Guillen, Olivo & Bannister Lead Royals Past Jays With Bizarre Ease
by royalsreview on Apr 27, 2009 10:44 PM EDT
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It's a simple formula really. Step one is to have your AAAA starter allow just one hit over seven innings. Does it matter if he only strikes out two and walks six? No. Step two is to have Jose Guillen homer twice, complemented by an Olivo homer and an awe-inspiring walk. Do all those things, while mixing in the totally expected clean inning from Farnsworth, and you'll probably win a lot.
It's a shame the Royals never seem to remember this formula.
- It only took 40 PAs, but Miguel Olivo drew that walk. And yes, he did so before Billy Butler hit his first homer of 2009. All glory be to Miguel tonight.
- A little unnoticed, but Alberto Callaspo racked up another three hits tonight, and is now hitting .386. Callaspo's hot streak, along with Teahen's, has helped minimize the impact of the Gordon injury.
- The Royals actually drew eight walks tonight. The Royals drew eight walks twice last year, first in an 11-8 loss to the Red Sox, then very late in the year in 12-0 blitzing of the Mariners. Dice-K was only involved in one of those games. Eight is a new high for this season, up from seven drawn earlier this month against Texas.
- A seriously old-school night from Bannister tonight, but I think we'll all take it. He barely was at 50% for strikes, yet escaped unscathed versus a Blue Jay squad that's been hot for three weeks. The Royals are now 2-0 in games started by Bannister, who remains the only Royal starter outside the MGD Trio to start a game and have the team win that day.
- So remember that Soria injury that we were all so bummed about? By my count, since the injury was announced, there hasn't been a game in which he would have pitched anyway. Remember this ye Closer Lovers.
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Scoreless appearances from Farnsworth.
Like him or hate him, the Royals are gonna need him to figure out how not to suck to have any chance this season.
BOOM! ROASTED!
by GoBabies!! on Apr 27, 2009 10:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
pick up the option while there's still time!
I'm not a sabermetrician, but I do play one at Driveline Mechanics.
by devil_fingers on Apr 27, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's funny
Even tonight I got a little nervous when Farnsworth was out there! 7-1.
"I'll be the first one to tell you, Don't follow me. I'll let you down. Follow Jesus." Trey Hillman
OK, got it.
The General Theory of Royaltivity
by kabrink on Apr 27, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank God there's no such thing as a 6-run homer
"Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it." -Hal McRae
by Sweep_the_Leg on Apr 27, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no...we're just gonna need trey to figure out how to manager
Fire Hillman
by billybeingbilly on Apr 27, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
'....vs. the hottest team in baseball'
uhh….red sox 11 straight wins….
trey’s blaming the weather so that banny doesnt have to make excuses himself
Fire Hillman
by billybeingbilly on Apr 27, 2009 10:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
nothing about Wee Willie?
or, as I like to call him…Willie “On Base”
We always did feel the same, We just saw it from a different point of view, Tangled up in blue.
-Bob Dylan
by Royal Kingdom on Apr 27, 2009 11:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he had a good game
but his inspiring steal was irrelevant when Guillen HRed him in… i would have preferred a bloop single
then, willie would have been more important
by royalsreview on Apr 27, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
look at that tobacco...
he must have stolen some dip from Jacobs
At least Wally Joyner's not on the team....
by tcon125 on Apr 27, 2009 11:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Barry Bonds on the Giants broadcast
STRANGE
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.
by kcscoliny on Apr 27, 2009 11:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah -
totally did a double take
I've got crazy flipper fingers!
by labbadabba on Apr 27, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm slowly becoming a fan of The Spork
he has worked counts well and been decent in the field besides that first game right field experience. For a guy that is not gonna get consistent playing time I think he is pretty solid. Yes he is not gonna hit 300 with a 400 OBP but a nice role player.
