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Mike Aviles Will Be Fine

"Aviles is so horribly bad..."

"Aviles has been trash."

"Aviles should never swing..."

"I’d say a demotion is in order."

"i hope aviles gets herpes in his dick hole..."

 

Star-divide

WOW.  Take THAT, Mike.  Thanks for the memories, you worthless piece of crap.  Don't let the door hit you on the way back to Omaha.  Hope you never make it back.  I won't even mention the number and severity of STD's I hope you get because you have offended my baseball sensibilities, you lowdown, dirty, rotten scoundrel. 

So, that's apparently how some Royals fans want to react to some expected sophomoric struggles from the man who could have been the MLB Rookie of the Year in 2008, and who was probably the team's MVP last year.  Just throw him out like yesterday's trash, huh??  I beg to differ, my friends.

Mike Aviles will be fine.  I repeat:  Mike Aviles will be fine.  Despite the ridiculous, unrealistic, and over-the-top vitriol that has been floating around RR, I think we can all agree on the reasonable conclusion that Aviles had not gotten off to the same incredible start that he did in 2008.  But that's not surprising.  What IS up for debate (perhaps) is how he will end up performing in 2009 when all is said and done. 

So, what's happened with Mike this year?  Well, his production is not the same as last year, that's very true.  Rather than simply condemning him to a perpetual return to the life of a minor-leaguer, however, I would like to look a little deeper than overreactive, completely emotional responses to in-game results for each plate appearance.

Mike's current BA/OBP/SLG is not good, there can be no argument about that.  He's hitting .206/.228/.289 right now (wOBA .231).  Ouch.  That definitely doesn't look good.  But hey, how about this?  Let's look beyond that and see what's going on behind those numbers.

First of all, he's been about as UNlucky this year as he was LUCKY last year.  His LD% has increased to 21.8% from 20.2%, but his BABIP is .250 this year while it was .359 in 2008.  League average is nearly identical at .303 in 2008 and .302 so far in 2009. 

Beyond the fickleness of Lady Luck, what else might be happening?  Well, as we might expect with a second-year player, the pitchers have learned how to adjust in pitching to him.  While 62.4% of the pitches he saw in 2008 were fastballs, this year pitchers are throwing only 58.5% fastballs.  Instead, they are trying to mess with Mike on the speed of the pitches he sees, as the percentage of changeups he sees has gone from 8.7% to 13.4%.  Nevertheless, Aviles' plate discipline has only gotten better (Seitzer Effect, baby), since he's swinging at 27.3% of the pitches outside the strike zone vs. 35.5% in 2008.

Look, Aviles is obviously aware of the issues that come with his second year in the majors.  He desperately wants to avoid experiencing the "sophomore jinx."  In fact, I think Mike's only problem may be, in my armchair sports psychologist opinion, that he's pressing so hard to prevent it that the pressure he puts on himself is actually making it happen.  He knows that pitchers are adjusting to him and that he needs to adjust to their adjustments.  I think he's a smart enough and good enough professional baseball player that he's going to do so.  Many of you apparently don't think he's capable of it.  

The five projection systems have Aviles wOBA'ing between .328 and .350, all while providing adequate-to-good-SS-defense.   I think they'll end up being right.  And I think that Mike has earned a little faith from Royals fans.  Let's give him at least a little more rope before we hang him in effigy, huh guys? 

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This post is so horribly bad.

You started off your career hot, Sweep, with your pretty, timely, humorous pictures and those oh-so-clever .gifs. But ever since then, you’ve been trash.

You shouldn’t even post anything, anymore. Maybe a demotion to “mere observer” is in order, sitting a couple of plays out and trying to learn how to recapture that freshman year magic.

Of course, if you can’t do that, then I just hope you get herpes in your dick hole.

(Whatever the hell that means.)

by rockchalk on May 10, 2009 2:34 AM EDT reply actions  

wow.

Back to AAA for you and Mike?

The 2009 Official You Got Rocked by the Royals and Sent to the Minors List
1. Josh Rupe TEX April 17
2. David Purcey TOR May 1
3. Brian Burres TOR May 1
4. Bryan Bullington TOR May 1

by 306008 on May 10, 2009 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Psssssh

Stick to the man, you rebel you.

"Do they have people that tall in Mexico?"

by NHZ on May 12, 2009 5:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

*stick it TO

Eff this 5 AM stuff.

"Do they have people that tall in Mexico?"

by NHZ on May 12, 2009 5:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is our next option even good enough to be a bad Aviles?

