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Who else can win that division?
The Giants? DBacks?
by sterlingice on May 7, 2009 12:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
National innocence completely vanquished
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by RoyalsRetro on May 7, 2009 12:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ok, ok
I think we’ve all made the point about the “national innocence” thing. I agree that it is over-hyped, but I’d still rather not see most PEDs in the game, and I’m glad they’re suspending people for it.
by Trey Hillman's Chin on May 7, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sure
I just grow pretty tired of it. The NFL suspends guys all the time and no one bats an eye. MLB suspends someone and its a huge deal. Maybe rightfully so, but I’m tired of it.
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by RoyalsRetro on May 7, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I beg to differ
When Shawne Merriman was suspended it was a really big deal. I really depends upon the caliber of the player. A good number of minor NFL players get suspended and it isn’t that big of a deal. But whenever it is a big time player, in either sport, people take notice. Baseball’s problem is that almost every star of the last decade . . . well, you know what I mean.
by Chyladin on May 7, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh, I don't think they made that big of a deal
When Merriman tested positive, the media blew up for about a day. The next day, it was all about how he’d be back in four days and everything would be fine. He still appeared in commercials, the defense improved when he got back. No one cared.
by BrRoyal on May 7, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boy that huge contract ol' Ned signed him to is looking better and better
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by NYRoyal on May 7, 2009 12:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
with the sweet player option....
man, Boras really got taken to the shed by Coletti….
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by billybeingbilly on May 7, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On this note...
is a PED-suspension with or without pay?
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"I was doing this when BJ was in his father's nutsack." -Renzo Gracie
by Sweep_the_Leg on May 7, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe it is without, but I'm not sure
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by NYRoyal on May 7, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
God, I would hope so
As ridiculous as some parts of the CBA are, one would think that logic alone would dictate that if you can’t play due to your own violation of a league-instituted policy, you damn sure better not be getting paid for it.
"Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it." -Hal McRae
"I was doing this when BJ was in his father's nutsack." -Renzo Gracie
by Sweep_the_Leg on May 7, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
according to thebiglead...
manny will lose 7.7 million due to the suspension
Fire Hillman
by billybeingbilly on May 7, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i believe its 1/3 of his salary this year he loses.
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by cfizzle on May 7, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which is about right
It is a third of the season he is going to miss, a touch less.
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by kcbottom9th on May 7, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Manny probably just wanted a 50 day vacation
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by RoyalsRetro on May 7, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
stupid decision.
Manny and Bonds. Now in the same category as Clemens and Palmerio and McGwire…
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by 306008 on May 7, 2009 12:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
it'll be interesting to hear what it is....
does the league actually release it, or do we have to take Boras’ word for it?
Fire Hillman
by billybeingbilly on May 7, 2009 12:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Depending on how Boras wants to use the PED Playbook
I would guess “tainted supplement.” Although given that it’s Manny, he might try to come up with something that’s really off the wall. Like Manny diagnosed himself as a diabetic after reading WebMD, so he got some insulin, and he needed help to inject it, so he went over to his “cousin’s” house, and his “cousin” was a steroid user, and in the confusion of preparing the syringe of insulin, it got mixed up with one that held his “cousin’s” next stanozolol shot.
"Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it." -Hal McRae
"I was doing this when BJ was in his father's nutsack." -Renzo Gracie
by Sweep_the_Leg on May 7, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ha ha....thatd be AWESOME
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by billybeingbilly on May 7, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He says
It was for a personal medical issue
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by RoyalsRetro on May 7, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
medical issue = "man, I'm 37 and I reallly want a new contract"-itis
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by devil_fingers on May 7, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, christ, he's only made $162,149,269 (before taxes) so far in his career
A man’s got to be able to feed his family, you know.
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by Sweep_the_Leg on May 7, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because I make more I spend more money.
Or something like that – Patrick Ewing
by Chyladin on May 7, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He prolly took HGH
just to make his hair grow faster, completely oblivious to the fact that its a PED.
Manny being Manny.
I've got crazy flipper fingers!
by labbadabba on May 7, 2009 12:16 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
But Bill Simmons told us that only the Yankees were tainted!
Manny is “too stupid” to use them!
I bet A-Rod’s fictitious cousin talked him into it.
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by devil_fingers on May 7, 2009 12:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just an elaborate ruse
For MLB to invalidate the Red Sox two World Series titles, and drive up ratings by playing the “Red Sox haven’t won a title since 1918” card.
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by RoyalsRetro on May 7, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
CHEATERS!!!!
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by RoyalsRetro on May 7, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
"See Manny, what you do is...
you inject the stuff right there in between your dreads, and they’ll never know because they can’t see the track marks through all that hair. Foolproof. Trust me."
"Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it." -Hal McRae
"I was doing this when BJ was in his father's nutsack." -Renzo Gracie
by Sweep_the_Leg on May 7, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
David Ortiz is definitely in the clear though, right?
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by devil_fingers on May 7, 2009 12:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Victor Conte's "clear"?
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by RoyalsRetro on May 7, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how dare you, sir
David Ortiz is a national treasure.
