Kansas City's Approach in Developing Billy Butler- Has it Worked?
The Royals drafted Billy Butler with their first pick (14th overall) in the 2004 Draft. Butler's peers in the '04 first round, with the exceptions of Jered Weaver and perhaps Stephen Drew, have really yet to distinguish themselves, and with a strong showing in '09, Butler might very well emerge as the star of the round. If such a thing existed. Although Butler was a Baird draftee, the bulk of his most meaningful development time has ocurred on Dayton Moore's watch. As we approach the fifth anniversary of his drafting, the question is, has the Royals' development plan worked?
The Beginning: Butler was not a long-hold out, and played seventy two games with the team's rookie league affiliate in Idaho as an eighteen-year-old in 2004. As a Chukar, Butler hit .373/.486/.596, and even went 5-5 in steal attempts (!). In short, he dominated the level. After similar success in A-Ball in '05 (.348/.419/.636) Butler earned a late-season promotion to AA Wichita, where he continued to mash, hitting .313/.353/.527 in 27 games. In 2006, Butler spent an entire season at AA, hitting .331/.380/.499 as a twenty-year-old. Aside from fellow uber-prospect Alex Gordon, Butler had clearly established himself as the best hitter on the '06 Wranglers, eclipsing the slowly busting Chris Lubanski and a handful of older players. Effectively, Butler's time as a true minor league player was over by his age 20 season.
A Note on Fielding: Although Butler hit the ground running at the plate, his ability afield was widely considered to be horrible. Given that Butler is now thought to be incapable of playing the outfield, it is still amazing that at one point he saw substantial time at third (while at High Desert in 2005). During his Wichita years, Butler was employed in the outfield, a perhaps bold gambit that does not appear to have paid off. Since 2006, Butler has increasingly played at first/DH, both at Kansas City and Omaha, with an increasing emphasis on the latter.
2007: Butler did not make the Royals Opening Day Roster, instead beginning his season in Omaha, but nevertheless made his Major League debut on May 1, after an in-season callup. Two weeks later, Butler went back to Omaha for a month. In mid-June he was called up again, and from June 20 through the end of the season, Butler was an everyday player. During his initial stint, Butler had hit .243/.256/.297 in 39 PAs. In his much longer second tour, Butler did much better, hitting .298/.358/.466 in 321 PAs, giving him an overall line of .292/.347/.447 in his first season. Sure, he was a little hit-lucky, as his BABIP was .331, but as evinced above, despite his size, Butler had always been a high BA hitter on sheer strength, not unlike a young Jim Thome. As for his random Omaha time, Butler hit well, but may have also given lie to his future performance pattern as a hitter, posting a .291/.412/.542 line in 57 games. Considering Butler was one of the youngest players to appear in 2006 (it was his age 21 year) this was a tremendous debut for Butler.
2008: The big man made the Royals out of Spring Training, and played in each of the team's first 53 games in 2008. Butler's bat was something of a disappointment however, as the now-DH hit only .263/.330/.339 through May 29. In something of a minor stunner, the Royals sent Butler back down to Omaha, although predictably the move was explained as being semi-motivational or psychological. (Interestingly, an obscure internet site had suggested this move earlier in the month, although the Royals elected to not bring up Shane Costa in Butler's place.) Butler responded with his best stretch of play as an O-Royal, hitting .337/.417/.564 and on June 29 was recalled. Whether it was simply a case of Butler having broken out of an early slump, something to do with effort or merely the natural progression of a young hitter, Butler returned to his 2007 form, hitting .284/.320/.444. This was progress from his early Ken Harvey impersonation, though in the broad view his power development was still more stalled than escalating. All told, Butler hit .275/.324/.400 as a Royal in his age 22 season.
Where we stand:
- First and foremost, Butler is still playing ahead of the standard development curve. He was the third youngest Major League player in 2007, and was the eighth youngest in 2008. To put Butler in proper perspective, it should be noted that he is two years younger than Kila Ka'aihue.
- The Royals aggressively promoted Butler, but it's hard to deny the fact that he seemingly had little left to learn at AA, the last true stop for most players in terms of growth.
- It remains an open question as to if the time spent seeing if Butler could handle the outfield (or third!) was a worthwhile risk or was a waste of time which blocked some modest improvements he could have made to his ability at first. That being said, it increasingly looks like Butler has entered the David Ortiz/Jason Giambi phase of his career at age 23, which could be seen as rendering the question as mute, or evidence of mismanagement.
