to rub it in, but BP probably has 1 piece a week as good as your average BtBS post.
Correctly rated: Fangraphs. It kicks ass, and everyone knows it. It’s the best baseball analysys site out there (THT might be underrated now). It destroys Baseball Prospectus in every fashion — the analysis and analysts are consistently better and plentiful, the stats are more helpful. Oh, and it’s free. Yes, BP has PECOTA, but Fangraphs hosts ZiPS, CHONE, and more. Frankly, if BP didn’t do fantasy, it wouldn’t be worth subscribing to with Fangraphs around. I’m still not sure it is.
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 16, 2009 11:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
BP has moved into the next phase
but i think part of the problem is that they’ve lost so many guys to the industry
by Will McDonald on Feb 17, 2009 12:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
then replace then
Sky, Dave Cameron, and others are doing it for basically nothing at this point.
Hell, they could fix most of the problems internally. I’m working on an article on VORP now. All they have to do is switch to EqR from MLV and use SImple Fielding Runs (if they still can with Fox working for the Pirates). That would fix a lot.
But what is the next phase? Basically, they’re just another “insider site” if you take away the stats. And most of the stats are broken and/or superceded. It’s just PECOTA now.
Not to beat it to death, but they’re like a once-great baseball team that didn’t bother having a farm system. Do we give them props for that?
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 17, 2009 12:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I did not know VORp was broken
by Will McDonald on Feb 17, 2009 12:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
undervalues walks by half
no shit. And people have been telling them this for years now.
There are other problems, but that’s the biggest one. My article compares VORPs numbers with some of Justin Inaz’s (who uses custom linear weights). VORP gets some guys wrong by 20 runs (although that’s not all the walks). Their way of estimating replacement level from yearly averages also presents problems, as does their non-adjustment for AL/NL levels of difficulty. I also find that relative to Justin (and probably FanGraphs, too), VORP seems to overvalue 1Bs.
Hmmm… undervalues walks, overvalues 1Bs and DHs… Maybe the “Bravest Way” guy was wrong: Dayton does know what VORP is.
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 17, 2009 12:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
WHOA TIME OUT!!
Everything I see on this website from d-f, NYR, and other stats adherents is always based heavily on WARP and VORP but now you’re telling me they’re broken? What gives?
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by kabrink on Feb 17, 2009 3:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
WAR is different -- those are different versions (specific to BP) of a similar general idea
it’s general “Wins Above Replacement.” My latest Driveline Article summarizes some of the problems with BP’s VORP. I’m getting ready to do a post here relating it to the Royals in particular.
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 17, 2009 5:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
overrated: Les Claypool
underrated: Larry LaLonde
correctly rated: Herb
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 16, 2009 11:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
+1
Though, despite his being overrated, Les is still a hell of a musician.
BOOM! ROASTED!
by GoBabies!! on Feb 17, 2009 5:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
totally agree
just think he’s overrated compared to the other two guys.
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 17, 2009 5:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
overrated: Red Hot Chli Peppers
underrated: Fishbone
correctly rated: Parliament/Funkadelic
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unintentional comedy
overrated: all reality tv
underrated: Dick Kaegel
correctly rated: Top Gun
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 16, 2009 11:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
WHOA buddy rhcp might be the best band of all time
Overrated: That Overrated chant at college games.
Underrated: Eating cereal from a cup.
Correctly rated: Hot Girl on Girl action.
by ZachMartin2 on Feb 16, 2009 11:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Chili Peppers: best band of all time::
Arli$$: best tv show of all time
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 16, 2009 11:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have lost all respect for you...
by ZachMartin2 on Feb 16, 2009 11:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
C'mon, it's all in fun
surely we can reconcile, after all
“Young blood is the lovin upriser/How come everybody wanna keep it like the kaiser”
Deep stuff
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 16, 2009 11:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You need to Check out their newer songs, before you start hatin. Readymade, She's only 18, Wet Sand..The album is Stadium Arcadium...Deep Stuff
by ZachMartin2 on Feb 16, 2009 11:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
some of their tunes are guilty pleasures, I'll admit that
but I just have a hard time telling the difference between Flea and an organ-grinder monkey
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 16, 2009 11:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude they have one of the best guitarist of all time in John Frusciante, look him up. Top 10 for sure, prolly top 5.
by ZachMartin2 on Feb 17, 2009 12:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Frusciante's decent
but only a rabid band fan or the idiots at Rolling Stone have him in the top anything. Then again, they have Kirk Hammett ahead of Frank Zappa, and since when should we give care about anything in Rolling Stone? People worry about Fox News — Fox News is a Bloomsbury Day Book compared to the piece of shit that is Rolling Stone.
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 17, 2009 12:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rabid Fan?
Nah buddy, it’s called actually listening to him play, I don’t give a shit who says he isn’t any good. I got an idea how about you actually listen to him play then you can say he sucks, until then shhhhhhhh.
by ZachMartin2 on Feb 17, 2009 1:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Devil Fingers = Lester Bangs!!!
Totally agree that RHCP is vastly overrated.
