Beyond Description: Zack Greinke Shuts Down Sox, Improves to 6-0
by royalsreview on May 4, 2009 10:42 PM EDT
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What we're witnessing is the baseball equivalent of Thomas Jefferson penning the Declaration of Independence in 1776, Walt Whitman delivering Leaves of Grass to the Rome brothers in 1855 or Jennifer Love Hewitt walking onto the set of I Know What You Did Last Summer in 1997.
Zack Greinke. Zack Greinke in 2009.
Most justified 6-0 ever.
Zack Greinke. Maybe you saw it coming, maybe you didn't. Maybe you believed there were signs, maybe you thought he'd already peaked. Whatever the case may be, we're at a new, nearly indescribable level (non-Posnanski's of the world) right now.
Pitcher wins are probably the dumbest stat there is, which is saying something in the world of the save and 99% of the tidbits produced by the Elias Sports Bureau that you hear every time you watch a game. Still, has anybody ever deserved to be 6-0 more than Zack Greinke has right now?
First start: 6 IP, 3 BBs, 7 Ks, 3 Hs, 0 Run
Second start: 5 IP, 2 BBs, 9 Ks, 6 Hs, 0 Runs
Third start: 9 IP, 0 BBs, 10 Ks, 7 Hs, 0 Runs
Fourth start: 9 IP, 1 BBs, 10 Ks, 3 Hs, 1 Run
Fifth start: 7 IP, 2 BBs, 8 Ks, 5 Hs, 2 Runs
Sixth start: 9 IP, 0 BBs, 10 Ks, 6 Hs, 0 Runs
On the year Greinke has walked eight and struck out fifty four.
Over the last two years we've all reveled in how awesome it is to have Soria around and how dominant he can be. Right now, what Greinke is doing is completely insane: he's like a shutdown closer, but he's doing it over the entire game.
Headed into the game, his ERA+ was 941. 9-4-1. That number is going to go up tonight. Fangraphs and BP are crashing trying to generate advanced stats on this guy.
What he are watching right now goes beyond the Royals having an all-star, beyond the Royals now having the Cy Young favorite, beyond the magazine covers (have you heard?) even beyond the glory of Karl Ravech's praise. This is borderline historical right now. Honestly, when I think about it, a Cy Young award doesn't capture this kind of dominance well enough.
What Greinke's doing right now is like walking around 1980s Mexico with a hundred dollar bill in his pocket: he can't even buy anything because if anyone gave him change, he'd liquidate the country's assets, so its easier for him to just be given whatever he wants.
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Hey guys...
We’re 4 over 500 and have one of the best pitchers in basball right now…
Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway - An Onymous
by ratherfantastic on May 4, 2009 10:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Calm down
I just like to try and stay modest. He may be the most modest guy on the planet.
Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway - An Onymous
by ratherfantastic on May 4, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
okay, name one that is just as good???
by shakes the clown on May 4, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chien-Ming Wang
I'm not a sabermetrician, but I do play one at Driveline Mechanics.
by devil_fingers on May 4, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
0.40 era, modesty is not thy name.
by shakes the clown on May 4, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For Zack it is.
Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway - An Onymous
by ratherfantastic on May 4, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Modest like a fox
appearances are deceptive sometimes
by shakes the clown on May 4, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No one. Sheesh. I already knew that.
You’ve now ruined my strive to be slightly modest.
sigh
Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway - An Onymous
by ratherfantastic on May 4, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Johan Santana
Greinke’s obviously been better so far this year, but Idk about long term…
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on May 5, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Has anybody deserved 6-0 more than Greinke
Probably not. Maybe Valenzuela in 1981.
The immoderate moderator
by NYRoyal on May 4, 2009 10:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
higher run environment now
even though I hate the earned run rule
I'm not a sabermetrician, but I do play one at Driveline Mechanics.
by devil_fingers on May 4, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even more impressive, Greinke has the best tRA in baseball
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by NYRoyal on May 4, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WHIP is better
I'm not a sabermetrician, but I do play one at Driveline Mechanics.
by devil_fingers on May 4, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
we heart him on this site
"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell
by buddyball on May 4, 2009 10:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Unbelieveable that's all I can say
Chicago really only had 1 or 2 worthy hits all night the kid is just amazing right now
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.
by kcscoliny on May 4, 2009 10:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That works both ways
Konerko blasted two balls the the warning track in center, and Callaspo stole a single in the 9th.
by Nathan_H on May 8, 2009 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I went and saw Wolverine tonight
I couldn’t watch the game and yet didn’t care because I knew when I got out of the movie they would be winning. I look at my phone, 3-0 Royals, and all is right with the world. He’s money right now, and I don’t see that changing too quickly.
You say something like, "Is that it?" I know what you`re trying to say. You`re trying to say, "Aww yeah, that`s it." Then you tell me you want some more. Well...I`m not surprised. But I`m quite sleepy.
by lobes on May 4, 2009 10:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
it's going to take a while to get used too
After Saturday’s game improbable, somebody (and I forgot who so sorry bout that in advance) blogged that there was a very good chance the Royals would be 15-11 after Monday’s game. And I remember looking at that and laughing because you can’t predict future wins as a Royals’ fan. That’s just not something I’m accustomed to. Somehow they’ll mess something up or give up a huge error or bring in a man with a terrible tribal tattoo. I mean, that’s Royals’ baseball.
