Draft Stuff: What kind of player can the Royals expect at #12?
Here we are three weeks before the draft. The talent is beginning to come into focus. We still haven't heard anything from the Royals camp about who they are interested in. I don't expect them to drop names but they normally telegraph whether they are looking pitching or hitting.
What kind of player can the Royals expect drafting 12th overall? Below is a list of the players drafted in slots #12-16 to give us an idea of what kind of talent is available.
2000 1 12 FrRnd 12 WhiteSox Joe Borchard OF
2000 1 13 FrRnd 13 Cardinals Shaun Boyd OF
2000 1 14 FrRnd 14 Orioles Beau Hale RHP
2000 1 15 FrRnd 15 Phillies Chase Utley 2B
2000 1 16 FrRnd 16 Mets via Mariners *Billy Traber LHP
2001 1 12 FrRnd 12 Brewers Mike Jones RHP
2001 1 13 FrRnd 13 Angels Casey Kotchman 1B
2001 1 14 FrRnd 14 Padres Jake Gautreau 3B
2001 1 15 FrRnd 15 Blue Jays Gabe Gross OF
2001 1 16 FrRnd 16 WhiteSox via Marlins *Kris Honel RHP
2002 1 12 FrRnd 12 Angels Joe Saunders LHP
2002 1 13 FrRnd 13 Padres Khalil Greene SS
2002 1 14 FrRnd 14 Blue Jays Russ Adams SS
2002 1 15 FrRnd 15 Mets Scott Kazmir LHP
2002 1 16 FrRnd 16 Athletics via RedSox *Nick Swisher 1B
2003 1 12 FrRnd 12 Mets Lastings Milledge OF
2003 1 13 FrRnd 13 Blue Jays Aaron Hill SS
2003 1 14 FrRnd 14 Reds Ryan Wagner RHP
2003 1 15 FrRnd 15 WhiteSox Brian N. Anderson OF
2003 1 16 Marlins Jeffrey Allison RHP
2004 1 12 FrRnd 12 Angels Jered Weaver RHP
2004 1 13 FrRnd 13 Nationals Bill Bray LHP
2004 1 14 FrRnd 14 Royals Billy Butler 3B
2004 1 15 FrRnd 15 D'backs Stephen Drew SS
2004 1 16 FrRnd 16 Blue Jays David Purcey LHP
2005 1 12 FrRnd 12 Reds Jay Bruce OF
2005 1 13 FrRnd 13 Orioles Brandon Snyder C
2005 1 14 FrRnd 14 Indians Trevor Crowe OF
2005 1 15 FrRnd 15 WhiteSox Lance Broadway RHP
2005 1 16 FrRnd 16 Marlins Christopher Volstad RHP
2006 1 12 FrRnd 12 Rangers Kasey Kiker LHP
2006 1 13 FrRnd 13 Cubs Tyler Colvin OF
2006 1 14 FrRnd 14 Blue Jays Travis Snider OF
2006 1 15 FrRnd 15 Nationals Christopher Marrero OF
2006 1 16 FrRnd 16 Brewers Jeremy Jeffress RHP
2007 1 12 FrRnd 12 Marlins Matt Dominguez 3B
2007 1 13 FrRnd 13 Indians Beau Mills 1B
2007 1 14 FrRnd 14 Braves Jason Heyward OF
2007 1 15 FrRnd 15 Reds Devin Mesoraco C
2007 1 16 FrRnd 16 Blue Jays via Rangers *Kevin Ahrens 3B
2008 1 12 FrRnd 12 Athletics Jemile Weeks 2B
2008 1 13 FrRnd 13 Cardinals Brett Wallace 1B
2008 1 14 FrRnd 14 Twins Aaron Hicks OF
2008 1 15 FrRnd 15 Dodgers Ethan Martin RHP
2008 1 16 FrRnd 16 Brewers Brett Lawrie 3B
What players do you find in these slots:
The Masher: this slot has been a good place to find bats: Utley, Butler, Drew, Bruce, Snider, Dominguez, Heyward, Wallace, Lawrie all look to be somewhere between good and great bats. The problem is that this draft is exceptionally weak when it comes to bats.
The Slider: it is around this slot that occasionally a guy slides to that was expected to be a top 5 pick. Jason Heyward slid to the Braves and is one of the best prospects in baseball. Last year, many of us wanted Justin Smoak and he slid to #11 and is tearing up AA. Lastings Milledge was expected to go higher in 2003. The Marlins thought they had a steal in 2003 with Jeff Allison-until drug addiction ruined his career.
