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According to this Mellinger report, doctors think he'll be at about 100 percent when he's back in late June/early July.

Still, I'm glad he wasn't in a car accident.

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The illustrative examples in this story were painful to read.

Apparently a hip is a cross between tupperwear, an oversized ballcap, a bit cheek, and a punch in the mouth. Much easier to understand that than to actually describe the anatomy.

by kcdc1 on Apr 28, 2009 1:40 PM EDT reply actions  

What worries me is

the comment made by GMDM:

Once he gets back, I expect him to be productive for the rest of the season," Moore said. "It never really bothered him hitting. He felt it when he’d run, but not all the time. When he felt it the most was when he was an infielder, exploding to his left. That’s when it really hurt, that lateral movement.

Ok, so it wasn’t bothering his hitting, then what the hell was the problem?!?! It hurt when he ran, so did he decide to not hit (8 K’s, same pace Miggy is on) for fear of having to run? I know that 2 for 21 is a small sample size, but he did not look good. AT. ALL. Hopefully, the hip was causing more problems than he even realized and the little “minor league assignment” will help get him back on track.

That all being said, what about Teahen? He is looking very comfortable at third base, both in the field and at the plate. If he keeps this up, could this possibly force a move for Gordon? Something to think about…

-You play to win the game - Herm Edwards

by truebluetradition on Apr 28, 2009 2:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Gordon To 2B?

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Apr 28, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course, I must contradict myself

by mentioning that Teahen’s BABIP is currently .364, which is much higher than the 2008 league average of around .310-.315. So he may cool down somewhat.

-You play to win the game - Herm Edwards

by truebluetradition on Apr 28, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gordon to 1B would be incredibly stupid

It’s unlikely that any defensive performance by Mark Teahen over the next two months would convince me that he’s a better defensive 3B than Gordon. And I’m a TEahen fan.

I'm not a sabermetrician, but I do play one at Driveline Mechanics.

by Matt Klaassen on Apr 28, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe so

But I can see the Royals doing it. Especially if Billy’s struggles continue. I can see the justification now…he may have aggravated the injury by the sudden lateral movements playing 3B requires, giving him time at 1B will allow him to get regular playing time at a less stressful defensive position, “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” with Teahen at 3B (“he’s very comfortable there”), etc., etc.

"Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it." -Hal McRae

by Sweep_the_Leg on Apr 28, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can't

acknowledge that it’s a small sample size then immediately draw meaningful conclusions from it. If it’s not a meaningful sample, then throw it away.

by PopeSoria on Apr 28, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't draw any statistical conclusions from it

that is simply all we have to go by this season. I was stating a subjective opinion of how he appeared when batting. I’ve seen every game that has been televised this year and Gordon did not look comfortable at the plate. Maybe that was due to the injury, maybe he was still trying to work out the new approach developed with Seitz. Whatever it was, it was causing some problems.

Same goes for Aviles. Yes, it is early in the season and his numbers are terrible. That being said, he looks like a Little Leaguer at the plate. It appears that he isn’t judging the location right, jumping back on inside pitches, leaning over on outside pitches. etc. Teams have definitely found the holes in his swing.

-You play to win the game - Herm Edwards

by truebluetradition on Apr 28, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seitzer Giveth, And

Seitzer taketh away.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Apr 28, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everybody wins!

"Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it." -Hal McRae

by Sweep_the_Leg on Apr 28, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

uhh....

60 day DL=service time….

minor league rehab=60 day DL….i’d assume

Fire Hillman

by billybeingbilly on Apr 28, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

ahh....

shouldve figured you knew that

Fire Hillman

by billybeingbilly on Apr 28, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

actually, I don't understand transactions at all

I just assumed it wasn’t helping the Royals re: his service time.

I'm not a sabermetrician, but I do play one at Driveline Mechanics.

by Matt Klaassen on Apr 28, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it doesn't help his service clock

they’d have to send him to AAA for his rehab and let him stay down there when the 15 days (or whatever it is) expires for rehab. I doubt they’ll do that.

by Top Ramen on Apr 29, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome news...

so he’ll be back swinging at changeups in the dirt in no time.