I mean, I would like to think the people who want a demotion don’t want it because they dislike Aviles, but because they think a demotion will help him get back on his feet. Who knows if that has merit.

Kansas City Royals: your 2006 and 2007 NL Central champions!

by mazoboom on May 10, 2009 3:04 AM EDT reply actions  

not really

at least not in most senses of the word, but hey… one was sorta wrong, so now you can dismiss the whole concept

by Freneau on May 10, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

one was sorta wrong?

:) I’m all for projections, but when it’s the basis of an ENTIRE argument? Come on….

The 2009 Official You Got Rocked by the Royals and Sent to the Minors List
1. Josh Rupe TEX April 17
2. David Purcey TOR May 1
3. Brian Burres TOR May 1
4. Bryan Bullington TOR May 1

by 306008 on May 10, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

The argument is not based on his projections at all

The argument is based on the fact that he’s been very unlucky so far this year, and is hitting line drives (kind of ball most likely to result in a hit) at a better rate than he was last year (albeit 2009 is still a small sample size). He’s also showing more plate discipline by not chasing as many pitches outside the zone as he was last year. That results in better at bats, and better pitches to hit.

Based on those factors, I think his BABIP luck will come up to the norm, and production stats will end up about where most of the projection systems had him this year—not as good as last year, but not as bad as he’s been so far.

"Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it." -Hal McRae

"I was doing this when BJ was in his father's nutsack." -Renzo Gracie

by Sweep_the_Leg on May 11, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

hard to dismiss guys who are always anonymous

like the “Greinke would be better off in the bullpen” genius Jayson stark quoted last season

I'm not a sabermetrician, but I do play one at Driveline Mechanics.

by Matt Klaassen on May 10, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

No.

"Do they have people that tall in Mexico?"

by NHZ on May 12, 2009 5:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Aviles can be a good player.

Is he the answer? Probably long term, yes. But if he doesn’t start hitting again we’ll need someone different for our playoff push. Of course, we won’t sell the farm for that as we have no one to sell in AA/AAA and we better not touch A/A+. I’d rather lose the division in a heart break, learn the lesson, and compete for the next 10 years as a division favorite than sell for this year and be so far back that we suck again.

Aviles is probably in a position where he knows he’s been bad. He’s probably taking extra BP daily and thinking about it when he gets to the plate. He’s stepping in the bucket still and not selecting very good pitches. Even if they are in the zone, most are pitchers pitches. I remember him hitting a bomb in Detroit last year during the last stretch of games there. It was a mistake pitch middle in. Fastball. He drove it out of the yard. With ease. I’ve seen him swing at the same pitch this year multiple times and hit a GB to SS. He’s overswinging. He’s not relaxed. This game gets easier the more relaxed you become.

He’ll either get so tight because he’s not hitting that he gets sent down or he’ll figure it out, relax, and start hitting again. Last year he used the right side a lot. This year, hardly ever.

Let’s go Mike. You’ll get it figured out again. Just don’t get tightened up on us.

The 2009 Official You Got Rocked by the Royals and Sent to the Minors List
1. Josh Rupe TEX April 17
2. David Purcey TOR May 1
3. Brian Burres TOR May 1
4. Bryan Bullington TOR May 1

by 306008 on May 10, 2009 8:47 AM EDT reply actions  

I think one of his biggest problems

is that pitches are feeding him off-speed pitches more steadily than they were last year. He was used to seeing more fastballs, either inside or outside the zone. Now, pitchers have adjusted by throwing strikes, but off-speed strikes which Mike hasn’t quite been able to figure out yet. Like you said, strikes but still pitchers’ pitches. I think trying to figure out the fastball/changeup dilemma is the reason that you see him have a very slight hesitation on a lot of his swings. It’s not enough to cause him to completely miss the pitch, but he’s not swinging with as much confidence as he was last year. You could tell he thought he pretty much knew what was coming on most of his AB’s in 2008.

"Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it." -Hal McRae

"I was doing this when BJ was in his father's nutsack." -Renzo Gracie

by Sweep_the_Leg on May 11, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don't Do This

Mike, please!

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on May 10, 2009 11:56 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Nice sane, rational, thoughtful post Sweep.

