I even looked it up, and simply did it wrong in my head

And that’s why they call me a sabermagician!

ILLLLUUUUUUUUUUUUSION, MICHAEL!

Mark Teahen and Jose Guillen are totally different animals. I’m not for Teahen in the corner outfield because I believe his defense is very overrated and I don’t think he is the ‘06 hitter but at best the ’07 hitter.

Let’s see if we can find some common ground. Can we agree that Teahen is a better defensive corner OFer than Guillen? If so, then let’s look at hitting. You say the true Teahen is more like his 2007 stats than his 2006 stats. I agree. He had a good OBP and light line drive power that year which amounted to a .333 wOBA. The average of Guillen’s projections have him with a 2009 wOBA of .330 for 2009. So it appears that we’re looking at similar offensive value, and with Teahen having a better defensive value. Doesn’t that make Teahen the better overall corner OFer?

we don’t have to get into it now. I was more just reaction to the “Cheer for the Mariners” thing.

I know that I tend to harp (although I usually don’t realize it until too late). Just tell me nice-like and I’ll be shamed into shutting up for a while. Doublestix and jonfmorse have both successfully pulled it off.

I think his drafts have been successful, but of course we won’t know for sure for years. I also like most of his trades involving prospects (of course there haven’t been many). One big positive is that he hasn’t been trading away many genuinely good prospects at all. Any “win now” moves have not included trading away prospects for short-term gain.

And, of course, just because some small market teams have ever had any degree of success for any period of time does not mean that payroll and revenue potential aren’t important factors for success. A small payroll makes it harder to succeed. So you have to have a good GM in order for a small market, low payroll team to succeed. Oakland, Tampa Bay, Minnesota and Milwaukee have all succeeded despite lower payrolls precisely because they had good GM’s and effective front offices. If you don’t have the money, then your front office has to be that much better in order for your team to succeed. And, as I said, it doesn’t look like Moore is good enough to overcome those structural obstacles to the success of small market teams. I didn’t use market size as an excuse for Moore at all. That’s a ludicrous misreading of what I wrote.

I know of that shouldn’t have been traded. Most the others that he has traded away have been absolute flops I’m pretty sure he knows what he is doing on the prospect trading scale as Atlanta has made a living knowing who to trade and not for years prior to the Teix deal.

As far as development goes we are still in a wait and see period on that. GMDM inherited a weak organization from top to bottom. I’m sure the stadium renovation plans were in place so maybe that stuff forced his hand to put Gordon and Butler on the field a little too early. It’s not like they had guys holding them back. The TB, Oakland, Minnesota’s, etc have had major league talent so they could afford to hold their prospects back we’ll see how KC adjust now that they have at least deserving major league talent.