Wrapping Up Your Gut Responses to the Royals Place in the AL Central
It's been a strange and divisive off-season for Royals fans, with a series of relatively minor moves (Bloomquist, Ho-Ram, Farnsworth) eliciting a torrent of mostly justified anti-Moore sentiment. As may be expected, the people at the extremes have been the most vocal. Even accounting for that however, I must say that, as a guy who has endured a significant amount of criticism for being too negative, there's a part of me that feels vindicated by the results of the Gut Responses series. At some point, if the team is really going to take the next step, the Royals have to become, you know, better than other teams. Although it is now year three of Dayton Moore's rebuild of the Royals, the majority of the team's best players remain Baird-era holdovers, and, according to the readers of this site at least, the Royals are basically still a fourth place team. And this isn't the AL East.
Hopefully, it'll turn out that we're all wrong wrong wrong.
Quite plainly, the "yes or no" nature of the question colors everything, as there's a big difference between what these answers can and do mean. Still, I think there's something in how many people are willing to go out on a limb and say, "yes, the Royals are better." And as it stands, that's still where we are, being better is going out on a limb. Here are the results, given the question, Are the Royals Better than the ___ ?
| Yes % | No % | Total Votes | |
| Tigers | 63% | 37% | 413 |
| White Sox | 42% | 58% | 718 |
| Twins | 23% | 77% | 813 |
| Indians | 18% | 81% | 582 |
- The Tiger vote: Considering that the Tigers were a trendy World Series pick just a year ago, it's a signal of how far they've fallen that only 37% of Royals fans now believe that the Tigers are better than the boys in blue. Of course, the Tigers did have an awful year last season. As the White Sox, Indians, and even the Twins have shown over the last three seasons, for whatever reason, teams in the AL Central are rarely as dead as one season makes them seem. My take: the Tigers were six wins better than the Royals in terms of their pythag last season, but if you account for the relative strength of KC's bullpen and the problems the Tigers had, its closer to a dead heat, which makes sense considering they finished only one game apart in the real standings. This is a very tough call, as I think the Tigers still have a better roster, but that too many of their players are, or should be declining, while the Royals have many players, at least offensively, that should be getting better. The quiet off-season the Tigers had is all the more puzzling. I'll go with the popular sentiment and say the Royals are now slightly better, emphasis on slightly.
- The White Sox vote: PECOTA is the biggest White Sox hater, but most of the Royal Pride types hate PECOTA, or at least an over-reliance on it. The White Sox seemingly had a pretty weak off-season, and lost more good players than any other team in the division, yet only 42% of Royals fans think the Royals are better. My take: Other than in 2007, the White Sox have never really cratered this decade, and perhaps without knowing it, they've built a solid team for their ballpark. I see the White Sox finishing ahead of the Royals in 2009, although I suspect that they will be closer to the Tigers than to the Indians. There is a tear-down scenario possible here as well, but I don't quite see it, even if the Sox wanted to, given the industry-wide fear of spending and/or taking on big contracts.
- The Twins vote: Something of a surprising total, although perhaps it's just my well-established anti-Twins sentiment that clouds my perception. For some reason, the Twins vote was also the largest of the whole little game, so not only did a huge portion of the readership think the Royals weren't better than the Twins, but the overall sample was larger. My take: sure, the Royals will probably be worse than the Twins next season, but I have a hard time seeing how the gap between the two teams is as large as might be implied here. The Twins were lucky in all sorts of ways last season, and still finished behind the White Sox. Really, I don't see much difference between the Royals and Twins anymore, solid pitching with bad offense for both teams is the modus operandi and looks to remain so for years to come, complete with a side-order of questionable acquisition strategies at the Major League level. If anything, on both sides of the ball, to use a footballism, the Royals have more high-upside talent than the Twins do, only the Twins' main guys offensively have already arrived.
- The Indians vote: Yet another interesting result. Considering that the Indians and Tigers only seven wins apart last season, you wouldn't necessarily think that there'd be forty-five point gap between how they polled. My take: Yes, the Indians are better. The Indians had like six or seven independent variables all go horribly wrong last season, and they still managed to win 81 games. They might not be capable of winning 95 games next season, but they may be the only team in the division which basically can't dip into the 75-win zone.
