CFer replacements
by benfunke on Jun 24, 2009 6:20 PM EDT
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Looking at teams with multiple centerfielders that would be theoretical trading partners to put a replacement (short term or long term) in CF for the injured Coco Crisp. I'm simply listing teams with two "quality" options on their 25-man (with around 100 ABs); if there are significant prospect players in AAA or on the 25-man with fewer ABs that would qualify, then I am probably going to miss them. I'm sure DM would want a good fielder first, but we'll trust that he'll let an overall positive WAR speak for the players' balance between hitting and fielding.
From what I see here, another team's prospect is probably a better fit if GMDM wants someone that can help now and continue to be a contributor down the road (seeing as how DDJ moving back to CF would be absolutely, totally, and in all other ways inconceivable).
| Player, Age, WAR so far this season |
| P.S., my formatting got all out of whack, so bear with the uneven formatting and the emply data cells |
| Mike Cameron, 36, 2.2, Cameron may be too old to be traded to KC, and if Gerut is his eventual replacement, then Gerut isn't moving either |
| Jody Gerut, 31, 0.1, Gerut seems like the light-hitting fielder GMDM prefers, $1.8M salary |
| Melky Cabrera, 24, 1.0, $1.4M salary |
| Brett Gardner, 25, 1.6, $414k salary -- I don't know that the Yankees are looking to unload young talent, so they'd need something in return; I can think of several players we don't need, but are any of them players the Yankees (or anyone else) want? |
| Scott Hairston/Tony Gwynn Jr., the Padres have a lot of young OF talent in their system (such as Will Venable); I know they don't want to move Gwynn (legacy) or probably Hairston, but they do always want to get rid of salary, so maybe there are some options there (they traded Gerut not too long ago primarily to dump salary and open up ABs for the younger players). |
Aaron Rowand, 31, 1.8, $9.1M, pretty big salary to pick up for a guy who plays good but not great--sort of like adding another DeJesus who costs more
Andres Torres, 31, .8, could be a decent short term option at $400k salary (though he magically only became a +hitter when he moved to the NL
Willie Harris, 31, 0.1, his WAR is dragged down by poor fielding this season, but last season he was rated as a very good fielder, $1.5M salary
Elijah Dukes, 25, -0.2, I can't see the Nationals giving up on Dukes's potential since he makes the minimum, and it's not clear whether he can be an everyday CFer from a defensive standpoint.
Kosuke Fukudome, 32, 1.8, hitting and fielding well this season--but he makes $12.5M
Reed Johnson, 32, 0.4, has hit reasonably well but his fielding stats are below average, $3M (he has been injured with a sore back recently)
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Melky or Rowand
would be ok by me. Although they’d have to pay some of Rowand’s contract. I also wouldnt mind them trying for Rocco Baldelli. Or if they wait til the offseason Rick Ankiel would be nice to have if the cards don’t re-sign him.
by ryancrist1986 on Jun 24, 2009 6:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
None of these guys
let mitch/DDJ take it. Unless you’re contending (which we are not), why give up young talent for an overpriced veteran or Gardner/Venable, both of whom aren’t that much better than Mitch anyways?
Waiting for April.
by DC Royal on Jun 24, 2009 6:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i agree
if i had to push it though, i would look at Harris because he’s a decent player with a low salary who could contribute for at least a couple more years. i figure the Nationals wouldn’t want to much for him either. that would at least provide four ML-quality outfielders (assuming Guillen is at least average) until Gordon gets healthy (which keeps getting pushed back, by the way).
by benfunke on Jun 24, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course I should have mentioned Langerhans for the Nationals
they have a bunch of prospects in the outfield, though I don’t know if they’re ready to help a ML team just yet (i’m only looking here at guys who could start playing right away in an effort to salvage the 2009 season (and thereby justify GMDM’s spending spree)).
by benfunke on Jun 24, 2009 6:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How about Zobrist?
Rays need a closer.
Don't Stop Believing!
by KC Chris on Jun 24, 2009 6:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he's not worth Soria
bad, bad idea to buy high on Mike Aviles Ben Zobrist
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by devil_fingers on Jun 24, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well,
i wasn’t thinking straight up, or even necessarily Soria. Tejeda, when healthy, would seem to make a decent closer, but we’d have to add some.