The Riser: We also see players who fly up draft boards at the end: Brett Lawrie last year. Devin Mesoraco the year before. Tyler Colvin to the Cubs in 2006 and perhaps Butler fits the category for us back in 04. Butler and Lawrie look like good picks but Mesoraco and Colvin have not done well.
One last thing: not many of the pitchers have distinguished themselves. Chris Volstad looks like he will be pretty good and David Purcey still has some potential. Ethan Martin and Jeremy Jeffress are still good to decent prospects. Perhaps the most successful pitchers so far are a couple of Angels: Jered Weaver and Joe Saunders.
Rankings:
Almost every year, there is a very good player/prospect drafted between #12-16. After Strasburg and Ackley and a handful of college pichers-I wouldn't be shocked to see any other player available. Grant Green could be that player that drops...but we'll see (and there are still some question marks with him).
My draft board at this point:
- Stephen Strasburg
- Dustin Ackley
- Tyler Matzek
- Kyle Gibson
- Aaron Crow
- Alex White
- Grant Green
- Mike Leake
- Shelby Miller
- Matt Purke
- Donovan Tate
- Tanner Scheppers
- Zack Wheeler
- Jacob Turner
I feel fairly confident that our draft pick is somewhere on the list above. The biggest mover is Grant Green dropping. He's had a good but not great junior season and there have been questions about his defense. All that together with his ‘advisor' (Boras) could cause him to drop. SS is definitely a place where the Royals could use some prospects. If he's available (still a bit of a longshot) and the Royals believe he can stat at SS, he would help at a position of need in the Royals system-he's hit well with wood bats (Cape Cod Summer League).
I know many like Mike Leake (I do too) but he is pitching so well he may not be available when we pick. If you want the Royals to draft him, you might be rooting for him to have some bad outings in the next 3 weeks.
I continue to like the HS pitching in this draft. I've seen Matzek, Miller, Purke, Wheeler, and Turner ranked all over the place-some folks have Matzek first, some have Turner-and just about everything in between. I don't think Matzek falls to us, so I would pick between Miller and Purke.
And there are still the wildcards of Crow/Scheppers. I remember reading that Crow is a big Royals fan and would love to play for us-for whatever that is worth. Mechanics gurus are worried about Crows delivery. Also there are some questions if he will end up in the bullpen-but I think he might be flying a little under the radar. But I trust whoever Dayton Moore and crew wants when it comes to pitching.
Prediction:
I'm torn between Miller and Purke. Purke is left handed-which is a plus. He's got big upside, has the "fiery/competitive" label that the Royals love. But there are questions about his delivery and he throws a slider and the Royals prefer pitchers with a curve (Miller throws a curve). Since I think I predicted Miller a month ago, I'll say Matt Purke. His upside is a little bit higher than Millers but the risk is also a little bit higher.
PS--it is looking like the Grudz will not sign before the draft, so no draft pick compensation for him. That's not good but it hurts less because the Royals can play the system and they will either take some players who drop because of signability or invest in the international market.
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I'd say after 2 big bats drafted
it’s time for another arm. If not that, then a good and true shortstop.
by I need more Esteban on May 20, 2009 11:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
btw nwroyal
really appreciate the draft coverage, doing a great job and keep it up.
by I need more Esteban on May 20, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some good names in there
I’d pick up a good arm in those rounds. The Royals continued success will depend on keeping runs against down.
by CaseyRoyal on May 20, 2009 11:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Grudz signing has ran its course it appears
Melvin(Brewers) has said he isn’t interested. I personally like taking a HS pitcher if any of them are available unless Grant Green drops. If Green is there I really don’t think KC can let him go. Yes his season hasn’t been outstanding but I think people are going overboard with how bad it is. He’s still hitting .370+ and has a OPS of 1000+, Wieters last season wasn’t his best numbers either and that has worked out quite well.
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by kcscoliny on May 20, 2009 12:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm just hoping
for a “baseball player,” perhaps a “Matt Stairs type.”
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by devil_fingers on May 20, 2009 12:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I would've thought
you were hoping for the reincarnation of Jose Guillen with a goat similar to Mike Jacobs.
by I need more Esteban on May 20, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
preferably a class guy
with good bloodlines
by royalsreview on May 20, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we definitely
need players that know how to play the game the right way
"Well, if we destroy Kansas the world may not hear about it for years." Blofeld
The General Theory of Royaltivity
by kabrink on May 20, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seems like at least one of the high upside HS arms will be available
Matzek, Turner, Turner, Miller, Purke, possibly even Wheeler. I’d be really surprised if the Royals didn’t take one of them.