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.
by kcscoliny on Apr 27, 2009 11:40 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
he crushed that triple
it almost made it to the warning track…
I've got crazy flipper fingers!
by labbadabba on Apr 27, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah same here
I haven’t seen him do anything really that bad…It’s like the entire group starts talking crap on a player around here and it makes me have an irrational dislike for the player…well Bloomquist is an inspiration to all Royals!!
by I need more Esteban on Apr 27, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um, be careful what you say out loud around here
For a guy that is not gonna get consistent playing time
You better not jinx us, because you can be sure that Trey WANTS to play him every moment.
"I'll be the first one to tell you, Don't follow me. I'll let you down. Follow Jesus." Trey Hillman
OK, got it.
The General Theory of Royaltivity
by kabrink on Apr 27, 2009 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's The Sporqie
I remember from his days as a Sailorboy; generally competent in the field at several positions and not embarrassing at the plate, just not good.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Apr 28, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Billy nees to change his toe tap.
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.
by kcscoliny on Apr 27, 2009 11:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
or change sports...
I've got crazy flipper fingers!
by labbadabba on Apr 27, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't mean that - that was un-called for
but I do wish AA Butler would manifest himself sometime…soon…maybe….please?
I've got crazy flipper fingers!
by labbadabba on Apr 27, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Believe me, I hear you
When you check a guy’s stats on Baseball Reference, and the #1 comp under “Similar Batters” is Ken Harvey, and you’re a lifelong Royals fan, and the guy whose stats you’re checking is supposed to be one of the two key young hitters (dare I say “saviors”) in the organization…I mean it’s disconcerting to say the least. I know, I know. He’s 23. But his #1 comp through 902 MLB PA’s is…Ken Freaking Harvey.
At least he hasn’t been nailed in the back with a cutoff throw. (keeping fingers crossed)
"Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it." -Hal McRae
by Sweep_the_Leg on Apr 28, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, we can look forward to seeing
Billy playing for the T-bones in a few years…awesome.
We always did feel the same, We just saw it from a different point of view, Tangled up in blue.
-Bob Dylan
by Royal Kingdom on Apr 28, 2009 8:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Based on tonight's game, you know Willie Bloomquist will be in tomorow's lineup
The only question is, where? RF, 2B, DH?
I am Billy Butler's Gold Glove.
by cbrett42 on Apr 27, 2009 11:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I doubt it and even if he does
who really cares so he plays RF, Guillen DH’s and Butler rides the pine. Bloomquist is playing better than Butler right now and versus a right hander it might not be the wrong play the way BumBum looks currently.
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.
by kcscoliny on Apr 28, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he sucks in RF
so I hope he isn’t there
by royalsreview on Apr 28, 2009 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he should DH
I'm not a sabermetrician, but I do play one at Driveline Mechanics.
by devil_fingers on Apr 28, 2009 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blasphemy!
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com
by RoyalsRetro on Apr 28, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
God he tries so hard
"You know what, I mean I cried in bed for a while, moaning 'Why!? Why did this have to happen?'"
Zack Greinke on the Brad Pitt - Jennifer Aniston split
by DCRoyals on Apr 28, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need .gif's
Of some of the epic Royal Fails of the past decade…
Off the top of my head…
Ken harvey taking the cut-off throw off his back
Ken Harvey getting lost behind the tarp
Kerry Robinson jumpin on the wall only to have the ball bounce on the warning track
Chip Ambres Dropped Flyball
there has to be about a dozen more that I’ve blocked from my memory
BOOM! ROASTED!
by GoBabies!! on Apr 28, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Esteban German fly ball off the face
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by RoyalsRetro on Apr 28, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good one
I guess you could toss Affeldt getting body slammed by Farns in there.
Maybe Sween-Dog chuckin his helmet @ Weaver?
BOOM! ROASTED!
by GoBabies!! on Apr 28, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Farnsworth reactions after the "rare" home run shot
Jose Guillen “running” out a grounder to second
I'm not a sabermetrician, but I do play one at Driveline Mechanics.
by devil_fingers on Apr 28, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Karen Kornacki writhin in pain in the clubhouse after Emil Brown's errant rubber BB shot
"Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it." -Hal McRae
by Sweep_the_Leg on Apr 28, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about the throw from the 1B (forget who it was)
coming home that nailed the pitcher (Grimsley, IIRC) right in the face??
