Historical Royal Pitching WAR

by Jeff Zimmerman on Apr 28, 2009 12:42 PM EDT

Chone Smith has completed his WAR numbers for pititchers. I went ahead took the top 100 pitchers innings pitched for the Royals (link to Royal hitting WAR). I have made the data available on this Google Docs Page. Here are the top (and bottom) 10 for Royal's pitching for Individual Seasons, Career at Kansas City and Pitching Staff by Season. Enjoy and I will add all the pitchers at sometime as that time becomes available.

Individual Seasons:

Name	WAR	Year
Saberhagen, Bret	8.7	1989
Appier, Kevin	8.4	1993
Appier, Kevin	7.6	1992
Gubicza, Mark	7.3	1988
Saberhagen, Bret	7	1987
Saberhagen, Bret	6.7	1985
Cone, David	6.6	1993
Leibrandt, Charlie	6.3	1985
Appier, Kevin	6.2	1996
Cone, David	6.1	1994

Dal Canton, Bruce	-1.2	1975
Reichert, Dan	-1.3	1999
Splittorff, Paul	-1.4	1984
Burgmeier, Tom	-1.4	1972
Durbin, Chad	-1.7	2000
Bird, Doug	-1.7	1978
Elarton, Scott	-1.8	2007
Hedlund, Mike	-1.8	1972
Gale, Rich	-2	1979
Lima, Jose	-2.2	2005

Career at Kansas City:

Name	Total War	Year
Appier, Kevin	44.2	2004
Saberhagen, Bret	37.5	1991
Gubicza, Mark	35.6	1996
Quisenberry, Dan	25.3	1988
Leonard, Dennis	24.2	1986
Montgomery, Jeff	21.5	1999
Leibrandt, Charlie	21.4	1989
Splittorff, Paul	21.1	1984
Gura, Larry	16.8	1985
Gordon, Tom	15.8	1995

Wright, Ken	-0.4	1973
Wilson, Kris	-0.4	2003
Martin, Renie	-0.5	1981
Durbin, Chad	-0.8	2002
George, Chris	-1	2004
Elarton, Scott	-1	2007
Lima, Jose	-1.2	2005
Davis, Mark	-1.3	1992
Pittsley, Jim	-1.6	1999
Creel, Keith	-1.6	1983

Pitching Staff by Season:

Year	Total War
1985	25.3
1993	25.1
1987	25
1989	24.4
1974	22
1996	21.1
1988	20.8
1991	19.3
1990	19
1986	18.7

2001	8.6
1982	8.2
1998	8
1997	7.4
2004	6.9
2000	6.9
1999	5.9
2005	4.6
1979	2.5
2006	1.2

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great stuff

Rally went by an adjusted-for-defense RA, right, now FIP?

I'm not a sabermetrician, but I do play one at Driveline Mechanics.

by Matt Klaassen on Apr 28, 2009 12:53 PM EDT reply actions

"not {as in rather than} FIP?"

I'm not a sabermetrician, but I do play one at Driveline Mechanics.

by Matt Klaassen on Apr 28, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions

Yes.

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Apr 28, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions

Bless you good sir

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Apr 28, 2009 12:58 PM EDT reply actions

LIMA TIME

Believe it!

Fitting that Mark Davis is near the bottom.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Apr 28, 2009 12:59 PM EDT reply actions

Along with Scott Elarton

Retro, - I have heard Win Shares really under values pitchers vice hitters. Appier is the second behind Brett in WAR, but 7 behind him in Win Shares. Any plans on updating/adjusting your list.

by Jeff Zimmerman on Apr 28, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions

Yes!

I have been dying to have WAR figures for all these players, and thanks to you, here they are! Many, many thanks.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Apr 28, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions

Let me know if there is anyone you need. I am not for sure I caught everyone since I based both lists off of ABs and IPs.

by Jeff Zimmerman on Apr 28, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions

And, the top ten including pitchers and hitters

Brett, George 89.3
Appier, Kevin 44.2
Otis, Amos 42.7
Wilson, Willie 37.8
Saberhagen, Bret 37.5
Gubicza, Mark 35.6
McRae, Hal 25.8
Quisenberry, Dan 25.3
Beltran, Carlos 25.1
White, Frank 25

by Trey Hillman's Chin on Apr 28, 2009 1:32 PM EDT reply actions

Combined Pitching WAR over the seasons

by Jeff Zimmerman on Apr 28, 2009 3:03 PM EDT reply actions

Its almost as if

There was a correlation to winning?

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Apr 28, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions

Yeah, but it has to be fake

WAR, wOBA, BaseRuns, defensive numbers and whatnot are all made up by a bunch of guys who wouldn’t know how to be a real winner together.

I'm not a sabermetrician, but I do play one at Driveline Mechanics.

by Matt Klaassen on Apr 28, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions

Combined Hitting a Pitching WAR for players added so far

by Jeff Zimmerman on Apr 28, 2009 5:34 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs

The Batting and Pitching Labels should be switched

by Jeff Zimmerman on Apr 28, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions

Yes, that's nice

I was a bit surprised to see that the core 70’s years (76-80) were not in the top 10 pitching staffs by WAR. But, this chart fills in the story. Very interesting because my recollection would have been that even the Royals of that day were great pitching and defense and still sometimes struggled at batting/run production. I guess it’s more proper to say struggled with power hitting.

But, definitely that mid 80’s to mid 90’s was a pretty damn nice staff.

Thanks!

"I'll be the first one to tell you, Don't follow me. I'll let you down. Follow Jesus." Trey Hillman

OK, got it.

The General Theory of Royaltivity

by kabrink on Apr 28, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions