2006 Royals Draft Review
2006 Royals Draft Review
The 2005 Royals lost 106 games and earned for the first time in franchise history the #1 overall pick the draft. The 2006 draft was the Orphan Draft. Allard Baird was fired in May and Dayton Moore was set to take over but since Moore had been helping his previous employer (the Braves) prepare for the draft it was announced that Moore would not be involved in the 2006 draft. I figured there was a wink involved there somewhere. Sure, Dayton Moore would keep his hands off the single most important event to a rebuilding franchise (and that franchise had the #1 overall pick). In retrospect, I think it was completely true-Dayton Moore left Deric Ladnier to do his thing and we ended up with a mediocre draft. And that may be the biggest reason why Ladnier is gone.
1st Round (1st Overall)
2006 was a year without a consensus #1 overall prospect. Andrew Miller was ranked #1 most of the year and he would end up falling to Detroit because of bonus demands. Evan Longoria put up good but not great numbers at Long Beach State-although in retrospect his home park kept those offensive numbers down. Brad Lincoln had put up great numbers at U. of Houston but that was against so-so competition. Luke Hochevar had been a Dodger supplemental 1st round pick out of Tennessee in 2007. He would have gone higher but bonus demands scared teams off. He was a Boras client who briefly changed agents and (depending on who you believe) agreed to a contract with the Dodgers under the guidance of the new agent. Hochevar backed out of the deal went back to Boras and ended up re-entering the 2006 draft after pitching it he independent league. He put up great numbers for Fort Worth-but in only 22ip (34k's). The night before the draft, Baseball America reported that we had agreed to a pre-draft deal with Brad Lincoln, but by morning that was either off or never happened and we ended up taking Hochevar.
Hochevar eventually signed in time to pitch 15 innings in Burlington. He put up mediocre numbers at Wichita and Omaha in 2007 (although there were reports the KC brass had him working on certain pitches and not allowing him to throw others). He got a cup of coffee with the big club. Last year, he pitched well, briefly in AAA before coming up and pitching OK. His ERA is 5.51 but his FIP ERA wasn't bad 4.43. He hurt his rib cage in August and was shut down.
He has started ‘09 in Omaha because the Royals hope to delay his free agency clock. I hope he becomes the type of pitcher that you worry about their free agency clock. Hochevar looks like he will be a solid starting pitcher. Put him in front a good defense and he might even look like a pretty good starting pitcher, but you aren't looking for pretty good players when you draft 1-1.
At the time of the 2006 draft, I was torn between Andrew Miller and Evan Longoria. I decided we should go for Miller. He's been wildly inconsistent and I wouldn't trade Hochevar for him at this point. Of course, Longoria is a different story. Tim Lincecum went 10th in that draft and there were a very few people that thought he should go at the top. (Although I did advocate for drafting Lincecum-in 2005 when he was a draft eligible sophomore. Rumor was he wanted $1 million to sign after an up and down year. I thought it would be a great gamble to take. He was eventually drafted by Cleveland in round 42 but they didn't sign him-good thing-I'm glad he's not on a division rival. Just to torture yourself a little bit: we could have had Lincecum and Longoria.).
Here's how I would rank Hochevar against the 9 guys taken after him:
- Evan Longoria-Rays--#3 overall
- Tim Lincecum-Giants--#10
- Clayton Kershaw-Dodgers--#7
- Brandon Morrow-Mariners--#5
- Luke Hochevar-Royals--#1
- Andrew Miller-Tigers--#6
- Drew Stubbs-Reds--#8
- Brad Lincoln-Pirates--#4
- Greg Reynolds-Rockies--#2
- Bill Rowell-Orioles--#9
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/H/Luke-Hochevar.shtml
2nd Round
The Royals took Jason Taylor-a HS 3rd baseman in round 2. Taylor went to Arizona where he didn't hit real well but showed good patience at the plate. He was suspended for the 2007 season-the scuttlebutt was that it was due to marijuana use. In 2008, he had a good year at Burlington. His OPS was 790 with 81 walks and 40 steals. He was unlucky on the balls he put in play-so his numbers could have been better than that. He was on fire the 2nd half of last year (as was the rest of the Burlington team). His prospect stock was on the rise until he got suspended for failing a drug test (non-performance enhancing division) this spring. Unofficially, he was also the guy that Moose pinned against the wall/threatened with worse during last season. So Taylor is talented but is immature/undisciplined. We'll see how he does after he gets back from the suspension, but I'm guessing he is on a short leash with this organization.
http://thebaseballcube.com/players/T/Jason-Taylor-1.shtml
Other players taken in Round 2: Chris Tillman, Brett Anderson, Trevor Cahill, Justin Masterson,
3rd Round
Blake Wood was another player that was a seeming reach in the 3rd round. But Wood had been injured at Georgia Tech and the Royals had seen something they liked. He got 50 innings at Idaho Falls and pitched pretty well. He missed the first half of 2007 with back surgery but pitched pretty well at Surprise, Burlington and Wilmington. Last year, he dominated at Wilmington for 57 innings before going to NW Arkansas where he was inconsistent (but better than his ERA showed. He's gotten off to a pretty good start at AA this year. He's got 3 pitches that are pretty good but if he can just get more consistent, he could be an above average starter. He has a chance to be the best pick in this draft for the Royals.
http://thebaseballcube.com/players/W/Blake-Wood.shtml
Other players taken in Round 3: Chris Valaika
4th Round
Derrick Robinson was rated a borderline 1st round talent by Baseball America. But he had a football scholarship to Florida in his pocket. The Royals signed him for $850,000. Robinson is fast. Really, really fast. We've been told for almost 3 years however that he isn't just fast, that he had some hidden, unpolished hitting ability. His OPS in 2007 at Burlington: 599. 2008 at Wilmington: 638. This year, he's hovering around 600 repeating Wilmington. He's great defensively and could steal a lot of bases with a great success rate. The odds are very good he will get to the big leagues-whether he will be an asset or not depends on if he can get on base/hit with power in the future. He's still just 21. This is the make or break year repeating a level.
http://thebaseballcube.com/players/R/Derrick-Robinson-1.shtml
Other players taken in Round 4: (man the 3rd and 4th rounds were pretty barren)
5th Round
The Royals took Old Dominion pitcher Jason Godin in round 5. Do you really want me to regurgitate his mediocre numbers? Go look at them yourself-he's not been very good and probably won't contribute at even AAA.
http://thebaseballcube.com/players/G/Jason-Godin.shtml
Other players drafted in Round 5: Chris Davis, Jeff Samardzija
6th Round
Harold Mozingo was one of my guys. I really liked the guy coming out of Virginia Commonwealth. He had 3 solid pitches. He struggled at Idaho Falls in 2006. He was OK in 2007 at Burlington. But he didn't pitch last year, I think he was injured but I can't remember what the injury was and haven't heard anything about his this spring.
http://thebaseballcube.com/players/M/Harold-Mozingo.shtml
Others taken in Round 6: nobody.
Other picks of note:
10th Round pick Nick Van Stratten and 13th Round pick Kurt Mertins and quasi-prospects who put up decent numbers but are pretty old for the leagues they've been playing in.
In the 19th and 20th rounds, the Royals took Jeff Inman and Brad Boxberger-two HS California pitchers. They both dropped because of signability and will be drafted this year. Inman has struggled at Stanford, while Boxberger could be a 2nd round pick and perhaps sneak into the late 1st round.
Recap:
We walk away from this draft with 4 players that could possibly help the big league club some day: Hochevar, Taylor, Wood and Robinson. None of them look to be stars. I'll give this draft a C-. It can get depressing when looking at what we could have had. But what we do have is a pitcher who this year can help us win games-and in a mediocre division, we need all the help we can get. I'm looking forward to seeing what Hochevar can do. I like Wood quite a bit. Robinson and Taylor are enigmas for different reasons. Let's hope we don't have a chance to redeem our ability to pick 1-1 anytime in the near future.
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well, at least the Royals didn't miss out on anyone good in 2007
I'm not a sabermetrician, but I do play one at Driveline Mechanics.
by devil_fingers on Apr 29, 2009 1:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
by the way, love this series, nice work. Rec'd
I'm not a sabermetrician, but I do play one at Driveline Mechanics.
by devil_fingers on Apr 29, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely!!
As a younger Royals fan, this was around the time period that I REALLY started following the inner-workings of the team, and the organization as whole. This series is so fun to read!