KCsince88 - You'd LOVE Todd Reesing, then.
DolfinPhan - Doug Flutie of the future. Mark my words.
Trey-Hillman-I'm-A-Dumbfuck-Giveaway-Counter: 4 (as of April 23rd)
by KCsince88 on Apr 28, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
^^^
Aaah yes, yet another shining Ken Harvey moment
BOOM! ROASTED!
by GoBabies!! on Apr 28, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
German off the face is my presonal favorite,
but I also enjoyed:
That time MacDougal fielded a weak ground ball with the bases loaded and threw the ball about 25 feet over Buck’s head to let a guy score.
Burgos throwing 18 straight balls to start an inning.
by hippdoghipp on Apr 28, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Greatest line of the year in a game recap
Bloomquist, who lined a triple to center in the fifth, notched his second extra-base hit to surpass his total of one last year for Seattle.
I am Billy Butler's Gold Glove.
by cbrett42 on Apr 27, 2009 11:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and it's still April!
I've got crazy flipper fingers!
by labbadabba on Apr 27, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
is it just me or.....
does anyone else gets bummed when olivo has a good night? because the one good night will grant him three weeks of starting and guaranteed suckage
by KC Masterpiece on Apr 27, 2009 11:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ya Olivo has been blowin bran
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.
by kcscoliny on Apr 28, 2009 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good win and seeing this pic makes for a great night
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.
by kcscoliny on Apr 28, 2009 12:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ya if Octamom had no waist
and a pretty face. Hey the hair matches
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.
by kcscoliny on Apr 28, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great game
I was scared of Toronto and we took care of business.
Not only that but it was a quick game too. I like games that are fast.
Also, Farnsworth didn’t blow the game and his ERA is now down to 11.81!
by Royal from Queens on Apr 28, 2009 12:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Do we really have good reason to believe that Brian Bannister is a "AAAA starter"?
Let’s put his small sample of 2009 data aside for the moment. The projection systems think he’s likely to be basically an average #4 SP this year. That sounds considerably better than a “AAAA starter.” And his 2009 performance, while not dominant, certainly doesn’t support the contention that he’s a AAAA starter.
The immoderate moderator
by NYRoyal on Apr 28, 2009 1:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
#4 SP
And for that matter, the #5 SP. I think there is a large failure by many baseball fans to understand the average stats for a back-end of the rotation starter. I admit, I used to blindly assume that if you were in the starting rotation for a major league team then you probably had a sub-4.00 ERA. But it is obviously just not so and I have finally realized that. Not trying to call anybody out as everyone is welcome to their opinions and to the reasoning behind their opinions, but I can see where some people may fail to realize the true effectiveness of a #4 or #5….just as I did before.
Damn, I type such ignorant things when I’m drinking. The time of night should give it away!
FKA "MileHighKCfan"
by JSouth on Apr 28, 2009 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, a roughly average #4 SP who can eat some innings has real value
It seems like many fans feel like any starting pitcher who is below average is just a waste of roster space and a sign of poor pitching staff construction. Nothing could be further from the truth.
The immoderate moderator
by NYRoyal on Apr 28, 2009 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, we don't.
I think Bannister would perform as well as, if not better than Ponson. He’s also better than Horacio Ramirez, a trait he shares with several million other mammals.
"Do they have people that tall in Mexico?"
by NHZ on Apr 28, 2009 2:27 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
As well as
a goodly number of invertebrates.
This space for rent.
by jonfmorse on Apr 28, 2009 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'll make a larger conclusion on Brian come mid July.
He got off to a very similar start last year. Let’s see how he performs when the weather is warmer. He got pretty lucky last night to only give up one hit while walking six.
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.
by kcscoliny on Apr 28, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, the way he was throwing (which was a combination of intentional and unintentional factors) made it very hard to hit off of him
The ball was moving all over the place. That’s the kind of pitching which leads to lots of walks and few hits.