Well, here we are after Monday’s game and the Royals are 15-11. What a weird feeling.
by sal fasano on May 4, 2009 10:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
On the year Greinke has walked eight and struck out fifty four.
Best stat of all time.
- W. Bloomquist homered to deep center
- P. Earth explodes
by JobDDT on May 4, 2009 10:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i prefer the 0.40 ERA
Fire Hillman
by billybeingbilly on May 4, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's not human
he cannot be human with those stats.
Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway - An Onymous
by ratherfantastic on May 4, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
This must be what it felt like last year for Milwaukee fans, every fifth day when CC would take the mound.
Except we don’t have to worry about if he’ll stick around next year.
by Top Ramen on May 4, 2009 10:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
or eating his pitching coach
I'm not a sabermetrician, but I do play one at Driveline Mechanics.
by devil_fingers on May 4, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the best part.
Four more years.
by hunter s. royal on May 4, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WRONG RR, WRONG!
the Royals are wasting Zack. By having him pitch at the beginning of the game, the Royals forgo the psychological effect of opponents knowing that Zack could come in to “shorten the game.”
Closers = super-duper undervalued
Soria’s still the most valuable player on the team, even on the bench
I'm not a sabermetrician, but I do play one at Driveline Mechanics.
by devil_fingers on May 4, 2009 10:55 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
We failed to notice the psychological effects of Soria
The opponents refuse to hit our starting pitchers for fear that they would face Soria. Brilliant.
You say something like, "Is that it?" I know what you`re trying to say. You`re trying to say, "Aww yeah, that`s it." Then you tell me you want some more. Well...I`m not surprised. But I`m quite sleepy.
by lobes on May 4, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Sox were so afraid of Soria coming in
that they let Zack finish the game.
Well played Trey, well played…
by Top Ramen on May 4, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Greinke's start to the season (and 2008, really)
is sweet vindication for when folks suggested I was retarded for wanting to “screw up” Greinke by moving him out of the pen and into the rotation. Next stop, Mexicutioner!
by marbotty on May 5, 2009 3:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For the record, I think the "keep Greinke in the bulllpen" sentiment was held by a pretty small minority
But you do have your vindication over that ragtag band of status quo-ists.
The immoderate moderator
by NYRoyal on May 5, 2009 3:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's probably the same size as the keep Soria in the bullpen contingent
by marbotty on May 5, 2009 5:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could be, but I don't think so
Greinke was seen as a starter before that season because that was all he had ever been. The he moved to the bullpen where he was extremely effective, but he wasn’t used as a closer. So the combination of long starter pedigree and the fact that the didn’t have the “closer” tag meant that a pretty small minority wanted to keep him in the pen.
The immoderate moderator
by NYRoyal on May 5, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The closer label
Is no excuse for limiting Soria to 70 innings a year.
Also, relievers tear up their arms faster than starters. It’s time to get Soria out of the bullpen.
by Nathan_H on May 8, 2009 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you, though
about the number of folks in each camp, especially within the game.
by Nathan_H on May 8, 2009 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OT: just noticed that the Royals will be missing Felix Hernandez in the short Mariner's series
Everything is breaking our way…well mostly.
The immoderate moderator
by NYRoyal on May 4, 2009 10:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i noticed that earlier....
disappointed b/c I’d LOVE to go watch Felix, but then, not at all disappointed b/c it means we havea good shot to win
Fire Hillman
by billybeingbilly on May 4, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jarrod Washburn will DOMINATE Grass Creek
I'm not a sabermetrician, but I do play one at Driveline Mechanics.
by devil_fingers on May 4, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"breaking" our way.....
and TPJ weeps
by Top Ramen on May 4, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sidney Ponson vs. Carlos Silva: Clash of the Titans.
Oh, it’s on!
by Decatur on May 5, 2009 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zack really sucked in those first two starts of the season...
Blown Save
by BlownSave on May 4, 2009 10:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm waking up early tomorrow to see Greinke's new ERA+
new WAR
new VORP
etc
by royalsreview on May 4, 2009 10:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope a member of the smart set does a "best six game stretch ever" breakdown tomorrow
by royalsreview on May 4, 2009 11:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I take it that this isn't the best time to post my "Bring up Shealy or House to platoon with Jacobs" thing
I'm not a sabermetrician, but I do play one at Driveline Mechanics.
by devil_fingers on May 4, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh, you said "smart set"
I'm not a sabermetrician, but I do play one at Driveline Mechanics.
by devil_fingers on May 4, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jose Lima, 2006 has to be in there
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by devil_fingers on May 4, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We Have the BEST Pitcher in the MAJORS~~
Wow ! I was thinking this morning Zach might be a Ct Young candidate, Someone read my mind!! lol
by JimKC on May 4, 2009 11:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Or better yet, he might be a Cy Young candidate!
For the first time in a long time, I think we all have reason to believe.
Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway - An Onymous
by ratherfantastic on May 4, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
geez, Cleveland can't even put the blue Jays away
they’ve had multiple chances
I'm not a sabermetrician, but I do play one at Driveline Mechanics.
by devil_fingers on May 4, 2009 11:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
geez, DP opp, and they pull DeRosa off the bag
I'm not a sabermetrician, but I do play one at Driveline Mechanics.
by devil_fingers on May 4, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate to say it...
but Cliff Lee’s first 6 starts last year were also incredibly awesome, though he allowed 5 runs
I think he had 39 Ks and 2 BBs
I will now kill myself
by royalsreview on May 4, 2009 11:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
But look what he won in the end...
Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway - An Onymous
by ratherfantastic on May 4, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
is this still all over the tipped hat at the boos a few years back? or is there more backstory?
I'm not a sabermetrician, but I do play one at Driveline Mechanics.
by devil_fingers on May 4, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
one part my somewhat irrational dislike of Lee, one part my generic believe that he was a fluke, one part annoyance that we don’t have to go back to 1902 or somesuch for a similar stretch
by royalsreview on May 4, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yah but he had a weak era of like .81
Zack laughs at the idea of a ERA over half a run. muhahah
"I can resist everything but temptation." - oscar wylde
by cfizzle on May 4, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His first six opponents: @OAK, OAK, @MIN, @KC, SEA, @NY
Greinke: @CHI, CLE, @TEX, DET, TOR, CHI
I think the offensive opponents are in Greinke’s favor in this debate, and Yankee Stadium didn’t have a wind tunnel going out to right last year.
You say something like, "Is that it?" I know what you`re trying to say. You`re trying to say, "Aww yeah, that`s it." Then you tell me you want some more. Well...I`m not surprised. But I`m quite sleepy.
by lobes on May 4, 2009 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But of course this doesn't mean that pitchers who have starts like this are necessarily or even likely flukes
Check out my fanshot with similar starts to Greinke’s. No flukes on that list.
The immoderate moderator
by NYRoyal on May 4, 2009 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For some reason I thought you wrote Nukes
You say something like, "Is that it?" I know what you`re trying to say. You`re trying to say, "Aww yeah, that`s it." Then you tell me you want some more. Well...I`m not surprised. But I`m quite sleepy.
by lobes on May 4, 2009 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, no flukes other than Cliff Lee
(who is actually pretty good) The other names on the list should provide comfort.
The immoderate moderator
by NYRoyal on May 4, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Greatest Royals
I was reading through the posting of the best Royals players of all time. They don,t list Rojas, Patek or Frank White. Who wrote that anyway?
by JimKC on May 4, 2009 11:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
There are thirty players left to be named
You say something like, "Is that it?" I know what you`re trying to say. You`re trying to say, "Aww yeah, that`s it." Then you tell me you want some more. Well...I`m not surprised. But I`m quite sleepy.
by lobes on May 4, 2009 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
RoyalsRetro
is the man responsible for that wonderful series. And The players you name are somewhere in the top 32 that are yet to be revealed.
Hey, Max! Someone else is missing the series too!
Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!
by cmkeller on May 4, 2009 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'll save you the suspense...
TPJ is number one.
where tpj used to happen but no longer does due to his current dl status.
by blue bandwagon on May 4, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this paragraph made me laugh... and is all you need to know about the stat "wins"
Greinke made short work of Jim Thome during Ks in the middle innings, then got Chicago’s slugger to pop up for the final out, joining Brett Saberhagen (1987) and Jose Lima (2003) as the only pitchers in franchise history to win their first six decisions.
where tpj used to happen but no longer does due to his current dl status.
by blue bandwagon on May 4, 2009 11:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sabeerhagen in '87
Through 6 games – 7BBs, 29Ks, and a 1.59 ERA.
Seems rather pedestrian in comparison.
"I've seen the future and it's much like the present only longer." - Dan Quisenberry
by Safe@First on May 4, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
White Sox announcer concluded their broadcast by saying
“Sorry Sox fans, it was the Zack Show Tonight!”
just wanted to make sure you knew this, in case you didn’t read it B4
it’s worth repeating Gotta love it Go Royals
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy."
- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton
by CubFreak on May 4, 2009 11:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
as they used to say about ron burgundy
ZACK GREINKE IS THE BALLS!
where tpj used to happen but no longer does due to his current dl status.
by blue bandwagon on May 4, 2009 11:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
In honor of our victorious Royals
The site members deserve the reward of a Megan Fox video.
You say something like, "Is that it?" I know what you`re trying to say. You`re trying to say, "Aww yeah, that`s it." Then you tell me you want some more. Well...I`m not surprised. But I`m quite sleepy.
by lobes on May 4, 2009 11:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
WOW!!! WHY THE COAT???
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy."
- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton
by CubFreak on May 4, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
late 90s love hewitt may be better
or greinke now, in baseball terms
by royalsreview on May 4, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
buttocks are important
I'm not a sabermetrician, but I do play one at Driveline Mechanics.
by devil_fingers on May 4, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and with regard to Jenna Fischer???
by royalsreview on May 4, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
never get a good look at them
love hewitt was/is pretty hot, but she didn’t have any of the “intangibles” to go along with her obvious advantages — nice face and… torso, but no intangible “sexy” or “girl next door” factor.
