On the subject of class
Can someone please explain to me when the word "class" became an adjective? I ask because it's nearly impossible to absorb even a hour of TV/radio sports analysis without hearing someone describe someone else as a "class guy". When did this become acceptable grammar?
Follow-up questions:
1. In which sports are individuals most commonly described as "class guys"?
2. Have you ever heard said use of "class" outside of a sports-related context?
3. Who invented the "class guy"?
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my guess is that class guy has its roots in "class act"
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I have a few thoughts
I think the simplest explanation is that it stems from the phrase “class act,” where class is an adjective. (I see LeoBloom has the same thoughts)
Also, I think maybe it works better than “classy,” which in a way, if you use that adjective to describe people, you probably aren’t. Futhermore, the word classy has become something of a joke and often has inherent sarcasm. If you call something really classy, you may very well be joking. It’s like calling a person “Slim,” which is basically the same thing as “Fatty” or “Fatso”—literal opposites, but the same meaning. (Or the opposite “fat chance” vs. “slim chance” both meaning slim chance.)
Can’t say that I’ve heard it a bunch, but I will keep my ears open for it.
it is weird when you think about it
I don’t know why “class guy” would be preferable to “classy guy”.
I looked on the OED and found that this usage has been around awhile though.
b. slang or colloq. Distinction, high quality; no class: of no worth; of low quality, inferior. Also attrib. or quasi-adj.
1874 HOTTEN Slang Dict., Class, the highest quality or combination of highest qualities among athletes. ‘He’s not class enough’, i.e., not good enough. ‘There’s a deal of class about him’, i.e., a deal of quality. 1884 Referee 24 Mar. 1/3 The elasticity necessary for anything like class at sprinting departs comparatively early. 1897 Daily Tel. June (Ware), Soldiers! Why, soldiers ain’t no class. 1924 H. DE SÉLINCOURT Cricket Match ii. 26 If he’d had coaching, he’d be a class bowler. 1927 [see ARROW v. 4]. 1927 R. REES Life’s what you make It xii. 161, I’m not ‘much class’. Ibid. 162, I am ‘no class’. 1948 C. DAY LEWIS Otterbury Incident ii. 18 Real class your sister is. Too good for a schoolteacher. 1954 ‘N. BLAKE’ Whisper in Gloom I. iii. 40 It was a class neighbourhood, thought Foxy, surveying the elegant, freshly-painted houses. 1969 A. HUNTER Gently Coloured iv. 52 I’m no class, I know that. I’m where I belong, a working policeman.
though you can see in these british examples that there’s a little different touch to it…
if someone on sports radio says someone is a class guy, they probably aren’t also saying that they think he’s from the upper classes (though in many cases it works out this way)
I hear what you’re saying with OED. (Good call there, by the way. I didn’t think to look it up.) In this case, however, we’re talking about a uniquely American employment of the word. And let’s face it, ESPN and sports radio in general are almost embarrassingly American. OED, on the other hand, contains a number of British colloquialisms.
Looking now, it appears Merriam-Webster only lists “class” as a noun.
The plot thickens..
by thejosephboys on May 19, 2009 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions
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Oops, i read your post too quickly; you already noted the British/OED thing..
by thejosephboys on May 19, 2009 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions
do you ever hear anything other than "class act" or "class guy"?
it may not have spread any further… thankfully
I thought this was going to be about the startling relevation that
symbol of the oppressed masses Joakim Soria, try to support scores of impvoerished family members back in Mexico, actually turns out to be a dentist’s kid.
I'm not a sabermetrician, but I do play one at Driveline Mechanics.
I don't use the term class
It’s etymology is found in privilege, wealth, worth, what is proper.
Every time i hear that someone has “class” I don’t know. I would rather hear someone is a good person, but that’s just me
by GobbleforCyoung on May 19, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
(1) In which sports are individuals most commonly described as “class guys”?
I would think baseball, although they seem to use it in college basketball a lot, especially when talking about coaches.
(2) Have you ever heard said use of “class” outside of a sports-related context?
Sometimes about actors and politicians (oxymoron?)
(3) Who invented the “class guy”?
Kid n PlayInterestingly, this fanpost is the fourth entry if you google “Class guy”.
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...which brings up another point.
It seems to only exist in spoken form. Meaning that, while i hear it all the time on ESPN, i seldom read “class guy” in the paper; opinion column or otherwise. All but securing its inclusion in the sure-to-be-made-someday Smithsonian/Folkways compilation, Oral History Traditions of the American Sporting Green.
(1) I agree about basketball. And, more specifically, college basketball. NFL takes the care though, as i’m not sure it’s possible to hear the name Tony Dungy uttered on ESPN without a requisite “class guy”.
(2) I have never heard “class guy” outside of a sports-related context.
(3) Still searching for that one..
by thejosephboys on May 19, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Gene Debs is rolling in his grave.........
What about Class Warfare my brothers? And I don’t mean the faux warfare perpetuated by the Foxnicks of the world, wherein the big bad media is supposedly drumming up resentment among the lazy and unionized agin the rugged individualist go getters with good old fashioned selfish values. I’m talking the real world, where the rich take from the poor, the dice are loaded, the good guys lost, Leonard Cohen, blah, blah, blah……class is used in horse racing a lot, if a horse drops from running against $10,000 claimers to $2,500 claimers, he is most definitely taking a drop in class.
by Nighthawk at the Diner on May 19, 2009 5:56 PM EDT reply actions

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