BOOM! ROASTED!
by GoBabies!! on Feb 17, 2009 5:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm amazed that we're able to agree without arguing about it
(I’m usually arguing with people I agree with — cf. you and me on election night…)
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 17, 2009 5:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
An amazing transition
By the Way – brilliant
Stadium Arcadium – tired
by BrRoyal on Feb 17, 2009 8:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed about the chili's
questionable about arli$$
by royalsfan03 on Feb 16, 2009 11:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no he's sayin if RHCP is the best then so is Arliss, it's sarcasm, he thinks it's funny. but really just shows that he is a turd
by ZachMartin2 on Feb 16, 2009 11:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
???
???
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 17, 2009 12:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
with regards to the hot girl on girl action
by Will McDonald on Feb 17, 2009 12:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
its still awesome in a comedy way...
if the girls are gross…nothing funnier than fat ugly girls trying really hard to get guys attention
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on Feb 17, 2009 12:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ah, yes, didn't know what it had to do with
John Frusciante’s virtuosity, which is totally doesn’t try to show off like when he plays the instrumental parts of “Inca Roads” in concert and tries to sing along but keeps screwing up. Awesome YouTube.
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 17, 2009 12:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ok, yeah, that sucked but that was 20 years ago when he was drugged out, look him up after he mellowed out
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funny how I actually listened to him play
notice I didn’t say he sucked, either, “buddy.” But he’s not close to the top 10. He’s a good player, yeah. And that might put him into the top 10 given that if most current guitarists can “play,” I can’t tell because most of their stuff is buried in three miles of Mesa Boogie preamp fuzz.
But just being “good” doesn’t make him one of the “greats,” no matter how many old Strats he owns and entertaining interviews he gives.
I have not problem with Frusciante. He’s by far the best musician in that band, from what I’ve heard. I just don’t dig their shtick.
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 17, 2009 1:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i was also being sarcastic
i guess it didnt work out as planned
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sarchasm (n.)
The gulf that exists between the person who is trying to be sarcastic and the person who doesn’t get it.
We always did feel the same, We just saw it from a different point of view, Tangled up in blue.
-Bob Dylan
by Royal Kingdom on Feb 17, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Amen
Hate the overrated chant, just makes you’re team look worse!
by I need more Esteban on Feb 17, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Overrated: Power & LIght District
Underrated: Law & Order — best series on television bar none
Correctly rated: Missouri Tigers basketball
by BroncoFaninKC on Feb 16, 2009 11:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
To say that L&O is underrated suggests
that there are people out there who think it sucks? I thought everyone correctly revered it. I know I do.
WTF, self?
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i hate power and light
everybody there thinks their shit doesnt stink
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Here goes:
Overrated: Deadspin
Underrated: Dr. Saturday
Correctly Rated: The Sporting Blog
I just got back from your mom's basement.
by Warden11 on Feb 16, 2009 11:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
dr saturday is awesome
I’m sad he left SBN but also happy for him
by Will McDonald on Feb 17, 2009 12:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Deadspin might be somewhat overrated, yes, BUT
Dashiell Bennett is awesome.
WTF, self?
by minda33 on Feb 18, 2009 1:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just haven't enjoyed it as much
since Leitch left. When he wrote, I knew what I was getting in every post.
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Overrated: The Office (Sorry, Will)
Underrated: Bubble tea
Correctly Rated: Sushi
The Nation at large. I'll be playing the role of RR Resident Optimist this offseason. What role will you assume?
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overrated: the twins
underrated: the movie Twins
correctly rated: the twins hefner is “dating”
by Will McDonald on Feb 17, 2009 12:10 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Can we make multiple lists?
Overrated: Jose Guillen (among the general fan-base)
Underrated: David DeJesus
Correctly rated: Gil Meche
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Can we make multiple lists?
No. What kind of narcissistic jerk would make multiple lists?
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 17, 2009 12:23 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
overrated: devil_fingers (well, maybe people know how full of shit I am)
underrated: jackie ballgame (has he/she ever had a bad post?)
correctly rated: Royals Review (RR rules, and everyone knows it)
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 17, 2009 12:32 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
couldn't do just one
Overrated: Bruce Springsteen, Pope John Paul II, Dane Iorg
Underrated: Neil Young, Pope Gregory I (the Great), Jorge Orta
Properly Rated: Bob Dylan, Pope Innocent III, Steve Balboni
by mikewormdog on Feb 17, 2009 12:59 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
????
Gregory the Great is underrated? He is called the “the Great.” Don’t get me wrong, I think he was immensely important not just for the Church but also for secular society. But there aren’t many saints named “the Great.”
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Wayne Gretzky is the only other one I can think of...
We always did feel the same, We just saw it from a different point of view, Tangled up in blue.
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Wayne Gretzky
is the most overated athlete in the history of sports.
