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Royals Fall in Tampa, Ability to Get Up Unclear



For awhile it looked like the Rays might give the Royals enough of a hand to win this game. Kyle Davies again struggled with his control, but thanks to seven strikeouts and some key caught stealings, the game was still tied at 2-2 in the 6th. The Yars took the lead on a Matt Joyce double, then expanded it two innings later on a Joyce homer. Game over.

  • 23-28? Yikes.
  • Miguel Olivo had a nice game: two runners thrown out on the bases, a single, and a home run. Sure there was also the obligatory Olivo K in there as well, but this was one of his better all-around games of the season. Oh, and he reached base on a strikeout for the second consecutive game. Love his plate approach!
  •  Although mysteriously all the awesome game-calling things Olivo does when Greinke pitches again were strangely absent with other dudes on the mound. I hope we can figure out why this happened.
  • Jose Guillen had a revenge homer against one of his former teams today.
  • TPJ got the start, had an epic single, and pointlessly hit with a runner on in a 4-2 game in the 7th inning.
  • Ho-Ram danced with the devil a smidge, but escaped, sorta. At least he didn't allow any of "his" baserunners to score. We'll have that ERA under 6.50 in no time.
  • Look, I don't think Hillman is an especially good manager, but most of the blame for nights like this should be on Dayton. The Royals are clinging to an idea that Juan Cruz is good at this point, and between the starter and Soria, that's really all there is.
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Didn’t realize you had hung around for the sad ending. Should I delete the fangraph?

"Do they have people that tall in Mexico?"

by NHZ on Jun 2, 2009 10:13 PM EDT reply actions  

maybe we can combine?

or jsut leave them both up

THIS TEAM DOESN"T DESERVE ANY BETTER

by Freneau on Jun 2, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wanna take the fangraph for yours and I'll delete mine?

You had more to say anyhow.

"Do they have people that tall in Mexico?"

by NHZ on Jun 2, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can do that...

but its really ot a big deal, if I had seen that you had something posted, I wouldn’t have doubel posted

by Freneau on Jun 2, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn you, Kila

"Do they have people that tall in Mexico?"

by NHZ on Jun 3, 2009 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Is Joakim ever going to pitch again?

my projections is that we’re getting swept in Tampa, and we’ll win the next Greinke start in Toronto

I forget, are we at 5 or 6 losses in a row right now?

by BHWick on Jun 2, 2009 10:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Five, I believe

They teased us with the six game winning streak. Now, the true nature of the team is showing, esp. with the injuries.

by CaseyRoyal on Jun 2, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

In other news

I"M GOING TO THE GREINKE GAME IN TO

we have field level seats. Well, not quite. They’re sort of behind one of the dugouts a few rows up.

For me, this is exciting — almost my first non nosebleed/bleacher seats at a baseball game ever, except for once at the K a couple summers back

I'm not a sabermetrician, but I do play one at Driveline Mechanics.

by Matt Klaassen on Jun 2, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Excellent

Make sure you yell out the opposing pitcher’s pitches by linear weight values to each Royal who enters the on deck circle.

Too bad it is not a Greinke-Halladay matchup.

by Gopherballs on Jun 3, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's what I was hoping for

although Brian Tallet has been weirdly good in the rotation against everyone but the Royals so far

I did get to see Halladay pitch in the last game of his Cy Young season

I’m not sure which of the 87 possible Royals MI combinations I should be hoping to see

I'm not a sabermetrician, but I do play one at Driveline Mechanics.

by Matt Klaassen on Jun 3, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I predict . . .

C Pena
1B Olivo
2B Teahen
SS Pena
3B Hernandez
LF Callaspo
CF Bloomquist
RF Guillen
DH Maier

by Gopherballs on Jun 3, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dear FBI

can you make sure Trey’s not betting against his team? He seriously can’t be so stupid as to think that repeatedly putting HoRam into tie games will help us.

by BHWick on Jun 2, 2009 10:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Hey guys I need a little help

I know the MLB puts a block on listening to the games online without paying them $x a month. After the game I’ve been trying to listen to the postgame on 610 Sport’s website, but still all I get is this crappy Fox Sports Radio bull $*. Is this normal or is it my fault? :(

by kansasjhawk044 on Jun 2, 2009 10:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Dude -

its like $14 for the radio package. Bone-up….

I've got crazy flipper fingers!

by labbadabba on Jun 3, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe we could put a little collection together

"Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it." -Hal McRae

"I was doing this when BJ was in his father's nutsack." -Renzo Gracie

by Sweep_the_Leg on Jun 3, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

don't force the envelope

I'm not a sabermetrician, but I do play one at Driveline Mechanics.

by Matt Klaassen on Jun 3, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I was thinking more like we could pass a virtual "plate"

But your warning is duly noted.

"Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it." -Hal McRae

"I was doing this when BJ was in his father's nutsack." -Renzo Gracie

by Sweep_the_Leg on Jun 3, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think something will go down soon.

I don’t know what, but I can’t imagine DM is going to let this nonsense go on much longer without making a trade or doing something semi-drastic. This offseason the story was that DM was done evaluating and ready to make some moves. Too bad the moves were mostly dumb. But I bet he does something soon. At least that will be interesting, more interesting that watching us lose 5-2 every night.

by hippdoghipp on Jun 2, 2009 11:03 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm not a sabermetrician, but I do play one at Driveline Mechanics.

by Matt Klaassen on Jun 2, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

hmmm...

It makes sense to me as a salary dump (non-tender Frenchy after the season), but Dayton doesn’t really do salary dumps. Also, Francouer is young,er than Guillen and Dayton doesn’t really do “getting younger,” either.

I'm not a sabermetrician, but I do play one at Driveline Mechanics.

by Matt Klaassen on Jun 2, 2009 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

So who gets to be the scapegoat?

My money’s on…..wow, there aren’t really that many guys who can be shipped down without clearing waivers. Aviles is already on the DL, Gordon is on the DL, Buck is on the DL, Billy’s actually hitting, Teahen’s been better than most, and the bullpen outside of Soria is all veterans.

Maybe Ponson gets cut?

by Top Ramen on Jun 3, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

DDJ is a Baird guy

to Atlanta for Diory Hernandez by July

I'm not a sabermetrician, but I do play one at Driveline Mechanics.

by Matt Klaassen on Jun 3, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

but he already DL'd Sir Sidney and called up TPJ

isn’t that enough?

"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell

by buddyball on Jun 3, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good game for Miguel

I also wanted to congratulate him on his plate blocking, then I noticed he had a WP from Colon… Man, he has to be headed for a record.

I'm not a sabermetrician, but I do play one at Driveline Mechanics.

by Matt Klaassen on Jun 2, 2009 11:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Amazing that he can throw out that many runners

when he’s so bad at hanging onto the ball behind the plate.

by Top Ramen on Jun 3, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

This line hasn't gotten enough love

“Although mysteriously all the awesome game-calling things Olivo does when Greinke pitches again were strangely absent with other dudes on the mound. I hope we can figure out why this happened.”

by sterlingice on Jun 3, 2009 12:13 AM EDT reply actions  

My .05

This team WILL lose 90 games.

The major league roster needs to be blown up. Greinke is the ONLY untouchable. Anything and anyone else else that that can be done to get rid of salary and be moved for young and high ceiling prospects HAS to be explored.

DEFENSE and ATHLETICISM and CEILING must be a priority if said moves are made.

We need to spend a BOATLOAD of cash again in this years draft, making several moves for “unsignable” players with our “extra” money (especially since we don’t have a 2nd rounder).

Aside from that, I love the boys in blue, but man am I disappointed. And Dayton, you are seriously on notice bud.

"I'll take some Coco with that please"

by RoyalJHWKR on Jun 3, 2009 12:46 AM EDT reply actions  

Too late

the Cubs already gave up on Gathright. I think he is in the O’s system now.

by Gopherballs on Jun 3, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know a lot of you thought we were being tough on Trey early in the season

and that we were being a little irrational with things. But really, we just kind of felt what was coming. Those losses and bad decisions smelled of the old Royals, and they are most definitely back. I was angry and passionate then, now I’m resigned to sucking for the rest of the year, and probably til a year or 2 after The Hos and MooseTacos get here. If they aren’t going to do something significant to contend for next year I say trade Greinke to fill up the farm system faster. This is the absolute highest his value will ever get. The only problem with that is the ballpark will be void of fans as everybody will jump ship, so probably not the best idea. Then again, buy low, sell high.

List of things to do
======
Fire Hillman
If GMDM won’t do it, fire GMDM
Trade Jacobs for a quality reliever
Call up Kila
Dump Guillen for anything including a PTBNL that turns out to be $1 if they pick up any salary
Send 2 of our 3 utility IF back to OMAHA
Trade Buck or Olivo for a quality reliever
DFA HoRam
Draft Best Player Available and throw money at the best players like you are making it rain on strippers
Trade DeJesus? Teahen? Crisp?
Do something not nothing.

by AxDxMx on Jun 3, 2009 1:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Has anyone take the time to look at our 40 man roster?