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by KC Chris on Jun 24, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's my point, though
if you were the Rays, would you trade Zobrist for Tejeda + a Ponson (or whatever) sweetener at this point?
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by devil_fingers on Jun 24, 2009 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the Rays do like to make deals if they think it favors them
but i imagine they think Zobrist is an important part of the playoff run this year – more important than Tejeda would be
by benfunke on Jun 24, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
honeslty, i hadn't though about it too much...
maybe somethign like tejeda + duffy or some other minor league arm or two (that would would be more attractive than Ponson). And they’d get somehting for the future as well.
Really, i was just throwing it out there, i hadn’t thought about it too much. I imagine it woudl take a bunch to get him though, and he’s probably not worth it. If we did up it to Soria, I would expect more than Zobrist in return.
Don't Stop Believing!
by KC Chris on Jun 24, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, just pointing out
the time to get a guy like Zobrist is before he has his Avilanche moment, w hen he’s close to free. Maybe send them Ross Gload or something.
Now, the ROyals will trade for him, and while it’s rare for any player to collapse like Aviles did early this season… I’m guessing Ben Zobrist will never, ever come close to repeating this season again, although, yeah, I could be wrong.
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by devil_fingers on Jun 24, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so we should go after guys like
the phillies SS – Donald? What does somehting like that cost us? Are we talkign Davies plus or are we talking a deal built around Donald plus for Meche?
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by KC Chris on Jun 24, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ONly guys on that list worth considering (aside from God Langerhans)
would be either cheap and/or young. No point to anything else for the Royals
The only guys on the list who are really young are Melky and Gardner. Melky might hve DDJ upside, but his overall statistical profile defensively isn’t favorable — he’s okay this year, but overall, he looks like he’ll be fortuneate to be average in CF. Right now, he’s hitting above average, 2006 was the last time. In between, he’s basically been Mitch Maier. So I’d say his upside is league average player, overall, despite his relatively young age. That’s worth something, but when average is his upside, what are you willing to give up for him.
Brett Gardner is overrated — his wOBA is good now, but so was Willie Bloomquist’s for a while. Basically, he’s a rich man’s MITCH. Again, a 1.5 WAR player (which he might be if everything breaks right) and the minimum has value, but what would you give up for it? Cf. Tony Gwynn, Jr. except Gwynn is older. Torres is in this same category, I believe.
Cameron is a good player, but too old to be of use to the Royals. Rowand is a healthier, younger, but inferior player to Cameron. No point with his salary.
I like Harris at his salary, but he’s not young, nor am I convinced he could play center much better than MITCH.
Gerut would be nice, but he’s already in his 30s. A suitable stopgap. Hairston is like Gerut with a slightly better bat and a worse glove.
Fukudome now looks like last year may h ave been bad luck, but he’s too old and expensive. Reed Johnson is in the Harris/Hairston category of “good stopgap, if you can get him for little of value.” Torres fits in here, too.
To summarize: some of these guys are decent possibiltiies that could help the Royals, but none of them are worth giving up anything of significance for, in my opinion. Good thoughts, of course. The Royals neeed to be scrounging around for free/nearly free talent. This has not been a strong suit of Dayton Moore’s, unlike his ability to, um…
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by devil_fingers on Jun 24, 2009 7:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
apparently we have reached the golden age of the 31-year-old CFer. if some of these guys were just a few years younger, they’d be a lot more attractive. Mitch probably has another couple weeks to prove he belongs until GMDM starts to get stir-crazy and goes and brings in a “baseball” guy (right when Mitch gets an “injury”).
by benfunke on Jun 24, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the funny thing is
really, if they thought MITCH was better than this before the season, 106 PAs and 262 inning in the OF shouldn’t’ change their minds.. WAAAAY too small a sample. 250 PAs and 800 innings? Still way too small, compared to years of minor league performance.
I"m not defending MITCH as a starter, just saying that his performance this season doesn’t really add much data to what we already had. If he sucks and they keep him, or sucks and they dump him after ne more month, either one says “we don’t know how to evaluate players.”
Jody Gerut, Langerhans, maybe Hairston… those are guys worth trying to get for a talent. If you can rip the team off by sending them Mahay, so much the better.
