Royals Receive Horrible, Potentially Season-Altering News on Alex Gordon
What was looking like such a promising start now seems a little bit like the first fifteen minutes of a horror movie, where everyone's safe and happy and unconcerned.
In a stunning development, what initially looked like a minor injury to Alex Gordon is now much more serious. As reported on various outlets, Gordon will need hip surgery:
Alex Gordon's right hip injury proved to be much more serious than imagined.
Gordon, the Royals' third baseman, was placed on the 15-day disabled list on Thursday with a labral cartilage tear of the right hip. He will undergo arthroscopic surgery to repair the tear on Friday by Dr. Marc Philippon in Vail, Colo.
The Royals said no estimate on how long Gordon might be out would be available until after the procedure. He was injured Saturday and missed the next two games but played the last two games.
This is not good, not good at all.
This is get out of bed news, which is exactly where I was... in a hotel room in Baltimore (I have an early flight out of BWI tomorrow) when I saw the news on Baseball Tonight. So here I am, in the "Business Center", posting to RR... what is this, 2002?
The Jose Guillen injury actually did not hurt the team much, but the combination of Guillen & Gordon being out means that Teahen moves semi-permanently to third, and a host of worse options will patrol Guillen's spot instead. Between the two moves, three positions -- right, second, and third -- all get weaker, as do Trey Hillman's options on the bench.
For the rest of Guillen's DL stint, we'll see a lot more Willie Bloomquist and Mitch Maier, as well as a full time helping of Callaspo.
Outfield is one issue, but the loss of Gordon is on another order of magnitude. There seems to be no indication that his presence on the 15-day DL is anything but a last gasp of hopefulness and or a procedural matter. Presumably, he'll still be very very very far from baseball activity in fifteen days.
Clearly, this is absolutely horrible news for the Royals. Horrible. It's difficult enough to imagine them having a good offense with Alex Gordon, but without him, yikes. Look, this is baseball, not the NBA or the NFL. Everybody bats, in order, every game. That's the rules. So yes, if all sorts of unrelated good things happen, the Royals could still field a good lineup. Its just everything is much less likely now. This is like walking into an Italian place and having the waiter say, "I'd stay away from the pasta tonight." I'd love to try to run the numbers regarding new lineup configurations and the cost in runs, but as I said, I'm in a hotel computer room right now.
Longer term, its also a potentially devastating turn, for the player and the franchise who have been desperately waiting for him to save them. This is (or should I say, was) Gordon's third Major League season and his age 25 campaign. Instead of potentially "turning the corner" or "taking the next step" or whatever cliche you prefer (hey, I'm an amateur here, man) there is now the possibility that we might simply have a lost year.
Nothing is definite yet, so keep hope alive. And even if he is gone, for a long time, guys have been known to step up: maybe Teahen finds a groove at third, Callaspo plays well at second, and Mitch holds down the fort until Guillen comes back and plays great. Maybe Butler breaks out irregardless of his prospect peer going down, and the team ends up winning because of its pitching anyway. Maybe.
Nevertheless, this may be the biggest Royal injury of the decade, ranking right there with Sweeney's various troubles during the miracle 2003 season.
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ps- This offseason, in his Team Health Report, Will Carroll had some less than glowing things to say about the KC medical staff. Gordon was injured on Saturday, but played on Tuesday and Wednesday. Was his hip possibly made worse by Gordon continuing to play after the initial injury? Should he have been shut down earlier?
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Wow
That could explain his two hideous, rock bottom offensive games (struck out three times the exact same way on Tuesday). I hope he has a speedy recovery.
Callaspo at 2B full-time doesn’t worry me. I think he is a capable hitter (though I’d like to see more power). It is the overdose of Willie Ballgame that concerns me. Hopefully Maier comes up and out right wins the position in RF.
(COSTA NOW?)
Farny being Farny.
REALLY, REALLY good thing
that the Teahen trade never came to fruition.
KCsince88 - You'd LOVE Todd Reesing, then.
DolfinPhan - Doug Flutie of the future. Mark my words.
Book it!
The best difference between Allard Baird and DMGM:
Allard woulda freaked out right now, and brought up Mous.
KCsince88 - You'd LOVE Todd Reesing, then.
DolfinPhan - Doug Flutie of the future. Mark my words.
Book it!
by Andy Edwards on Apr 16, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, why wouldn't I be?