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by RoyalsRetro on May 20, 2009 12:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
isn't the best case scenario at 12...
that glass is inspired by this years team and the buzz around the stadium, and we snag a “signability” guy thats dropped?
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by LeoBloom on May 20, 2009 1:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Are there any signability guys
Other than Jacob Turner and maybe Donovan Tate? I’m not sure I’d want to take a risk on Tate anyway, he has some red flags.
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by RoyalsRetro on May 20, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel like the Royals will take Tate for some reason
by royalsreview on May 20, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmmm... I wonder what that reason could be...
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by devil_fingers on May 20, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Boras clients please
We don’t need the drama that comes with taking a Boras guy. Yeah, I know Hochaver is one, but one could argue, if he wasn’t a Boras client, he would have had the opportunity to start with the Royals on opening day.
by Olentangy on May 20, 2009 1:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Draft the best player regardless of who their agent is
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.
by kcscoliny on May 20, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought the Boras myth
Was popped last year when guys like Pedro Alvarez caved and signed.
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by RoyalsRetro on May 20, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and the year before when guys like moose signed....
Crow wasnt a Boras guy…he didnt sign
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by billybeingbilly on May 20, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
aren’t Moose and Hos both Borass guys? I wish we could avoid it too, but I’d rather take the best guy available for us.
"Well, if we destroy Kansas the world may not hear about it for years." Blofeld
The General Theory of Royaltivity
by kabrink on May 20, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Big Ten Tournament
If you get the Big 10 network you can checkout a couple of my favs. Josh Phegley IU and Dan Black Purdue at 2:30. Black is a 3TO 3rd baseman who has played some catcher. Big Strong and patient reminds me of Jim Thome except that he is a switch hitter. Phegley would be a decent catcher prospect in the 3rd round and I wouldn’t be shocked if he dropped that far because he doesn’t have an ideal stance, body or skills for a catcher but seems to get the job done.
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.
by kcscoliny on May 20, 2009 2:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Is Kyle Gibson
related to Kirk Gibson? We definitely could use a gritty type guy who can hit clutch home runs – and that type of talent only runs in bloodlines, right?
"Well, if we destroy Kansas the world may not hear about it for years." Blofeld
The General Theory of Royaltivity
by kabrink on May 20, 2009 3:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Best. Player. Available.
It doesn’t matter, in my mind, if you take the hitters for 10 years in a row, as long as they are tops on the draft board. Now, if there is a tie or something, then go ahead and address teh position you probably need more help in. But our pitching is stronger than our hitting anyways, and it isn’t even particularly close. At all.
Take the player you think will end up being the best, balancing projection and potential with likelihood to reach said projection and readiness and stuff.
by rockchalk on May 20, 2009 8:09 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
yup
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by devil_fingers on May 21, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
While Strasburg definitely deserves to go #1
I believe he will fall because of signability concerns. If he asks for an MLB deal and $10M bonus, a lot of teams will balk at that. Then again, he may be able to come in right away and contribute from the pen (I think that’s probably ridiculous, but you never know I guess). Does his talent outshine the downside of his agent and demands? Will Washington take him at #1 and eat the pick if they can’t sign him? I’m hoping the demands are so big that he falls to the Royals. I know it is unlikely, but a guy like Porcello dropped to the bottom of round 1 not that long ago. If he is there at 12 and the Royals don’t pick him, I don’t think I’d be pissed, but i wouldn’t be real happy til the guy we picked comes through.
by AxDxMx on May 20, 2009 9:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
There is no way Stras is falling that far.
Washington has pretty much came out and said they are taking him. Even if they passed Seattle has enough money to toss Stras. He’ll probably get in the neighborhood of 15M which isn’t too much considering if he was Japanese he would get around 50M. There are some big market teams in the Top 10 that will not let his talent fall Seattle, SF, Washington.
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by kcscoliny on May 20, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
the public pressure (I’ll assume, despite lack of evidence, that the Nationals do have something resembling a fan base somewhere that cares about them) after all their years of f—- ups… I’d be really, really surprised if they didn’t draft and sign Strasburg.
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by devil_fingers on May 21, 2009 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think teams are worried about signabillity much anymore
More and more small market teams are spending more money on the draft, and the compensation for losing an unsigned player is a nice fallback option if your draftee goes all Aaron Crow. The Nats will definitely take Strasburg.
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by RoyalsRetro on May 21, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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