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Spring Training Trip: Days Three & Four

Below is a copy from notes from days three and four of my Arizona trip.  Keep in mind that day two was not devoted to baseball.  The Royals were told to stay away from camp, so I decided to delve into non-baseball related activity, as well.  Nonetheless, here are the b-ball oriented notes. Day 3:
We'll begin with some notes from Minor League camp.
  • Mike Moustakas has taken an active role in vocal leadership. He was instructing fellow (ex?) Bees Jeff Bianchi, David Lough, and Johnny Giavotella in bunting exercises. He sounds like a real active team leader. Something that, unfortunately, in my opinion, was sadly missing in Billy Butler and Alex Gordon throughout the minors and during their brief Major League tenures.
  • Moose also looked quite awkward at times, when walking around. ESPN's Keith Law has noted that Moustakas is difficult to project, and seemed to imply in a recent article that the 20 year old would be best implemented as a starting catcher. It's difficult to disagree with him. Moose is bulky, but short, but contains many tools that would be prevalent for a cornerman: a 70-arm on the 20-80 scouting scale, and, you guessed it, POWER.
  • I caught many pitchers doing cardiovascular exercises on massage tables immediately outside one of the practice fields. It was interesting how they set these tables up. There were approximately four tables, total, and the pitchers would rotate turns exercising on these tables.
  • Suspended Royals Jason Taylor and Jarrod Dyson were not present in camp. One player tested positive for an amphetamine, and another was suspended for another drug. 50 games each.
  • Jamar Walton towered over many Royals players. The Bees' roster lists him as 6'4", but he looked at least 6'7". I have read nothing about Walton's allegedly(?) expanded physical frame, but is it even possible for 23 year olds to grow vertically? If so, then I might become tall enough to safely project as a starting pitcher for many organizations. (In 1980 and before, I would have had no problem).
  • Outfielder Jordan Parraz, who was acquired in a trade with the Astros for Tyler Lumsden, seemed like he knew quite a few Royals on the field. I think obtaining even Parraz - a once high-ceiling prospect who had fallen somewhat out of favor in the 'Stros organization - was a miracle for Lumsden, who came off an abysmal season where he was banished to mopup bullpen duty for an otherwise depleted Omaha rotation down the stretch in 2008. Parraz is a classic 'ability' player with no single outstanding skill, other than his propensity for getting on-base, which counts as a (sixth) skill in some scouts' books.
  • Anthony Seratelli looks like he lunged at several baseballs low. Definitely a gap-to-gap hitter who needs to lay back on breaking pitches in order to succeed. Since he played mostly first base for the Rocks last season, he'll need to work on those weaknesses.
  • The low minors guys scream 'I Got It!' insatiably loud before catching each pop fly. It's fairly evident they preach a loud signaling throughout the minors as far as catching fly balls.
  • Sean McCauley has added significant weight. A major necessity, in my opinion. I'm glad.
  • I was surprised to see Miguel Moctezuma practicing with the upper-Minors players. He is stocky, but hit the ball quite well in batting practice.
  • Idaho Falls pitcher Colby Beach was throwing flames in the pitching sessions.
In the meantime, peruse the TRT top 20 prospects, below. I described these prospects quite thoroughly in one of my previous posts.
Here are some notes (and pictures) from the Major League contest.
  • Gil Meche did not use pitches terribly efficiently, and (to his bad luck) induced plenty of foul balls and unlucky batted ball data (BABIP), which contributed to his high pitch count for the afternoon. He finished hitters quite well (3 strikeouts) but still walked two. He must have thrown at least 50 pitches, which is entirely too high for 2 1/3 innings.
  • Joel Peralta and Heath Phillips were lights out. Phillips struck out 3 hitters in 2 innings and Peralta struck out the side (but also surrendered a blazing liner back up the middle).
  • Jimmy Gobble was his normal self. He labored through his inning, surrendering two hits and falling behind several hitters, but ended the inning unscathed, thanks to some liners which were hit directly at fielders. Definitely the Gobble of '08. He's likely on the outside looking in, as far as nailing one of those two final bullpen slots. I would say Waechter and HoRam have the inside track for those roster spots.
  • Billy Butler raked. He hit a three-run home run and generally worked the count well. He was in command of the strike zone.
  • Alex Gordon needs to lay off the off-speed pitches low, and needs to stop taking perfectly good pitches inside the strike zone deep in the count. I'm not normally a proponent of an overtly aggressive style of offensive approach, but in Gordon's case, he needs to balance over-aggressiveness and over-passiveness. Because he often wavers too heavily in both directions.
  • Brayan Pena is quite speedy for his heaviness. He hustled down the first base line, but was thrown out after getting a terrible jump off a Seattle pitcher in the seventh inning. As I have written several times, I hope he makes the team. For the record, BBTF's Zips Projections pegs Pena as posting a trio of .280/.326/.392 this year - which outperforms both Buck and Olivo (yet still doesn't approach House's .291/.346/.436 projected line). Why can't we see a Pena-House platoon for the Royals Catching Solution 2009?
  • Dave DeJesus worked the count well, despite not drawing a walk.
  • Welcome back, Mark Teahen, Miguel Olivo, and Jose Guillen! Olivo started, but Teahen did not play, and Guillen was absent due to the birth of his son. The Canadian and Dominican Republic WBC teams were eliminated yesterday. Anyone else thoroughly shocked at the early demise of the stacked D.R. squad?
And below is day 4....
  • The major leaguers rotated the baseball around a circle on the diamond consisting of 9 to 10 players, each. They rotated in two groups. One drill was to toss to any random player, and the other drill was to toss to a random player, and then state the name of another player. Minutes later, the team worked on outfield drills, where they relayed cutoff throws down two lines in the outfield, located in left-center and right-center. There were roughly a dozen onlookers like myself, some of which were taking pictures.
  • I then retreated to Minor League camp and watched several pitchers throw from the mound and do drills, either throwing to second base, fielding bunted baseballs, or simply going through the motions fulfilling simulated situations. I captured many pictures of these events, which were taking place simultaneously on all four diamonds.
  • Pitchers Tim Melville, Paul Raglione, and Pernell Halliman towered over other pitchers in camp. There was also a pitcher whose last name was 'Villa' who appeared astonishingly short. Who was this guy?
  • I watched several batting drills, as well. Marc Maddox and Jose Duarte, among others, stepped in. I only devoted 25-30 minutes, overall, so I didn't have time to analyze them.
  • Size is his advantage, but Brian Buchanan looked a bit awkward in the batting cage.
  • The big-leaguers looked incredibly quick with the timing, handwork, and release of their throws, when witnessing them in person.
And now several notes from the game. The Royals, quite obviously, won 9-3, thanks to several stellar individual offensive performances and a lights-out performance from Hiram Kyle Davies. Davies seeks to crack the #3 slot in the rotation, and at this point, at least #4 is all but a certainty.
  • As I mentioned, Davies turned out quite dominant today. He struck out several White Sox batters, and dropped his curveball in the strike zone quite well. Also, he was spotting his fastball extremely well.
  • Horacio Ramirez was by no means dominating. I convinced my father and uncle that he did not possess any particular 'out' pitch, and that the quality (or lack thereof) would hinder him from striking out many batters this season, which is why his upside as a starting rotation is severely limited. He relies on defense.
  • Mark Teahen will *not* be playing second base this season. It was a curious experiment worth devoting time to, in my opinion. However, it is one that has and will not work. Teahen jabs at the ball like an outfielder or third baseman and does not lower his backside when fielding the ball. In the first inning, a ball was hit about 10 feet to his left, and he could not make the play. Simply inexcusable. His two-run home run was promising, though. He possesses the potential - can he ever convert that potential into consistent results.
  • Alex Gordon worked the count generally well but didn't display the power I would have liked to see. He covered quite a spell of ground at third base, though.
  • Billy Butler made a nice leaping catch at first base, that was rather unexpected. We were obviously pleased. I would like to see Butler play primarily first base throughout the season, because although he doesn't possess the agility, he has the soft hands necessary to field the position. (He was drafted, originally, as a third baseman).
  • Chris Lubanski hit a towering three-run home run to right field that was, in essence, a no-doubter.
  • Corey Smith looked quite competent at the plate. I'm looking forward to seeing him fulfill Chad Spann's vital role to the success of the O-Royals.
  • Crisp worked the count quite well, drawing two walks.
  • Mike Jacobs hit the ball hard when he was at the plate, but unfortunately did not work the count well, at all. Over or under on a .310 OBP this season? I hope he hits 30+ homers.
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Great report

Good to hear on Moose.

I’m thinking Heath Phillips may be pitching his way onto the ballclub. Question is, is there room for him to make it? I think we’ll see him in KC at some point this season.

I had no idea we brought Brian Buchanan back.

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by RoyalsRetro on Mar 13, 2009 11:34 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

the spacing problems are intolerable!!!1111

I wonder if Gordon is laying off some strikes because they aren’t pitches he feels he can drive (they’re in his "holes"), of if it’s just bad judgment? Thoughts from more scouting-savvy observer?

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by devil_fingers on Mar 13, 2009 1:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good question

I’m usually a proponent of plate discipline (obviously) when it involves taking pitches early in the count and not automatically swinging 3-0, but Gordon will at often times take that second strike, thrown right down the middle, only to hack and miss at something outside the strike zone the following pitch. Frustrating. I think it’s just bad judgment, but again, I could be wrong.

by Royals Nation on Mar 14, 2009 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's too bad that Teahen can't hack the position

not much of a shocker though. Schumaker is struggling as well, maybe the guys at Fangraphs underestimate the difficulty to play 2b.

I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by kcscoliny on Mar 13, 2009 2:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think we can say that Teahen has failed at second base yet

There’s a learning curve. He’s not going to be great in his first couple of weeks at the position. And “the guys at Fangraphs” didn’t say that every player who can handle 3B will necessarily be able to handle 2B.

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by NYRoyal on Mar 13, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder

If they’re going to work him out there during the season and maybe slip him in there now and again during blow outs. It is folly to think he could have picked this up in a few weeks in Arizona, but I wonder if they kept working with him during the course of the season, he could play it passably.