The Allard Baird of incisive internet discourse.
by kcbottom9th on Feb 17, 2009 9:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Even though he's "the great"
he’s still underrated. Especially among German historians, since he didn’t really advance an idea of a papal monarchy. He wasn’t political enough in the minds of a lot of old-school Germans. They see Leo the Great, Gelasius, and Nicholas I as being more “important popes” of the early medieval period. Also, his name has “Great” in it, but most people don’t really know what he did (Gregorian chant wasn’t really his idea). His legacy was also tarnished for about 100 years or so after he died (because he was the first monk to become pope, most priests didn’t like him), so it took a long time for him to be seen as important. Also, he’s a big figure in my dissertation, so I had to give him some props.
by mikewormdog on Feb 17, 2009 12:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Authors
Overrated: Hemingway (still convinced I’m missing something)
Underrated: Tom Robbins
Correct: David Foster Wallace
by stuckinstl12 on Feb 17, 2009 1:05 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hemingway,
I think he might be over rated in terms of message. But I think it would be hard to over rate his writing. Hemmingway and Saul Bellow have added a lot to my life. Tom Robbins is a lot of fun. I think his weirdness pushes a lot of people away from his books. They see what the book is about and just cannot imagine they would enjoy reading it.
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by James Quinn on Feb 17, 2009 8:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Overrated: Triple H
Underrated: James Storm
Correctly Rated: Jack Swagger
(…hangs head in shame)
Banny being Banny.
by JobDDT on Feb 17, 2009 1:05 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Storm is still around?
Figured he be dead by now
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 17, 2009 1:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Follow up
Overrated: John Cena
Underated: Edge as a main eventer!
Correct: Jeff Hardy
by Royal from Queens on Feb 17, 2009 7:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh man, don't know any of these young guys but:
Overrated: Diamond Dallas Page
Underrated: Mr. Perfect
Correctly Rated: Randy Savage
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by Warden11 on Feb 17, 2009 9:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I can shoot old school too
Overrated: Ultimate Warrior
Underrated: Doink the Clown
Correct: Rowdy Roddy Pipper
by Royal from Queens on Feb 17, 2009 9:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was going to say UW,
but his craziness and “comeback” took a lot of the nostalgia from him.
Overrated: The Giant (not Andre)
Underrated: Arn Anderson
Correctly Rated: Ric Flair
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by Warden11 on Feb 17, 2009 10:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Only correctly rated
if that rating is “The Best of All-Time.”
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 17, 2009 10:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Ric Flair
WOOOOOO!
/obvious
WTF, self?
by minda33 on Feb 18, 2009 12:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course "The Best of All Time"
To be the man, you’ve got to beat the man.
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by Warden11 on Feb 18, 2009 5:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Diamond are forever...
Kiss-stealin’, Wheelin’Dealin, limosine ridin’, jet flyin…
What’s causing all this?
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 18, 2009 6:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
overrated: Gload will Explode
underrated: U never know
correctly rated: Costa Now!
by marbotty on Feb 17, 2009 8:51 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Over – Jerry Bruckheimer
Under – Charlie Kaufman
Correct – Micheal Bay
by BrRoyal on Feb 17, 2009 8:53 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Michael Bay
Correctly rated as in everyone knows hes terrible?
by I need more Esteban on Feb 17, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Undiluted Truth
Overrated- “Taken”; could have been good, utter dreck.
Underrated- The Zombies, Rod Argent
Just Right- Red Lobster
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by philofthenorth on Feb 17, 2009 10:45 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I liked Taken
I was wondering when I could see Liam Neeson kill a whole bunch of Albanians. It was better than Quantum of Solace…
by mikewormdog on Feb 17, 2009 12:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I Walked Out
After about 45 minutes of excruciatingly bad dialogue and unbelievably hackneyed plot. I don’t believe Besson really wrote that hot mess.
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by philofthenorth on Feb 17, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It Is What
It is, and that’s all that it is.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Feb 17, 2009 2:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Overrated – Jimmy Johns
Underated – Gyros
Just Right – Chinese Food
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.
by kcscoliny on Feb 17, 2009 11:11 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
agreed on the last two
but what are Jimmy Johns?
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 17, 2009 11:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sandwich shops...like Subway they are sprouting up like the plague around here.
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.
by kcscoliny on Feb 17, 2009 11:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
how can you even compare
subway to Jimmy Johns. The best thing about Jimmy Johns is that some are open till 4 in the morning.
by royalsfan03 on Feb 17, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have a wife and 2 kids now
so 4 am isn’t important to me anymore. In fact passed 10pm isn’t important to me anymore.
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.
by kcscoliny on Feb 17, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well when you are drunk at 3 AM and are tired of pizza
a sub sandwich with really crisp lettuce is pretty satisfying
by royalsfan03 on Feb 17, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I enjoyed the jimmy johns in Iowa
it was marginally cheaper and faster than subway, at least in my memories
by Will McDonald on Feb 17, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jimmy Johns is much better than Subway
Cheaper, faster, and not a corporate takeover trying to rule the world!
by I need more Esteban on Feb 17, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They both suck IMO ...I'll take Quiznos over them anyday
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.
by kcscoliny on Feb 17, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Quiznos is damn good
way too expensive, though, I’ve found.
by I need more Esteban on Feb 17, 2009 3:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Give me Planet Sub
Or give me death.