And, I don’t know… He wasn’t TOO bad last year at the end of the season. I think playing RF will be much better for him than the “regular CF-er” like he was last year.
KCsince88 - You'd LOVE Todd Reesing, then.
DolfinPhan - Doug Flutie of the future. Mark my words.
Book it!
by Andy Edwards on Apr 16, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
well,
its a good thing we didn’t trade Teahen – crap KC beat me to it!
I've got crazy flipper fingers!
A few reasons to think it may not be the end of the world (or the 2009 season):
1. Teahen – Maybe having a semi-permanent position again (assuming Trey doesn’t mess with the lineup much) will allow him to settle in at the plate. Although I’m not sure how much it affects his offense to move around the field, he and others have either hinted at or flat out said that it’s easier to get in a groove at the plate when your defensive role is clearly established.
2. Callaspo – This almost certainly assures Callaspo regular playing time at 2B. Whether Teahen spends most of his time in RF (with Aviles at 3B and TPJ at SS), or 3B, then Callaspo will likely be the regular 2B. I think before the season started most of us wanted to use this season to find out if he can really be a quality starting 2B (assuming someone like Hudson wasn’t signed). Here’s his chance.
3. Maier – This should provide Mitch with a legitimate, extended opportunity to show what he can do at the MLB level. He’s taken a while to develop, but maybe he’ll finally blossom at the highest level once he’s given the opportunity.
Obviously, it still sucks. But I think there will be at least one (mildly?) pleasant surprise that comes out of it.
Or maybe we’ll be sitting here in August, wondering where it all went wrong this year, and pointing directly at this day.
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by Sweep_the_Leg on Apr 16, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You forgot #4
4. Gordon’s bat has been nonexistent this year and the Royals are above .500.
That is reason enough to make me think it’s not the end of the world.
As NHZ pointed out in his post today...
virtually the ENTIRE offense HAS to be improving at some point this season. Let’s just hope that the pitching can maintain its ridiculous level until that actually happens.
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by Sweep_the_Leg on Apr 17, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Good point
I don’t think people appreciate this pitching staff enough minus Farnsworth.
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by KCSportsPodcast.com on Apr 17, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
except
you are evaluating Gordon on this year’s 8 games or so of work. You need to evaluate him with these:
1. losing Gordon’s production based on last year’s total;
2. losing Gordon’s anticipated improved performance this year;
3. replacing a lot of Gordon’s ABs with Bloomquist;
The General Theory of Royaltivity
third behind DDJ and Aviles' career years
Teahen’s a decent enough fill-in, but IN my WAR post (I won’t do it again), he’s about two wins worse than Gordon over a Full season at 3B — I’m not kidding. Gordon’s a better baserunner, basestealer, 3B defender, and, oh yes, hitter than Teahen. Gordon projects as 3-3.5 WAR there, Teahen, 1-1.5 (he’s 1.5-2 int he OF). The “chaining” won’t be the end of the world, I guess. Callaspo should be startingn at second, anyway.
RF is going to be a mess. That’s where I think Teahen should be starting. Now Guillen, instead of (hey, let’s be realistic), paying RF vs. RHP and maybe platooning with Jacobs at DH, will probably be in RF every day, or taking PAs away from Butler and Jacobs — superior hitters — when he isn’t.
In the meantime, MITCH isn’t the worst fill-in in the world. He looks like an acceptable 4th OF. I think Costa could do the job, too. Arguably, defense + offense makes either of those two not much (the projects say “none,” but I won’t push it) a dropoff from Guillen.
But yeah, this hurts. LIke I said, although I like Gordon, I try to be objective with the projections and stuff. And any way you sliced it, all things considered, he looked like the clear choice as the Royals best overall nonpitcher.
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by Matt Klaassen on Apr 17, 2009 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't mind seeing Aviles play 3b
a little and play TPJ at SS and Teahen in RF. Instead of using Willie Ballgame at least they would be upgrading the defense quite a bit with the exception of Aviles at 3b.
When does Guillen come off the DL?
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.
Anything that involves TPJ getting playing time is dogshit in my mind
Bloomquist. God? Or just an illusion? You be the judge.
The choices are limited
I would prefer Maier get all the PT but I know that won’t happen between The Spork and TPJ I choose the better defense.
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.
Silver Lining?
Gordo will most likely have go through an extended stretch in the minors as he recovers. This hopefully give him time to sort out some of his issues at the plate.