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by devil_fingers on Jun 24, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's a good point because we are all susceptible (me included) to jumping to conclusions
based on limited evidence. the biggest thing bothering me re: Mitch is the repeated gripes about his fielding (or lack of acumen thereof) lately. i know we don’t have the numbers to really make a case for this, but it seems like that’s not the kind of thing that regresses to the mean (as in, if people are getting the feeling he doesn’t know his way around CF, that’s a telltale sign that he’s not as good of a defender as we thought). then again, maybe he still has some room to grow defensively, being a converted catcher.
by benfunke on Jun 24, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you're worried about Mitch's defense,
what are your thoughts on what he brings offensively?
If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.
by Warden11 on Jun 24, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get to watch the games
and I’m not sure my opinion would matter much… who knows? Maybe he is really terrible, or maybe he’s just on a bad streak defensively.
as for regression to the mean, that’s a generally sounds stastical assumption, but there’s such a small sample that we really have no idea of what MITCH’s true talent is, at this point, based solely on his major league numbers, he have to assume he’s average…
scouting is something else entirely, of course, and so regression really doesn’t enter into that discussion. As for fan scouting, I like to think I have faith in it, but…. we’ll see how it plays out.
Or, hopefully DMGM trades Waechter for Langerhans and we won’t have to find out.
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by devil_fingers on Jun 24, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want Dukes....
simply so ‘you dead dawg’ becomes part of the kc lexicon
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by billybeingbilly on Jun 24, 2009 9:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Alot of teams are looking at Spilborghs from Colorado now that they called up Carlos Gonzalez
he’s played a little CF in the past
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=4521&position=OF
by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on Jun 25, 2009 2:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Spilborghs or Seth Smith would be better pickups than anyone on the list above
I don’t understand really why Colorado would favor Gonzalez over those two guys, but since that’s what they’re doing, I say take one of those other guys off their hands.
by marbotty on Jun 25, 2009 4:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
*better pickups than anyone on the list above not named Dukes
by marbotty on Jun 25, 2009 4:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Assuming either one could play center field
decent hitters, but Spillboroughs is already 30. CHONE likes their hitting OK, but the defense is questions — CHONE projections them both at -19 in CF, although outfield defensive projections are tough using TotalZone.
Dukes is a good player, but outside of health concerns, he’s totally miscast as a CF.
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by devil_fingers on Jun 25, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Spilborghs bat could be an asset...
but even though he’s had 101 games in CF, he hasn’t looked real good out there. His UZR/150 is -5.0 in CF. I definitely wouldn’t mind having him on the roster (especially if the Rockies are willing to let him go cheaply). The problem is that I think he might just be a Teahen clone.
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by Sweep_the_Leg on Jun 25, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even if Dayton wants to spend most of the rest of the year seeing what they've got
in MITCH, what happens if MITCH goes down, too? Willie shifts to CF for the time being? I’m fine with him filling in there occasionally, but I don’t think he’s an answer for half a season there. Plus, you’ll throw Trey’s whole lineup management strategy into chaos as he’ll only have 4 middle infielders to work with. And only THREE if they send Tugger back down.
Dayton is either going to have to get a new body (even just to back up MITCH), or he’s going to have to bite the bullet and do what he apparently hates…play DDJ in CF. The horror!!
"Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it." -Hal McRae
"I was doing this when BJ was in his father's nutsack." -Renzo Gracie
by Sweep_the_Leg on Jun 25, 2009 10:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
most all of us would prefer DDJ in CF to most options
but please, please don’t let DM/TH play Bloomy in CF full-time. he can at least tread water at SS/2B/3B, but in CF he is a serious problem
by benfunke on Jun 25, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's worst at SS
as one would expect. Although he’s bad in CF, too.
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by devil_fingers on Jun 25, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i guess i should take into account that SS is involved in more plays than CF (i would assume, anyway)
by benfunke on Jun 25, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and generally much harder to play
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by devil_fingers on Jun 25, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Teabag
to CF when Gordo returns?
Mike Jacobs you're 2009 AL MVP
by eboston on Jun 25, 2009 10:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to see him in the outfield
but I don’t think he can play center. Certainly not as well as DDJ can.
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by devil_fingers on Jun 25, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think even Dayton would rather shift DDJ over to CF (reluctantly, and with a big, audible sigh)
than play Teahen there every game.