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by RoyalsRetro on Mar 13, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think they wanted to see how he’d take to it, but I’ve always thought that the most reasonable best case scenario was that he could play the position well enough to play 2B just here and there (after pinch hitting, when late game substitutions require shuffling players defensively and the rare spot start, especially if an IFer is on the DL).

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by NYRoyal on Mar 13, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sporting News has the rankings of every team this decade

KC – 30th place 257 GB on the 1st place Yankees. That’s solid lol, probably not gonna catch the Rays who rank 29th but KC is 13 GB of the 28th place Pirates. Woohoo gotta catch the Bucs before the end of the decade !!

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by kcscoliny on Mar 13, 2009 2:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Sporting News is still in business?

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by devil_fingers on Mar 13, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ya I guess they have their own radio network too

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by kcscoliny on Mar 13, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We had a What If regarding Jo-El the other day

So, here’s another.

What if Bannister and HoRam simply aren’t good enough and don’t deserve to start the season in the rotation? Obviously, I think we’re all pretty comfy with Greinke, Meche, Davies right now. And, it seems like Hochevar has been good. But, who? Tejeda? Ducky? We just don’t seem to have good options for No.5.

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by kabrink on Mar 13, 2009 3:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We don't have good options for a #5?

Bannister
HoRam
Duckworth
Rosa

I think those good-to-decent options for a #5. How good do you think a #5 SP should be? Over the last three years, the average #5 SP had an ERA of about 5.20 (FIP about 4.92). Do you really think that none of those four could manage that? I think that two or three of them could. Long story short, I think the Royals have pretty good options for the #5 SP spot. Sure I’d like to have a league average SP for the #5 starter spot, but that’s extremely rare.

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by NYRoyal on Mar 13, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wouldn't totally discount John Bale either.

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by RoyalsRetro on Mar 13, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

True

I just think the Royals have given up on him as a starter, even if healthy and pitching well. But, given his FIP and tRA last year as a starter, I think he’d make a decent #5 SP (probably better than HoRam and Duckworth).

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by NYRoyal on Mar 13, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

The spirit of my question was if Banny and HoRam can’t do it. Hasn’t Banny been getting shelled? And, most people on here seem to not like HoRam in that role to begin with.

But, you answered my question anyway. Ducky and Rosa are next in line.

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by kabrink on Mar 13, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hasn’t Banny been getting shelled?

Wait, are you making an argument on how a pitcher should be used in the regular season based on spring training stats? Really? If so, I’ll direct your attention first to my articles on how ST stats are meaningless and then to his 2007 ST stats which stunk, then to the stats of several thousand other players who performed poorly in ST and then well during the regular season (and vice versa).

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by NYRoyal on Mar 13, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tejeda started today

Is he rotation worthy? He obviously was tried and failed in this role with TEX, but with a different pitching coach and different pitching conditions….

His FIP in ‘06 and ’07 was 5.25 and 6.19, overall well below adequate even for a #5. However, he had a FIP of 3.95 all of last year. The four Fangraphs-provided projection systems – James, Oliver, CHONE, and ZiPS – are seemingly all over the place with regard to ’09 Tejeda, this year. I actually wouldn’t mind seeing him thrust into that role, especially after today (sample size be damned, but 7 K’s in 4 IP, um, isn’t bad). He certainly has the build – and secondary pitches, I think, of a starter. Any potential stamina worries? Especially if we find a replacement for the ’pen (Rosa?), why not?

by Royals Nation on Mar 14, 2009 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tejeda

I don’t think he has the pitches or the control to be a starter. I think he’s proven that. He gets good break on his slider and there’s good movement and velocity differential on his change, but he doesn’t control them very well. He also doesn’t control his fastball very well. When he gets into the second, third or fourth times through a lineup and he has to go to his slider and change more, he’ll likely get into trouble. Also, as he gets into the 5th, 6th and 7th innings, like any pitcher, he’ll be losing velocity off of his fastball. He can really dominate with his velocity as a reliever, pitching short outings. But as a starter, the velocity goes down, especially in the middle-to-late innings. This also decreases the effectiveness of his change.

I think the “why not” is that there are five better SP’s ahead of him. The Royals have taken a failed starter and put him into a middle relief role where he can really excel. They’ve found what he’s good at. They shouldn’t screw that up by moving him back to a starting pitcher role where he really sucks. I wouldn’t be too optimistic about McClure fixing him. I’m sure McClure worked with him last year and it didn’t improve his control or his walk rate much at all. But putting him in a middle relief role minimized the consequences of his wildness.

When a guy fails as a starter and then moves to the pen and succeeds (see Tejeda and Gobble, among many others), then the team and its fans should just thank their lucky stars that they got something good out of the player, rather than opting to re-experience the player’s failure as a starter.

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by NYRoyal on Mar 14, 2009 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wanted Bale to succeed last year

but, look what happened. He got a rubbery arm but not so rubbery that hitting a door didn’t hurt. Let’s not expose Tejeda to that.

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by kabrink on Mar 14, 2009 2:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like Carlos Rosa very much

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by RoyalsRetro on Mar 13, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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