KCsince88 - You'd LOVE Todd Reesing, then.
DolfinPhan - Doug Flutie of the future. Mark my words.
Trey-Hillman-I'm-A-Dumbfuck-Giveaway-Counter: 4 (as of April 23rd)
R.I.P. John "Fumbles" Beck - You Will Be Missed!
by KCsince88 on Apr 29, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
by young yuo mean under 40right?
by royalsreview on Apr 29, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Half of that, actually.
Haha, I’m 20.
KCsince88 - You'd LOVE Todd Reesing, then.
DolfinPhan - Doug Flutie of the future. Mark my words.
Trey-Hillman-I'm-A-Dumbfuck-Giveaway-Counter: 4 (as of April 23rd)
R.I.P. John "Fumbles" Beck - You Will Be Missed!
by KCsince88 on Apr 29, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
be very thankful you didn't follow the inner workings of the Royals circa 1995-2005..
things aren’t great right now but back then…there are no words for it. Its amazing I’m still somewhat sane.
by nwroyal on Apr 29, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was a sit-com
or were those guys really serious?
Come on, Annie, think of something clever to say, huh? Something full of magic, religion, bullshit. Come on, dazzle me.
by BillyMojo on Apr 29, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I followed the team and all,
like watching and going to games, but I never really followed everything that went on with the organization. One game, Dye was there, then the next he wasn’t. I had no idea why at the time.
KCsince88 - You'd LOVE Todd Reesing, then.
DolfinPhan - Doug Flutie of the future. Mark my words.
Trey-Hillman-I'm-A-Dumbfuck-Giveaway-Counter: 4 (as of April 23rd)
R.I.P. John "Fumbles" Beck - You Will Be Missed!
by KCsince88 on Apr 29, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I also love this series
And I know no one cares, but my shadow draft from that year:
1. P Brad Lincoln – d’oh!!!!
2. P Stephen Wright – meh
3. P Keith Weiser – soft tossing lefty strike thrower in AA
4. P Jeff Manship – Sickels #18 Twins prospect
5. OF Shawn Scobee – out of baseball
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com
by RoyalsRetro on Apr 29, 2009 1:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
don't know what happened to this blogger, but he more or less nailed the predictions
http://royalsmania.blogspot.com/2006/06/royals-manias-2006-mlb-mock-draft.html
Of course, this must have been making his picks very close to draft day, since he had Hochevar correctly pegged.
by marbotty on Apr 29, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I was Pro Lincoln as well
All I specifically remember about that draft was that I wanted nothing to do w/ Lincecum, and being dissapointed that we finally sucked bad enough to get #1 overall……the ONE FUCKING year there wasn’t a ’can’t miss’ type guy.
I was also diassapointed that we took Hoch
BOOM! ROASTED!
by GoBabies!! on Apr 29, 2009 1:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lincecum/Hochevar/Lincoln
I liked Lincecum a lot, but I was REALLY worried about his high workloads in college. I really felt like the Royals needed to get a good pitcher and couldn’t afford the risk. I thought Hochevar was very safe and would almost certainly become a major leaguer, but had very limited upside as a #4 type starter.
So I split the difference and endorsed Lincoln.
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com
by RoyalsRetro on Apr 29, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lincecum..
His workload/stature/mechanics are what scared me off (and, for the record, I’d still be surprised if he was an effective pitcher in a decade)
BOOM! ROASTED!
by GoBabies!! on Apr 29, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really wanted Lincecum or Miller
I was very upset when we went Hochevar, who nobody had been talking about. I was also glad we didn’t get Longoria, since we had just went Butler Gordon in the previous two drafts.
At least we didn’t get Greg Reynolds.
by marbotty on Apr 29, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that's who I wanted too
but do you really believe in your heart that they would be performing for the Royals the way they perform for other teams? Even if we had drafted Longoria, he’d probably still be in AA sucking. The Royals are pretty much cursed when it comes to the draft, although, I’m starting to think Greinke may be busting that curse.
by AxDxMx on Apr 29, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think you're right
the closest thing we’ve had to a can’t miss prospect was Gordon, and who knows how that’s going to end up…. bless you Zaqk Greinke
by marbotty on Apr 29, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, he hasn't missed
He’s an above average Major League hitter. No what what we hoped maybe, yet. But he didn’t miss.