Maybe some guys like that “popular as a singer in Japan” factor, I dunno
I'm not a sabermetrician, but I do play one at Driveline Mechanics.
by devil_fingers on May 4, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and we know the literal meaning of tangibles
hey-oo
I can’t tell if Fischer is getting hotter or just dressing better as Pam… of course, that was before that bizarre purple calico dress thing last week
by royalsreview on May 4, 2009 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
is she really dating B. J. Novak?
if so, that’s a major turn off
I'm not a sabermetrician, but I do play one at Driveline Mechanics.
by devil_fingers on May 4, 2009 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've noticed that too
Never been that big a fan of Fischer, but in the last 5 or 6 episodes she’s suddenly started looking hot to me. And I’m also unsure if it’s dress or her, but I’m leaning toward dress — she was often stuck behind the desk, but we’ve seen more of her in her role at Michael Scott Paper Company, Inc.
by KC Gunner on May 5, 2009 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's because she is now not available because of Jim
you always pine for what you can’t have….
"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell
by buddyball on May 5, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You say something like, "Is that it?" I know what you`re trying to say. You`re trying to say, "Aww yeah, that`s it." Then you tell me you want some more. Well...I`m not surprised. But I`m quite sleepy.
by lobes on May 4, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
RR doesn't understand what perving an a semi-talented "actress" is all about
I'm not a sabermetrician, but I do play one at Driveline Mechanics.
by devil_fingers on May 4, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We mentioned a semi-talented actress?
You say something like, "Is that it?" I know what you`re trying to say. You`re trying to say, "Aww yeah, that`s it." Then you tell me you want some more. Well...I`m not surprised. But I`m quite sleepy.
by lobes on May 4, 2009 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My bad, forgot about Jenna, she counts.
You say something like, "Is that it?" I know what you`re trying to say. You`re trying to say, "Aww yeah, that`s it." Then you tell me you want some more. Well...I`m not surprised. But I`m quite sleepy.
by lobes on May 4, 2009 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I kind of like it as a magazine seller, makes me want to look inside the magazine
You say something like, "Is that it?" I know what you`re trying to say. You`re trying to say, "Aww yeah, that`s it." Then you tell me you want some more. Well...I`m not surprised. But I`m quite sleepy.
by lobes on May 4, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
DID YOU BUY THE MAGAZINE
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy."
- Dodgers, Astros, Brewers, A's & Angels pitcher Don Sutton
by CubFreak on May 4, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
Just saying, hypothetically if I saw it on a newsstand.
You say something like, "Is that it?" I know what you`re trying to say. You`re trying to say, "Aww yeah, that`s it." Then you tell me you want some more. Well...I`m not surprised. But I`m quite sleepy.
by lobes on May 4, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oww
umm, I forgot, what do they tell you to do if it’s still this way after 4 hours?
Royals baseball. Where .260 would be orgasmic.
The General Theory of Royaltivity
by kabrink on May 4, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Contact a physician or Megan Fox, either one works
You say something like, "Is that it?" I know what you`re trying to say. You`re trying to say, "Aww yeah, that`s it." Then you tell me you want some more. Well...I`m not surprised. But I`m quite sleepy.
by lobes on May 4, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow, again
This is something even you younger gents can enjoy. The whole list isn’t exactly mine but I wholeheartedly agree with the top 5. And, I approved this message. Enjoy.
Royals baseball. Where .260 would be orgasmic.
The General Theory of Royaltivity
by kabrink on May 5, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
any list that doesnt have diane lane #1 has no credibility with me...
Fire Hillman
by billybeingbilly on May 5, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
She can definitely live at the very top of my list as well,
but I ain’t throwin’ out any of those ladies. OK, maybe Julia, I mean she’s ok, but…
Royals baseball. Where .260 would be orgasmic.
The General Theory of Royaltivity
by kabrink on May 5, 2009 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is this what you're talking about??
This is about all I need to see of Ms. Lane to, ahem, be ready. And, then I see the rest, and …wow…
Royals baseball. Where .260 would be orgasmic.
The General Theory of Royaltivity
by kabrink on May 5, 2009 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If all women aged like her
It would be a cougar paradise.
"It’s not about the guacamole itself," Greinke said. "I just don’t want to let them win."
by lobes on May 5, 2009 2:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if they did
the word cougar doesnt exist in its current incarnation…
Fire Hillman
by billybeingbilly on May 5, 2009 3:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OT: Russ Branyan with HR #7 tonight
I'm not a sabermetrician, but I do play one at Driveline Mechanics.
by devil_fingers on May 4, 2009 11:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
but how many did Mike Jacobs hit last year?
top that
by royalsreview on May 4, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I heard a rumor it was 32
Plus, the stupid Mariners gave Branyan the same salary as Willie F. Bloomquist, who has almost the same OPS right now anyway
I'm not a sabermetrician, but I do play one at Driveline Mechanics.
by devil_fingers on May 4, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I value the ability to play the OUTFIELD (horribly) and the infield more
by royalsreview on May 4, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Willie Can Stand
Anywhere you ask him to.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on May 5, 2009 4:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many home runs does he have to hit to cancel out Willie's Grit Factor.?
You say something like, "Is that it?" I know what you`re trying to say. You`re trying to say, "Aww yeah, that`s it." Then you tell me you want some more. Well...I`m not surprised. But I`m quite sleepy.
by lobes on May 4, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
32, at least
I'm not a sabermetrician, but I do play one at Driveline Mechanics.
by devil_fingers on May 4, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But can he play the D
like our man Jake? Though I’m not sure why this Baconator guy keeps coming in late in games.
by hunter s. royal on May 4, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was at the game tonight.
And if you weren’t, I pity you. Holy fucking best baseball experience ever.
Seriously.
