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Murray Chass Was Right, or, How VORP Got the 2008 Royals Wrong, with an Open Letter to Rany

Original_image_mediumI'll admit it: the title (the first half, anyway) is meant as an attention grabber. But there is a fundamental truth contained therein: VORP, Baseball Prospectus' most well-known stat for valuing players, contains some serious flaws. I won't go over all of them here. If you want the general theoretical and practical background (including the well-established problems with VORP), check out my latest post at Driveline Mechanics, JustVORP versus Just VORP. There, I review the problems with VORP that are become evident when compared with a version derived from Justin Inaz's Total Value spreadsheet. There, you can find the reasons why something like Justin's spreadsheet (and Fangraphs' WAR follows many of the same principles) is a better gauge of the value of position players than VORP (which also has issues with pitching, but that's another can of worms). Here, I simply want to show how VORP misvalues several of the Royals position players, and not in a an innocuous way.

Yes, it must be admitted that on one (very superficial) level, know-nothings like Murray Chass and Jon Heyman are right: VORP is problematic. But rather than being discarded, it needs to be (and has been) superceded.

Star-divide

You really should read my post at Driveline, where I give all the details. To quickly summarize the relative problems of VORP as opposed to the version Sky Kalkman put together from Justin's stats called "JustVORP":

  1. VORP doesn't use the correct positional adjustments, leading to absurd results such as first baseman and DHs being  overvalued relative to other positions, catchers being undervalued, and more.
  2.  VORP doesn't adjust for league difficulty, so NL hitters are overrated, and AL hitters are underrated.
  3. The best established (and least debatable) problem with VORP is that, irony of ironies, it undervalues walks -- by half. It also tends to undervalue doubles, I believe, but given the stereotype of Baseball Prospectus as being one of the leading proponents of OBP back in the late 90s/early 00s when people had forgotten all about Branch Rickey, well, "ironic" seems to be too mild.

A couple of brief notes before I get to the Royals.

  • Defense doesn't enter this discussion. This isn't becaues I don't think it's important, but simply to focus on the problems of VORP in measuring offense. Moreover, people feel so differently (and strongly) about whether or not to use defensive metrics, and if so, which one to use, that bringing that in would only confuse matters. Both VORP and JustVORP are set up so that you can simply "add in" the defense stat or our choice if you so desire.
  • Most of this work is old hat in the "hardcore" sabermetric community. I'm not a hardcore sabermetrician, although I like what they do. Here, I'm simply tagging along. For the sake of this post, I'm simply assuming that Justin's version of a Baseruns  Run Estimator, which generates custom linear weights for the era, is better than the basis of VORP. See the post...
  • Finally, this isn't meant as a broadside or attack on Baseball Prospectus or Keith Woolner (a brilliant and nice guy who created VORP and now works for the Indians). Yes, I think it's problematic that this is their flagship stat, and I do think that FanGraphs has more than passed them by. However, this is fixable, as people have noted, and I hope they do so.

So.... how does VORP  "screw over" the Royals? And what does it matter? Remember that for the sake of this post, I'm simply assuming that "Just VORP" is the better valuation tool (it is, by the way). Here is a chart of how VORP and JustVORP, respectively, value the 2008 Royals position players (pretty much all of them are on there), and the difference between the two. A "+" indicates that VORP values a player more than JustVORP, and a "-" the opposite.

 

Name VORP JustVORP Difference
Mike Aviles 35 30 +5
David DeJesus 29 30 -1
Alex Gordon 20 28 -8
Mark Grudzielanek 11 12 -1
Miguel Olivo 7 10 -3
Ryan Shealy 7 6 +1
Alberto Callaspo 7 8 -1
Billy Butler 6 -4 +10
Jose Guillen 6 7 -1
Kila Kaaihue 1 1 0
Mitch Maier -2 -1 -1
Mark Teahen -2 7 -9
John Buck -3 7 -10
Jason Smith -3 -2 -1
Esteban German -5 -2 -3
Joey Gathright -6 -1 -5
Ross Gload -8 -8 0
Tony Pena, Jr. -25 -19 -6

I hope you're as outraged as I am. We should not stand for Tony Pena, Jr. being besmirched in this fashion!

But seriously, folks, this isn't about players I like or don't like being over- or underrated. It's about accuracy. If you buy the arguments about the better run estimators, the way to set replacement level, positional adjustments and stuff, then maybe you still think all this is just theoretical. Differences like being off on DDJ by 1 run aren't a big deal, true. But there are potential practical consequences if a team has the wrong value (and if you're a sabermetrically-oriented writer about the team, you might be making a mistake by using VORP, too).