Then again, Teahen somehow has a UZR/150 of 71.6 (!!!) in CF for his career. Caveat: That’s only in 6 games, total. Which, I believe, is something akin to a guy having one great day at the plate.
"Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it." -Hal McRae
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by Sweep_the_Leg on Jun 25, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The question isn't whether Teahen should move into the OF when Gordon comes back
the question is which is better:
MITCH in CF, or Hoagy in RF
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by devil_fingers on Jun 25, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Either way, shouldn't it be
DDJ Left
Maier Center
Teahen Right
or
Teahen Left
DDJ Center
Maier Right
Sorry Jose, you dh against lefties and an occasional righty.
If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.
by Warden11 on Jun 25, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Teahen looked lost in LF last year
You would think LF=RF, but it really doesn’t.
by AxDxMx on Jun 25, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, he did look bad.
But not as bad as Jose looks in right. Can Mitch play left field?
If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.
by Warden11 on Jun 25, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
mitch is a shitty hitter for centerfield....why does LF sound like a good idea?
he’s a 4th outfielder at best
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by billybeingbilly on Jun 27, 2009 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely
The best overall outfield the Royals can put on the field once Gordon comes back is pretty clearly DDJ, MITCH, Teahen. The issue now, though, is what happens if MITCH goes down for any extended period? Is Dayton going to try to prepare for that contingency by acquiring an adequate MLB starting CF? If Dayton stands pat, then he will be forced to shift DDJ to CF if MITCH gets hurt, and the team will be in even MORE trouble if something happened to DDJ (who doesn’t have a great history of being available for all 162 himself).
I think, given the lack of any quality AAA or even AA candidates that can play a solid-to-good defensive CF (which Dayton clearly wants), then he knows he’s going to have to go out and get one from another team. Even if only as a backup to MITCH.
"Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it." -Hal McRae
"I was doing this when BJ was in his father's nutsack." -Renzo Gracie
by Sweep_the_Leg on Jun 25, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One other possible buy-low candidate
Felix Pie:
Yes, he’s hit horribly in the majors, but less than 400 PAs spread over 3 seasons is a really small sample. He’s only 24, and was always young for his league in the minors, and is average at worst in center — lots of tools.
He’s as good as MITCh at worst, and at his age, still has plenty of upside.
I'm not a sabermetrician, but I do play one at Driveline Mechanics.
by devil_fingers on Jun 25, 2009 11:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't really like Pie
But you’re right,he’s a low risk high reward guy. If it didn’t take much to get him, it would be worth it to see what he could do.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jun 25, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He seems exactly the type of guy Dayton would target
And he’d probably be fairly easily attainable. Unfortunately, that just means there’s probably a reason he’s easily attainable.
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by Sweep_the_Leg on Jun 25, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joey Gathright upside?
Wow, that’s pretty high.
by AxDxMx on Jun 25, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just don't get a full understanding of why DeJesus is so entrenched in LF.
Would he be leading the league in assists if he was playing in CF? Is it an “offensive comfortability” issue? What is the logic behind why he’s not been moved to CF?
I mean seriously it makes no sense to me at all.
Yeah? From what I hear, you couldn't hit water if you fell out of a f@#%ing boat.
by BillyMojo on Jun 25, 2009 11:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I mean seriously it makes no sense to me at all.
Does it surprise you though?
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by RoyalsRetro on Jun 25, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would say the reason is simply that Dayton doesn't think he can play CF
That’s at least a large part of the reason why he traded for Crisp. I think Dayton just wants somebody who is a speedy, defense-first CF’er. That’s also why we saw Joey Gathright trotted out there for so long when he clearly couldn’t hit at a MLB starter level.
"Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it." -Hal McRae
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by Sweep_the_Leg on Jun 25, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He must have been licking his lips this week
Seeing Michael Bourn. That is exactly the kind of player DM wants.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jun 25, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe that's why the Glasses were there
Trying to get Drayton McLane drunk so he’d agree to a Farnsworth for Bourn deal. Too bad the sniper got Farnsy before the paperwork could be signed.
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"I was doing this when BJ was in his father's nutsack." -Renzo Gracie
by Sweep_the_Leg on Jun 25, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Probably better off
Looking for a long-term answer this winter, when more players will be available.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jun 25, 2009 11:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Who?
