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Billy Beane: Master of Payroll Efficiency

In honor of the upcoming movie Moneyball I present to you the salary and OPS for the six highest paid Oakland hitters this year:

1. Matt Holliday: $13.5 million with a 654 OPS

2. Eric Chavez: $11.5 million with a 262 OPS

3. Bobby Crosby: $5.3 million with a 664 OPS

4. Mark Ellis: $5 million with a 503 OPS

5. Jason Giambi: $4 million with a 629 OPS

6. Orlando Cabrera: $4 million with a 571 OPS

 

I know it's still somewhat early in the season but I was a little surprised to see these results.

 

 

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Well, they decided to go for it this year and spend some money

Mostly I think they made good choices. They aren’t working out so far.

The immoderate moderator

by Scott McKinney on May 7, 2009 6:57 PM EDT reply actions  

not so far

The A’s of course still stand a chance. I think the Mariners are doing it with smoke and mirrors right now. The Angels have all sorts of trouble. Texas? I have no idea.

Royals baseball. Where .260 would be orgasmic.

The General Theory of Royaltivity

by kabrink on May 7, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

in 31 PA

before Chavy’s annual trip to the DL

I'm not a sabermetrician, but I do play one at Driveline Mechanics.

by Matt Klaassen on May 7, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's like their Sweeney

the only guy of their core (harden,zito,mulder,tejeda,damon,dye,etc) that they locked up……who also is prone to annual back injuries

by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on May 7, 2009 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dye was OUR core player

We had him FIRST.

Afterthebraves

Pecota, watch over us.

by castille on May 7, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

let's be honest here

none of those guys, save maybe Tejada or Damon, looks like good investment now

Mourning Guy Carbonneau...
Royals obscure player to watch in ST: Lenny DiNardo

by playingwithfire on May 9, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Isn't this their MO?

Suck for two months, then play .700 baseball the rest of the way? Seems like I have seen this show before.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on May 8, 2009 10:04 AM EDT reply actions  

I think people caught on

“Wait… you mean two months of a close isn’t worth two of of 5 best prospects? It’s crazy, but I think you might be on to something…”

I'm not a sabermetrician, but I do play one at Driveline Mechanics.

by Matt Klaassen on May 8, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

They got away with it in their glory years

…but after 2 losing seasons in which they averaged fewer runs per game than most NL teams (19th MLB/11th AL in 2007, 26th/dead last in the AL in 2008) despite at least 1 automatic out in each of those NL lineups, maybe it’s time to re-think the importance of walks (2nd in MLB in 2007, 4th in the AL in 2008), batting average (tied for 25th in 2007, dead last in 2008), and strikeouts (18th/11th in the AL in 2007, 26th/worst strikeout team in the AL in 2008).

I absolutely agree that this team at least has the potential to bounce back and that the 2007-08 teams did not, though.

by justaguyfromkc on May 8, 2009 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

power is the missing element

Mourning Guy Carbonneau...
Royals obscure player to watch in ST: Lenny DiNardo

by playingwithfire on May 9, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sort of, but not really

The A’s were 11th in the AL in HR; however, the Twins were dead last in HR and scored more than a full run per game (good for 3rd in the AL). Check out these other rankings of theirs:

“below average” categories according to b-r
2B: 7th
CS: 12th (3rd worst)
TB: 9th
OPS: 9th
BB: 10th
SLG: 10th
ISO: 11th
HBP: 14th
GDP: 8th (7th most)
AIR: tied with OAK for last (most favorable for pitchers)
OUTS: 13th (2nd most)
LD%: 13th (OAK was 6th, right at or above league average)
HR/FB: 14th
Payroll: 12th (OAK was 13th…each was less than the Royals!)

“above average” categories
OBP: 6th (tied?)
SB: 5th
BA: 3rd
SO: 3rd fewest
IBB: 3rd (but why given so little power? because singles are more dangerous than walks?)
IP%: 3rd
BAbip: 1st
3B: 1st
SF: 1st
SH: 1st
GO/AO: 1st (OAK was 12th)

There is more than one way to score runs on the cheap, and the Twins seem to have found one. As a bonus, a low-power style wouldn’t necessarily encourage the sort of steroid/PED use and bodybuilding which tends to make players too expensive to re-sign and likely to fall apart overnight.

by justaguyfromkc on May 9, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying power is necessary to have a good offense

I’m saying it is necessary for a team like Oakland who doesn’t do much else well to have a good offense. Obviously the Twins does it differently and really, as a deep fantasy league player, I’m not a fan of how they develop their bats.

Mourning Guy Carbonneau...
Royals obscure player to watch in ST: Lenny DiNardo

by playingwithfire on May 10, 2009 2:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oakland would benefit by adding just about anything to their offense. Power is expensive, so I doubt they will find that cheaply without running into more of the same problem. Critics of Moneyball critics say that it was never specifically about the stereotypical slow power hitters with high OBPs/walk rates/strikeout rates (“unsexy” players according to a fantasy analyst I can’t recall at the moment), but about what was undervalued. Speed had been cheap already at the time the book was published, and then it only got cheaper, so I’d thought that Beane was trying to drive the market price down and pick up speedy players for even less, but as of 2008 that still was not the case. Johnny Damon is the only real exception who comes to mind…maybe Rajai Davis if he proves to be an everyday hitter or platooner, but not as many as I’d hoped to see by now.

In all fairness, the Twins haven’t developed all of their bats. Gomez and Young were from other orgs. Mauer and Morneau and Span (whose tools suddenly translated to skills in the bigs) have produced at or beyond expectations going into their rookie years. I know what you mean from a fantasy perspective, but I chalk that up to their selection of different skill sets and/or tools than most other organizations.

by justaguyfromkc on May 10, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm going to beat the dead horse one last time

What I was saying is that the A’s is build on OBP and SLG. And a lack of SLG severely handicap their ability to score. My point being that the Twin’s model of building cheap offense isn’t necessarily more efficient than the A’s right now, the A’s are just clearly underperforming, I mean you expect Holliday and Giambi to do better than they’ve been doing, even for the most pessimistic projection.

And I don’t know what I have against the Twins farm developing bats, besides Mauer(who the Allard Baird Royals can probably develop just fine) and Morneau. They really haven’t developed much of anything that resembles a good complete hitter. I will hold judgment on Span until he can consistently hit like last year

Mourning Guy Carbonneau...
Royals obscure player to watch in ST: Lenny DiNardo

by playingwithfire on May 11, 2009 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it's no mystery with the Twins, actually

They’re hitting philosophy in the minors (and there was an interview with one of their AGMs here last season) is the opposite of their (good) pitching philosophy.

To summarize my impression: While their pitchers are “encouraged” to throw strikes and avoid walks (smart), well, the hitters are told to “be aggressive.” So somehow, they don’t take the lessons from their pitching philosophy and transfer it to their hitting philosophy. So, while great hitting talent wins out as in the cases of Mauer and Morneau (the latter of which suceeds despite a crappy conception of the strike zone), their love of crappy hackers like Delmon :Hoagy Jr." Young carries the day.

I'm not a sabermetrician, but I do play one at Driveline Mechanics.

by Matt Klaassen on May 12, 2009 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

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