If you weren’t there: be jealous.
realistically speaking
by slayor on May 4, 2009 11:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I saw Zack pitch against Detroit
If my lease were up sooner, I would definitely crash at home for the summer so I could go to Royals home games. Instead, I get to watch them rough up the Cardinals one or twice.
You say something like, "Is that it?" I know what you`re trying to say. You`re trying to say, "Aww yeah, that`s it." Then you tell me you want some more. Well...I`m not surprised. But I`m quite sleepy.
by lobes on May 4, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You in STL?
I’ll be wearing blue in Section 261A on 5/23 and then heading to KC to see one of the DET games.
Royals baseball. Where .260 would be orgasmic.
The General Theory of Royaltivity
by kabrink on May 4, 2009 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I'm correct, right now projected as the fourth starter
I hope Ponson isn’t pitching the 23rd? That would be a buzz-kill.
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by lobes on May 4, 2009 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was just trying to figure that out
but I’m not sure how they will handle the two off days. If they go to No 1 on 12th and count through, it would be Meche. I can’t find a way for it to be Greinke. If Greinke goes on 24 it might be worth staying and trying to get in.
Royals baseball. Where .260 would be orgasmic.
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by kabrink on May 5, 2009 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
better than a 3 single game from Derek Jeter
doubt it
by royalsreview on May 4, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Abso, fucking, lutely
Wow….great ballpark experience…..makes up for last a week ago last friday when i was dead wasted and wondered in around the 5th inning.
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by Discodave on May 5, 2009 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats me tomorrow....
Fire Hillman
by billybeingbilly on May 5, 2009 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No it's not
I think Z-man is capable of even better.
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by Orlando Rays on May 5, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lots of love for Greinke on SportsCenter tonight too
In addition to showing Greinke’s great game highlights, they showed him plunking Swisher and Quentin in prior games and buzzy Ramirez tonight.
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by NYRoyal on May 4, 2009 11:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The baby-faced intimidator.
Must be embarrassing to get shut out by a guy that still looks sixteen.
by hunter s. royal on May 4, 2009 11:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
HAHAHAHAHA
They showed Greinke’s interview on ESPNEWS and i laughed literally the whole time…. I think i have a mancrush on him AND his interviews.
Mike Jacobs.... I hope your bat has as much lift as your hair does.....
by iNaLeXwEtRuSt on May 4, 2009 11:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I have a plan old normal crush on him
Mmm, love it when that man pitches!
Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too. ~Greg, age 8
by loyal2theroyals on May 5, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Walt Whitman? I-hate-you-Walt-Freaking-Whitman
Leaves of Grass, my ass!
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by devil_fingers on May 4, 2009 11:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice Simpsons reference there
And Will, thanks for the thought of JLH…Saw a bit of a Ghost Whisperer episode or whatever at an airport recently, and was pleased to see she is still looking pretty good.
by KC Gunner on May 5, 2009 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As I go to watch sports highlights for hours instead of studying
Being a Royals fan is almost cool again, not Cosmo Kramer cool, but it’s getting there.
You say something like, "Is that it?" I know what you`re trying to say. You`re trying to say, "Aww yeah, that`s it." Then you tell me you want some more. Well...I`m not surprised. But I`m quite sleepy.
by lobes on May 5, 2009 12:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Zack let Olivo know his bats not cutting it,
i think its time zack took olivo into the film room..haha.
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by cfizzle on May 5, 2009 12:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Royals sold 21K seats...
with like 8,700 walk up purchases…
Yankees could not sell out their first home game vs the Red Sawx…
Its sad that the New York is 14 million people and they had 6 thousand empty seats
Are you telling me Jesus Christ cant hit a curve ball?
by averagegatsby on May 5, 2009 12:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It was definitely a great game
I wish more had been there, but give it until the weekend/the end of the school year. Parents will be more willing to ship their kids out to the ball park if there’s no school tomorrow.
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by loyal2theroyals on May 5, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can add another 3000 or so in the parking lot.....
Monday night……
They were parking people in GATE E!!!!!! That’s the coachs lot…on the other side of ARROWHEAD!!!! 21,000 my ass…..there were 25,000+ at the K tonight, even if 22K was the turnstile count. You could tell by the parking lot. I told my buddy, a Tigers fan, that the only way for Zack to lower his ERA was to throw a shutout……think about that….Middle of May….9IP, 1ER = rise in ERA……………in…………….fu………….ck…………..in…..g………….sane
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by Discodave on May 5, 2009 1:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
in..........sane.........
If you don't understand it, kill it.
by Discodave on May 5, 2009 1:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
there is no word in the english language that can discribe this...
so i am forced to make one up… scrumtrilesent
My stories a lot like yours only more interesting because it involves robots!
by AvilesRotY on May 5, 2009 1:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
three hours later, I still feel good
by royalsreview on May 5, 2009 1:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I just checked, and
I’m still high as a damn kite on this Greinke business. GLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
Self-pimping time: I wrote about Greinke for Ladies… . I believe that’s only the 2nd or 3rd post in Ladies… history to mention FIP. But there will be many more.
WTF, self?
by minda33 on May 5, 2009 2:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You get mad props
There needs to be more on our boys in blue on Ladies…!