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by RoyalsRetro on Feb 17, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
mmmm
yellow sub in Lawrence, agreed….
I think I just realized that I’m hard to displease when it comes to food.
by I need more Esteban on Feb 17, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
planet sub is gross....
quiznos is awesome, subway is good and jimmy johns is ONLY tolerable b/c i only eat it at like 4 am
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on Feb 17, 2009 5:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jimmy Johns
Is my ALL TIME FAVORITE SUB. Are you kidding me? Mmmmmmm, the Italian w/ the Hot Peppers. YUM!
On the SUBject (Wa-Wa), I tried this new place(well, new to KC anyway) called Firehouse Subs. THEY ARE FANTASTIC as well. Up North, off or I-29 & 152
BOOM! ROASTED!
by GoBabies!! on Feb 17, 2009 5:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You are dead to me!
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by RoyalsRetro on Feb 17, 2009 6:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
man, we have many tastes in common
also love Quizno’s. I’ve been up here so long, I thought it was a Canadian chain. The whole “sub” thing fools me into not realizing how expensive it is…
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 17, 2009 5:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gyros
Good one there. One thing I love about Europe, the ability to buy a damn good kabob sandwhich for three or four euros without ever having to walk more than a few blocks.
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by James Quinn on Feb 17, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Haven't had time to scroll through it all
Overrated – Gates BBQ, Judd Apatow, college football, the Red Sox
Underrated – Franz Ferdinand (the band, not the dictator), Minka Kelly, eggs bendict, Shane Victorino
Correctly rated – Brookside, Bruce Springsteen, tacos, Mike Aviles
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by RoyalsRetro on Feb 17, 2009 12:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
+1 on Minka Kelly
Although, I read Extra Mustard on SI every day, and there she is overrated.
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by lobes on Feb 17, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I also am not high on Apatow
but then again, I have never watched his stuff, as i’m so turned off before hand to do so
by Will McDonald on Feb 17, 2009 5:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Over – Joe Montana the Chief, Bo Jackson, Gates, 24, Last of the Mohicans, The Eagles, The new Kings of Leon Album, fish tacos.
Under – Steve Bono the Chief, Danny Tartabull, OK Joe’s, The U.S. of Tara/It’s always Sunny in Philadelphia, Reign of Fire, T. Rex, The last Kings of Leon Album, cheesesteaks.
Correct – Elvis Grbac the Chief, Kevin Appier, Aurther Bryant’s, House MD, Trainspotting, The Kinks, The first Kings of Leon Album, gyros.
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Feb 17, 2009 12:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I am also
A Sunny in Philadelphia fan. I can’t believe how much it gets panned though. It is quite a funny show. I don’t get the hate towards it.
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by RoyalsRetro on Feb 17, 2009 12:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No matter the love it gets,
Arthur Bryant’s will always be underrated.
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by Warden11 on Feb 17, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why didn't you like the new Kings album?
I didn’t think it was their best but still good
by I need more Esteban on Feb 17, 2009 3:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think people just took their time coming around
I like all of them, The new album’s getting praise because they’re getting noticed more, but the previous albums were better.
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by lobes on Feb 17, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
definitely agree
about now just getting noticed and that does get annoying sometimes.
I put “Because of the times” first on my list, but I would say it’s a toss up between “Aha Shake Heartbreak” and their newest “Only by Night”, for me it just depends on the mood I’m in.
by I need more Esteban on Feb 17, 2009 3:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The live tour after Youth and Young Manhood was their peak in our opinion
Live versions of California Waiting, Wicker Chair and Joe’s Head were all the best I’d ever hear/heard out of them.
Aha Shake Heartbreak was a great album, but the tour was kinda lame, too concern about designer tank tops and fingernail painting we figure.
Because of the Times was underrated, maybe it was cool to see in the UK, no one seemed to give a shit here.
Only by Night is okay, not bad, but definitely is over ‘produced’/marketed, the springsteen-type ripoff thing is cool, but “sex on fire” could be the most lame ass, bullshit song title ever.
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Feb 17, 2009 5:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I've still yet to see them live
Since I only got into them at Aha Shake Heartbreak. They were in KC a few weeks ago and I tried hard as hell to get a ticket but all these assholes on stubhub and the like try to sell the tickets for $120 and everything. Pisses me off like no other. Anyways, someday I have to see them.
by I need more Esteban on Feb 18, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Tuesday's list
Over rated – Prince. For decades I have been hearing about how Prince is a musical genius. Where are all those secretly great Prince songs that show his genius? Prince is unique, and not bad at all, but that won’t get you to "genius."
Under rated – Champaign. Every single person in the world loves Champaign. That is not in dispute. What makes Champaign under rated is that we think we can only drink it once or twice a year. A good bottle of Champaign can easily be found for under fifteen dollars. We should stop the insanity. Life is too short.
Properly rated – Boston. Not as good as New York. Much better than Atlanta. Not as cool as Toronto but much closer. More interesting and less nasty than Chicago. Kicks the crap out of Dallas. These things are generally accepted for the truisms they are.