- So if we can all agree that the Royals have gotten better, but yet are still more or less a fourth or fifth place team, then what are we really saying? The improvement has merely been marginal? The improvement is all at the level of potential or a foundation yet to be seen? Have the Royals simply risen, along with the rest of the American League? Do we overrate the quality of our hated foes in the Central?
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Yes, the improvement has been small
And it is almost entirely from the likely development/improvement of young players like Gordon, Butler and Hochevar. And I think we are underrating the quality of the other AL Central teams (except for the White Sox who are overrated around here for some reason).
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by NYRoyal on Feb 23, 2009 9:45 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Agree
I don’t think the moves this winter have made us better, but we may improve slightly simply by (a) having younger guys like Gordon, Butler and Greinke improve and (b) not playing TPJ, Gload, Gathright, Tomko, et al anymore.
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by RoyalsRetro on Feb 23, 2009 10:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and we can get "I told you so" columns from Melliner, et. al.
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by devil_fingers on Feb 23, 2009 12:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
although
aren’t “the moves this winter” what makes it likely that we are “not playing TPJ, Gload, Gathright, Tomko (ok, not Tomko – but you know what I mean)”? Anyway, you’re making a circular argument.
However, other than Farns who I think is going to suck, I remain on the fence about Coco and Jacobs. Their not great, not perfect, but are nevertheless somewhat improvements.
Mostly, I agree with the points being made that everything mostly depends on whether our pre-existing players are better this year. That includes Guillen, not just the young guys. Although, I hope and suspect we might find some other surprise pitching improvements in some of the lesser acquisitions we’ve made recently. That would certainly fit DM’s MO.
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by kabrink on Feb 23, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree Kabrink
I do believe that we have to judge Crisp, Jacobs, and Farns based upon their past performances because they have been in the league for a bit and have track records but I think something else is being missed with all of the criticism. Not only are these guys replacing Gathright, Gload, and Nunez (thus removing them) but they are all more talented than the people they replaced. Another step I think the organization needs to take, is putting coaches in place that can take underachieving toolsy players from other teams and making them more productive here. Let’s hope they have reach those coaches in place this year.
by Chyladin on Feb 23, 2009 3:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
they also cost a great deal more than the guys they replaced
which prevented the Royals having enough money to get players that would actually improve the team, e.g., Hudson, rather than trading Ramriez for Crisp, a gain of a win, maybe, if one could replace Ramirez. with a 1 win reliever… but h e was replaced by a 0 win reliever…
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by devil_fingers on Feb 23, 2009 6:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not necessarily
Those guys could have been replaced in-house and they would have improved the team:
Pena < Callaspo
Gload < Shealy
Gathright < Costa or Maier
Tomko < Rosa
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by RoyalsRetro on Feb 23, 2009 3:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll buy that.
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by kabrink on Feb 23, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but . . .
Shealy < Jacobs (close, but Shealy has never been able to maintain a spot on a big league roster)
Costa or Maier < Crisp (surely you see this)
Nunez < Farns (more strike outs and the ability to stay healthy for an entire season)
I’ll concede that Rosa might end up being better than Farns, but that isn’t certain yet.
While I would like to have gotten more this off-season it seem pretty clear that this is about all we could get. Other free agents used us to negotiate. The only player (sadly, really sadly) that it appears we might have been able to get was Dunn. But we had already spent our money because who knew he could be had for $10 million per!!!!
by Chyladin on Feb 23, 2009 6:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Shealy's ability to field at an average level makes him almost as good
and probably better than Jacobs
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by devil_fingers on Feb 23, 2009 6:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Valid point . . .
. . . except he hasn’t been able to beat out Gload for a spot on the big league team for two years straight.
Shealy has flashed talent better than Jacobs (for that matter so has Kila) but hasn’t been able to sustain it at the big league level. Until he does (if he ever does) I’ll take Jacobs over him.