I've got crazy flipper fingers!
It seems very possible, even probable
that his “issues at the plate” had to do with this injury.
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If that's the case he's had the injury for a LONG time
I’m not sure that it explains the fact that he still chases breaking balls low and away
I've got crazy flipper fingers!
or that it was such a ridiculously small sample size that it isnt worth talking about
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by Matt Klaassen on Apr 17, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
For this year, yes
but his tendency to swing and miss on breaking balls low and away has been their since ’07. If it were just something that he started doing during his 7 games this season then I would agree with you.
I've got crazy flipper fingers!
2-for-20something is quite small,
but c’mon, you don’t think torn cartilage in his hip might’ve had something to do with only two hits/
"Do they have people that tall in Mexico?"
depends on when it tore
I’m one of the biggest Gordon fans on here, I think, but even I wasn’t shocked by a 3 K game from him.
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by Matt Klaassen on Apr 18, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not saying that the sample size is relevant
I’m just adding to the facts – everyone slumps, and Gordon IS hurting. And so it’s really pretty silly, on multiple levels, to say Gordon now sucks.
"Do they have people that tall in Mexico?"
Grasping here
Perhaps we take advantage of this situation to package Olivo and TPJ and trade for something/anything that would be more helpful in our new situation that can actually produce, uh, something.
Umm, ok, yeah, there’s nothing we could get I guess.
DOH! Never should have shipped Gload.
The General Theory of Royaltivity
Ya I know..
I hear he is a cleanup hitter these days..
(Joel must be going crazy that Gload is batting cleanup HAHA)
Bloomquist. God? Or just an illusion? You be the judge.
I also wouldn't mind seeing Brayan Pena's role expanded to 3b/RF...
whichever he can play passable defense for us. They’ve pimped him as more than just a third catcher…and I’m intrigued to see what he can do with more playing time as well. Nothing against Maier playing in RF, but anything that may possibly lead to more Bloomy/TPJ is not good in my book. Pena impressed with the bat in his only start so far…why not give him a few more? Don’t pull the Aviles treatment on him, Treyball.
by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on Apr 17, 2009 12:02 AM EDT reply actions
Damn....
Hopefully Teahen blows up and does what we think he can at third. I was at the game tuesday and watched them stretch Gordon for a long time, he got up and you could tell he was in pain still. Maybe, this time off and a better hip can help us out in August or so.
Dallas McPherson would've been a nice
addition at this point.
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.
not that he's a 3B or any good defender anywhere
but who ended up picking up Jo(h)nny Gomes?
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by Matt Klaassen on Apr 17, 2009 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
The Reds released him
I don’t know if anyone picked him up. This is a time where Butler really needs to pickup his offensive game to make up for the loss of Alex.
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.
Or someone who can actually hit big league pitching
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riiiiight
1) that doesn’t really seem to be a requirement for the Royals roster, even for FA contracts
2) PECOTA, ZiPS, and CHONE all see Gomes as an above-average hitter this season, and clearly better than “major league hitter” Jose Guillen. Marcel sees them as equals. I love Marcel as much as the next guy, but…
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by Matt Klaassen on Apr 17, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
oh, wait, before you respond to that
are you talking about Dallas McPherson or Jonny Gomes
If it’s Dallas, sorry, and then just apply #1 above
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by Matt Klaassen on Apr 17, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
He's the 3B version of Jacobs
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by Matt Klaassen on Apr 18, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
In that he's a worse hitter, but player 3B slightly better
he’s worth having in the minors or onthe bench, at least, depending on whom you have to cut.
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by Matt Klaassen on Apr 18, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
+the name "Dallas McPherson" alone makes his 60th percentile projection = teh awesome
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by Matt Klaassen on Apr 18, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah he wouldn't be a terrible pinch hitter
The type you use with two outs and no one on for an NL team. He’ll never be a starter, though, and he’s certainly not worth mooning over.
"Do they have people that tall in Mexico?"
believe me, I know how much he sucks
remember when he was projected to be an awesome rookie?
In a fantasy league, I traded Micheal YOung + Travis Hafner for McPherson and Rich Harden — salary considerations…
it didn’t end well, to say the least.
Also: a belated “F—- you” to Laynce Nix.
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by Matt Klaassen on Apr 18, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
You know Laynce made it back to the majors
again this year? The more things change….
"Do they have people that tall in Mexico?"