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by James Quinn on Feb 17, 2009 12:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Boston...
other than beans and the North church what does it have? Okay, maybe the Celtics get two stars.
by grudz96 on Feb 17, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like the historic old neighboorhoods.
Boston has a walkable downtown. It has a personality. It is not part of the geography of nowhere. And it is big, with a lot of culture, and a long tradition of good sports fans.
I don’t really care about the Celtics. In my world the NBA doesn’t really exist.
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by James Quinn on Feb 17, 2009 1:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Champaign is trouble in a bottle.
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by Warden11 on Feb 17, 2009 1:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have never really been thrilled by champagne
by grudz96 on Feb 17, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
me neither,
but I’ve woken up trying to figure out what happened after drinking it.
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by Warden11 on Feb 17, 2009 1:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hate it
o/c, I also don’t really enjoy beer, so there you go
by Will McDonald on Feb 17, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Will, give Grudz a call.
The two of you can split a couple of nice bottles of Champagn.
After a few sips you can look at Grudz and say, “This is great. James was right. We should know not to question his judgement by now.” Grudz can then say, “Yes, James is always right. And this is Champagn is very good to drink.”
After you finish both bottles the two of you can log on to Royals Review and tell us what you really think of everyone else.
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by James Quinn on Feb 17, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You Must Really
Hate Miller, “The Champagne Of Bottled Beer”.
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by philofthenorth on Feb 17, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Grudz, that simply is not possible
Everyone loves Champagne. There is no other possiblity. Maybe you were drinking shasta and thought it was Champagn. That might be what happened.
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by James Quinn on Feb 17, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't like Shasta either... it tastes to much like Champagne...
I will stick with Boule’s and or scotch.
by grudz96 on Feb 18, 2009 11:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bourbon has brought me more trouble than Champaign.
Ironically, I feel a bit more sophisticated when I drink both Bourbon and Champaign, but for completely different reasons.
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by James Quinn on Feb 17, 2009 1:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bourbona Champange, IL
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by kabrink on Feb 18, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1 on Prince
I swear I know a lot of people who say that just to say it
by I need more Esteban on Feb 17, 2009 3:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Having lived in the Greater Toronto Area for more than 6 years… well, it’s nice, but it’s not Boston. I’m not even that big of a Boston fan. Toronto has enough culture and “diversity” to make its residents feel cool, but compared to a Chicago or Boston, it doesn’t, and certainlly isn’ t anywhere close to the same league as New York, Paris, London, Berlin, etc. There’s more good art/music in one week in New York City than there is in a year in Toronto. Maybe a slightly exaggeration. Frankly, Montreal, Vancouver, and maybe also Ottawa are all superior Canadian cities.
Toronto is high on one list though: things white people like (although that goes for most of Canada).
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 18, 2009 11:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't been to Toronto in about 15 years,
but I loved it when I was there. I’ll defer to you here. I only knew it as a visitor.
My three favorite mid-sized North American cities that I either lived in or spent a good amount of time visiting are Portland, Quebec City & Louisville. I’d be happy to settle down in any of these cities. Unfortunately my wife would veto Quebec (“It’s too cold!”) and Louisville (“It too southern!”). I liked Nashville a lot also, but I was only there for two days. Cleveland and Columbus were both nicer than I expected them to be.
Paris is clearly the best city in the world. No need to debate the point. If I had the money and opportunity I’d pack my bags today. Lyon and Strasbourg would punch my ticket also.
The only place I have lived that I absolutely hated was Lexington, KY.
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by James Quinn on Feb 18, 2009 11:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cleveland has its charms
but I’ve ever enjoyed Columbus
by Will McDonald on Feb 18, 2009 1:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh ya...
Over…American made cars, Both Bush presidents, yellow snow, American Idol, Sarah Palin, Red Sox and Yankees. Barney….
Under… RRKL, Scotch, homemade Chicken and Noodle soup, grandkids, Autobahn, lake cabins…anyone over 50
Correct… Hillfire’s facial hair, Barry Zito, oreo cookies, anytype of cookies, beer, Abraham Lincoln, and the latest stimulus bill.
by grudz96 on Feb 17, 2009 12:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I am a liberal Democrat
But I think HW Bush is one of the most underrated Presidents of the modern era.
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by RoyalsRetro on Feb 17, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The only good thing he did was to marry my distant cousin Barbara Pierce.
“read my lips, no new taxes” That line got him beat by Wee Willy Wacker Clinton.
by grudz96 on Feb 17, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think his sperm give him a bad name
But he was given the mess of Reaganomics and the economy sputtered out. Better than his son, Johnson, and Nixon.
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by lobes on Feb 17, 2009 3:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
happened to my Dad, too
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 17, 2009 6:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Casino ROyale
over-rated
way too much poker
by Will McDonald on Feb 17, 2009 1:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I think the Bond series as a whole is pretty overrated. I find them highly boring.