A few of us looked at the entire probable free agent list in the post-game thread two games ago. It doesn’t look good. Or are you thinking more teams will be more likely to trade quality, starting CF’ers in the offseason?
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by Sweep_the_Leg on Jun 25, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trades
More teams will be dealing MLB ready CF this winter. Contenders won’t deal them this summer because they’ll need them.
I’m thinking guys like Fred Lewis, David Murphy, Chris Young, Chris Dickerson, Ryan Spilborgs, Ryan Sweeney may become available this winter just to throw out some names.
But you know it will be Juan Pierre for Jose Guillen.
What about Nyjer Morgan? A friend of mine that is a Pirates fan says he might get traded.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jun 25, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, if we're talking about Pirates
then I heard that McCutchen guy might be OK.
I think Spilborghs might be available right now. The Rockies are in a buying mode with their recent streak. And they’ve got that Gonzalez kid (in the Holliday trade) that they’re apparently committing to at the MLB level.
Pierre for Guillen would be a perfect marriage of horrible OF’er contracts. Unfortunately, I think Pierre’s actually last a couple more years than Guillen’s.
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by Sweep_the_Leg on Jun 25, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
INcredibly, Pierre is probably a better player than Guillen at this point, but after this season, he has two years and $18.5 left
Even more incredibly, that still might be a smart trade for the Royals. Not saying it for sure…
Before the season, Guillen looked like he was somewhere between 0 and 1 WAR at best. The Royals will be lucky to get 1 WAR out of him next year if he’s still around. This year, the season isn’t half over and he’s almost 1 win BELOW replacement level. And he’s actually been hitting better than we thought!
Pierre is way, way over his own head right now. This is off the top of my head — but let’s give it a whirl.
I’d say for next year, let’s generously put Guillen at -10 defense, -7.5 position, average hitting + 25 runs for AL REplacement. Give him around 85% playing time = about 0.6 WAR for $12M in 2010.
Pierre: Looking around at various defensive stats…all over the place. I’ll say about average (0 — hey, we gave Guillen -10!) in CF (+2.5). HItting wise, I guess -10… he actually seems a bit better than that, but he’s Juan freaking Pierre. So 0 + 2.5 -10 + 20 NL Replacement = 12.5 * 85% = about 1.1 WAR. Assuming a half-win decline a season, then he’ll be about 0.6 WAR in 2011. So that’s about 1.7 WAR for $18.5M.
So roughly, I’ve got Pierre as about one half-win better than Guillen next season, and then being as “good” as Guillen in 2010 in 2011…
I dunno… it’s a pretty close call.
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by devil_fingers on Jun 25, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
can you imagine how some people around here would react to Pierre's arm?
If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.
by Warden11 on Jun 25, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Dodgers won't trade Pierre
A bench guy that can run like a demon? He’s a useful playoff contender tool. He’s not untouchable, but they sure as hell won’t trade him for Guillen.
by AxDxMx on Jun 25, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they'd be dumb to with Ethier, Kemp, and Manny, anyway
I was just evaluating a “what if” scenario
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by devil_fingers on Jun 25, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a big reason why i posted this was b/c i have a hunch GMDM wants to
keep hope alive this season, and trading for an MLer is probably the only way to do that (or maybe sticking with MITCH, but opinions have been souring on him lately).
although, this hunch conflicts with my hunch that he wants to prove he was right when he traded RamRam for Crisp, which kind of means he needs to extend Crisp next season.
by benfunke on Jun 25, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cardinals have
Rasmus (who they wouldn’t trade)
Ankiel (who’s contract ends after this year)
Skip Schumaker (who is excellent against righties and is learning to hit lefties) – DDJ would probably move to CF in this scenario
Shane Robinson, Daryl Jones, and Jonathan Jay (I believe all three are at least) are all capable playing CF and are in AA or higher.
by stlfan on Jun 25, 2009 12:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I really like this Chris Dickerson guy
I don’t know if Cincy would deal him, but they do have Bruce entrenched in RF, Dusty seems to love Wily in CF and they have a decent Nix/Gomes platoon in LF. There is also talk of moving Edwin Encarnacion to the OF when he gets healthy.
Dickerson seems to have some decent OBA skills, great defense, and at least double digit home run power. I think the Reds view him as a fourth OF, but I think he could start here.
Also, free Seth Smith!
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