Remember when John Sickels
had Alexis Rios, Laynce Nix, Gabe Gross, and John-Ford Griffin all pegged as major league regulars.
I’d give Mr. Sickels (for whom I really have the utmost respect) a belated message, too, but the guys got such a bad complexion I can’t bring myself to do it.
[Seriously, Mr. S., if you’re reading this, it’s all in good fun. Love your stuff.]
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by Matt Klaassen on Apr 18, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
and yes, I wish Alexis Rios was on the Royals
and my fantasy team.
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by Matt Klaassen on Apr 18, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Griffin is a blast from the past.
He was a total bust. Nix has such horrible OBP issues he hasn’t even been a good reserve. Rios is a weird case of someone who is good but should be better. Gross is an adequate platoon guy.
Does that make him like 1.5 for 4?
"Do they have people that tall in Mexico?"
Not bad, I guess
I think I remember his sayign that Nix, Rios, and Gross would probably be All-Stars. Not bad, I guess…
I remember Steve Goldman totally mocking Rios as being worthless. Not sure what yo mean by “should be better.” How much better? He’s gotten better each of the last three seasons, and averaged about 4.5 WAR during that time.
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by Matt Klaassen on Apr 18, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I mean that it seems like his established level
isn’t as high as the Jays hoped, and/or was initially projected when he first began to get more lift on the ball.
"Do they have people that tall in Mexico?"
I'd trade Paulo Orlando for him
Not much more than that, though.
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by Scott McKinney on Apr 17, 2009 2:51 AM EDT up reply actions
for mcpherson?
i don’t understand the lack of love — the guys got a .970 OPS in the minors. He hasn’t shown the same sort of plate discipline at the ML level, but he has less than a season’s worth of at bats. I’d bet he’d be pretty productive if given the opportunity over a full year.
The lack of love is based on the following:
Career MLB OBP .298
Projected 2009 OBP about .298
Porjected 2009 wOBA about .315
He’s 28. You know who else has about a .970 OPS in the minors? Ryan Shealy, who actually has a better minor league OBP. In all seriousness, do you think Shealy would be pretty productive if just given the opportunity over a full year? When McPherson was DFA’d, no team would trade even a PTBNL for him, so the Marlins just had to release him. There’s a good reason for that. He’s not a major league hitter, and he’s likely peaked. Now that I think of it, Paulo Orlando is probably a little too much for McPherson. How about Juan Rivera. That makes sense, as he is who we got for Angel Berroa.
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by Scott McKinney on Apr 17, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
that's over just 360 ML at bats
If that was a significant threshold for determining how good a player is, then we should have cut Gordon loose 2/3rds of the way through 2007, cuz he clearly wasn’t able to hit. Anyway, looks like McP is getting another shot in Florida this year, and not doing too bad, either.
As for Shealy: if he could play 3rd, I’d be all for calling him up…
In addition to the stats, the scouting reports are not kind
Poor pitch recognition, slow bat. That’s why no team was willing to give up even a piece of roster filler for him. He hasn’t been thought of as a good prospect for a long time. Gordon has good skills, so should be expected to improve. McPherson has AAA skills.
Anyway, looks like McP is getting another shot in Florida this year, and not doing too bad, either.
Huh? Not doing too bad for the Marlins? The Marlins DFA’d McPherson before the season started, no one was willing to trade anything for him and so they released him on March 31. For almost two weeks he sat unsigned (even though the Yankees have no third baseman). Then the Giants signed him to a minor league contract.
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by Scott McKinney on Apr 17, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
The space-time continuum IS pretty hard
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by Sweep_the_Leg on Apr 17, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, don't trade for him
just give him a small 2-year extension. His impact will be minor one way or the other.
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by Matt Klaassen on Apr 17, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Losing Gordon this year hurts less than it did last year
Sounds weird but with Crisp and Jacobs, the lineup is deeper and that loss of Gordon can be weathered better. It will suck though. But, it might give the Royals an opportunity to correct a mistake they made 2 years ago. If Teahen performs as an everyday thirdbaseman again then maybe the Royals can do what they should have done two years ago and trade either Gordon or Teahen when Gordon is ready again (whenever that is).
I don't think we should assume that Gordon is out for the year
If this truly is like ARod’s injury, he’ll likely be back. ARod is already back with the Yankees. He’s still rehabbing, but he’s close enough to playing that he’s working out with the team. Now we don’t know if he’ll stay healthy after he starts playing, but he will be playing again in the not too distant future.