- The Royals have paid the price for Butler's precociousness to an extent, or at least they will. According to Cot's, Butler service time clock stands at 1.041. Allowing for the very real possibility that this number may be slightly inaccurate, it nevertheless appears that Butler will not qualify as a Super Two after this season. Viewing the matter very coldly, this is the ideal situation for the team, maximizing Butler's time in the Majors, but steering clear of an un-necessary arbitration eligible year.
- Furthering the point above, the Royals have maximized Butler's time in the Majors. When he's been with the team, he has not only played, he's started. Butler has 200 career starts, against only 16 games as a sub.
- In conclusion, there are really only two problematic considerations regarding the handling of Butler, one major, one minor. The minor consideration has been mentioned above, namely, the management of Butler's position. There is a difference between being a functional first-baseman and a DH. From where I sit (in my mother's basement of course) its near impossible to parse through the differences between some hypothetical situation where Butler was a 1B from day one and the status quo. However, it is the job of a number of professionals who work for the team to think through the process, and I can't quite give them a free pass for what's more or less happened with Butler becoming a lifetime DH at age 23. The more major concern is the matter of Butler's bat. Even accounting for 2008's all-too-easy storyline of "he took his medicine and came back more mature" the numbers still show little measurable progress for Butler after over 880 plate appearances. Instead, in nearly every way, Butler was a little bit worse in 2008 than he was in 2007. Given that, there's a half-flippant, but only half-flippant response possible of "what was the point?" Sure, he's not going to be a Super Two, but he's still now over one year of service time, so all these short-term demotions have really only been partial victories, as he might as well have spent more time in Omaha and been below a full year.
I don't know the answer, and can fully admit that there are ways in which a player can still be learning and improving, before the results are fully visible. There's also the entire matter of the wider issue of "learning to be a professional" that encompasses everything on and off the field. Lastly, although I'd love to, there's the real nitty-gritty inside stuff that he's worked on with hitting instructors throughout his career, and the side-question regarding that level of instruction and his ability to listen. These are real concerns, but ones beyond our scope.
At the macrolevel, the fundamental issue is whether or not the Royals have promoted Butler too quickly and burned through too much service time too fast. As opposed to Alex Gordon, a player whose ceiling is now lower than was hoped for three years ago, Butler's youth still gives him nearly all the upside potential he had on Draft Day, 2004. However, he has now accumulated a non-insubstantial amount of Major League playing time, with mixed results. On those results alone, it is time to at least broach the possibility of concern. Butler's comparables on Baseball Reference, which uses only age and statistics, contain a number of horrifying comps, while PECOTA, using a more sophisticated model, is more sanguine, comparing Butler to Dave Winfield and Prince Fielder.
So which will it be? We'll find out.
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I suppose there is a scenario in which the Royals slow things down...
and have Butler spend a large portion of 2009 in the minors, maybe even enough to buy back a year (in effect) by keeping his total below 2.0 at the end of the season
however, I find that pretty unlikely
I believe the Royals already have an extra year of service time for him
Since he only played partial seasons in the majors in 2007 and 2008, I think the Royals have him through 2013, which covers a total of seven seasons.
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by Scott McKinney on Feb 19, 2009 1:46 AM EST up reply actions
Nice piece
I’m not quite clear on what this has to do with A-Rod, though.
Butler’s move to DH really is bothersome since we really don’t have enough of a “sample size” to know whether he can be adequate at first or not.
And if you don’t like that stats, but want a scouting approach, you can’t say “if you watch him play in the field every day,” since he hardly played in the field every day.
But at least Ross Gload hit a number of incentives, so it’s all worth it.
Both PECOTA and CHONE have Butler projected as the best hitter on the Royals in 2009 by a few runs (assuming an equal number of PAs, of course).
The thing is, as I’ve said before, to be of equal value to Alex Gordon, assuming Gordon is an average defender at third (despite Rany’s FRAA-induced hysteria, both plus/minus and UZR haave Gordon around average for his career, and his one season of TotalZone data in the minors is very impressive), Billy needs to be 20 runs better as a hitter if he’s a DH. If he’s a 1B, and an average defender, he’ll need to be 15 rns better.
How big is the 15 run gap? About the 20008 difference between Alex Gordon and Bobby Abreu. How big is the 20 run gap? About the difference between Gordon and Miguel Cabrera.