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by kcbottom9th on Apr 29, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like me
I was scared of Lincecum’s health and his weird pitching mechanics. I kick myself constantly because I was constantly talking about how great Longoria was and failed to listen to my own self like an idiot
1 Lincoln
2 Brett Anderson (beat the stud college guy to the majors)
3 Stephen King (SS has moved to 3B and is a meh prospect in HiA)
4 Whit Robbins (3B has moved to 1B and is a meh prospect in AA)
5 Jordan Newton (Catcher who could hit, now sometime catcher, part time LF, still hitting a little bit)
6 Mozingo (I think he was released)
7 Brian Dinkelman (now utility guy in AA for the Twins)
8 Josh Cribb (another royals pick, another washout)
9 Jeff Manship (I took him later than you did)
10 Jacob Dempsey (1B drafted by the Phillies, dropped off the map quickly)
Others of note: Danny Valencia17th round, has picked it up and is a good prospect who might start in the twin cities next year. Seems like half of my draft is in New Britain this year. It is actually.
Alex White 14th round, was a signability flier. He’s now a high first rounder this year.
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
by JM Barten on May 13, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One of my first posts so be nice :)
So I ran accross these stats and the reason I was doing research is that I am NOT a big fan of drafting pitchers as number one overalls
As far as pitchers go, only 12 have been selected using the number one overall pick. Of those 12 only four went on to have any kind of significant Major League career: Mike Moore (161 wins, 1989 World Champion), Andy Benes (155 wins and 2,000 strikeouts), Tim Belcher (146 wins, 1988 World Champion and 1989 National League Shutout leader) and Floyd Bannister (134 wins).
by Mostate44 on Apr 29, 2009 1:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
interesting
so strausberg or no?
by royalsreview on Apr 29, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Strasberg has to be #1 on every team's board, so you have to take him with the top pick. If you don't, then you just don't know what the draft is all about."

"Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it." -Hal McRae
by Sweep_the_Leg on Apr 29, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Acutally I need to do more research on him so hold that no.
by Mostate44 on Apr 29, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't like pitchers at #1 either
but Strassburg may be an exception.
by AxDxMx on Apr 29, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
And David Price isn’t looking too shabby, either.
by marbotty on Apr 29, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn our sweep of Detroit!
BOOM! ROASTED!
by GoBabies!! on Apr 29, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, Price has looked good until this year in AAA
Not that this small sample of data is especially meaningful. I’m just sayin’…
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by NYRoyal on Apr 29, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not a draft maven at all
but I generally agree. Eyeballing it (gain, very general rule), the best idea seems to be go for the best position player available up high, then pitchers “in bulk” a bit further down. Seems like the Royals sort of did something like that in 2008.
I'm not a sabermetrician, but I do play one at Driveline Mechanics.
by devil_fingers on Apr 29, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The same could be said about Quarterbacks
and that Manning kid kinda worked out.
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.
by kcscoliny on Apr 29, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My shadow draft from that year
1. Ryan Leaf
2. Peyton Manning
I thought Ryan Leaf was going to be the shiz and I thought Peyton Manning was the most overrated player in the history of the universe.
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com
by RoyalsRetro on Apr 29, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno, I think we should wait a few years before we can really say if he's good or not
I'm not a sabermetrician, but I do play one at Driveline Mechanics.
by devil_fingers on Apr 29, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
here are the consensus best hitter/pitcher availible
year Pitcher Hitter
2008 Aaron Crow? Pedro Alvarez
2007 David Price Matt Wieter
2006 Andrew Miller Evan Longoria
2005 Ricky Romero? Justin Upton
2004 Justin Verlander Stephen Drew
2003 Kyle Sleeth Delmon Young
2002 Brian Bullington BJ Upton
2001 Mark Prior Mark Teixera
Best available hitter looks like a pretty good strategy. But this year it would be hard to pass on Straus.
by nwroyal on Apr 29, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow...
2006 was not that long ago and we already have a number of high picks from that draft who are pretty clearly never going to contribute
by royalsreview on Apr 29, 2009 1:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That is the nature of baseball's draft
Every team has high picks from 2006 which so far look like they are never going to contribute.
