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Updated ZiPS Projections

Player       Rest of Season          Total
Olivo        245/268/417       241/262/408
Butler       277/344/426       271/343/411
Callaspo     283/338/372       297/349/394
Aviles       282/313/414       272/301/393
Teahen       273/345/432       280/352/441
DeJesus      286/358/432       278/349/423
Crisp        269/340/399       268/346/416
Bloomquist   265/332/317       268/336/319
Jacobs       260/316/488       260/316/494

Pitcher      Rest of Season          Total 
Greinke      11-8, 3.71         15-8, 3.14
Gilgamesh    10-9, 3.95        11-10, 3.78
Davies       7-12, 5.37         8-13, 5.29
Ponson        3-8, 5.97         3-10, 6.12

Soria              2.29               2.25
Wright             4.56               4.14
Cruz               3.15               3.06
Mahay              3.79               4.09
Farnsworth         5.00               5.71
Ramirez            5.09               5.57

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Mar 2009 by Freneau - 50 comments

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Happy with almost all of the figures listed, particularly Teahen, Callaspo and Jacobs. Even Butler’s line would be OK, but I do hope Aviles does better than this. Also, If Coco’s line is anything like this, Hillman is a genius.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Apr 26, 2009 12:47 PM EDT reply actions  

How much did these change on average?

And why the change if your first system is supposed to be accurate? Ballpark factors, player adjustment or lack there of?

I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by kcscoliny on Apr 26, 2009 12:54 PM EDT reply actions  

i also admit to a bit of ignorance on this, but must say i'm impressed

That said – it would seem like if you make adjustments this early in the season, though, aren’t you working with a small sample size?

by marbotty on Apr 26, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

ponson's season will be cut short in about a week

hochevar should get the call, and ponson’s numbers on the season will (hopefully) end up being whatever they are at the end of the day

by marbotty on Apr 26, 2009 12:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Ponson hasn't been that bad

Banny may end up being a long reliever.

by AxDxMx on Apr 26, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Most changes are slight.

A projection isn’t really a line, but a whole spectrum of probabilities. For example, Mike Aviles going 10-for-59 with 2 doubles is enough to nudge the expectation going forward slightly, in this case, pushing it down from 289/320/433 to 283/313/414. I believe that’s the biggest change.

Essentially, I’m talking about Bayesian inference without using the term.

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by D.Szymborski on Apr 26, 2009 1:02 PM EDT reply actions  

interesting

thanks for posting these, by the way

by marbotty on Apr 26, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

are you adjusting for luck at all

or just doing binomial distribution with his normal numbers.

St. Louis Cardinals... defying win expectancy since 2008

by vivaelpujols on May 7, 2009 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

that collapse by Davies

scares me.

Callaspo is pretty much slugging as well as Olivo/Butler/Aviles/Crisp

that scares me more.

DH: Where's the party!
Danny: David Howard and Mike Sweeney! Go away! Guys, you're gonna wake up my Mom!

by David Howards Legacy on Apr 27, 2009 12:46 PM EDT reply actions  

I see the same problem with this team that we've seen for the last several seasons

There can be no definition to the offense – because the best 9 man lineup has basically 7 or 8 of the same players.

In other words, there are no true standout (but no sinkholes either, unlike past seasons) to occupy the 3 and 4 holes and push the offense from a bit below avg to perhaps avg or even a bit above avg.

Moore has done a fine job building the pitching staff – but I blame Glass for not opening the wallet to provide the missing part of the puzzle – legit middle of the order hitters.

Mr Glass, this is a pro sports team, not a retail store - run it like one!

by loyal2sdad on Apr 27, 2009 1:12 PM EDT reply actions  

I guess I don't see why

You would make adjustments after less than a month of play?

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by RoyalsRetro on Apr 27, 2009 3:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Why not?

Data is data. You could update the system daily if you wanted. It’s just a matter of whether more frequent updates would be interesting.

by kcdc1 on Apr 27, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because

Wouldn’t the production in the first month just be part of your projection for the entire year? Like if I project Jacobs to hit 24 home runs this year, and he hits just 2 in April, aren’t I just projecting that he’ll hit 22 the other 5 months? Its not like player produce at uniform levels throughout the year. They got through slumps and hot spells. I don’t see a reason to adjust after such a short timeline.

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by RoyalsRetro on Apr 27, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure it makes a huge deal

but kcdc1 is right, data is data. The Hardball Times had a day-by=day Marcels with the weights adjusted for each day by super-super small amount, but you could do it. Brian Cartwright’s Oliver started out the same way. Obviously, one month doesn’t change your projection significantly, but it is more data.

I think Dan is doing something else, in addition, that is even further beyond me than other stuff — the “Bayesian inference” watchamacallit.

I'm not a sabermetrician, but I do play one at Driveline Mechanics.

by Matt Klaassen on Apr 27, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

to me it just shows that projections as inaccurate as a persons guess. They are using tons of data so yes they should be more accurate but if you change them midstream that just means your original projection was inaccurate.

I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.

by kcscoliny on Apr 27, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Short answer, I don't think so

Jacobs isn’t a great example because his sample size will be sufficiently large that a month of data shouldn’t change much even if it’s pretty extreme, but we’ll go with it anyway. Let’s say you project Jacobs to hit 24 home runs in 2009 and through 25% of the season, he’s still sitting at 0. Your projection for the year will no longer be 24 HRs because you KNOW what his production is for 25% of the season. Assuming your assessment of his ability to hit home runs hasn’t changed, you’ll apply the same HR rate and project him to hit 18 HRs for the year (75% of 24). But you don’t just average your same projections against the known 25%—that 25% is useful data, so you can use it to update your projections and get a better idea for what you expect going forward. Maybe Jacobs’s 40 games without a HR has convinced your model that it shouldn’t expect a 24 HR/season rate going forward—it should only expect a 20 HR/season rate. Using the new projected rate for the rest of the season, you’d now project Jacobs’s season HR total at 15 (75% of 20).

A month of data doesn’t tell you much, but it’s not like it’s wrong to update your model more than once a year, nor would updating your model be anything like “admitting mistakes” in your previous projections. Projections are just estimated probability densities. It’s really a silly criticism to suggest that the fact that projection may be updated midseason to incorporate new data indicates a flaw in the system.

by kcdc1 on Apr 28, 2009 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

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