So basically, they’ve put Butler in a position to be average, he has to be a very good hitter, and to be worth keeping around, he has to kick ass and pretty much be one of the top 10 offensive players in the game. Maybe he would never have made it as a 1B, but as I said above, it’s not like they’ve really been trying. Oh well, even if he doesn’t develop as anything more than a slighltly above-average hitter with not position, there’s plenty of evidence that some GMs will trade valuable commodities for such things.
The platoon splits are also troubling. On one hand, the authors of The Book show that while all hitter have their own “personal” platoon splits, it takes a lot of major-league PAs against the opposite side before we can consider them to be different than average — about 2000 PAs for RHHs vs LHPs, and 1000 for LHH vs. RHPS. IN other words, they have to be very well-established veterarns, or in the case of RHHs, we should probably just assume they will regress to average unless they’ve been around a LONG time. So overall, between that and the decent projections and his age, I’m not that worried.
Having written that… Butler’s career three-slash in the minors is an impressive.328/.401/0.556. However, while he destroyed LHP to the tune of .403/.491/.781, against RHP he’s hit .307/374/.493. Not horrible, but that’s a pretty big gap. Hopefully, it’s more of a reflection of his young age than anything else…
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Good points on the platoon splits
and, naturally, the defensive value. While Butler’s ceiling as a hitter might be higher, he NEEDS to realize some of that potential since apparently he can’t play defense.
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 19, 2009 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
it also makes a big difference in terms of roster flexibility
just look at the red sox… they are light years deeper and better than the royals, and every time an infielder gets injured it causes chaos
Nice write-up, Will
I’m hoping that we see more out of Gordon and Butler this year. Call me loopy, but this year’s AL Central is looking so mediocre that the Royals just….might….be….I think I’d better not finish that sentence.
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Maybe they can be the next 2006 St. Louis Cardinals
83 wins and a NL Central title.
A lot of things would have to go right for the Royals and a lot of things would have to go wrong for at least three other AL Central teams.
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by Scott McKinney on Feb 19, 2009 3:22 AM EST up reply actions
Oh, I agree
And this off-season is not at all encouraging to me. But seeing some of the projections of other teams makes me wonder if the Royals are all that bad off.
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i wonder how much better the projection would be for the R's
had they signed O. Hudson instead of Farnsworth? According to MLBtraderumors, the cost of signing each player is going to be about the same…
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 19, 2009 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
A couple wins
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by Scott McKinney on Feb 19, 2009 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
An interesting take...
Cons: Misuse of “mute”.
Pros: Another sanguine reset.
Oops, I just made it another.
by wentToARoyalsGameBeforeRR on Feb 19, 2009 9:54 AM EST reply actions
I messed up mute?
That being said, it increasingly looks like Butler has entered the David Ortiz/Jason Giambi phase of his career at age 23, which could be seen as rendering the question as mute, or evidence of mismanagement.
Hmm…
It’s moot? Did not know that.
This was well written and thoughtful
My opinion is that as far as his bat, they did not rush him at all – he either dominated or was highly successful at every minor league stop, every time. Nothing left for him to do but begin the process of acclimating to ML pitching. I believe that regardless of how well a prospect dominates the minors, their usually still is a learning curve in the majors, and their is really no way around it, other than getting at bats.
On the other hand, I think it is very fair to criticize the organization for their failure to accurately assess his defensive abilities. Personally, I think the team could get by with playing him at first base; that being said, I also think it should have been GLARINGLY OBVIOUS to the player development team that he wasn’t capable of playing 3B or OF. Asking him to do so, at the very least, should have been accompanied by a EDICT that he get into better shape. Given his body style/shape that we saw in 2007-08, that should have been readily apparent. If he was unable/unwilling to get into said shape, the decision should have been made right then and there to move him to first base.
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It really didn’t take GMDM’s staff that long to move him, basically one season. They should’ve probably played Billy the full season in Omaha in ‘07 with a September callup, same with Alex. That would’ve probably been better for Alex, Billy and even Teahen.
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+1 on great writeup and analysis
but aside from Weaver and Drew, some other chap named Verlander has had some success from this band of draftees.
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with Butler? In what regard?
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 19, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
was he playing the in the Majors too early?
In retrospect, his callups in 2007 seem sorta questionable. I have no idea what the educational value was either way.
They called him up too early
There was absolutely no reason to call him up when he was so young and still so early in his development. It’s not like the Royals needed him to help them get into the playoffs. They should have waited until they were sure he was ready and until the Royals were closer to contending (like calling him up for regular duty for the first time in 2008 or 2009). That would have given the Royals more peak years.