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by Scott McKinney on Apr 17, 2009 12:26 AM EDT reply actions
Rany's 810 podcast mentions it's the same injury/doctor that A-Rod used....
two months is an estimate from BP’s Will Carroll.
by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on Apr 17, 2009 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I mentioned in the other blog
The way I understood it Arod had two options with his injury. Short-term fix surgery or long-term surgery. Arod too the short-term fix so that he could play this year and is going to have the long-term surgery this off-season. So, which surgery is Alex having? That will determine how long he is out.
If they are saying two months, then it is the "short-term fix that you can play with"
ARod was also told two months after the short-term fix surgery. The long-term fix surgery and rehab, from what they said about ARod would end his season.
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by Scott McKinney on Apr 17, 2009 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Neither do I
If only we had two Mark Teahens! No seriously, Teahen was a good patch for Guillen, but he can’t play two positions at once.
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if by "good patch" you mean "the guy who should be starting in RF rather than"
I completely agree
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by Matt Klaassen on Apr 17, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I was resigning myself to the fact that
the Royals FO doesn’t recognize that Teahen is a better player than Guillen.
"Do they have people that tall in Mexico?"
Another positive thought
Alex had an OPS of .509 on the season — yet we’re still in first place. If the pitching holds up, we still have a chance to be competitive.
We just have to hope his surgery is successful now.
and all Mike Jacobs has to do is keep up his 1.109 OPS!
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by Matt Klaassen on Apr 17, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't mind giving the new guy Travis Metcalf a shot
What do we have to lose?
by Soria's Unibrow on Apr 17, 2009 2:03 AM EDT reply actions
Games
Unless Metcalf is spectacular defensively at 3B, I think Maier > Metcalf.
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by Scott McKinney on Apr 17, 2009 2:53 AM EDT up reply actions
From what I'm seeing he's average or a little below in the field
But he can play SS, too, which makes him a little more valuable. Also, weirdly, of his 13 hits last season, 8 went for extra bases. Judging by the amount of playing time he gets, I’d assume that’s mostly luck?
Anyway, I’m not encouraged by the Rangers blog post I read that describes him as the person they’ll always think of when they need “a nondescript white guy to pop out to second base.”
by Soria's Unibrow on Apr 17, 2009 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
he's worth a minor league deal
he’d be TPJ-esque with the bat in the majors, it seems
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by Matt Klaassen on Apr 17, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
In the same way that ain't is a word
Main Entry: ir·re·gard·less
Pronunciation: \ˌir-i-ˈgärd-ləs\
Function: adverb
Etymology: probably blend of irrespective and regardless
Date: circa 1912
nonstandard : regardless
usage Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that "there is no such word." There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance. Use regardless instead.
Yes, the word very much exists
I used to think that made up words like this and new slang that comes into common usage shouldn’t be included as part of the language, but language grows and evolves obviously. We don’t talk like 18th century englishmen for a reason.
Regardless, i don’t think irregardless should be used as a word. It’s very awkward, and the shorter word conveys the same meaning.
It wasn't a word, but people kept using it, now it is a word and is included in dictionaries
Languages aren’t static. They grow. “Irregardless” was out, now it’s in.
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by Scott McKinney on Apr 17, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I am in agreeance with both of you
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by Sweep_the_Leg on Apr 17, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Y'all
are merely debating the difference between prescriptive English (how the grammar books and dictionaries say we should talk) and descriptive English (how we really talk). Each is perfectly acceptable in the right context.
It's pronounced Poo-ZHOLS in Catalan.
Not if you're wearing jeans, it's not
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by Sweep_the_Leg on Apr 17, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm an English teacher
so everything I say about English is correct, unless it’s wrong.
It's pronounced Poo-ZHOLS in Catalan.
Gordon's Development
RoyalsReview, I love the blog, but I think you’re being a bit overly dramatic here. In terms of affecting the Royals’ win column in ‘09, I’m just not seeing a huge difference. This team has been constructed to weather injuries like this probably better than any other team in baseball. It’s a team full of average to slightly below average offensive performers who are propped up by above-average pitching. Marginally, all of the heavy-lifting will have to be done by the team’s four stars, who are all on the pitching staff: Soria, Meche, Greinke, and Cruz.