But, I hope, wish, and pray that Kila kills the ball in AAA the first half of the year (like he did last year) and forces the Royals to move Jacobs.
by Chyladin on Feb 23, 2009 6:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and perhaps without knowing it, they’ve built a solid team for their ballpark.
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by kcscoliny on Feb 23, 2009 10:54 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
A bunch of slow HR hitters for a good HR hitter's ballpark
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by NYRoyal on Feb 23, 2009 11:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t get the without knowing it line. I think Kenny Williams has a pretty decent understanding of what he is doing.
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by kcscoliny on Feb 23, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kenny Williams's track record is very mixed
Kenny Williams never talks about building a power hitting team. Never. He never talks about maximizing the HR’s on the team. He talks about speed and grinders. Some of that can be chalked up to PR-speak. But the fact that he never talks about maximizing HR’s for that park leads me to believe that he really isn’t trying to build a team of slow HR hitters. Certainly some of his acquisitions fall in that category, but a great many do not. Also, his choice of manager (a guy who loves small ball) doesn’t point to him trying to build a team which is best for their home park.
Kenny Williams isn’t a good GM. He isn’t an awful one either.
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by NYRoyal on Feb 23, 2009 12:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kenny Williams isn’t a good GM. He isn’t an awful one either.
I think he gets alot of heat on here. He has made alot of good moves for his ballclub (Quentin, Jenks, Floyd) as well as some FA signings that have worked out well (Dye, AJ). I think he does a decent job of combining all the phases of the systems (FA, Draft, Trades) as well as pretty much any GM out there with a couple exceptions (Theo, Friedman).
He probably gets slack from KC fans because he is the Sox GM. As far as a GM having a mixed track record that is just a product of being around for 9 years.
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by kcscoliny on Feb 23, 2009 12:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He gets flack from a lot of people because of the moves he's made
He’s made quite a few good moves during his tenure. He’s made quite a few bad moves too. I could list quite a few of both. I don’t think the good outweigh the bad, particularly after this offseason. I don’t bash GM’s in the AL Central just because they are Royals opponents. The Twins had a very good GM until recently. Shapiro is a good GM. Dombrowski is pretty good. Williams has had some truly inspired moves…and also more than a few really crappy ones.
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by NYRoyal on Feb 23, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like Kenny
He gave us Cortes (and Lumsden) for Mac the Ninth and Gload for Sisco. Besides, it’s not his fault Moore signed Gload for two years.
by BrRoyal on Feb 23, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it was an inside job
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by devil_fingers on Feb 23, 2009 6:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Moves?
Hello, (full disclosure as a sox fan here). Just curious as to the really crappy moves you’re referring to. Yes he made deals for 2 of your relievers that have fallen flat. Gload was never going to see the field in chicago and he had built up a minimal level of value so he thought he would try to capitalize, didn’t work out, but didn’t seem like a huge loss. MacDougal has been a big disappointment both in the trade and resigning. That being said: Quentin, Danks, Floyd, and Ramirez all made big impacts last season. Plus there is the ace in the hole that is the 2005 season…
by iachifan on Feb 23, 2009 5:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have to agree
no GM is gonna have a perfect record or even close if they last awhile and Kenny seems to have done a good job overall.
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by kcscoliny on Feb 23, 2009 5:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Some of Kenny Williams really crappy moves
Dec. 13, 2001 – Traded Kip Wells, Josh Fogg and Sean Lowe for Todd Ritchie
July 25, 2002 – Traded Ray Durham for Jon Adkins
Dec. 3, 2002 – Traded Keith Foulke, Joe Valentine and Mark Johnson for Billy Koch
July 18, 2004 – Traded Jon Rauch and Gary Majewski for Carl Everett
Oct. 28, 2004 – Released Magglio Ordonez
Dec. 14, 2004 – Traded Carlos Lee for Scott Podsednik and Luis Vizcaino
Dec. 13, 2005 – Traded Damaso Marte for Rob Mackowiak
April 2, 2006 – Signed Jose Contreras to a 3-year, $29M contract through 2009
July 24, 2006 – Traded Dan Cortes and Ty Lumsden for Mike MacDougal
Dec. 16, 2006 – Traded Ross Gload for Andy Sisco
Jan. 23, 2007 – Signed FA Darin Erstad
Nov. 19, 2007 – Traded Jon Garland for Orlando Cabrera (could have traded him for a young player or prospects who would help the Sox for multiple years, not just one year)
Nov. 28, 2007 – Signed FA Scott Linebrink to a 4-year, $19M contract through 2011 (with no-trade protection)
July 31, 2008 – Traded Nick Masset and Danny Richar for Ken Griffy Jr.
