Dan Gutierrez sent to bed without any supper by the Royals
by NYRoyal on May 7, 2009 12:20 AM EDT
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In Greg Schaum's post-game show on 610, he reported the following story which is disjointed and full of holes due to the fact that I don't think anyone, including Schaum knows even half of what is going on here:
In spring training, Royals pitching prospect Dan Gutierrez roomed with Scott Boras clients Mike Moustakas and Eric Hosmer. Sometime this spring Gutierrez switched agents and became a Boras client. Also this spring, Gutierrez has been rehabbing from some sort of non-major injury (which is why he's been in extended spring training and not assigned to a minor league team). Apparently some conflict arose recently between the Boras/Gutierrez camp and the Royals about who Gutierrez should be working out and rehabbing with. Boras/Gutierrez wants it to be their guy and the Royals want it to be their guy. The conflict has gotten heated enough that the Royals have "sent Gutierrez home for personal reasons."
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If the plan was for me to supplement this fanpost in the comments,
I fail at the plan. I have no additional knowledge at this time.
WTF, self?
by minda33 on May 7, 2009 12:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Cozy up to Greg Schaum and see what you can get
Was he your source for the info that there was bad news re: Gutierrez?
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by NYRoyal on May 7, 2009 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep.
I think he only warned me so I wouldn’t be blindsided. He knows I’m fond of Guz, so it was nice of him. ‘Course, now I’m gonna be scared of my phone when Schaum’s name comes up on the caller ID…he’s the bringer of bad news!
WTF, self?
by minda33 on May 7, 2009 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope we get a Star story on this at some point
by royalsreview on May 7, 2009 12:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
has the Star written anything about the minors/draft since the season began?
by nwroyal on May 7, 2009 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dutton does, in his notebook, but usually just good things that are noteable.
like Luke Hochevar tearing it up. thats about it though
"I can resist everything but temptation." - oscar wylde
by cfizzle on May 7, 2009 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, there is that kind of stuff...
the patently obvious stuff gets written about in the notes section—but things like this or didn’t they used to do a once a week write-up on some of the prospects?
by nwroyal on May 7, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That'd be really nice. A weekly writeup.
I personally don’t think they will write anything, unless it gets worse, or its worse than it seems.
"I can resist everything but temptation." - oscar wylde
by cfizzle on May 7, 2009 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is the type of stuff where Boras gets in the way.
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.
by kcscoliny on May 7, 2009 12:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
weird...
I’m not real sure what to think…other than how great it is to have one more Boras client in the fold…maybe Gutierrez, Hosmer, and Moose will all hit free agency the same year..wouldn’t that be great
by nwroyal on May 7, 2009 12:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
"getting sent home"
sounds like Boras won. Now the guy can work out “with his guy”.
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by kabrink on May 7, 2009 12:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
too me it sounds more like
“until you do what we say, the people that pay you, we don’t want you around.”
"I can resist everything but temptation." - oscar wylde
by cfizzle on May 7, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except that he'll be on the restricted list and won't be allowed to pitch probably until he apologizes and behaves
And missing most of another season on the restricted list (like 2007) isn’t the way that you develop into the kind of pitcher that gets a good payday.
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by NYRoyal on May 7, 2009 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good
I’m sure we’ve heard almost nothing about this story. But, I hate TO-type me, me, me players.
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by kabrink on May 7, 2009 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ill take a TO type player anytime....
HOFer
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by billybeingbilly on May 7, 2009 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure I guess I'd take TO
but only as a late-inning outfield defense replacement. He hasn’t really proven himself with the bat.
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by mazoboom on May 7, 2009 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a HOF player (maybe)
and an utterly destroyed team?
Royals baseball. Where .260 would be orgasmic.
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by kabrink on May 7, 2009 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so...
you’ve obviously got a list of teams that TO played for that improved after he left, right?
Fire Hillman
by billybeingbilly on May 7, 2009 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If being a future HOF'er was all that mattered....
then they’re sure are a LOT of really stupid teams that have let him go.
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by Sweep_the_Leg on May 7, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem here is that Gutierrez's BS is preventing him from playing
And if you aren’t playing, you aren’t helping your team or the organization.
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by NYRoyal on May 7, 2009 2:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh, he was rehabbing, and
the team was taking it VERY slowly. He’s still rehabbing, just with the Boras people instead of with the Royals. As long as they figure out a solution and he comes back to the Royals…whatever.