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by Scott McKinney on Feb 19, 2009 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
the more i think about it, this does seem like the case
especially since he didn’t really hit that well anyway
Worse, they doubled down on stupidity
I think they brought him up too early or should have left him down in Omaha much longer last year after demoting him. But, they didn’t do either. Instead, they brought him to KC for significant time in 07 and 08 and what did they do? They trotted Ross Fing Gload out there to 1B pretty much full time. To what end? Absolutely nothing. What could possibly have been the logic of this? If they wanted to make the commitment to bring Billy up in the first place they should have stuck him at 1B and played him daily both years.
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by kabrink on Feb 19, 2009 10:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The good news
By not playing him daily both years (or more to the point, but not having him up for full seasons both years, the Royals bought a 7th year of team control). I don’t think they handle this wisely, but there is a serious silver lining. Of course I think they should have jiggered the system in this kind of way in 2008 and 2009, rather than a year sooner.
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by Scott McKinney on Feb 20, 2009 3:07 AM EST up reply actions
maybe jacobs is kind of the plan
Butler still has another option year, yet? If they work this right, maybe they can have club control of a platoon DH through his age 34 year!
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 20, 2009 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
It sure is a good thing
that we went out to get a top notch defensive 1B because we had such a shitty defensive 1B.
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i dont think there was anything wrong with the way they moved him through the system...
however, i do have a problem with what they did with him in the field. the guy was fat when he was drafted at 18 years old. Do you really think he’s going to be able to play the outfield 5 years down the road? He should be a 5 year veteran at 1b by now. Sending him to the minors right now would send a horrible message to people coming up through the system. ‘You may be good enough, but we want to be cheap and keep you hear another year, so enjoy omaha’
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by billybeingbilly on Feb 19, 2009 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
yes, the 40-odd games at 3rd also seem laughable
but maybe there were other guys they needed to see elsewhere… I dunno
Trying him at third base after he was drafted made sense
He played there in high school, so they should look at him there to see if he can handle a position which makes his value higher. You let him play there for a little while to evaluate him and then see if or how he responds to instruction. Clearly he didn’t improve, so they moved him.
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by Scott McKinney on Feb 19, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
you move other guys to make room for your 1st round pick
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on Feb 19, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
It's not like
Billy Butler is a bust…yet. He is still only 22 years old and still has time to grow as a hitter. Don’t give up on him just yet.
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by CUBSfaninYANKEEcountry on Feb 19, 2009 2:20 PM EST reply actions
Yeah so in retrospect,
it looks like they should have let Billy spend all of 2007 in Omaha solely to learn how to play first base. I assume he would have responded well to the org. telling him:
"Dude, you can hit in the majors right now but your defense needs work. We think giving you time to learn 1B in a lower pressure environment will greatly enhance your value (read: $$). "
I’m not saying this was the obvious move in 2007, but it seems it would have been beneficial at this point. Luckily, we on the Internets get to second guess.
With a year of development at AAA, would he be a worse defensive player today than Mike Jacobs?
he's probably better right now
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 19, 2009 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
I really lobbed
that into your wheelhouse.
by stuckinstl12 on Feb 19, 2009 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
How do you skip over the
free jersey and the over promotion of last year? That might have been their biggest error with BamBam.
I just got back from your mom's basement.
Good call
Same thing happened to Teahen in 2007. Maybe we should start giving out A-Rod jerseys just so we don’t jinx any of our own players…
How about we have a TPJ jersey day!!
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Great piece
I think they may have rushed him a tad but the bigger issue is his non-position. We all know that at the end of last season, he could’ve started almost the entire month of September at 1st base every day. But the Royals refused to do that. OK yes it was hard because we really wanted to see what Shealy could do. So then why didn’t they split a little more time.
From what little I’ve seen, I don’t see why Butler couldn’t develop into a average fielding 1st baseman. People do get better, especially at a young age. Hopefully Billy took it upon himself this offseason to work on his fielding skills while he was losing all that poundage.
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 19, 2009 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
he shouldve been starting there every game last year...
he seemed to be serviceable when he was there, but look where we are. 2009 and we still dont know if butler can play a passable 1b.