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by RoyalsRetro on Feb 17, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes very overrated
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.
by kcscoliny on Feb 17, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
The Nation at large. I'll be playing the role of RR Resident Optimist this offseason. What role will you assume?
by Royals Nation on Feb 17, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bond related
Overrated: Killing Bond in Elaborate Ways
Underrated: Killing people with hats
Correctly Rated: Fighting ability/intelligence of henchman
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by lobes on Feb 17, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Depends
NO everyone will agree, but I like the Connery/Moore period, partly for the camp value, but still good. The Remington Steele Bond basically neutered the series. If you can’t have Moneypenny having a crush on him, or have him be a chauvinist pig, if those things are just ‘unacceptable’ now, then just let it die.
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 17, 2009 6:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ok
overrated: Caddyshack, ESPN
underrated: Jack Zduriencek (Mariners GM, he is THE awesomest)
correctly rated: Kauffman Stadium
by gilmeche55 on Feb 17, 2009 3:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Good call on Kauffman
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by RoyalsRetro on Feb 17, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
alright a couple
Food
overrated: Subway (People think it’s so healthy, it’s not that healthy unless you get a half and put no dressing on it).
underrated: Sushi
correct: Steak
TV
overrated: Everybody loves Raymond
underrated: 30 Rock
correct: Seinfeld
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correct: Steak
Keith Law disagrees
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by RoyalsRetro on Feb 17, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Everybody Loves Raymond
is pretty funny.
I’m not sure how 30 Rock could still be considered underrated. Maybe it’s just the people I’m around, but I can’t stop hearing about that show and how stupid I must be because I’m not a fan of the show.
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by Warden11 on Feb 17, 2009 5:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A few
Actress’/Famous Woman Hotness
Overrated: Kim Kardashian
Underrated: Natalie Portman
Correctly Rated: Emmanuelle Chrique (sp?)
Baseball fans:
Over:Cardinals
Under:Royals
Correct:Cubs
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by lobes on Feb 17, 2009 3:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I just lost all respect for you
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.
by kcscoliny on Feb 17, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Tend to agree
She’s alright, but her performance in Phantom Menace really blew it for me. What terrible acting.
And yes, Emmanuelle Chrique is in fact, smokin’.
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by RoyalsRetro on Feb 17, 2009 3:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
George Lucus would make anyone seem wooden
…especially fanboys. (rimshot)
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by lobes on Feb 17, 2009 3:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
we've been over this, but I totally agree
like I said, she shouldn’t have worked for years after the “prequel” disaster. At least Hayden “I’m Awful” Christensen was trying, in his own, Greneir-esque way.
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 17, 2009 6:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Portman
makes me….well, hubba hubba hubba is all I can say.
I’m making no comment on her acting, I’m just looking at her.
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by kabrink on Feb 17, 2009 8:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
do you go portman or the chick from heroes, straight up?
by Will McDonald on Feb 17, 2009 9:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
never seen it
no clue
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by kabrink on Feb 17, 2009 9:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but, seriously, what more?
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by kabrink on Feb 17, 2009 10:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ooh, love those shoes!
/girl
WTF, self?
by minda33 on Feb 17, 2009 10:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Two things:
1. That’s what she said,
and
2. They are red, and they are heels, and they look well-made. That’s all I need. And sometimes not even the last part. I love me some heels!
WTF, self?
by minda33 on Feb 18, 2009 1:34 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'll tell ya what
You can have the shoes, I’ll take everything else.
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by kabrink on Feb 18, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was just wondering if you like these shoes as well?
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by kabrink on Feb 18, 2009 9:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Or these ones?
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by kabrink on Feb 18, 2009 9:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
For reference purposes only:
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by Warden11 on Feb 17, 2009 10:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I love Heroes
But I don’t get the fuss over Hayden.
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by RoyalsRetro on Feb 18, 2009 10:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
shes one of those girls who...
looked like she was gonna end up being smoking hot (not unlike mary kate and ashley), yet to this point is only very attractive, which hurts my (and others) perceptions of her
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on Feb 19, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Emmanuelle Chrique is smokin'
by I need more Esteban on Feb 17, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
staright outta montreal apparently
I had no idea who this person was
by Will McDonald on Feb 17, 2009 5:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
To each his own
I have a weird thing with smart women. I should have labeled that differently.
"Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue."
by lobes on Feb 17, 2009 3:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Overrated : Underrated
Underrated : Correctly rated
Correctly rated : Overrated
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.
by kcscoliny on Feb 17, 2009 3:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Music
Overrated: Bruce Springstein, Rolling Stones, Metallica, Van Halen, Lil Wayne, Chris Brown
Underrated: Interpol, Modest Mouse, Sparta, Queens of the Stone Age
Correct: Led Zeppelin, 2pac, 311 (maybe underrated?), Death Cab
by I need more Esteban on Feb 17, 2009 3:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Among general Royals fanbase
Current Royals on the 40-man roster.