WTF, self?
by minda33 on May 7, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This could lessen the chance of taking a Boras client this June
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.
by kcscoliny on May 7, 2009 12:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well now we have our trade piece at the deadline.
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.
by kcscoliny on May 7, 2009 12:39 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Herrera had a GOOD first outing
5 IP 3 H 0 R only 1 K 0 Bb 9-4 Gb/Fb
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.
by kcscoliny on May 7, 2009 12:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He just need a little Fisher to Scola action to put him back in his place.
(Lakers vs. Rockets game) Fish leveled scola and was ejected.
"I can resist everything but temptation." - oscar wylde
by cfizzle on May 7, 2009 12:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Fisher is a punk
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by RoyalsRetro on May 7, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so's scola, that guy just trys to get under peoples skin.
I like the rockets, i mean Yao, its hard not to like a class act like yao. Artest i thought had turned himself around, and was done with his young hot head stuff, but last night was different, although he did get jacked in the jaw by a Kobe elbow.. he had a legitimate gripe.
"I can resist everything but temptation." - oscar wylde
by cfizzle on May 7, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crazy people don't just become "done" with craziness.
He may have gained some perspective, but he’s still not alright in the head.
by BrRoyal on May 7, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or maybe he did, maybe being in sacramento or "taking a break"
fixed him and he’s now on the medication he needs to become a successful pitcher in this league… wait a minute, why are we talking about basketball on a baseball blog. I shouldn’t have brought it up in the first place.
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by cfizzle on May 7, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FWIW (probably not much)
I am awaiting Daniel’s reply. I’m not expecting much new, because I know Boras is careful and coaches his clients very well. It’s worth a shot.
WTF, self?
by minda33 on May 7, 2009 12:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
gettin' the scoop, awesome
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by mazoboom on May 7, 2009 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
she must have one of those cool fedoras with a press card in the brim
Royals baseball. Where .260 would be orgasmic.
The General Theory of Royaltivity
by kabrink on May 7, 2009 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that was fast.
Here, in its entirety, is Guz’s answer:
Differences between myself and the royals, im doing my rehab work with the boras corp.
So….nothing we didn’t already know. Sad.
WTF, self?
by minda33 on May 7, 2009 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so sounds like the Royals lost.
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by mazoboom on May 7, 2009 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not really
he’s the loser. if he doesn’t act right, he will never pitch in the big leagues… the end. he ain’t that talented, better get in line.
realistically speaking
by slayor on May 7, 2009 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, I understand that
but he got what he wanted, and the Royals clearly wanted something else or there would have been no dispute.
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by mazoboom on May 7, 2009 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He also wants to pitch in the minor leagues this year
And he’s going to have to come back to the organization hat in hand to ask them pretty please if he can play, and promise to do what he’s told like a good boy. He needs to understand that until his pre-FA service time is up, he’s a slave to his organization. They own him lock, stock and pitching arm. He has absolutely no leverage.
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by NYRoyal on May 7, 2009 2:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Technically that's not true
If the Royals release him for misbevavior, he can probably make his way back through independent leagues, if he’s really good enough.
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by cmkeller on May 7, 2009 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
But unless the Royals are just being absolutley draconian and unresonable, then going that route (independent leagues) is NOT what you’d want to do.
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by Sweep_the_Leg on May 7, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Boras Corp.
Ominous yet somewhat amusing.
by hunter s. royal on May 7, 2009 1:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Update!
Don’t worry I’ll be back soon!
I feel marginally better now.
WTF, self?
by minda33 on May 7, 2009 1:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This is a quote from him?
This guy’s an ass. ASS.
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by kabrink on May 7, 2009 8:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, a direct quote.
Yeah, like I said above, this whole thing is a little weird to me because he has always struck me as a pretty sweet guy. I’m pretty sure he hasn’t magically transformed into a greedy, evil bastard just because he has signed with Satan Boras.
WTF, self?
by minda33 on May 7, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but if he hasn't yet,
his time will come. I heard he wanted to be trade to the Yankees/Red Sox/Dodgers/Angels/Chicago?