You would understand why we have so many infielders up right now. The other options are Metcalf, Lisson, Kila and 4 relief pitchers-Barrera, Lowery, Pimentel and Rosa. Pimentel had TJ if I remember right. I don’t believe I have seen Lowery in to many box scores. Rosa has been terrible and I don’t think Barrera has pitched over A ball. Kila should stay in AAA in my opinion until we are ready to keep him here full time. We have 6 people on the DL and 1 on bereavement leave. Like I have said before we don’t have the minor league depth to handle this many injuries. Our depth is getting better but it will take another year or two until we could deal with something like this and not miss a beat. Hopefully Banny will bring us back to the promised land tonight.

by gordonrules on Jun 3, 2009 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

i'm glad we're losing, pretty soon we're going to get back to the days...

where i can make a TPJ joke in a game thread and it just lingers on the page like a stale fart because nobody else wants/cares to post…. makes me feel like a man.

where tpj used to happen but no longer does due to his current dl status.

by blue bandwagon on Jun 3, 2009 2:28 AM EDT reply actions  

oh

and go team!

where return of tpj is a cause of celebration happens!

by blue bandwagon on Jun 3, 2009 2:31 AM EDT reply actions  

good to see

that people are starting to come around to the fact that this team needs to be “restructured” (I’m not going to say blown up, that kinda implies that nearly everyone needs to go).

the fact remains, however that the upper minor leagues are nearly bereft of any talent whatsoever, and the team is at it’s notional payroll limit.

so, unless we do something to change this equation, this team is not going to make any more progress imo and will be a “fringe” .500 team with no legitimate shot to make the playoffs. better, to be sure, than what we’ve gone through the past 5 years, but not really where we want to be.

I hereby resign from this post.

by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jun 3, 2009 10:01 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I just simply love

That some Royals fans haven’t learned anything over the years.

First it was, “Just wait, when Damon & Sweeney are up here, we are really gonna see something.”

Then of course came, “We’ll compete when Beltran and Affeldt get up here & start to produce, you’ll see.”

Which of course led to, “Butler & Gordon will be the backbone of our offense for a decade.”

And now there are those silly enough to carry the same philosophy forward, “We are going to suck until Moose & Hosmer are up here, then we’ll show ’em.”

BOOM! ROASTED!

by GoBabies!! on Jun 3, 2009 10:40 AM EDT reply actions  

With Moose and Hosmer,

Gordon and Butler, Greinke and Soria, and possibly more if we take some top college guys this year, not to mention Kila. That could be the 2011 team and that sounds pretty good to me. I know GMDM is doing a better job of drafting simply because he is taking the best players. A dog could do this provided he had the money and a team to manage. In the past, we’ve had no talent and a couple of possibilities that could pan out. Now we have a lot more possibilities because they are spending money. So don’t give me this, “same philosophy” crap. 1 or 2 players were never going to get it done when you pay your other draft prospects $1000 to sign.

And by the way, I’m pretty sure it was never “when Damon & Sweeney are up here”. From 1995-98, Sweeney wasn’t that great on the MLB level in 771 ABs. Then in 1999, all of the sudden he exploded and raised his OPS 179 points from the previous year.

And Beltran would have helped us to compete, the guy is going to be a HOFer. Management decided they couldn’t afford him because he was too good.

And what would you have the team do? Since we suck right now, I’d prefer to build a decent team around them and hope some others pan out. But since they obviously won’t do shit for this team, let’s just cut them right now and be done with it and we can all stop being Royals fans. Seriously, why do you even come here? Do you like the pain? This has easily been the worst franchise in MLB since 2000. Washington is the new laughingstock, but we were there just 2 short years ago.

by AxDxMx on Jun 3, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

The starting pitching is not that bad

there is just not enough offense or defense to protect what they do

Greinke is a phenom right now and has been for awhile he doesn’t move, and GMDM better not trade him, or that will be another step back towards what the Royals use to do.

Meche is usually really solid, and even in his off nights a slightly above average offense with an average bull pen would give him a win

Banny is a recent re-revelation and the same that was said about Meche could be said for Banny.

Davies isn’t that far off, he is probably a #5, but he sits at 4, how many other MLB teams are in similar situations?

These 4 starters could have 2-3 more wins (each) thus far in the season if, there was average offense and defense around them.

The whole roster needs to be scrapped? NO!! They need some big tweeks though. Guillen is a DH. period. (.) SS has been a black hole of sucksation 3 level, and not sure how to rectify that situation. Teahen at 3rd is not that bad, when/if Gordon gets back how agile will he be?

I am not sure how to change this team so that they can back their Starters enough, to get them to the closer of all closers……it just hurts to see (IMO) so many of the right pieces there, and yet so many circular pegs trying to fit into a square hole.

by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jun 3, 2009 1:07 PM EDT reply actions  

and the kid with the blocks

is still trying to force those circular pegs into the square holes (based on the percentages).

"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell

by buddyball on Jun 3, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh of course....

based on percentages eventually the wood the circular peg is made out of will wear down and it WILL fit into that square hole.

It’s just going to take longer than the next W for the royals I fear, and probably won’t happen until after October. Or in Royals vernacular the ‘Off season’.

by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jun 3, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

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