I live in NY and a talk show host said Teahen would be a possibilty to fill in for Arod while he is injured....
I say throw in Bannister and get maybe Hughes or Kennedy back
about 3 years ago
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Throw In Gload
And Pena.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Mar 5, 2009 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
And Guillen
…and I’m on board.
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by Scott McKinney on Mar 5, 2009 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
a former first round pick from 2006
for a subpar position player and one of the worst starters in MLB.
Yes
by GobbleforCyoung on Mar 6, 2009 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
Good God. THAT'S the criterion you want to use...
to assess trade value/candidates????
Chris Lubanski was a first round pick, too.
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by Sweep_the_Leg on Mar 6, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
Bizarrely, there's still one human being who believes in Chris Lubanski
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by Scott McKinney on Mar 6, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
Wow.
Did I miss the link to the Eternal Optimists’ Club on that site?
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by Sweep_the_Leg on Mar 6, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
It was a little weird to have people still believing in him 12 months ago
But now? I don’t get it. You’ve got to know when to give up on former top prospects. Scrape ’em off and move on.
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by Scott McKinney on Mar 6, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
Can't see us getting Kennedy
Seems like a minor leaguer or two is the most likely return, and some salary relief for our over-budget payroll.
One guy on Royals Corner suggested Teahen for Swisher, which would be an interesting swap, although I don’t see room for Swish and his on-base skills here.
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Gammons
…just mentioned Teahen or Bobby Crosby from the A’s if A-rod is out for any length of time. Also mentioned Grudz. Would be nice for someone to sign him so we can get our pick…
At least Yankee fans aren't overreacting
Mark Teahen, Royals – He is making $3.575 million and has no set position for a small-market team. I wonder if the Royals would even consider a mega-deal built around Alex Gordon and Phil Hughes – of course, to get someone like Gordon the Yankees would have to think that A-Rod is finished as a third baseman.
Uh, yeaaaaaah.
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And if you could go ahead and throw in Billy Butler, too...
then that would be super, mmmmm-kay… We’re down A-Rod and we’re trying to play a little catch-up here. Thaaanks.
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by Sweep_the_Leg on Mar 5, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
OH...
and before I forget…we’re gonna need that Zack Greinke kid, too…mmmkay? Thanks.
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by Sweep_the_Leg on Mar 5, 2009 4:28 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
The NY Post is garbage
It’s more a tabloid than a newspaper. It’s really one of the primary reasons why people have such negative impressions of the NY sports media.
Waiting for April.
Same with the Daily News
They’re so full of trash. About the the only good thing is the 14 pages of escort adds.
The Snozberries taste like Snozberries
Grudz
seems probable because the Yanks FO believes Cano can handle 3b.
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.
Cano is done in this town anyway.
The fans have turned on him.
The Snozberries taste like Snozberries
We need to find some use for Teahen one way or another
I say, three way trade. Teahen and Buck to the NYY, NYY trade Phil Hughes to NYM, and the NYM give us back Beltran.
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by labbadabba on Mar 5, 2009 4:43 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
POETIC JUSTICE!!!
A storybook ending for Royals fans. I love it.
And good lord, talk about great OF defense. DDJ, Coco, and Beltran???
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by Sweep_the_Leg on Mar 5, 2009 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
The only bow the Baird era deserves
is the one that shoots an arrow through its undead heart.
Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!
I don't think
He deserves anything that poetic. Maybe he should just get run over by Colt Griffin’s dune buggy.
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they'd have to throw in
that ‘cousin’ i’ve been hearing about….
The first thing I know about someone in a KC hat is that they're loyal.
here's my idea - we trade with all 30 teams in baseball as follows:
we send mark teahen to pittsburgh
a bunch of other teams send other players to other teams
we get the following:
pujols
halladay
ryan doumit
hanley ramirez
matt holliday
tim lincecum
babe ruth
steve nebraska
What's the point?
This team is not going anywhere, so why acquire these players?
< / rob neyer >
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Halladay and Holliday?