The 2009 Official You Got Rocked by the Royals and Sent to the Minors List
1. Josh Rupe TEX April 17
2. David Purcey TOR May 1
3. Brian Burres TOR May 1
4. Bryan Bullington TOR May 1
by 306008 on May 7, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
From my fanpost above (from Schaum's story on the radio)
Apparently some conflict arose recently between the Boras/Gutierrez camp and the Royals about who Gutierrez should be working out and rehabbing with. Boras/Gutierrez wants it to be their guy and the Royals want it to be their guy. The conflict has gotten heated enough that the Royals have “sent Gutierrez home for personal reasons.”
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by NYRoyal on May 7, 2009 2:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm surprised know one has picked up on the Hosmer/Moustakas/roomates angle
THROUGH HOSMER AND MOUSTAKAS, BORAS IS DESTROYING THE ROYALS!!!111ONE
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by devil_fingers on May 7, 2009 10:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
or no one
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by devil_fingers on May 7, 2009 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree! We must get rid of Hosmer/Moustakas!!
The 2009 Official You Got Rocked by the Royals and Sent to the Minors List
1. Josh Rupe TEX April 17
2. David Purcey TOR May 1
3. Brian Burres TOR May 1
4. Bryan Bullington TOR May 1
by 306008 on May 7, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Hochevar, for good measure.
A cleansing of epic proportions!
WTF, self?
by minda33 on May 7, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They just need to be segregated from the rest of the minor leaguers so that they don't infect them with their Boras-related Ego and Greed Syndrome (BEGS)
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by NYRoyal on May 7, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gutierrez is obviously selfish, too
wanting to choose his own rehab doctors/trainers/whatever. Since when do Americans care about choosing their own doctors?
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by devil_fingers on May 7, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He just doesn't get it
But really, he just doesn’t get it.
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by NYRoyal on May 7, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
mentioned it
schaum mentioned last night that very thing…if the whole segment was posted word for word u would have heard him talking about where the relationship started
"our deepest fears are not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fears is that we are powerful beyong measure."
by gashousegang on May 7, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the relationship i mean
schaum talked about the moose and hosmer connection and how they were roomates this off season
"our deepest fears are not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fears is that we are powerful beyong measure."
by gashousegang on May 7, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like Gutierrez/Boras are trying the Beltran approach
You don’t like it? Go ahead and release me then. I dare you
by Top Ramen on May 7, 2009 10:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that bodes well for the Royals
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by devil_fingers on May 7, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Schaum and Gutierrez
I think what Schaum said is to just let you be aware of what is going on…it is my understanding that he also said that Gutierrez is not working out with Tom House who is the preferred Boras pitching coach. Simply, the story here is that the Royals hard line is that Gutierrez is gone due to personal issues (which is scary if that is the only thing you know because of his prior issues) I think it was important for Schaum to also tell the Gutierrez side of the story….which is exactly what Minda has now shown in this forum.
The fact is that the Boras corp is the agency that most every young player in the game wants to be with…they protect their guys and I don’t think it is fair for the fans to be mad at a kid that was a 33rd round draft pick that is now lucky enough to be a Boras client just 3 years later….
"our deepest fears are not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fears is that we are powerful beyong measure."
by gashousegang on May 7, 2009 11:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
I don’t think it is fair for the fans to be mad at a kid that was a 33rd round draft pick that is now lucky enough to be a Boras client just 3 years later…
I don’t get this at all. He’s an employee and part of his job is to rehab from injuries with his boss’s people. He’s supposed to be working out with his employer’s trainers and pitching with his employer’s pitching coaches. Right now that is supposed to be his day-to-day “work.” He’s basically told his boss “no, I’m going to do what I want.” Now, are we not supposed to be “mad at the kid” even though he’s done this because he’s become a good enough prospect to become a Boras client? Congrats, Danny. Now shut up and do your fucking job.
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by NYRoyal on May 7, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Preach it brother.
I was a pitcher. I had an injury.
Did I tell my coach/organization send me home before I’ll work with your guys? I want my own guys. By the way, you have to pay for it…. But I’ll do what I want. You don’t own me!? Scott owns my soul. I do what Scott tells me.
No I didn’t! I did my work with their trainers and their coaches! And I got over it and didn’t create any problems for the rest of my team.
Get your team above your individual needs. If this is what Danny is turning into…. well, let’s just say we’ve got enough JoGui’s on the team.