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by loyal2theroyals on May 5, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Minda with the link on Deadspin
http://deadspin.com/5240747/catch-a-ride-on-the-greinke-train
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by Rowyal on May 5, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was also at the game tonight
probably the single greatest Royals game I’ve ever been to (probably #1 was in 2003 when we were still in the race). I’ll comment more tomorrow more, though. Go Greinke and f’n go Royals!
by I need more Esteban on May 5, 2009 2:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Best Royals Game I ever attended was in 2003
12-9 victory over the Yankees on August 11, 2003 That was right before I went to college and right before the bubble burst.
My parents and I were so used to not having to buy tickets ahead of time that we couldn’t get five tickets, only 3. It was a full house. My mom and dad, bless them sat in the parking lot for the entire game, as I watched with my brothers. Actually, until that Greinke start against the Royals last month, my parents hadn’t seen a Royals victory in person since Tim Belcher was pitching.
I would say my second favorite was watching Greinke pitch last month, mainly because after he gave up that run he completely locked down the Tigers.
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by lobes on May 5, 2009 2:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
whoa whoa whoa
I’m almost positive that this might be the same game I’m talking about….I went to a lot of games that year and I remember a really high scoring one where Aaron Guiel doubled down the left field line on a 3-0 pitch (don’t know why that sticks out in my head). I also remember an Angel Berroa inside the park homerun, but I feel like that was a different game.
That is some really crazy stuff.
by I need more Esteban on May 5, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry Royals Review YOU CANNOT TALK!
REMEMBER YOU WERE THE ONE WHO TALKED ABOUT HIS CONTRACT EXTENSION BEING OK!!!
GET OUT OF HERE MAN!
by GobbleforCyoung on May 5, 2009 8:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Okay man
seriously, do you want me to dig up YOUR post about Greinke’s extension being “just” ok?? Actually verbatim, “good, but not great”
Everyone is happy again. Dayton Moore shines again and a host of values have been reaffirmed. Greinke delivered a classic presser to boot. Zack Greinke is a tremendous pitcher, and the type of elite, top-end talent the franchise needs to win the Division. He’ll be around until the end of the 2012 season, or at least could be. Its a good day to be a Royals fan, but perhaps I’m the only one who slowly and partially, is seeing a distinct lack of AWESOME!! in the big deal. Goodness, yes. Awesomeness, meh.
Reportedly, the contract breaks down like this:
2009 3.75
2010 7.25
2011 13.5
2012 13.5
This is a good deal, but I think a point of negativity, if you will, needs to be made. The Royals aren’t really saving money here, so much as creating a scenario akin to if Greinke had merely gone to arb/pre-arb deal for two years, then signed a two-year /$27 million dollar contract after the ’10 season. $13.5 per is actually quite a lot of money for payoffs years down the road. Sure, according to various sabermetric models, Greinke will likely be worth it, but this may be a lot closer to “breaking even” than you think.
by GobbleforCyoung on May 5, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still don't see how only saying a contract extenstion was good rather than great...
has anything much to do with how greinke’s pitching now
especially considering he would have been a royal in 2009 & 2010 anyway
by royalsreview on May 5, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
The quality of the contract depended on his value at the time, not on how well he was going to pitch in the future.
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by NYRoyal on May 5, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
are you being sarcastic????
Some GM’s are pretty stupid (like whoever gave out Zito’s contract)
But a multi year contract has everything to do with predicting/assessing future value.
Greinke’s, Soria’s and Meche’s contract all have very good value because their performance has improved after signing the contract. Isn’t this what being a GM is all about? Figuring this out
by GobbleforCyoung on May 5, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He said the deal was GOOD
what is your problem?
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by mazoboom on May 5, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Retarditis
of the cerebral cortex
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by kcbottom9th on May 5, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shut up prick
man some serious trolls on this board….Do you suffer from this “retarditis”??? Why don’t you go refresh your memory on the thread RR created in January.
http://www.royalsreview.com/2009/1/26/737179/second-thoughts-on-the-gre
Perhaps at the time you didn’t think this was the BEST THING TO HAPPEN TO THE ROYALS ORGANIZATION SINCE 1985.
But not you are fool if you don’t. Calling the contract “good, but not great” can be construed as “it’s not THAT great” when its been PROVEN (through Greinke’s first 6 starts) THAT its great.
by GobbleforCyoung on May 5, 2009 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are warned
Keep it up and you’ll get another timeout.
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by NYRoyal on May 6, 2009 2:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay NY Royals
so its okay for Kcbottom9th to call me a retart but I can’t defend myself???
What kind of justice system is that?
And for the record I think Buster Olney just clarified what I was saying with this:
Question for Debate: Is Greinke now, and by far, the most untouchable player in baseball? Think about it: He’s now in the first year of a new deal that pays him a total of $38 million and secures him in Kansas City through the end of 2012. If Greinke wins the Cy Young this year while making $3.75 million and is owed just about $34 million over the next three, can we just hand Dayton Moore the award for best executive? (That’s before considering this team could win the Central with another bat.) Ron Mahay, Coco Crisp, Kyle Farnsworth, Gil Meche and Jose Guillen make more this year just on this team; given that, there may not even be a package of established players or uber-prospects you could hand KC and nab him.
by GobbleforCyoung on May 6, 2009 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have responded to your e-mail about this
His comment was close to the line. Yours was way over the line. You have frequently crossed the line and you were suspended once for doing so. You should know where the line is by now. Don’t cross it again.
