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Is Joakim Soria the Same Pitcher as Last Year?

In a FanShot I stated the Soria was not getting the same amount of break from pitch to pitch. I decided to compare his results so far this year to Spring Training, the WBC and last using Pitch F/X data.

 

Here are some unrelated points to the on the game on 5/07/09, I found useful/interesting in my work and maybe some else will also:

 

  1. Soria is not a very consistent pitcher in the amount of break on all of his pitches. I think this is what makes him good. Hitters don't see the same stuff from him twice.

  2. Soria never threw when Pitch F/X system was set up in spring training (4 appearances) or in the WBC (2 appearances) so I can't see if changes happened pre-season..

  3. He rarely uses the slider, curve and change-up compared to the fastball, at times never using one or more of the non-fastball pitches at all.

For the above reasons, I am pretty much only able to look at the average differences in Soria's fastball until he has thrown more non- fastball pitches this season to look at those pitches. With his fastball, there is a major change from this season to previous seasons in that it is breaking ~2 more inches more in the horizontal direction. All of the other factors measured by Pitch F/X remain constant (e.g. speed, release, etc).. Here are his averages for the past 3 seasons:

 

Season Horizontal Break
2007 -1.0
2008 -1.3
2009 -3.5

 

As you can see, his fast is just breaking more, which leads us back to yesterday were Soria just seemed frustrated on the mound. His extra 2 inches of break on his fastball was putting his fastball out of the strike zone on few occasions. Here is a graph of his actual fastball and the location of the same fastball in 2 inches less of break:

 

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Although it might just be a strike or two difference during that in inning, it sure would have help with the way his was struggling. I am going to keep an eye on his pitches and will give an update in the future, especially after he has thrown enough non-fastballs to make some kind of good conclusion considering how variable he is with those pitches.

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teh awesome

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by Matt Klaassen on May 8, 2009 3:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Take it with a grain of salt

But Kietzman says that Soria is claiming he is genuinely hurt, the team doctors cannot find anything wrong with him, and the team wants him to “toughen up” a bit. Probably just KK stirring up the pot, but if the Royals really are handling his injury that way, that would be very disappointing.

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by RoyalsRetro on May 8, 2009 4:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah really

When a player says he’s hurt, he’s hurt. Lots of physical problems are hard to diagnose. I hope to hell they don’t find a hidden labrum tear over the next few weeks.

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by Scott McKinney on May 8, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

i.e. gordon redux

the royals have had a terrible track record with player injuries — i wish they would find a new medical staff. failing that, i wish the medical staff (or whoever it is that makes the decision to keep playing players who appear to be hurt) would learn from their previous mistakes

by marbotty on May 10, 2009 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds like it might be time for a 2nd opinion

He has the option to go see an outside Doctor, I assume. Maybe go see Russell Warren or some other respected shoulder specialist.

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by Safe@First on May 8, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

If the team doctor says he's healthy ,he's healthy

sounds like there’s another cancer on the Royals hands.

Did Soria room with Hosmer and Moustakas this past offseason?

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by Matt Klaassen on May 8, 2009 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

not sure contract humor

mixes well with Soria humor.

If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.

by Warden11 on May 9, 2009 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great work, rec'd

Hopefully this is just rust, but I think it is something physical.

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by Scott McKinney on May 8, 2009 4:06 PM EDT reply actions  

I too was hoping that it was due to a little rust.

It seems like his appearances have been very out of sorts this year. I was hoping that it would all just work itself out and he would get on a more normal routine. But I am a little worried that there may be some kind of physical injury lingering out there that is yet to be discovered.

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by JSouth on May 8, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

That graph is pretty amazing

It does seem to show that Soria is throwing it expecting those two inches to not be there. Because those would be awesome strikes normally. I hope if they do keep denying that he’s hurt, that he’ll be able to adjust those two inches.

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by mazoboom on May 8, 2009 6:44 PM EDT reply actions  

great job, and thanks for putting this together.

possibly he has just lost control of his fastball? I do not hope for an injury but it would be best for the future. If they do find something and can fix him up, it would be best. Even when he struggles, I wouldn’t want to see anyone else out on the mound in the 9th (except of course Zack.)

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by cfizzle on May 8, 2009 7:25 PM EDT reply actions  

very interesting post

if i have one suggestion it would be to do the analysis you did on Soria on a couple other relievers, just to be able to say ‘look, these two relievers have consistent break on their fastballs in ’07 thru ’09, but Soria doesn’t’.

by benfunke on May 8, 2009 9:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Maybe

his fastball found another 2 inches break and once Joakim masters the control, he will be the greatest reliever of all time?

If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.

by Warden11 on May 9, 2009 1:39 AM EDT reply actions  

What is it we always hear about small sample size on this board?

Oh yeah, it doesn’t mean anything. At least wait til the next time he throws like crap to bust out the rumors.

by AxDxMx on May 9, 2009 8:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Suggestion

Could we see a seperate chart for pre and post the long layoff after which the mysterious injury came to light? Pre- April 13th and post April 13.

I don’t remember thinking anything was different at all until he didn’t pitch for 10 days.

It probably also bears mention that the guy still hasn’t blown a save or given up a home run. His last two appearances have been a little dicey, but I think it’s a bit early to start freaking out. He’s back in spring training as far as I’m concerned.

by Big Guy on May 9, 2009 11:13 AM EDT reply actions  

Hillman

Hillman is giving him way too much time between appearances. When he gets more appearances his pitches are more consistant.

by TampaRoyal on May 9, 2009 2:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Or he's getting too much time because he was hurt

we just don’t know. We can’t automatically blame his usage.

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by mazoboom on May 9, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

hes hurt now

on the DL:(

its hard for me to decide which of the three i hate most:
1. the white sox
2. the raiders
3. the wnba

by greinke23 on May 10, 2009 8:55 PM EDT reply actions  

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