Thankgod - Crisp on the DL
I can't handle his pathetic .220 batting average and prepubescent arm
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A COF spot for Teahen when Gordon returns. It’s a short term solution to a long term problem, but it will improve the team. Trade Crisp and Jacobs; it was a good idea that didn’t work.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
Crisp makes a very good defensive replacement
and 4th OF. With an outfield that still has Guillen in right and Teahen learning yet another new position, we will probably need his level of defense to plug in when necessary. He’s just a 4th OF stretched in everyday play. Plus, I can’t see us getting much for him either. Now, Jacobs definitely could be traded, especially to an NL team that is looking for a Pinch hitter with power and a notional first baseman (Giants, maybe?).
I'd As Soon
Have Maier on the roster. He’s not as good as Crisp, but he’s better than injured Crisp, and that seems to be a chronic condition.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Jun 15, 2009 8:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Jacobs to the Giants might work
We could probably only get a crappy prospect, but its better than nothing….
I agree with Phil….Moore atleast had a plan when he acquired Crisp and Jacobs. I’ll give him that – I got a little excited about them possibly having decent-good years, but they both have sucked and the plan failed
by GobbleforCyoung on Jun 15, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Jake or Coco to Atlanta for
Frenchy?
Now see I don’t know a damn thing about Francoeur (spelling?) other than what I’ve read on here and I’ve seen on a Braves blog that someone has made a “Failcouer” jersey. I gather that they like him in Atlanta like we love our TPJ. They think he’s a bust and they want to get rid of him.
My whole idea of CoCo or Jake to the Braves for him could be taken as a joke, but from what I’ve read it could be taken seriously. Now if Coco went to the Braves for Frenchy, we’d still have the possibility of Jake to the Giants. What could we get from them for him?
Big point of question, to get equal value is a waste of time; but that’s an apples-to-apples thing. We obviously don’t just want to deal our apple that can’t hit lefties or field anything for the same apple. We do need to get the same line offensively though (what is Jake’s AVG/OBP/SLG? … too lazy to look it up) No so I lied. Right now overall for the year it’s .229/.312/.432 and granted we’ve still got 100 games to play in which he may bring those numbers up. Yeah well he’s leading the team with 10 dingers but that has slowed his pace down to a sub-Balbonian 26 HR’s for the year. It’s not just imaginary that it’s hard to hit 30 HR’s in a season when you play half your games at the K.
It seems to me that we could get someone who could actually play defense and put up those offensive numbers at the same time, and have it be a win-win situation for each club. Obviously we expected more out of Jake than this. But damn, didn’t we know going in that he couldn’t field or hit LHP? Is there “Seitzer” experimentation going on that we’re noobishly unaware of? Someone posted a long dealio regarding Jake’s approach the other day, noting his uncharacteristic “patience”.
Either way, who is the “orange” out there that would fit in a good trade for our “apple” Mike the Jake-o-nator. I would love to see him be the guy I want him to be but dreams are not reality. I like the good ol’ boy driving monster truck just crushing the urine out of the ball. I like his attitude. He’s my kind of player. Basically he doesn’t do anything half-assed. He either crushes the crap out of it or powerfully swings and misses. No half-assed strikeouts, but whole-hearted “aren’t you nancy-boys glad I didn’t hit that pitch” strikeouts. But enough of that; I love the Jake but the reality is he’s a negative to the team right now. (Am I wrong?) We can’t put him in a COF position where he’d be sub-JoGui could we. That’s just totally out of the question. If we could put CoCo’s legs on JoGui we’d have something, but that kind of Frankenstein dreaming is a waste of time. I’m talking reality, and to repeat the reality is that Jake don’t fit this team. (dammit)
I was excited in the off-season that we got him and Coco. Now, as reality has set in, “what she said”… not so much.
So now, go back and re-read al lthe above and substitute Covelli Crisp for Jacobs. Except for the “Plain ol Country Boy attitude” stuff and colorful vernacular. Pure numbers, make Coco the apple, and find the orange out there in the 29 other clubs who would be a win-win trade. Is there one? Are there any? Is our best strategy to just keep them both and let them ‘develop’ under our current ‘coaching’ approach? There are still 100 games to play and after a dismal what 7 wins out of the last like 30 games we are sill only in the middle of June and only 5.5 games out.
Keep in mind that I still think taking second in the division this season would be a vast improvement over the last several years. I’m not disillusioned. But there’s one thing that we could do to make it all better.

“win the whole fuckin’ thing”
So seriously you guys, who cold we get in trade for Coco and Jake?
Yeah? From what I hear, you couldn't hit water if you fell out of a f@#%ing boat.
Not much if anything for Jacobs
a Nunez-type at most, more likely a "live arm " in the minors
it would help if Dayton Moore was GMing for someone other than the Royals
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by Matt Klaassen on Jun 15, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
and while Crisp has regressed to more like what we've expected
he’s been way, way more valuable than Jacobs — which we what we should have expected
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by Matt Klaassen on Jun 15, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Coco for Frankie
Is honestly not a terrible idea. If nothing more it saves us money. Coco is not having a good year and I can’t see him having much trade value until he starts hitting, which requires him being healthy.
Jacobs will have to hit better for us to get much for him. And I suspect if he starts hitting, DM will want to keep him because he is our only power hitter and such a “great guy in the clubhouse.”
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by RoyalsRetro on Jun 16, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
The thing is
CoCo’s offensive numbers (in terms of real value, not “batting average” or RBIs or whatever) are a bit better than what we expected…
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by Matt Klaassen on Jun 16, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
If only GM's looked at that
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by RoyalsRetro on Jun 16, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank goodness.
He hasn’t been healthy for a longtime. We should just use him as an OF and DH for him… as his defense has been great other than the throwing part.
It’s good to get him sat down and rested.
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Too bad the rule says you can only DH for a pitcher
Plus, his OBP isn’t that bad. He gets on base at about .320 last I saw. If he starts to hit, he’ll actually be above average for the Royals.
Don't need to trade Coco,
however, putting him on the DL before he entirely gave back his good start would have been nice. Have to think playing hurt for the last month really hurt his production.
Very large indictment of the Royals farm system; I assume a normal team (read, one with minor league depth) would have DLed him weeks ago, because they would have a viable OF ready to call up. With Lubanski on Omaha DL (and not on 40 man either), best OF prospect is probably Parraz, who is just now in his first full year of AA. In addition, there was ZERO minor leaguers capable of playing CF in the bigs.
Mr Glass, this is a pro sports team, not a retail store - run it like one!
so basically through Coco's time being hurt
we’ve just been being screwed by our own system since we couldn’t DL him because anything we had to replace him with would have been worse than he was playing with an injury?
Yeah? From what I hear, you couldn't hit water if you fell out of a f@#%ing boat.