I think it’s telling/interesting that Moore made a point to state that his hip was NOT an excuse for his terrible hitting.

I hope he gets whatever it is figured out when he comes back. I do think that going on a nice long “rehab assignment” at AAA might be really good for his psyche and help him relax, get confidence back, knock him back to reality, or whatever it is he needs to realize his potential.

I hereby resign from this post.

by Home Run Tony Cogan on Apr 28, 2009 5:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Great

In late June/early July we’ll get to have Gordon back to bat .095 and make errors at 3rd base for us. Now I HOPE he can get his stuff back when he returns (He definitely will) but I don’t want him to be part of a problem known by many as “losing baseball games” if he keeps sucking put Teahan back at 3B and get him out.

Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway - An Onymous

by ratherfantastic on Apr 28, 2009 5:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Better without having a .507 OPS sinkhole in the lineup?

Certainly.

Is he going to do that for a full year? Of course not.

But, a career 97 OPS+ for the #2 overall pick, All-American, Minor League player of the year, etc. etc? Not getting it done. Just bottom line, not living up to his potential. So, either one of two things is going on, neither of which is good – he sucks and this was a big farce all along, or he is really better than this but isn’t showing it, for whatever reason.

Look, I’ll be honest – I really, really want Alex Gordon and Billy Butler to do well. I really do. And I am very, very disappointed that they haven’t gotten off to a better start to their careers, and I want to stay positive and believe that they’re going to come around. But damn, nobody has to sit there and spew statistics to tell you how good Evan Longoria or Ryan Braun are. When people start going deeper and deeper into the stats to justify how good somebody is, then they probably aren’t as good as advertised.

We’ll see what happens with these guys, there’s a lot of season (and career) left for both of them. But, when Gordon comes out early this year and Ks on the exact same pitch over and over and over, it sure doesn’t give you a lot of hope that he’s going to improve.

I hereby resign from this post.

by Home Run Tony Cogan on Apr 28, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, I'm not going to argue that point,

but that’s really damning with faint praise, isn’t it? The Royals maybe need to get some better options, then. In the short term, they’ve hitched a big part of their wagon to Butler and Gordon, and as they go, so go the Royals.

I hereby resign from this post.

by Home Run Tony Cogan on Apr 28, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah
Alex Gordon Sucks

But seriously… I can’t believe that after going 2 for 21 everyone is so down on The Smirk. Give me a break!

Braun and Longoria are great power guys and had success very quickly. But don’t give me this BS that Gordon is a bust or that you’re worried he’s not going to improve.

Last year Braun out-SLG’d Gordon by a wide margin. Maybe Gordon will never hit for as much power as Braun will. But Gordon walked mored while striking out at about the same clip. Any improvement in power production from Gordon would be welcomed and somewhat expected, but he’s not, by any means, failing.

You want to see a draft pick fail? How about the #3 pick from 2005? Jeff Clement ring a bell? I didn’t think so. How about Matt Bush, the #1 pick in 2004?

Those guys have little hope for improving. I think Gordon will be just fine. An All-Star? Maybe, maybe not. But please, everyone, back off and chill out.

The Alex Gordon era - www.number4thesmirk.com

by CollininCalifornia on Apr 28, 2009 7:28 PM EDT reply actions  

sure...

I picked a couple of top draft choices who failed… I didn’t mention some others who’ve done well. But i think it’s still a valid point.

The Alex Gordon era - www.number4thesmirk.com

by CollininCalifornia on Apr 28, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

My personal opinion

If he’s not putting up All-Star level numbers or maybe dark horse MVP numbers then that’s a failure. It doesn’t have to be Matt Bush or Evan Longoria (Bush was a signability pick by the way and really shouldn’t have been taken that high) with nothing in between. I acknowledge that he’s a credible major leaguer.

You simply have to get more than that from such a high draft pick, especially one who’s had superlatives upon superlatives heaped upon him for several years now.

I hereby resign from this post.

by Home Run Tony Cogan on Apr 28, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

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