Nov. 13, 2008 – Traded Nick Swisher and Kanekoa Teixeira for Wilson Betemit, Jeff Marquez and Jhonny Nunez
Dec. 2, 2008 – Traded Javier Vazquz and Boone Logan for Tyler Flowers, Brent Lillibridge, Jon Gilmore and Santos Rodriguez
And these are just some of KW’s truly crappy moves. In addition, he hasn’t drafted particularly well. I won’t go into every draft pick, but here are some failed first round picks of his:
2000 – Joe Borchard
2001 – Kris Honel
2002 – Royce Ring
2003 – Brian Anderson
Those four are clearly failures. We don’t yet know about Fields, Broadway, McCulloch, Poreda and Beckham.
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by NYRoyal on Feb 23, 2009 7:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You stay around long enough bad moves are gonna happen
Billy Beane trade and draft database
Highlights include
Matt Stairs for Eric Ireland
Tim Hudson for 3 no ones
Chad Bradford for Jay Payton
Carlos Pena and Jeremy Bonderman for Ted Lilly and a couple no ones
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by kcscoliny on Feb 23, 2009 7:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's an easy way to write off any and all bad moves a GM makes
The above list of KW’s bad moves (which certainly isn’t complete) combined with his list of good moves is the profile of a GM who is neither good nor awful (as I said above). And I think the long list of bad moves outweighs his good moves, but not by a whole lot.
And your list of Beane’s bad moves is pretty short in comparison to KW’s, isn’t it?
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by NYRoyal on Feb 23, 2009 8:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well to be fair I didn't include his incomplete moves like you did or
his moves that weren’t all that bad like you did.
Hardly really crappy moves
July 18, 2004 – Traded Jon Rauch and Gary Majewski for Carl Everett
July 24, 2006 – Traded Dan Cortes and Ty Lumsden for Mike MacDougal
Dec. 16, 2006 – Traded Ross Gload for Andy Sisco
Incomplete
July 31, 2008 – Traded Nick Masset and Danny Richar for Ken Griffy Jr.
Nov. 13, 2008 – Traded Nick Swisher and Kanekoa Teixeira for Wilson Betemit, Jeff Marquez and Jhonny Nunez
Dec. 2, 2008 – Traded Javier Vazquz and Boone Logan for Tyler Flowers, Brent Lillibridge, Jon Gilmore and Santos Rodriguez
And while the Lee move was a bad move for the 06 season it was a catalyst to their WS championship.
One can easily say the Cubs fleeced Beane but I wouldn’t toss that in yet because you don’t know how the minor league pieces will turn out just like you don’t know how the ChiSox pieces will.
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by kcscoliny on Feb 23, 2009 10:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
When you give up much more than you get in return, does that count as "really crappy?"
Or is it only really crappy when a star player is involved? And even “incomplete” moves can be evaluated. And if we’re talking about how good a GM is, then they really should be.
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by NYRoyal on Feb 23, 2009 10:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well by those definitions
Billy Beane qualifies easily as a average GM and no way is he any better than that despite what most think.
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by kcscoliny on Feb 23, 2009 11:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
On balance, I think you're wrong
When you consider all of his:
1. Trades
2. FA signings
3. Cheap waiver wire pickups
4. Drafts
5. What he’s been able to do with a small budget
He’s well above average by any reasonable measure.