Over – Ross Gload, Mike Jacobs, Willie Bloomquist, Kyle Farnsworth, Joakim Soria (I like him, but the glorification of the 1-inning role is almost exactly that), Horacio Ramirez, Miguel Olivo, Tony Pena (by a bit), Coco Crisp, Mark Teahen (by a HUUUUGE margin)
Under – Kila Ka’ahue, Alberto Callaspo (slightly), Mike Aviles (based on last year), Esteban German, David DeJesus, Kyle Davies, John Bale, Ron Mahay, Henry Barrera (most people don’t know who he is….that qualifies as completely underrated), Jimmy Gobble, Devon Lowery, Julio Pimentel, Robinson Tejeda, Doug Waechter, Brayan Pena, Mario Lisson (again, most don’t know), Mitch Maier
Correct – John Buck, Alex Gordon (could shift to over or under very soon – underrated based on last season alone), Ryan Shealy, Gil Meche, Brian Bannister, Neal Musser, Joel Peralta, Shane Costa, Billy Butler, Luke Hochevar, Zack Greinke
….Most players begin the season underrated, I think, because of the relatively high # of Rule 5 protections, Minor League guys, and low-key acquisitions (like Waechter) with some upside.
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by Royals Nation on Feb 17, 2009 3:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Would strongly disagree about
Gload and Pena….How could anyone think Pena is good?
by I need more Esteban on Feb 17, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Some fans haven’t completely comprehended how truly awful his 2008 was, even in those 200-something PA’s. Some people still think he deserves to be a backup MIF, and if he could revert to his (paltry) 2007 form, all would be fine and dandy. His Minor League numbers are awful. He’s a good defender, yes, but there’s no offensive upside there. Only embarrassment. 2007 was a statistical outlier based on luck and the fact that he “beat the book.” It’s an anomaly that won’t happen again. Batting average isn’t everything, as well.
As for Gload….another message board-ite told me that, at a game, he overheard someone refer to him as the next George Brett. Some fans still value his grit-tasticness and think that the empty .300 batting average is an asset.
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by Royals Nation on Feb 17, 2009 4:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He's still on the roster isn't he?
One person thinks he’s a useful player and that makes him overrated.
"Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue."
by lobes on Feb 17, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
rated
overrated:birthdays, being single, facebook/myspace, romantic notion of being at a baseball game that baseball writers love to write about, ranch dressing, golden retriever, hawaii
underrated:good pillows, futurama, pitas, minor league baseball, honey mustard dressing, pug, trader joe’s
correctly rated:bottled water, beer pong, showering, hangovers, ketchup, coffee, youtube, hockey
by wildthang on Feb 17, 2009 5:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Being single
is definitely not overrated.
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by Warden11 on Feb 17, 2009 5:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh Trader Joe's
Why will you not come to Kansas City? I want to give you my money!
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by RoyalsRetro on Feb 17, 2009 5:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
its the most wonderful place on earth
there are so many things that are just awesome there. so glad westwood just got one in december.
by wildthang on Feb 17, 2009 6:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My apologies for not posting a picture
"Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue."
by lobes on Feb 17, 2009 5:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Overrated:
Shirts.
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by RoyalsRetro on Feb 17, 2009 5:59 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
overrated
women without behinds
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 17, 2009 6:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sometimes sacrifices must be made
"Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue."
by lobes on Feb 17, 2009 6:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Desperately Seeking Soria (Subliminally encouraging Trey to "Think Leverage, you can do it, Leverage")
by kabrink on Feb 17, 2009 8:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well helLO
Ms. Making Me Question My Sexuality. How are you this evening?
WTF, self?
by minda33 on Feb 17, 2009 9:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yes, she is THAT hot
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on Feb 18, 2009 12:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1 x 10^69
Desperately Seeking Soria (Subliminally encouraging Trey to "Think Leverage, you can do it, Leverage")
by kabrink on Feb 18, 2009 3:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
….That is all.
The Nation at large. I'll be playing the role of RR Resident Optimist this offseason. What role will you assume?
by Royals Nation on Feb 18, 2009 1:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
wait, Emmanuelle (I guess she was born to be in soft porn)
is making you question your sexuality?
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 18, 2009 9:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that'd be a new one....
I’m fairly certain that she’s never turned anyone gay before…
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on Feb 19, 2009 3:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Reminds me of a Scrubs opening
(Heather Locklear walks by)
Turk: Damn!
JD: Damn!
Carla: Damn! What? She’s hot.
JD: No, that’s hot.
"Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue."
by lobes on Feb 18, 2009 1:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Music:
Overrated: Mellencamp
Underrated: Todd Snider
Correctly Rated: John Mayer
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by Warden11 on Feb 17, 2009 5:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
pre-insane Mayer or current Mayer
by Will McDonald on Feb 17, 2009 9:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Early Mayer.
Haven’t listened to his stuff the last two-ish years. Has he lost it?
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by Warden11 on Feb 17, 2009 9:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Aaron Gleeman, is that you?
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 17, 2009 10:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Over rated: T-Mobile Sidekicks
Under rated: a nice fashionable tie
Correct: George Carlin
by Royal from Queens on Feb 17, 2009 7:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
mmm
1. Name something that is over rated. Bob Dylan
2. Name something that is under rated. Mazda cars
3. Name something that is correctly rated. President Obama
by playingwithfire on Feb 17, 2009 8:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I have to say Obama is overrated.