The most glaring case in my eyes is that of Alex Gordon. If we take the generic 10:1 runs to wins conversion (and assume average defense for the sake of brevity), we'd look at Alex Gordon and say that this is a guy who is barely average, is going to be 25... maybe not much more than a stopgap. But JustVorp has him at +28, or 2.8 wins. That's a big difference! Now we're talking about a player who is clearly above average. That makes (or at least should make) a big difference when a team is thinking about their needs in the near future and/or whether to extend a player.

John Buck is a less crucial case for the Royals, and +7 is hardly a great year. But they are off by a whole win here -- the difference between a guy having a bad year (or just a solid bench player) and a worthless player easily replaceable for the minimum. Yes, 1 win -- teams pay (even this offseason) between $4M and closer to $5M for each marginal win. Mistakes like this can cost you. Teahen is undervalued just as much. Is he a guy a team should simply non-tender (VORP), or is he at least valuable as a utility  guy worth paying more for (JustVORP).

These are just some isolated cases. If you read the Driveline post, you can see other similar situations. But the best players in the league, the guys who are 7-8 WAR players, missing or gaining one win, you know, is still a big deal, but when you're talking about a guy who is around +20, a 10 run difference is the difference between an average guy or an above average guy, a solid starter or a bench  player, a useful bench player and a near-worthless scrub. These are not trivial issues. Especially for a team that needs to pinch every penny... Because yes, these sorts of valuations have financial repercussions that play into a team's ability to compete.

I would be remiss if I didn't (snarkily) note a bit of irony. As RR noted in his post ushering in the Dayton Moore Era, Bill Shanks, the Bravest Sychophant in the Game Today, noted right after the hiring that Moore possessed a Scouts Honor, that he didn't know what VORP was, RR noted in particular. The funny thing is, given Moore's record of position player acquisitions, as well as what we know about Baseball Prospectus' lack of defensive stats, VORP's undervaluation of walks, overvaluation of first basemen and DHs... well, it seems that Dayton Moore may very well know what VORP is, and uses it extensively. Perhaps it's just in his blood.

To conclude -- sabermetrics-friendly bloggers should be aware of the limitations of VORP. The walks issue, in particular, is well-established and no longer controversial. Why it hasn't been fixed, who knows. I hope they do. In the meantime, FanGraphs' WAR, for example, although not identical to Justin's stats, is very close and the way to go. It uses wOBA, which certainly fixes the walks and doubles issues. Even if you don't like the defensive stats (I do, of course), you can simply substract those yourself to get the Runs Above Replacement.

And finally, in conclusion, an open letter:

I'm sure Rany Jazayerli won't read this and has no idea who I am. And why should he? But I know he cares about the Royals, baseball, and, of course, is one of the founders of Baseball Prospectus.

Dear Rany,

If this does get to you -- please advocate VORP being fixed/put out to pasture in its present form. The tools with which to do so are there, as as been pointed out. Even if Dan Fox can't give you guys Simple Fielding Runs anymore (which would fix the embarrassing issues regarding defense and BP), you could at least use RARP (based on EqA/R) in your team audits and as your flagship stat, since it is a stand-in for the correct linear weights (albeit, in the case of EqA, an overly complicated one).

Here's the deal, Rany (which I'm sure won't matter, because you won't read this and really, who cares what I have to say? I know I don't.): If you are the force behind this change at BP, I promise not only to hold off comparing Christina Kahrl's transaction analyses to pretentious versions of the same from Rosenthal or Olney, but I will also stop mentioning that your friend Joe Sheehan, the guy who (rightly) mocked Jose Guillen's Final Vote eligibility in 2008, is the same guy who wrote in the previous offseason a column praising the Royals' signing of Jose Guillen, writing that it 'isn't likely to be a disaster' (ahem). I'll even throw in not linking to MGL's masterful demolition of Sheehan's analysis (written not long after Sheehan's)  that showed just how, um, "questionable" some of Sheehan's assumptions were.

Yes, Rany, if you personally get VORP replaced with something that at least fixes the walks problem, I will stop mentioning those two or three things that expose Prospectus as not quite living up to its analytical reputation. I will cease.

For three whole months.

Yours and BP's (sincere) admirer,

devil_fingers

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yes!