No way, too confusing
Kansas City Royals: your 2006 and 2007 NL Central champions!
ha ha....steve nebraska
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on Mar 5, 2009 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
Hughes
While the above rumor is just plain make believe, Phil Hughes would be a tremendous buy-low candidate.
its a shame the yankees aren't like the cubs in that regard
you basically have to be an unstoppable force in your first 150 ab’s or 5-10 starts to not get sent down and shunned forever.
Teahen for Hughes straight up would not happen
Maybe if we threw in a semi-useful bullpen arm, like Waechter or Gobble, the Yankees would bite.
Teahen for Melky straight up could happen, but the Royals have no use for him.
Most likely they will sign a FA – hopefully Grudz.
Waiting for April.
Kennedy is a low ceiling player who has struggled mightily so far in the majors
I don’t think I’d even trade Pimentel for him.
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I would certainly trade Teahen for someone
I was in favor of trading him back in November for Gutierrez. Would I trade Teahen straight up for Kennedy? Hell no. That would be giving him away. Kennedy has good fifth starter potential. That’s about it. And I don’t know if he’ll hit that ceiling.
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by Scott McKinney on Mar 5, 2009 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
I don't get it
I haven’t seen him pitch more than a couple innings on TV. But i look at his minor league numbers and i see a pretty spectacular resume. Am i missing something really huge that means he is only a guy (after less than 60 MLB innings) that might possibly only be a 5th starter, if he is lucky? The only knock i see is injury, as a pitcher he looks pretty hot to me even if his stuff isnt all that explosive.
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really bad stuff guy can dominate minor league ball
sometimes be okay in the majors too, but their margin of error is so small that any kind of lapse/lose of control/stuff/injury knock them right into the AAAA crowd.
See
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/C/tyler-clippard.shtml
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/S/andy-sonnanstine.shtml
by playingwithfire on Mar 5, 2009 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
Andy Sonnanstine was one of the most valuable starters in the AL last year (3.91 FIP)
and was league average in 2007 (4.26 FIP) despite the Rays historically bad defense obscuring it.
I'm bring in 2 guys
1 with success and one who hasn’t
Can we just agree that Sonnanstine’s margin of error is extremely small?
by playingwithfire on Mar 6, 2009 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
First, I’m not going by my own amateur scouting. I don’t trust my ability to scout a pitcher and you shouldn’t trust me on that either. Second, I’m going with what I’ve read from many sources. They describe his stuff and control as being not very impressive. Both are ok, but neither are great. Kennedy’s fastball has below average velocity, averaging 89 mph. He has a pretty good changeup. He also mixes in an unimpressive slider and curve.
I think the majority opinion is that he’s a low ceiling guy. I think my opinion that he tops out as a good #5, borderline #4 is pretty harsh. But certainly the vast majority see little upside in him.
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by Scott McKinney on Mar 5, 2009 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
think he can be fine in the right context
aka National League central or something.
by playingwithfire on Mar 5, 2009 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
National League would help him
The NL West would be probably help him too, especially if he pitched in San Diego or San Francisco. But that would help just about any pitcher. It’s like sending a mediocre or poor hitter to Coors Field.
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by Scott McKinney on Mar 6, 2009 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
whoa!
I was only agreeing that I’d be all aboard trading Teahen. I didn’t suggest Kennedy or anyone. I’m just saying if we can get value for this guy that fills one of our needs, we should be all over it.
Fourth to First
I hear you; I just just responding to Retro's question
I wasn’t sure if he was asking if I’d trade Teahen in general or if I’d trade him for Kennedy. So I answered both questions. I fully agree that I’d be happy to trade Teahen for the right return. The Royals could use Teahen, but don’t really need him. And he’s going to get more expensive next year. I’d rather trade him now than non-tender him or overpay him next year (which isn’t definite, but quite possible).
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by Scott McKinney on Mar 5, 2009 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
I would swap em straight up
I think you are underselling Kennedy and overselling Teahen. Teahen probably is only worth a back of the rotation guy.