It’s a good thing you missed most of last night’s gamethread or you would have been tarred and feathered. The over the top invectives and panic-stricken suggestions to jettison half the team became quite hilarious after a while. It was disappointing to see Zack pick up his first loss, but the doom and gloom and mean-spiritedness that permeated the thread was farcical.

by hunter s. royal on May 10, 2009 1:16 PM EDT reply actions  

So basically Aviles is having a regression to the mean like Banny did last year

I honestly don’t know if he can come back from it. One thing I noticed about him last year is that he got a TON of singles up the middle. I don’t see that so much this year. Last year I though the defense should shift to put someone behind second base and while I haven’t noticed it, they may be doing that this year.

by AxDxMx on May 11, 2009 2:44 PM EDT reply actions  

And that's basically the point

As of right now, he’s regressed BELOW the mean. At least in terms of his BABIP (and obviously his projections…if you believe in that witchcraft mamby-jahambo). With the increased line drives he’s hitting, if his BABIP just came up to the league average, then he’d see a substantial improvement in his production stats.

Of course, maybe this year is just the Baseball Gods’ way of punishing him for selling his soul to the devil to get that .359 BABIP that he enjoyed last year.

"Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it." -Hal McRae

"I was doing this when BJ was in his father's nutsack." -Renzo Gracie

by Sweep_the_Leg on May 11, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

If it came up to league average that would be an improvement for this year,

but the years have to even out at some point. So this year is making up for last year. According to Baseball Reference, his BABIP is still .336 career. That’s still kinda high right?

by AxDxMx on May 12, 2009 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

League average BABIP is generally around .300. His career BABIP is obviously still unduly influenced by his extremely lucky 2008. If he had had average luck last year, then his actual results would have been about where the projections have him this year (wOBA’s of .328 to .350). Without knowing too much about their methods of sorcery, I would think all the systems took into account the high BABIP and adjusted his production stats down to what they should be assuming his BABIP was going to be much closer to the average in 2009. What they didn’t take into account was the equally unlikely prospect that he’d be as unlucky as he has so far in 2009.

Realistically, Aviles should be about a .280/.325/.425 hitter. Which is still pretty damn good for a SS that provides decent-to-good defense. Last year’s overperformance was just as much of a mirage as this year’s underperformance. I just hope the Royals allow him to prove me (and others) right. He’s apparently getting a shorter and shorter leash, but I’m not sure who they have to replace him. Hernandez??? (Really?) Bloomquist? (And lose a ton of flexibility/utility?) Hulett? (Is his defense really good enough to play SS regularly?)

"Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it." -Hal McRae

"I was doing this when BJ was in his father's nutsack." -Renzo Gracie

by Sweep_the_Leg on May 12, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm all for letting him play

He needs to make a few adjustments and he should be fine. His ratios say he is striking out more (13.2% in 2008 to 20% in 2009) and he’s walking 1.2% less than last year (2.9% in 2009). Aviles needs to give in to the magic that is Seitzer, or he’s going the wrong way. As you pointed out above he’s actually swinging at less pitches outside the strike zone, but he’s walking at a slower rate than last year. Now don’t get me wrong, I like Aviles and think he can succeed, but these numbers have me worried.

by AxDxMx on May 12, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good post!

Now can you do one about everyone else on the team that people want to tar and feather unfairly

Note: some players deserve a tar and feathering

by sterlingice on May 11, 2009 8:29 PM EDT reply actions  

all this information....

Hey thanks for this piece of info, I was about to bury Aviles
Of course, I guess all it would take is someone to point out some very glooming statistics/projections for Aviles to average this one out (I mean, besides his current avg, obp, etc…)

Why wasn't I around 24 years ago?

by casual_fan on May 12, 2009 12:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Well, that's the thing...

his production stats are horrible. There’s no debating that. But taking a deeper look at his approach/batted ball stats indicates he’s just been unlucky and maybe having difficulty identifying how pitchers are pitching him a little differently this year. If someone has other stats or scouting reports/quotes that says his production stats are terrible because he actually IS terrible, then I’d certainly be interested to see them.

"Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it." -Hal McRae

"I was doing this when BJ was in his father's nutsack." -Renzo Gracie

by Sweep_the_Leg on May 12, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Injured Aviles?

I thought I saw a post up on mlb.com about aviles having a sore forearm. I’m not sure if its really true, but if so it could be sapping some power and causing some strikeouts.

by OsandRoyals on May 18, 2009 11:18 PM EDT reply actions  

He has hit at every level

The reason I think he’ll be fine if given the opportunity is that he has always hit well. He has hit at every level. He needs to figure out the adjustments.

Maybe he’s a hit a wall and he’s incapable of figuring out Major-League adjustments and maybe he’ll take too much time for the Royals who need support RIGHT NOW because of the opportunity this season is providing but . . .

He is capable. Give him every opportunity. The guy can hit.

by Raisethefencesbackto12feet on May 20, 2009 10:39 AM EDT reply actions  

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