I think the main problem there is the way the value DHs and 1Bs.. You can go case by case. ON one hand, Olivo gets screwed on his catcher games, on the other, his DH games benefit him (relatively speaking), so I’m guessing that’s how VORP came clseo on him.

For the record, both CHONE and PECOTA have Butler hitting much better next year, in fact, the best player on the team (although that isn’t all that impressive). It’s still not great for a 1B/DH, but it’s progress.

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by devil_fingers on Feb 17, 2009 10:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

wait, how could Teahen have a VORP of 7 if defense is not factored in?

.255/.313/.421 couldn’t possibly be above replacement level offense for a RF, could it?

by marbotty on Feb 18, 2009 4:52 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

yes, it is

one of the problems with VORP is that for some positions (not 1B and DH), reaplcement level is “too high” (or is it too low? I mean the same thing…)

Certainly, he was way below average for a corner outfielder, but not below replacement level — two different things. Remember, as Woolner pointed out in his introduction, average and below average players have value.

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by devil_fingers on Feb 18, 2009 9:12 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

.yes!

and also, they help you avoid playing guys like Ross Gload and Tony Pena, Jr.

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by devil_fingers on Feb 19, 2009 11:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

true

but in essence you’re saying that bad players are valuable because they are better than terrible players. the next step in the progression is saying that Gload is valuable because you avoid having to play a 7 yr old :)

by marbotty on Feb 19, 2009 11:45 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Read Woolner's article on VORP

below average players have positive value

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by devil_fingers on Feb 19, 2009 11:47 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i understand the logic behind it

it’s just depressing to accept it

ps YOU read Woolner’s article

by marbotty on Feb 19, 2009 12:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

do, YOU read it!!!111

I’m not srue why it’s depressing. yeah, Teahen hit badly. But I think it should be a relief knowing that teams can help themselves more by getting a some random guy (not just Teahan) half a win below average overall for $400,000 instead of paying an exaclty aveaeg guy $8M.

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by devil_fingers on Feb 19, 2009 12:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

and that would help the team more because of the surplus value

the GMs who don’t get that are what we call “incompetent.”

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by devil_fingers on Feb 19, 2009 12:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

wow, you think Teahen is that bad after one bad year?

Are you channeling Dayton “Willie Bloomquist is an OBP guy” Moore’s player evaluation abilities?

once again, yes, Teahen was -0.1 wins in 2008. But in 2007 he was 2.4 WAr, and in 2006, he was 3.3. Even a very crudest, unadjusted projection system (weighted average 5-4-3 without adjusting separately offense, defense, etc. without regression to the mean), has him as a 1.4 WAR player. Ross Gload’s highest single season is 0.6.

Now, people may think the disproves it, but if a stat doesn’t tell you something you didn’t already know, then why would you need it? Adam Sunn was (obviously) better than Teahen this past season at 1.3 WAR (that’s still pretty bad, by the way). But he was 2.8 in 2007 — Teahen was 2.4 — less than half a win under Dunn, and more than a win better than Dunnn was this season. In 2006, Dunn was 1.8 — Teahen was 3.3.

I suppose it’s not worth the effort. I’m not saying Teahen is a future star. He’s probably not even average, but the idea that he’s close to worthless going forward is without foundation. And Teahen can even be a useful starter somewhere. Adding up the last three years (2006-2008) of WAR, here are some results we’ve all seen before:

Jose Guillen: 2.2
Emil Brown: 3.4
CoCo Crisp: 5
Mark Teahen: 5.6
Alex Gordon (two years): 4.7

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by devil_fingers on Feb 19, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

no, no, no

I appreciate all the effort you just put into that post, but I’m not sure we’re really in much disagreement here.

I recognize that Teahen has had value, especially when his defense is taken into consideration. I was mainly (initially) just questioning the methodology behind VORP — I couldn’t believe that a .700 OPS was considered above replacement level for a RF.

My point with the Teahen/Gload comment was that the Royals shouldn’t have to be in a position where Gload enters the conversation at all. That wasn’t supposed to be a knock on Teahen so much as a knock on organization’s OF depth.

by marbotty on Feb 19, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, sorry, I felt like a pendantic prick after writing that, anyway

remember, though VORP had Teahen valued at -2, JustVorp aty +7. The difference, I think, is not just in the problems with the run estimator, but h ow VORP adjusts for position.