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by NYRoyal on Feb 23, 2009 11:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not by your definitions
his trades easily work at as a minus compared to KW’s. I don’t think Beane is below average but by your rationale on KW he certainly could fit the mold. When you count moves like Gload as crappy then a move like trading Ethier could be considered a CRUSHING BLOW. Both GM’s are good while Beane is better because he has done better in the draft I would question many of his trades recently.
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by kcscoliny on Feb 24, 2009 12:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not by my definitions?
What definition? My definition of what is a “crappy trade?” First, I don’t think we’re actually looking at all of Beane’s trades. Just a few that you cherry picked. Second, the quality of a GM’s trades is just one factor among many that must be part of the evaluation. No, both GM’s are not good. Trades, FA signings, waiver wire pickups, drafts and budgets all count.
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by NYRoyal on Feb 24, 2009 12:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We are looking at the same data with KW
Cherrypicked trades. I posted a link to all of Beanes trades above. He has made quite a few good ones and a few bad ones just like KW. Your definition of crappy trades has a pretty large range. When one considers a neutral trade like Gload for Sisco a really crappy one then they aren’t being reasonable. At worst it is slightly below but trading someone like Gload,when you have options at a position for a possible prospect is really a plus at the time that turned neutral to slightly below. It was worth the shot. The Garland-OCab trade was actually a plus 8M trade according to Fangraphs and if OCab gets signed and brings compensation with the signing it will turn into a big win.
I don’t think you are looking at his work with an open mind. With trades and FA he has done a good job. He could do better with the draft but his Cuban pickups could makeup for that and he seems to be a great evaluator of other teams youth.
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by kcscoliny on Feb 24, 2009 12:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Now it looks like you're cherry picking out of my KW data
Talk about not looking at KW with an open mind. I think you see his WS ring and then assume he must be good on balance. I just don’t think the data supports that conclusion. And how do two Cuban signings make up for a bunch of bad drafts? And aren’t you being inconsistent by apparently saying those were good signings when they are still “incomplete” as you say?
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by NYRoyal on Feb 24, 2009 1:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's not cherrypicking
it’s realistic most of those moves that you listed are hardly really crappy. I could list every average move Beene has ever made and label it wrongly as really crappy but I won’t waste each of our time.
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by kcscoliny on Feb 24, 2009 10:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Those weren't average moves
At least 90% of them were quite awful. The other 10% were merely bad.
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by NYRoyal on Feb 24, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
as do most GM's
Every GM is gonna alot of bad moves by those justifications.
The Sisco-Gload trade in my book is just a bad/unlucky move, any GM is gonna have plenty of those if they are making moves. Gload being traded away really had no impact on the White Sox club. The same with quite a few of those moves.
He’s made some big mistakes. Ordonez, Foulke trade ,etc but that just comes with the game. The Pod deal was at least neutral thanks to the jewelry and signing Dye, Thome, AJ,Jenks trading for a few others far outweigh those negatives.
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by kcscoliny on Feb 23, 2009 11:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He’s made some big mistakes. Ordonez, Foulke trade ,etc but that just comes with the game
And when you’ve got as many or more bad moves than good moves, you’re not a very good GM. But I don’t think he’s awful either.
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by NYRoyal on Feb 23, 2009 11:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would like to see a revote on the Twins if they sign Cruz
With Crede and Cruz both I would doubt it was even 15% Yes
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by kcscoliny on Feb 23, 2009 10:55 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
good point
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by devil_fingers on Feb 23, 2009 12:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why I think progress is slower than we all hope for
I think the team is progressing slower than we hoped for primarily because Glass allowed the minor league system to deteriorate to a far greater extent than we realize before (FINALLY) realizing the errors of his ways).
Without the underlying support a deep, viable minor league system can supply, only so much improvement can be made. Without enough quality prospects, the GM lacks sufficient chips to trade for a star when available, and the odds of finding a star within one’s own system are hampered. (If we had 3 or 4 OTHER SETS of Gordons and Butlers, perhaps one or two would have been an instant Ryan Braun instead of just a slightly above avg player).
I urge everyone to remain patient – because Glass did not have his ephiphany until a couple of seasons ago. Now, assuming the minor league system was virtually completely barren, and that the avg major leaguer takes, say 4-6 years to develop (if not a bit longer), we really can’t expect to contend until say 2011-2013.