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by devil_fingers on May 7, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its becoming clear
Willie Bloomquist was the greatest clean hitter of the steroid era
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by RoyalsRetro on May 7, 2009 12:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
well, Dayton Moore did say
that he was a Craig Counsell type of player
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by devil_fingers on May 7, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to stomp all over our well-deserved schadenfreude
…but I think maybe this really was a legitimate mistake. Between the tone of Manny’s statement (“under our rules, it’s my responsibility”) and the fact that he — a Boras client, mind you, and thus someone you’d expect to pursue every possible angle — is explicitly not intending to try and appeal the suspension…
I dunno. Honestly? I suspect it’s an amphetamine hit, and his doctor prescribed him some form of ADD medication which he thought didn’t contain any speed. I could be wrong, but it just smells that way to me.
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by jonfmorse on May 7, 2009 12:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If that (ADD diagnosis and treatment) were the case, you'd think...
that Manny would have already gotten a Therpeutic Use Exemption from MLB. I don’t see why not, they’re apparently handing them out like candy.
"Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it." -Hal McRae
"I was doing this when BJ was in his father's nutsack." -Renzo Gracie
by Sweep_the_Leg on May 7, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, he went to a personal doctor outside the league
If it were such a thing, he could have been embarrassed about it and thus went to a personal doctor. If he had just gone through the team doctor, it would have been avoided.
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by mazoboom on May 7, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus
adult ADD drugs do not have an amphetamine in them.
Ridalin is used in children but not adults.
I've got crazy flipper fingers!
by labbadabba on May 7, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no amphetamine in aderrall?
Fire Hillman
by billybeingbilly on May 7, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Adderall.
Which, if you get the generic, the bottle SAYS “amphetamine salts.”
Bzzt.
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by jonfmorse on May 7, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly...am i wrong in assuming that that means amphetamines?
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by billybeingbilly on May 7, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, Adderall is speed.
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by jonfmorse on May 8, 2009 4:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but wouldn't Boras have been involved?
I thought Boras controlled pretty much every aspect of his clients’ lives. The parts that could have an effect on the professional side of things anyway. I mean, if you’re an agent (in any sport), don’t you basically sit your clients down on day one and tell them that if they see any doctors or are even thinking about ingesting any drugs or supplements, to make sure they check with you first?
"Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it." -Hal McRae
"I was doing this when BJ was in his father's nutsack." -Renzo Gracie
by Sweep_the_Leg on May 7, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good
Now if only we could get people to understand that steroids have been accessible and used by pro-athletes since at least the 1960s, we can make some progress.
- W. Bloomquist homered to deep center
- P. Earth explodes
by JobDDT on May 7, 2009 1:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Actully, works out pretty well for the Dodgers, the extra 7.7 million may allow them
to sign some pretty good players and the will still win the division.
Go Royals!
by BabyBlues on May 7, 2009 1:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
$7.7 million wont replace mannys production in the next 50 games...
although, its looking like they might not even need manny to win that division
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by billybeingbilly on May 7, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno
Manny’s still a good player (and a great hitter), but even if he’s a 4 WAR player and he gets replaced with a replacement level scrub, we’re talking about less than two wins, and closer to one win it’s going to cost them.
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by devil_fingers on May 7, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sexual enhancement drug
I read on Yahoo! that it was a sexual enhancement drug that is banned by baseball that Manny tested positive for twice- once in spring training and once recently.
Really? No, not really.
by johnny4 on May 7, 2009 2:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Apparently hCG
Human Chorionic Gonadotropin. If given in a pulsatile fashion it causes the release of luteinizing hormone which stimulates the testis to produce and release testosterone. Its normally released for other reasons when a woman becomes pregnant but can be used to stimulate testosterone release in males.
PS. No one probably cares, this was more for me, I am studying for my endocrinology test right now and I need to justify paying attention to baseball.
by ddw on May 7, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
isn' t this the same sort of thing Canseco got busted with trying to get back into the U.S. illegally?
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by devil_fingers on May 7, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The same drug
According to the San Diego Union-Tribune.
by ddw on May 7, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
also commonly used after cycles
to get the natural testosterone ramped back up.
If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.
by Warden11 on May 7, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah,
you just didn’t mention “cycles” or anything specifically. So I did, I’ll wildly speculate on this one.
If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.
by Warden11 on May 7, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is really only 3 reasons a male would ever be using this.
1) Hypogonadism: It CAN be used for this, though there are better alternatives. Also, this is a lifelong condition that requires a pump much like is used for insulin dependent diabetics.
2) Infertility: Again, it CAN be used for this, but there are better alternatives.
3) Recover from a long or intense cycle of exogenous testosterone or anabolic steroid injections that results in testicular atrophy. This jump starts endogenous testosterone production which reverses testicular atrophy and has the added benefit of resulting in a “normal” testosterone profile in only a few days to weeks (they test for lots of testosterone products, an abnormal profile indicates exogenous testosterone administration).
As a side note for the curious: hCG is undetectable in urine about 4 days after last administration.
hCG is also what is detected for home pregnancy tests. Perhaps manny is just preggers?
by ddw on May 7, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I read somewhere that his test levels were something like
4:1 before and that set off the red flags.
Think it was Yahoo! that speculated this occurred in April.
If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.
by Warden11 on May 7, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
List of Boras clients proven of using PEDs...
Manny Ramirez
Alex Rodriguez
Kevin Brown
Eric Gagne
Rick Ankiel
Ron Villone
Gary Sheffield
Scott Schoeneweis
Texeira next? Hochevar?
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by Dubya on May 7, 2009 3:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bloomquist
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by devil_fingers on May 7, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just look at Bloomquist hitting balls over outfielders heads!
The guy must be juicing, he could only hit it to the pitchers mound before.
Go Royals!
by BabyBlues on May 7, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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