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by billybeingbilly on Feb 19, 2009 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
One question:
Is the bar still so high on DHes? I’m not willing to do the work to find out how you came up with your numbers but Sheehan wrote the other day about how poor the DH position performed last year. Shouldn’t a DH be compared to other DHes league-wide? Does that multiplier change from year to year or is it a constant?
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teams are playing the wrong people there
anyone can handle the “defensive requirements” of a DH. Thus, a league average hitter is exactly replacement level at DH.
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 19, 2009 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
roger
thanks.
it seems a little simplistic though. by that reasoning, unless your DH is your best hitter than you’re playing the wrong person at DH.
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by Billex Gordler on Feb 19, 2009 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
true, my answer is overly simplistic
somtimes there just aren’t enough hitters to go around. But I’d also say there are a lot of problems with roster construction. I’m not worried about the Royals, though, they’ve got more than enough guys who are especially gifted at DHing.
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 19, 2009 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
either way
its still an area that should have a masher, maybe even more so if so many teams can’t figure that out
yes
and those guys are easier to find than you think. They don’t need to spend a million billion dollars to do it. In fact, the better way for a team like the Royals to do it is spend less money on a guy (or maybe two guys) who suck on defense, say, Johnny Gomes/Josh Phelps and Russell Branyan/Hinske (Gomes singed a minor league deal with the Reds and can play some Dunn-level defense, Phelps is on a minor-league deal with the Giants, Branyan and Hinske signed short and smaller deals than Willie Bloomquist. All but Gomes are better suited to first, but can play [terrible] OF as well, and Branyan and Hinske can backup 3B). Either platoon combination would cost no more than 2.3M — about 1M less than Jacobs is making. It would offer a bit of defensive utililty and more offensive production.
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 20, 2009 1:24 AM EST up reply actions
What I mean is
there aren’t that many players in baseball who can really carry the DH “penalty,” and those guys are almost always really expensive — Dunn can do it, but just barely. Manny can do it (and should), but he’s WAY too expensive, and a lot of the other guys simpy hav positions Teixeira, Mauer, A-Rod, ec.
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 20, 2009 1:25 AM EST up reply actions
exactly...
those premier guys have positions and if they became DHs, whomever took their spot on defense would represent a large downgrade with the bat, depending on the team, and so maybe the team doesn’t get any better offensively.
as for your above comment about gomes, et al, it doesn’t seem like better roster construction to use two spots for two sides of a platoon neither of which side can play the field with any skill…
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by Billex Gordler on Feb 20, 2009 1:29 AM EST up reply actions
it depends on how they hit overall
and they don’t have to be useless. It also has to do with money. Gomes/Branyan will be togher making less than Jacobs this coming season, and even considered alone, either one is as good and probably better overall.
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 20, 2009 1:31 AM EST up reply actions
The best use
is also to get your best defenders on the field, right? The As (predictably) have/had the perfect setup with three good defensive OFers out there and Cust most nights at DH. All those guys were relatively cheap and good at their jobs. There are some inefficiencies, of course. The Orioles are in a situation where Luke Scott will be DHing next season, despite being a good defender. But he isn’t going to play in front of Markakis (although he’s probably just as good a defender), and Jones and Pie are also defensive machines.
Seattle, if they can avoid playing Griffey in the field, are doing the multiple CFs thing with Endy/Gutierrez/Ichiro.
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 20, 2009 1:29 AM EST up reply actions
i agree with basically everything you're saying...
but it seems like the positional adjustments should reflect the reality of the situation more than you’ve explained it. maybe they do and maybe it’s too hairy to get into. given that there are so few guys who can mash but who don’t have a position, it doesn’t seem like they should be penalized for the fact that they don’t have a position. like you said, you can always play a butcher a day or two a week and not get killed.
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by Billex Gordler on Feb 20, 2009 1:34 AM EST up reply actions
the penalty simply reflects their relative value
not just on the field, but on the market. This is why you shouldn’t positoinal adjust just offensive stats by position or work from yearly positoinal averages (as BP does). Too simply: Just because Jack Cust doesn’t hit as well as A-Rod doesn’t mean that it’s harder to hit as as DH. We know that A-Rod could DH. We also know that Cust couldn’t play 3rd. You could plug any great hitter into the DH spot, no matter how good he is on defense. It doesn’t work the other way.
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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 20, 2009 1:39 AM EST up reply actions
yeah...
i understand that the versatility adds value. it’s late and i’m confused and tired and i can’t reconcile some things in my head, or even type them so i’m going to bed. if i’m still confused tomorrow, i’ll bug you then.
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