Mr Glass, this is a pro sports team, not a retail store - run it like one!
by loyal2sdad on Feb 23, 2009 11:40 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
True
I think DM has also gone with a lot of HS guys which take seemingly forever to get to the big leagues. Very few DM guys are even in the upper level of the minors. It may still be a few seasons – 2011 or so – before we even see any DM draftees have a big impact on the big league club.
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by RoyalsRetro on Feb 23, 2009 11:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not worried. He's clearly mastered free agency.
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by devil_fingers on Feb 23, 2009 12:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He hasn't been a total disaster
Granted, this year’s FAs are mind-boggling, but he’s had some good-to-decent pick ups:
Riske
Meche
Mahay (still like it, even if it’s not the all-out win it once appeared to be)
by BrRoyal on Feb 23, 2009 1:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
love my ducky
he’s like my new mike wood
by royalsreview on Feb 23, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I assume Bale lost that spot due to the "cousin" comments.
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by devil_fingers on Feb 23, 2009 6:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
more or less, yes
but i was high on him when he was first acquired
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i figured the whole "existence" question would make him funnier
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by devil_fingers on Feb 23, 2009 6:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
by far his best move
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by devil_fingers on Feb 23, 2009 6:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Meche and Soria were/are clearly great
Riske is only good if you consider the additional draft pick, and oif you think that he was the key to Zack’s return to form.
Mahay is a decent reliever, but not for the money.
Guillen is a disaster. Gload is horrible. Farnsworth has more guaranteed money this next year than Orlando Hudson… etc.
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by devil_fingers on Feb 23, 2009 6:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree on most of those statements
However, not every move can be “great.” Just ask the Steinbrenners who have out-spent everyone for ever and haven’t won a World Series since 2000.
And Riske was a good pitcher, even if he was overpaid. So, he’s not “only good” considering the draft pick. Plus (can’t avoid a little sarcasm), his failure as the stand-in closer is what revealed that Soria could be a dominant closer.
Which reminds me, the Dotel signing was brilliant. No, we didn’t get great production, but we got enough to finagle a pitcher whose upside is a #2 starter (no, I’m not expecting this and would be elated with a #3) and whose downside has gotten us several months of major league pitching.
by BrRoyal on Feb 23, 2009 7:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Davies will be awesome this year
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by doublestix on Feb 24, 2009 12:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Mr. Glass had his ephiphany when he got the stadium deal:
And had a solid idea of his future revenues. The Royals were crippled by the long period of no ownership which led to a near abandonment of the farm system, and David Glass keeping a check on his pocketbook until the stadium deal was passed.
by hunter s. royal on Feb 24, 2009 12:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have them in last for the next 10 years
Unless they show me otherwise, seriously I pull and cry and yell and scream for this team and want them to win like no other, however they haven’t done shit and I literally will never get excited for a season until they are playing good from start to finish. Period.
by ZachMartin2 on Feb 23, 2009 5:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry the Royals broke your heart
But that’s no excuse for shoddy, emotional, bullshit “analysis”. Pouting probably won’t work, so maybe you should try holding your breath.
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by NYRoyal on Feb 23, 2009 7:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
seriously, what was that all about
remaining positive at all costs
by LimaTime10 on Feb 23, 2009 7:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like somebody is in a glass box of emotion

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by NYRoyal on Feb 23, 2009 8:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i heard they are writing Anchorman 2
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by kcscoliny on Feb 24, 2009 12:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll be shocked if it is anywhere near as good.
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by NYRoyal on Feb 24, 2009 1:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
2>1
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at least regarding Back to the Future
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I am watchin the Game tracker for Tenn vs Austin Peay today
to see how Kentrail Davis is doing and noticed Austin Peay has a DH named
Ryne Mantooth
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.
by kcscoliny on Feb 24, 2009 4:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You thought the BttF sequel was better than the original?
I thought the sequel was awful, just not quite as awful as the threequel.
The immoderate moderator
by NYRoyal on Feb 24, 2009 6:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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