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by NYRoyal on May 6, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Moore looks like a friggen genius for locking him up now!
He would have been given 200 million over 10 years if he kept this up all year. “just ok” ….. you look like a fool now
by GobbleforCyoung on May 5, 2009 8:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Moore is looking good in a lot of ways
Jacobs, at least according to myself, is a great bat to have in the lineup and brings a great attitude to the ball club. And he’s fairly young. Great move by Moore. Bloomy is also a great versatile player to have on the team. Good move by Moore. Locks Greinke up early = brilliant. Juan Cruz signing was very necessary and a good move. Moore has proven he has an eye for good pitching. Moore has won more games every year he has been here (2 thus far) and ahead of pace this year. [displays line graph] that folks is an upward trend. The pitching staff is looking good with Luke Hochevar itching to take Ponson’s spot. Ponson you could argue was a waste of time but I can’t blame him for looking for a cheap souce of talent. Ponson is a tough minded pitcher that sucks right now. Farnsworth has lived up to his reputation and if that’s the worst Moore did this year then I think you argue he and Hillman are worthy of credit. If for no other reason than changing the culture of this ballclub. Guillen has never been one to beat around the bush – if he says this can be a special year then I believe him.
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by JChief on May 5, 2009 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yea, and who could forget Coco Crisp
Kudos, Moore.
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by JChief on May 5, 2009 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you should go after that "Farnsworth is awesome,' guy, too
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by devil_fingers on May 5, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Moore looks like a genius?
It was a fairly obvious move.
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by mazoboom on May 5, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah right
next thing you’ll be telling me is that Allard Freaking Baird could have picked up on Greinke’s potential
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by devil_fingers on May 5, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was pretty much said during the offseason
The extension was priority one and if it didn’t get done, Moore would have immediately moved straight to the negative side of the ledger.
by sterlingice on May 5, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I also can't say enough about Callaspo
He leads the AL in doubles and has been hitting the daylights out of the ball. Makes solid contact almost every at bat. He has been a huge part of our success this year. And I would say he’s solidified his role as a starter for this ballclub.
With Gordon hurt somebody had to step up and do what Gordon was supposed to with all of his “potential”. Thus far Callaspo is filling that need by scoring runs for us.
Go Royals!
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by JChief on May 5, 2009 9:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The team could be better, though
Think what we could do with a Lefthander in the rotation!
by BrRoyal on May 5, 2009 9:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
True but when Hoch gets here I think we'll win plenty this year
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by JChief on May 5, 2009 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1137
That is Zack’s ERA+ today. Wow.
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by RoyalsRetro on May 5, 2009 9:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
1173 per baseball reference.
by Bart41 on May 5, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Greinke's so awesome
he can increase his ERA+ during the morning after his start.
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by devil_fingers on May 5, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Serious question
can ERA+ change day-to-day since it’s based off league ERA?
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by mazoboom on May 5, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that a good question
I hadn’t thought of that, but it makes sense. I almost never use ERA+, so maybe someone else knows for sure.
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by devil_fingers on May 5, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it can (theoretically anyway)
On a similar note, by next week, Alex Gordon’s OPS+ may sink below 35.
by Gopherballs on May 5, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what a disappointment
I can’t believe he’s getting a free ride. It’s a month into the season and his wOBA is still .261
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by devil_fingers on May 5, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a believer
I don’t think I’ve felt this excited about the Royals since I was a kid.
by ChiefsDude on May 5, 2009 10:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
BREAKING NEWS!!!!
810 has confirmed that was NOT, I repeat that was NOT Guy Fieri at the ballpark last night acting like a douche to Joel Goldberg. It was an imposter!
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by RoyalsRetro on May 5, 2009 10:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that's effing funny
Come on, Annie, think of something clever to say, huh? Something full of magic, religion, bullshit. Come on, dazzle me.
by BillyMojo on May 5, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This just goes to show Allard Baird was a genius
as suspected
by marbotty on May 5, 2009 10:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
h aha
good one
we all know that Dayton Moore built this club from the ground up. I suspect he really influenced the drafting of Greinke through his Braves contact Ladnier. It’s the only reasonable explanation
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by devil_fingers on May 5, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
most never doubted his scouting ability
by I need more Esteban on May 5, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My girls and I were gonna head to the game Wednesday
But spontaneity hit Loyal2 last night. Who could possibly give up on a chance to see her favorite Royal for the first time this season??? Shopping before, an awesome game…I love knowing that this kid has been my favorite player since November 2004. I have to admit that I picked him on a whim, but Loyal2’s dad confirmed he was a good one to pick and we went with it. I’ve had my over-worn Greinke jersey for almost 4 years now.
My first Royals game as an official hardcore, bleeding blue fan, was back on May 31st of 2005; Buddy Bell was at his first game as Skipper, we were going against the Yankees, and my boy was on the mound to start the game which we eventually won. 2006 never phased me; perhaps saddened me that I couldn’t see him playing every 5 days, but I’ve never lost faith in Zack. And now he’s the best in baseball.
I’ve gone from seeing maybe one or two other Greinke shirts or jerseys at a game to seeing tons. There’s a little touch of pride knowing that I was way ahead of this bandwagon, but I will take people jumping on for all it’s worth. Zack deserves all this attention (even if he may not want it) because of the way he commands a ball game, the way he can guarantee a hilarious as shit post game interview, the way that he’s just…Zack. Love every minute of it, and I can’t wait to see where this season leads to!
Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too. ~Greg, age 8
by loyal2theroyals on May 5, 2009 11:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Was at the game last night
Amazing game, had so much fun.
I will say that the crowd was pretty damn good. For my money, it’s hard to find better sports fans than Kansas City fans. People from St. Louis and Boston want to talk crap and say, “Well, why don’t you fill the stadium up then?” I want to scream back at them that they wouldn’t fill their stadiums up either if they had 1 winning season in the last 25 years. Well KC fans came out in 2003 for a fluke run and they will come out even more now for a real year.
Many times last night the fans went wild for Zack as he came off the field and onto the field, it was electric in Kaufman last night and it was so damn cool.
Go to as many games as you can this year, but if nothing else, you have to go see Zack Greinke pitch once this season.
by I need more Esteban on May 5, 2009 12:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he'd better pitch when they come up here
that’s okay. Maybe I can get tickets for a Ponson-Tallet duel
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by devil_fingers on May 5, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But remember with the exchange rate
Greinke’s runs allowed would be 17% higher.
by Gopherballs on May 5, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was awesome.
Does Kyle Snyder pitch tomorrow? Oh wait, I think it’s Jeff Austin
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by Matty486 on May 5, 2009 1:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
nevermind
I just looked…It’s Dan Reichart
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by Matty486 on May 5, 2009 1:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The real question is
what would have happened if Jennifer Love Hewitt, instead of the other girl from that show I never watched, walked onto the set of Wild Things in 1997?
by Gopherballs on May 5, 2009 1:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
my mind just exploded at the thought.
the world as we know it would have ended.
by Bart41 on May 5, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
could she have played the "outsider loner" with her looks?
Neve Campbell - I actually started working on a composition (mostly instrumental) called "I’m so F—ing sick of Neve Campbell."
Party of Five… almost as bad as Ally MacBeal.
Um, From what I’ve heard.
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by devil_fingers on May 5, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
stupid cross-out
I'm not a sabermetrician, but I do play one at Driveline Mechanics.
by devil_fingers on May 5, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You've got to start training yourself to use ellipses or parentheses...
or something instead of hyphens/dashes. Either that, or Will is going to have to ask SB Nation to reprogram the comment formatting software.
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by Sweep_the_Leg on May 5, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never made it past the BoDeans song
BoDeans were one of my favorite bands of the late 80s and 90s, in large part because they played a lot of live shows at relatively small venues like clubs, theaters, and block parties. Then one of their old songs was used as the theme song, and the next time the band came to town they played a cavernous auditorium and the crowd was mostly teeny boppers and their parents who sat down for the entire show except for that one damn song. I think the next time they came to town they were back to playing the local theater, and all was right with the world again.
by Gopherballs on May 5, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't even remember that
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by devil_fingers on May 5, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This graph is great.
Royals baseball. Where .260 would be orgasmic.
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by kabrink on May 5, 2009 3:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
below 50% the whole way, the Sux never even had a chance
by benfunke on May 5, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Royals Review can you atleast admit you were wrong??? Is your ego that big???
Everyone is happy again. Dayton Moore shines again and a host of values have been reaffirmed. Greinke delivered a classic presser to boot. Zack Greinke is a tremendous pitcher, and the type of elite, top-end talent the franchise needs to win the Division. He’ll be around until the end of the 2012 season, or at least could be. Its a good day to be a Royals fan, but perhaps I’m the only one who slowly and partially, is seeing a distinct lack of AWESOME!! in the big deal. Goodness, yes. Awesomeness, meh.
Reportedly, the contract breaks down like this:
2009 3.75
2010 7.25
2011 13.5
2012 13.5
No the contract is unbelievable right now for the mere fact if he hit the open market after pitching like this he would command more than Sabathia
by GobbleforCyoung on May 5, 2009 4:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
to be succint
we are getting him for 27 million for two seasons whereas he would be getting 27 million a year in 2011….
a 6 year 159 million dollar contract is not out of the question. Sabathia got a 7 year 161 million dollar contract.
by GobbleforCyoung on May 5, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are making two different arguments
1) I can’t be positive about Greinke’s pitching b/c I was mildly (extremely mildly) critical of Moore’s contract
and now
2) this new level of performance means that that deal was even better/more money saving, etc.
I can see some merit to 2 but I don’t get 1. Though you are forgetting that Greinke would not be on the FA market next week, or after this season for that matter.
by royalsreview on May 5, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where does 1 come from?
It’s clearly two. You broke down the contract value for the two post arbitration years. He would have hit the open market after next season.
Its pretty clear now a dozen teams would jump at the chance to sign him and the bidding would have went to 20 million +. I don’ t think anyone can question this.
I’m not immune to your thought process either. I have been a fan (its funny to see the band wagoners now!) long enough to remember Greinke getting shelled in the Royals first game after the All Star game bringing his ERA briefly above 4.00.
I do remember that. Perhaps you are the kind of person that looks at the glass is half full. That is the only way I can understand any fan of the Royals to not be ecstatic/euphoric over the Greinke extension in Jan
by GobbleforCyoung on May 5, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
geez i can't bring myself to proofread on a message board
glass half – empty!!!
by GobbleforCyoung on May 5, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the inability to hit "Reply"
Also…succinct?
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Bring On The Cats
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