I think really, the Royals fan-base was hoping that Gordon and Butler could be added to this list, which is- I think we all secretly know- why this injury stings so much. I don’t like to be so negative all of the time, but if you’re looking for the real silver-lining in this, it’s that our collective assumption that Gordon was on the verge of breaking-out was probably wishful-thinking anyway.
Subbing for Gordon and (wow) Guillen at the same time
is a tall order, though, relative to the production we can expect from their replacements.
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guillen
Jose should be back before too long, though, no? For most of these couple of months, we’re really talking about replacing Gordon with Alberto Callaspo offensively, while maybe slightly upgrading the defense.
who is a better 3B than Gordon on the Royals?
Gordon is around average at 3B. Teahen has been terrible.
Jose Guillen is sort of valuable — he actually has more specific value to the Royals with Gordon out, since he won’t be blocking a superior player (Teahen) from playing now.
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by Matt Klaassen on Apr 17, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Medical staff
“This offseason, in his Team Health Report, Will Carroll had some less than glowing things to say about the KC medical staff. Gordon was injured on Saturday, but played on Tuesday and Wednesday. Was his hip possibly made worse by Gordon continuing to play after the initial injury? Should he have been shut down earlier?”
I don’t know enough about the Royals medical staff to know what to think about this statement, but my gut instinct is to give them a pass on this. The best everday player on last year’s World Series champions (and yes, I mean Chase Utley, despite the votes Ryan Howard got for MVP) played with a torn hip labrum (had surgery after the season), so even if they knew that’s what Gordon had, I don’t know if there’s a way to know whether or not he can play through the injury until he’s actually tried to play through the injury.
How to know the medical staff has improved since the Baird days?
The injuries this season haven’t been termed “nothing serious”. In the “old” days, Gordon would’ve been day-to-day for about a month with “nothing serious”.
Calm Down
One of the reasons the Royals O was so bad, was because of Gordon batting in the middle of the lineup and striking out in RBI situations. So the offense can only do better than. It is last in the AL by a lot.
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by KCSportsPodcast.com on Apr 17, 2009 11:27 AM EDT reply actions
yup, because that was how Gordon was definitely going to continue to hit
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by Matt Klaassen on Apr 17, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Addition by subtraction!
Now if only we could get Butler, DeJesus and Aviles on the DL, this team could really go somewhere.
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by Scott McKinney on Apr 17, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
2007
Didn’t 2007 teach you anything? He needs to re-find his sing in Omaha after the DL. Then come back and be productive.
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by KCSportsPodcast.com on Apr 17, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
yes, I forgot how his 2008 improvements
only came after a lengthy stint in Omaha
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by Matt Klaassen on Apr 17, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
In his mind, he was in Omaha
And that made all the difference.
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by Scott McKinney on Apr 17, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Improvements?
He raised his awful to .247 to .260 with 1 more HR and 1 less RBI. What are you? The Royals PR guy?
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by KCSportsPodcast.com on Apr 17, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
OH boy...
You’re going to take a TON of heat with this crowd if you insist on trotting out the “Triple Crown” counting stats as an accurate measure of a player’s worth or performance. I’m going to stay out of this one, but I’d suggest starting with this article as a primer for the inevitable responses you’ll get.
I’ll just say that his wOBA went from .317 in 2007 to .344 in 2008 (which is a marked improvement in offensive performance).
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by Sweep_the_Leg on Apr 17, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I really need to find out where to listen to your podcast
sounds like I have a lot to learn about baseball
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by Matt Klaassen on Apr 17, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
No, he's someone that makes a whole lot more sense
than someone who uses terrible stats to illustrate a non-existent point.
"Do they have people that tall in Mexico?"
What a joke
There was no doubt he would come around. Some of you all act as if a 30-odd PA sample means he suddenly isn’t any good.
"Do they have people that tall in Mexico?"
On the Bright side...
Crisp, DeJesus, and Maier should be a great defensive outfield. Essentially 3 centerfielders.
yup
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by Matt Klaassen on Apr 17, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
With the incredible range they all have, they should be able to get to all those grounders that squirt past the stellar infield really quickly.
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by Sweep_the_Leg on Apr 17, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wish I could think of some words of wisdom and comfort.
But this just sucks, and not just for the Royals but for all of baseball. I love watching Gordon play, and Gordon without a clue at the plate is still a better than average player, so I can’t wait to see him figure it out.




