The immoderate moderator
by NYRoyal on Apr 28, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he's more
Like a AAAAA starter.
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by RoyalsRetro on Apr 28, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or maybe even a AAAAAA starter
How many A’s would Kyle Davies be?
The immoderate moderator
by NYRoyal on Apr 28, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you about him being an adequate back-of-the-rotation guy
and being definitely better than HoRam and probably Ponson, too.
Still, I think “AAAA starter” pretty much means #5 pitcher, anyway, so it’s not that far off.
I'm not a sabermetrician, but I do play one at Driveline Mechanics.
by devil_fingers on Apr 28, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't AAAA mean roughly "replacement level"?
AAAA means someone who is good at the AAA level but a failure at the major league level, basically a replacement level player. And replacement level for pitchers is around the level of an average #5 SP. And Bannister projects to be more than a little better than an average #5 SP.
The immoderate moderator
by NYRoyal on Apr 28, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
six of one
I want to go back and read your post on rotation slots and talk about it with you. I’ve had some rudimentary thoughts about things that you might look into — not a big deal, just some stuff that might “firm up” and solidify some of the stuff.
I'm not a sabermetrician, but I do play one at Driveline Mechanics.
by devil_fingers on Apr 28, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cool
I’ll be redoing it after this season and trying to tweak/improve it. I think I’ll include WAR because the use of rate stats doesn’t take into account innings pitched or starts made. A 4.00 tRA over 100 innings is not the same as a 4.00 tRA over 200 innings. I’m very interested in any thoughts you might have.
The immoderate moderator
by NYRoyal on Apr 28, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm still formulating them and going through to see if you already addressed it
it has to do with potential selective sampling on the back end of the rotation
The WAR issue is a good one, but also complciates things… I’ll think about that, too. My immediate thought is that you should do two charts/studies, one just by rate stat(s) with an innings minimum, then one by WAR, then compare the two.
I'm not a sabermetrician, but I do play one at Driveline Mechanics.
by devil_fingers on Apr 28, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The back end of the rotation guys are something of a problem. Thankfully since I include the five pitchers from each team with the most IP, I don’t end up having to deal with too many small sample pitchers. And, in general, with a population of 75 pitchers (AL) or 150 pitchers (MLB), I’d hate to decrease the number of pitchers included. But it is something to consider. And I think you’re right that WAR really is different and should be done separate from the rate stats.
The immoderate moderator
by NYRoyal on Apr 29, 2009 3:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone else associate JoGui with Fergie?
Largely an annoyance 75% of the time, then the other 25% there’s the off the wall photoshopping or HR that makes us think, not bad, not bad at all.
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Apr 28, 2009 9:32 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
tremendous
if he didn’t suck, his eccentricities would vault him way up in my “favorite player” rankings.
I'm not a sabermetrician, but I do play one at Driveline Mechanics.
by devil_fingers on Apr 28, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He IS my favorite Royals player right now,
outside of the obvious Greinke choice, just because he is so good, and the only player any non-fan knows about.
KCsince88 - You'd LOVE Todd Reesing, then.
DolfinPhan - Doug Flutie of the future. Mark my words.
Trey-Hillman-I'm-A-Dumbfuck-Giveaway-Counter: 4 (as of April 23rd)
by KCsince88 on Apr 28, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Best part about last night...
we pick up some momentum going into the top of the rotation. Love it when the #5 pitches well.
by Bart41 on Apr 28, 2009 11:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
Great chance at a good winning streak now
BOOM! ROASTED!
by GoBabies!! on Apr 28, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Especially
avoiding Halladay during the series, and the other 2 top pitchers that each beat us 4 times last year…
KCsince88 - You'd LOVE Todd Reesing, then.
DolfinPhan - Doug Flutie of the future. Mark my words.
Trey-Hillman-I'm-A-Dumbfuck-Giveaway-Counter: 4 (as of April 23rd)
by KCsince88 on Apr 28, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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