The immoderate moderator
by NYRoyal on Apr 29, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
on the Moore thing
Allard Baird was fired in May and Dayton Moore was set to take over but since Moore had been helping his previous employer (the Braves) prepare for the draft it was announced that Moore would not be involved in the 2006 draft. I figured there was a wink involved there somewhere. Sure, Dayton Moore would keep his hands off the single most important event to a rebuilding franchise (and that franchise had the #1 overall pick). In retrospect, I think it was completely true-Dayton Moore left Deric Ladnier to do his thing and we ended up with a mediocre draft.
I still just am completely amazed with how this played out. How can you hire a guy for the very reason that he’s a great scout, for a team that HAS to rebuild through the draft, and then you end up having him not running your draft when you have the chance?
Moreover, how did either the braves or the royals let him keep working for the braves on draft day? Seriously, that just doesn’t not make sense to me.
by royalsreview on Apr 29, 2009 1:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ladnier was a Braves guy
there was nothing to worry about
I'm not a sabermetrician, but I do play one at Driveline Mechanics.
by devil_fingers on Apr 29, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They probably just rock-paper-scissored for it, and Ladnier won
"Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it." -Hal McRae
by Sweep_the_Leg on Apr 29, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Moore sat out the draft
He didn’t help anyone (other than any info/opinions he gave ATL before he left).
Here is the Braves draft that year:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/draft/?query_type=franch_year&team_ID=ATL&year_ID=2006&draft_type=junreg
Not a great draft but some players that are still interesting. Cody Johnson is about as big a boom/bust prospect as there is—he’s off to a great start this year.
by nwroyal on Apr 29, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
its amazing how little we know about MLB drafts as compared to NFL ones
do teams use those mythical “boards” do they have multiple ones etc?
by royalsreview on Apr 29, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would imagine
They have a board for the top 100-200 players, and after that the scouts get to pick their favorite players.
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com
by RoyalsRetro on Apr 29, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think there is a board for X number of players
…but you can’t have a board for the 1,000 players who are going to be drafted. Yeah, the NFL vs. MLB drafts are very different. Imagine if the NFL drafted HSers. Here are the top recruits from 2003:
http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=9&c=4&yr=2003
Part of the job of baseball scouts—at least for HSers is to find out where they are going to college, what it would take to sign them. etc.
by nwroyal on Apr 29, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmm... about half of those guys are in the pros
i never knew Brandon Jacobs went to Coffeyville — too bad the Jayhawks stunk back then — they could have been dominating
by marbotty on Apr 29, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jack Z
said that his scouting director will run the draft so maybe it isn’t that odd that the GM doesn’t control the whole thing. The director is responsible for all the scouting and the GM gets only a limited time to scout the players so it would make sense that you would let the director run the draft. The GM probably only scouts the 1st or 2nd pick and in most cases probably is far from the teams best scout.
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.
by kcscoliny on Apr 29, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
interesting
I still don’t know what to make of the Mariner’s org. Yeah, some of the stuff they talked about in the offseason sounded cool, and probalby still will be, but every knows that there’s a big gap between talking a “good game” and executing it. ON one hand, I thought the cheap signings were good and the stats department is potentially good for them (if they bother to use the research), one the other hand, the Griffey signing and moving good young pitchers to the ‘pen… I guess we’ll have to see.
But I think the interesting thing is that Zdurlk;iasklasdhgkljk was the main scouting guy in Milwaukee, right? The guy who would have been in charge of the draft like you say? I think that’s way Moore is doing in KC, too. It’s a good sign of an organizationl leader who knows when to delegate responsibility, which I imagine would be more difficult in an area that is “your thing” like Moore or Jack Z and the draft.
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by devil_fingers on Apr 29, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Baseball is such a different animal with thousands of amateurs even before the team gets to the international level. The baseball draft would be so time consuming that I couldn’t even realize the problems. They start scouting these kids when they are 14 years old and have hundreds of reports on each player, breaking that down would just be too large a job for a GM to stay involved.
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.
by kcscoliny on Apr 29, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I think it is rare for a MLB GM to actually run a draft
I think GM’s are involved in the discussions and deliberations before draft day, but the draft is usually run by the scouting director. In short, the GM delegates the draft decisions to the scouting director.
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by NYRoyal on Apr 29, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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