Only because of change!!!11
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by Warden11 on Feb 17, 2009 9:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
under-rated
the new pet shop boys single
by Will McDonald on Feb 17, 2009 9:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Over: Friends
Under: News Radio
Correct: Seinfeld
We always did feel the same, We just saw it from a different point of view, Tangled up in blue.
-Bob Dylan
by Royal Kingdom on Feb 18, 2009 8:26 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
News Radio
Is probably THE most underrated sitcom of All-Time. My college years were spent watching endless reruns of that show. Brilliant, brilliant stuff.
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by RoyalsRetro on Feb 18, 2009 10:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
its weird that you never see reruns of it
at least I don’t
by Will McDonald on Feb 18, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's weird
They used to be on all the time. It actually only made it to 97 episodes, I believe, so that might be a reason for the odd syndication history.
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 18, 2009 2:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It was rerun on 29 in KC
At least that’s where I first watched it, I don’t remember if it was over yet, but it was definitely the 90s. It wasn’t the same without Phil, but it did have Putty in season 5. Currently, it is the only show I have on DVD, but that’s mainly because all episodes of Arrested Development and Firefly are on Hulu. Scrubs and Seinfeld run four or five episodes a day on numerous channels.
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by lobes on Feb 19, 2009 1:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that's where I started watching it
in my pre-cable days, i think it was on a 10…and the real news is so depressing.
We always did feel the same, We just saw it from a different point of view, Tangled up in blue.
-Bob Dylan
by Royal Kingdom on Feb 19, 2009 8:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
30 Rock is like NewsRadio in a lot of ways...
but less constrained since it isn’t a stationary camera show. Also a lot like Mary Tyler Moore in that it leaves the workplace to go to Liz’s apartment quite a bit (especially this season).
Jack Donaghy is Jimmy James, Kenneth is Matthew, Tracy and Jenna are sort of like Bill McNeill, Liz Lemon is Dave with a little Lisa…
by mikewormdog on Feb 18, 2009 5:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
Great analogy.
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by RoyalsRetro on Feb 19, 2009 11:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yes it is
although I’d actually compare Baldwin to Phil Hartman — not so much for the character itself, but that Baldwin has reinvented himself as a Hartman-type by taking taking deliberate smarmy overacting to a a hilarious level.
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 19, 2009 11:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd say 30 Rock is less sitcomy than NR was
and better written…
also, the Foley guy (dude from Kids in the Hall) wasn’t really that funny as a straight man
by Will McDonald on Feb 19, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
different era
30 Rock is easy to get behind, but I figured you of all people would go against he pop choice
the cast of NR was way underrated realtive to 30 Rock. I like Tina Fey alright, but she is one of the most overrated actresses/writers of our period. I like 30 Rock because it rachets down her pretentions, though.
Foley was a talented guy, and right for the cast with too many other “overractors,” Jimmy, Bill, and Matthew (remember when Andy Dick didn’t make you renounce God on sight?)
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 19, 2009 2:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if you are really craving some news radio
Hulu has all four seasons with limited commercials for your viewing pleasure
by royalsfan03 on Feb 18, 2009 2:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
GAMING
Overrated: Dreamcast
Underrated: N64
Correctly Rated: Playstation (One)
Banny being Banny.
by JobDDT on Feb 18, 2009 2:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Me and my friends still play NBA Hangtime, Mariokart and 007
by I need more Esteban on Feb 18, 2009 3:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
007
took a lot of my time in college. First for the 64 and then Goldeneye on PS2. Me and a roommate would play the 1 on 1 deathmatch on the PS 2 and it would take like an hour to get 10 kills.
Underrated: Call of Duty Multiplayer online (no matter how awesome it is, it’s still underrated)
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by Warden11 on Feb 18, 2009 6:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i know some people don't like family guy
but when they riffed on the opening sequence of 007… loved it
by Will McDonald on Feb 18, 2009 9:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Family guy is like playing darts blindfolded,
most of the time it misses badly, but every once in a while…bullseye. I used to watch it in anticipation, but now, it ain’t worth the time.
We always did feel the same, We just saw it from a different point of view, Tangled up in blue.
-Bob Dylan
by Royal Kingdom on Feb 19, 2009 9:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
MarioKart on 64 has to be
one of the top 5 video games of all time.
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by Warden11 on Feb 18, 2009 6:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Who overrated Dreamcast?
"Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue."
by lobes on Feb 19, 2009 1:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you got your underrated and overrated mixed up
Kansas City Royals: your 2006 and 2007 NL Central champions!
by mazoboom on Feb 19, 2009 1:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
overrated (clap-clap-clapclapclap): sports analysts
underrated: royalsreview.com
correctly rated: Johann Sebastian Bach
Kansas City Royals: your 2006 and 2007 NL Central champions!
by mazoboom on Feb 19, 2009 1:57 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
+1
road good nonsense. good times
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 19, 2009 2:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"food"
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