The 2009 Official You Got Rocked by the Royals and Sent to the Minors List
1. Josh Rupe TEX April 17
2. David Purcey TOR May 1
3. Brian Burres TOR May 1
4. Bryan Bullington TOR May 1
by 306008 on May 7, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
understood
I will say though that this kid is doing what he and many others think is right…the Boras group is his family now…He is not making the decisions they are…I understand being mad at the “system” but Danny is just trying to do what he thinks is best for his future…..Like I said, just a few seasons ago he is a late draft pick and now he is one of the better pitching prospects in the game…I am sure this is a whirlwind for him
now…NY I think when you say there are holes in the story…who else is even going to bother bringing an issue like this to the fans (are you even at all happy that someone cares about the system and consistently promotes the minor leaguers through the off season baseball this week show or with the popular diamond in the rough segment at the end of every post game)….if you are going to tell your fan base there are holes…than please post the entire story (dialogue from the broadcast) so others can make that assumption…you are (because of your position here) misleading in making a personal post that has a lot of holes in it…opinions should be for the thread not the lead post…
"our deepest fears are not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fears is that we are powerful beyong measure."
by gashousegang on May 7, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't care if he thinks he's doing what is best for him
He gets paid to do a job. And that job entails rehabbing when, where and with whom his employer tells him to rehab. And it is his job to say, “yes, sir” and do as he’s told. When he becomes a FA, he’ll have leverage. Until then, he has nothing. He’s just a small piece of a large organization. He’s a good prospect with a lot of question marks. If he thinks the Boras corp. is his family, then he needs to think about how his family is going to get him through the minors and into the majors. His “family” cant do that. The organization that owns his rights is the only entity that can do that. So he’s going to have to apologize to his boss and do as he’s told. It’s time for Danny to grow up. Actually it was time for him to grow up two years ago when he got suspended for most of the season. Now he’s overdue.
And with regard to Schaum, I wasn’t criticizing him for having holes in the story. I tried to make that clear when I said, “he reported the following story which is disjointed and full of holes due to the fact that I don’t think anyone, including Schaum
knows even half of what is going on here.” Schaum doesn’t have the full story. That’s fine. It’s a new story and people probably aren’t giving out a lot of info. So Schaum reported what he knew and didn’t pretend to know more than he knew. Schaum did a good reporting job here.
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by NYRoyal on May 7, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you dont think he should be able to use the doctor of his choice?
it’s his body…he’s the one who has to deal with the long term consequences. Rightly or wrongly, if he feels Boras’ doctors are better than the Royals, then he should use them.
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by billybeingbilly on May 7, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not when you sign the contract with the money that says
I will use team physicians and follow their advice… otherwise it may void my contract….
The 2009 Official You Got Rocked by the Royals and Sent to the Minors List
1. Josh Rupe TEX April 17
2. David Purcey TOR May 1
3. Brian Burres TOR May 1
4. Bryan Bullington TOR May 1
by 306008 on May 7, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you don't like the deal
don’t sign it.
The 2009 Official You Got Rocked by the Royals and Sent to the Minors List
1. Josh Rupe TEX April 17
2. David Purcey TOR May 1
3. Brian Burres TOR May 1
4. Bryan Bullington TOR May 1
by 306008 on May 7, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
none of my bosses have ever been wrong about anything
ever
I want this man dead
by royalsreview on May 7, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm assuming you are your own boss? :)
The 2009 Official You Got Rocked by the Royals and Sent to the Minors List
1. Josh Rupe TEX April 17
2. David Purcey TOR May 1
3. Brian Burres TOR May 1
4. Bryan Bullington TOR May 1
by 306008 on May 7, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The industry has a standard
And that is that in professional sports, the employer pays all medical bills and the employer picks the doctors, physical therapists, instructors and coaches. That’s the deal. That’s the deal for everyone (with the possible exception of some superstars). But Danny doesn’t think the rules apply to him. Even though he’s an A-ball prospect, he thinks he should get to call the shots for his employer. See the problem there?
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by NYRoyal on May 7, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, the Patriots have a right to void Brady's contract?
He used the doctors of his choice rather than the ones that the Pats suggested. Or are you just assuming that it is in the contract?
Fire Hillman
by billybeingbilly on May 8, 2009 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A few things
First, I don’t know what his contract or the NFL’s collective bargaining agreement says. Second, I do know that either player contracts or the MLB CBA say that doctor choice is up to the teams. This has come up before and has been well documented at BP as well as many other sources. It’s the team’s choice, period. Third, as I said, I’m sure superstars get lots of concessions from their teams. While it is the team’s choice, they can give in to a player if they want. Superstars have some power and leverage. Pretty good A-ball prospects have no power and no leverage. They are supposed to do what they are told. 99% of them do.