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Ian Kennedy can't even crack the rotation - thats why I started the post
he was beat out by Darren Rasner!!!
Maybe it would take Bannister as well but I would rather have a legit pitching prospect with MLB pitches than a horrible starter in Bannister
by GobbleforCyoung on Mar 6, 2009 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
no
Kennedy=mopup/spot starter
why get him if we can have Hughes for a bit more. Give them a bullpen arm as long as it’s not terribly good.
Hell, they can have Farnsy back.
by playingwithfire on Mar 5, 2009 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
And Hughes is anything but a lock for being a good MLB pitcher at this point
He still has a lot of upside, but he’s also a guy who has good shot of never realizing that potential. I’m not saying don’t trade for him. But you have to realize that effectively, he’s still a prospect and could very easily fail.
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by Scott McKinney on Mar 5, 2009 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
definitely a fair return for Teahen IMO
I’ll take Hughes’ upside over Gutierrez’s overall tweener-ness.
by playingwithfire on Mar 5, 2009 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
not knocking your judgement at all
I agree with everything you’ve said. I just think at this point, Teahen isn’t that valuable and if you evaluate Hughes as a prospect, he’s probably a solid 4 star at this point and slot somewhere in the 50-100 on a top 100 list. Would you say that’s a fair evaluation? I mean Adam Miller is 82 on BA’s list, I’d think Hughes ranks higher.
by playingwithfire on Mar 5, 2009 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
I think that's fair
The bottom line with Hughes is that his outcome as a major leaguer could be anywhere on the spectrum. He could end up being a legitimate ace. He could also be a complete failure who is out of baseball in a few years (either to do complete, persistent major league failure or due to injury). His ability to translate his talents and minor league performance into major league success is in question. His ability to stay healthy is in question. And yet everyone recognizes he’s got real talent.
Kevin Goldstein at BP didn’t put him in the Yankees prospect rankings because he no longer qualifies as a prospect due to his MLB service time. But in his ranking of Yankees players 25 and younger, he put Hughes at #2 behind Joba and above the Yankees #1 prospect, who was a 5-star prospect. So Goldstein likes him, but is also concerned:
I’m no longer sure what to make of Phil Hughes; one day he dominates and the scouts rave, the next outing his velocity and command disappear and he looks like a shell of his former self.
This is a common sentiment from analysts. He’s a talented pitcher, but can he put it together in the majors?
So yeah, I’d take him for Teahen because I really don’t see the Royals contending this year and the Royals need to take some chances on guys who might become stars and not fill the roster with known mediocrities (or even worse).
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by Scott McKinney on Mar 6, 2009 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
i'd do cartwheels if we got hughes for teahen...
while teahen has value, there’s no shot he’s gonna net us anything close to phil hughes
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on Mar 6, 2009 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
Thats the only reason this trade would work
Teahen has ultimately failed…he sucked last year!!
by GobbleforCyoung on Mar 6, 2009 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
Well if he sucked last year then that's all that really matters, right?
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by Scott McKinney on Mar 6, 2009 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
2005 is all that matters
and that was his worst year~!!
Kansas City Royals: your 2006 and 2007 NL Central champions!
The Yanks should also consider...
Esteban German. Do we still have him?
For a little while longer
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by Scott McKinney on Mar 5, 2009 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
Did he already go through waivers
or would the yanks only have to claim him?
by ddw on Mar 5, 2009 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
He was DFA'd, which means he has to be traded, waived or released within 10 days
I don’t know if they exposed him to waivers yet. They might be discussing possible trades with some team(s). Or he may have been waived and has already cleared waivers.
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by Scott McKinney on Mar 5, 2009 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
I think
If German clears waivers he can be outrighted to the Minors, not that they would want to with that contract. He doesn’t have 5 years service and i don’t think he has been outrighted before, so he couldn’t block it.
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Dean Taylor
Was explaining MLB rules during the game the other day and said a player can refuse after three years f MLB service, which German has.
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