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by devil_fingers on Feb 19, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

far be it from us to get in the way of your feelings, or dispute them

Desperately Seeking Soria (Subliminally encouraging Trey to "Think Leverage, you can do it, Leverage")

by kabrink on Feb 19, 2009 11:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

heh

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by devil_fingers on Feb 19, 2009 11:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

P. S.

I’m a fan of MB as a player, but Teahen was just as valuable in 2007, and more valuable in 2006

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by devil_fingers on Feb 19, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

okay, now we ARE in a disagreement a little

I haven’t seen the defensive metrics, but they must be off the chart in favor of Teahen considering Bradley had a .947 OPS and Teahen a .763 in 2007. No argument over 2006.

I’m guessing the disparity is because Bradley played so many fewer games? That would make sense, but I think it’s more accurate to say that on the season on the whole, they provided equal value, but in games in which Bradley appeared, he provided more value per game than Teahen.

by marbotty on Feb 19, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

and then the question becomes

is it truly more valuable for a team to have a player play moderately well for a whole season? I would think that you’d be better off having a player play exceptionally well for a short period of time.

 (But then we get back down to a question of VORP, again, don’t we? The argument has come full circle!)

by marbotty on Feb 19, 2009 1:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

right -- value is different than ability

clearly, Bradley is way more talented than Teahen. But playing tie matters, and that’s where the (counterfactual) “replacement player” comes in. That’s why we need the concept.

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by devil_fingers on Feb 19, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Excellent argument

while pretty much agreeing with each other.

I just got back from your mom's basement.

by Warden11 on Feb 19, 2009 2:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If you play for only half a season, that really hurts your value

Both on paper and in the real world.

The immoderate moderator

by NYRoyal on Feb 19, 2009 9:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Also

19 games at 3rd helps his positional adjustment a fair bit, although 13 at 1B hurt it almost as much…

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by devil_fingers on Feb 18, 2009 10:51 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Another brainless person ripping Guillen just because

No one else on the Royals posed a power threat in the lineup. Plus he was hurt (supposedly)

Lets see what happens this year before we deliver the final verdict. Oh wait! This is Royals Review so Guillen is horrible, Farnsworth is the worst reliever in the Majors and Bloomquist was the worst FA signing in MLB history. I’m sure we would all love to go back 5 years ago!

by GobbleforCyoung on Feb 18, 2009 7:01 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Welcome to Royals Review, Mr. Moore

Funny — Guillen’s 2006 is explained away by his injuries, as has been his 2007 defense. Oh, and also his 2008 performance (which wasn’t bad, of course!!1111) So he’s not bad, he’s just hurt all the time. That should totally make us feel better about the 3/36 contract.

And I was actually not focusing on Guillen anyway, just pointing out that Joe Sheehan, a guy who actuallly ripped the signing during the season, actually liked the signing at the time. I was making fun of Sheehan, not Guillen. And perhaps a little credit should be given to people who pointed out Guillen’s and his contracts problems before his bad season. You know, the season during which he such a power threat that Oakland walked Alex Gordon (hitting directly in front of Guillen) five times in one game. that’s some awesome protection.

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by devil_fingers on Feb 18, 2009 9:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ixne on the Arnsworthfe

I agree that Guillen is not horrible and that Bloomquist is not the worst sighing ever, however I must disagree about Farnsworth. He is perhaps the worst signing ever, the worst pitcher ever, or at least the most cowardess baseball player ever. After a brawl with the Tigers, Farnsworth ran around the pile of players, found a Jeremy Affeldt who was walking away from the pile, then picked him up and slammed him to the ground. I only wish Mike Sweeney was there to finish the fight. Is it still possible? Can we sign Sweeney from the Ms to come over to beat up Farnsworth?

by eakers on Feb 18, 2009 10:01 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ive never understood why people consider...

Sweeney a hard ass after the weaver fight. Everyone knows weaver is a little bitch, yet Sweeney still felt it necessary to bring a weapon with him. I could beat a lot of peoples’ asses if i had the luxury of chucking a batting helmet at them first.

TPJ...you're dead to me

by billybeingbilly on Feb 19, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The Grail shall be ours!

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by devil_fingers on Feb 18, 2009 9:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He's not afraid to die and have his body scattered in dismembered parts!

Bravely rode Sir devil fingers!

Stathead, Zack Greinke fan, and Rock Band 2 singer extraordinaire.

by NHZ on Feb 18, 2009 2:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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