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by NYRoyal on May 8, 2009 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course not
First, this isn’t about his doctor. It is about who he is working out with. Second, of course he can’t pick his doctor. With few exceptions, major and minor leaguers don’t get to pick their doctors. That’s part of the deal. That’s part of their contracts. The team pays and the team chooses. This isn’t like the insurance you have with your employer. Professional sports are different. But Danny thinks he’s special and rules don’t apply to him.
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by NYRoyal on May 7, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, now Boras has a slightly bigger situation to deal with....
with the whole Manny situation. So I’m guessing we won’t get an official statement from the Boras camp anytime soon (or ever).
WTF, self?
by minda33 on May 7, 2009 12:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, clients of Boras, corp. don't all get direct attention from Scott Boras
I’m sure someone else in his large firm actually handles Gutierrez. So someone is working on it, whether he says something to the media or not.
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by NYRoyal on May 7, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, yes.
Although Schaum just told me the Boras people aren’t saying anything yet. Appaently they don’t bother to officially comment on anyone that far from the Majors.
WTF, self?
by minda33 on May 7, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Danny!
Don’t go to the doctor that Manny goes too!! 50 game suspension without pay! That will cancel out the new Boras relations!
The 2009 Official You Got Rocked by the Royals and Sent to the Minors List
1. Josh Rupe TEX April 17
2. David Purcey TOR May 1
3. Brian Burres TOR May 1
4. Bryan Bullington TOR May 1
by 306008 on May 7, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Danny off to a great start with the organization
Review:
Suspended ‘07
Injured part of ’08
Injured ’09 and sent home
Maybe Moustakas needs to slam him into a locker. I’m glad he is looking after his major league career so thoroughly.
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.
by kcscoliny on May 7, 2009 12:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
maybe i'll slam him in a locker.
You with me KCS?
The 2009 Official You Got Rocked by the Royals and Sent to the Minors List
1. Josh Rupe TEX April 17
2. David Purcey TOR May 1
3. Brian Burres TOR May 1
4. Bryan Bullington TOR May 1
by 306008 on May 7, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also:
2008: Pitched Burlington to a Midwest League title.
WTF, self?
by minda33 on May 7, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is rehab
to get in a pissing match over who you are working with is wrong. He is moving his time table back and creating a riff with management. If you want to succeed in anything whether it is sports, business or anything sometimes you have to put on the good face and just go along with things. If this is his battle that he is choosing than he better be right about it being worth it otherwise he is just slowing his career down and better be prepared to continue to get it slowed down later, right or wrong.
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.
by kcscoliny on May 7, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
perhaps he thinks
the KC doctors are giving him bad advice that could jeopardize his arm long term.
I don’t know anymore than any of you. I think it’s pretty silly that he’s doing this, but maybe there’s more to it.
Don't Stop Believing!
by KC Chris on May 7, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
From the information we have so far, this has nothing to do with doctors
The story, as reported, is that the conflict is over who Gutierrez is working with while rehabbing. We’re talking about a pitching coach/instructor who helps him throw and get his arm back to full strength. Regardless, neither doctor, physical therapist, or coach is his decision. There is a power relationship. The Royals organization is the boss and he is the employee. And in professional sports, rehabbing from an injury is part of your job. The employer dictates how that is done and the employee goes along. Or, of course, he has the option of quitting the sport and selling insurance for a living. It’s his choice.
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by NYRoyal on May 7, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or he could sell paper.
Royals baseball. Where .260 would be orgasmic.
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by kabrink on May 7, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or even better...
he could start his own baseball team that started stealing players from MLB, and then Bud Selig would buy the team and he could get his old A ball job back.
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"I was doing this when BJ was in his father's nutsack." -Renzo Gracie
by Sweep_the_Leg on May 7, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Much ado about nothing.
I bet everyone’s forgotten that Carlos Beltran got into it with the organization over the same thing.
The team won that one in the end, too. (And if the reports about how Beltran was actually willing to talk contract rather than go to free agency, go directly to free agency, do not pass hometown… then didn’t hurt the relationship when contract time came up, either.)
This space for rent.
by jonfmorse on May 7, 2009 9:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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