Matt Holliday, The Royal
by Peterman700 on Jun 8, 2009 7:56 PM EDT
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PrintMatt Holliday needs to be a Royal.
The Royals can easily swoop in a get this guy.
The perfect right handed 3 hole hitter with lots of power to all fields, speed, eye, and just overall talent.
If the Royals plan to seriously contend with Greinke and co. they need a true offensive catalyst.
The Royals have some nice players on offense, but no true threats.
Holliday could easily deliver that threat and with the possibly of playing near his home (Oklahama) a long term contract and the ability to be a winner with a young , solid team, if just really exciting.
I would say this is a no- brainer, and if Holliday ends up in Boston or New York, I may just have to cry a bit.
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Holliday
Oh yeah, he will also make everyone else in the lineup
BETTER.
Considering we score few runs.
NEED HIM
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Why are you commenting your own fanpost first?
Pecota, watch over us.
by castille on Jun 9, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I just read an article about Oakland not planning on trading him now that their young pitchers were producing
We should trade Gordon/Moustakas for Holliday and Brett Anderson/Mazzaro
Why do you even read it KCS?
you have to know by now it aint gonna make a lick of sense!
BOOM! ROASTED!
shut up man...who are you to criticize
Gordon hasn’t played all year and Moustakas is a very promising talent.
I would still take a great hitter like Holliday (with a sign and trade extension) and TWO promising young pitchers (who were also high picks in 05, 06)
We can also keep Teahen at 3b who has been a good player this year.
Greinke, Meche, Mazzaro, Anderson, Hochever
Dejesus
Coco
Butler
Teahen
Guillne
Jacobs
Callaspo
B Pena
Bloomquist
by GobbleforCyoung on Jun 9, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Man you really pissed me off...
That’s Holiday 4th, Teahen 5th and Guillen Jacobs platooning at DH
by GobbleforCyoung on Jun 9, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Yea, I bet Matt Holliday and his agent Scott Boras are really pumped
About signing a long-term extension in KC.
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HE WILL SIGN IN KC FOR 3/27 I DARE YOU TO CHALLENGE THIS
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by Matt Klaassen on Jun 9, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
there you go devils
i like the lingo!
but 3 years 51 is more like it
by GobbleforCyoung on Jun 9, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
2 years - $120M
We’ll play replacement monkeys at every other position.
by AxDxMx on Jun 9, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Holiday on his own doesn't take this team to the playoffs
and he is a rental, and BIlly Beane has a habit of of taking the Royals the to the cleaners when it comes to trades.
No point in this move.
Yes
Unless Moore could also dump Guillen’s contract, and he really went over the top to sign him long-term, then getting Holliday would do more harm than good. (I really think Holliday wants to test the FA waters.)
This team is NOT one player away.
"Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it." -Hal McRae
"I was doing this when BJ was in his father's nutsack." -Renzo Gracie
by Sweep_the_Leg on Jun 8, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
like the Leo Nunez for Milton Bradley trade?
by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on Jun 8, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Holliday
You build winning teams by adding key pieces.
Holliday would be a key addition. Maybe not bring the Royals to the playoffs, but certainly help them score runs and give the pitching staff more confidence that they will have a chance to win.
Holliday is a gamer.
You can’t base future trades with certain clubs on past history. Beane may have won some trades with the Royals, but that doesn’t mean the Royals can’t win one.
It’s time for the Royals to buy, I am seriously tired of the sell.
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but thats how you build a team
duh, we just have had bad drafts and trades, now is reflecting
Big Numbers
Holliday and Halladay?
That’d be the best ever.
The 2009 Official You Got Rocked by the Royals and Sent to the Minors List
1. Josh Rupe TEX April 17
2. David Purcey TOR May 1
3. Brian Burres TOR May 1
4. Bryan Bullington TOR May 1
I'm 99% sure he's a FA after this season
Hence, no reason in hell to trade for him unless this team rattles off 10 in a row.
Why give up something for him for 1/2 of a season in which we will be lucky to play .500 ball when we can go out & sign him next offseason and not lose any organizational depth to do so?
Oh, and by the way, why has noone mentioned the fact that he is a better version of Neifi Perez in that his career OPS is something like .150 higher @ Coors field than it is away?
BOOM! ROASTED!
even park-adjusted
Holliday’s a stud, no doubt. Excellent defender, too.
NO way the Royals should be trading for any rentrals this season, though.
Frankly, I hope that Dayton Moore doesn’t even have Billy Beane’s phone number.
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by Matt Klaassen on Jun 9, 2009 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions
you're assuming he knows how to use a telephone
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Jun 9, 2009 2:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Telegraph!
Hi Billy STOP Looking to trade for Matt Holliday STOP Offer is Moustakas Hosmer Cortes Bianchi and Duffy STOP Please reply forthwith STOP Paperwork on next wagontrain STOP
by kcbottom9th on Jun 9, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
This made me laugh for quite a bit
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by RoyalsRetro on Jun 10, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Oakland would probably get more
if they just let him go via FA in compensation than what the Royals are willing to part with. Hos isn’t tradeable until August and Moose is probably off the table. I wouldn’t trade Duffy for a 2 month rental currently. PASS on the trade unless Beane is fearful that Holliday is only gonna qualify for Type B compensation in that case it would only take midlevel talent. Generally Beane doesn’t operate like that so it would be a tough trade to close.
I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.
We should also
Trade Kyle Farnsworth for Albert Pujols
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But where would he play?
I mean, I just can’t see trading for another 1B/DH type, with the studs we currently have
Marriage is a great institution, for those that like being in institutions.
He would play 1B and hit in the 3-hole
because to get him here we’d have to include something else with Farnsworth, I’m thinking someone like Jacobs and Butler along with Farnsworth.
They’d take the three of them for Pujols wouldn’t they?
Then we could hit TPJ in the cleanup spot so the pitchers would FEAR IBBing Pujols all the time.
Yeah? From what I hear, you couldn't hit water if you fell out of a f@#%ing boat.
Pujols would walk over 400 times in that scenario
Why would you pitch to the greatest hitter of this generation when the worst hitter of this generation is right behind him. Put him on base, and watch Pena bungle his way into a DP, or bunt with the bases loaded.
Seriously though, if I was running this team, Pena would have been outright cut from this team after dropping down a bunt with runners on 2nd and 3rd and 2 outs. There’s just no excuse for that. Also, if I was running this team, he would never have had the chance to do that.
If he did
I would bench him for not being aggressive enough and clogging the bases.
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but how do his 3rd spot/6th spot splits compare with "Jake's"?
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by Matt Klaassen on Jun 9, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
he played a little LF when he first came up......
send him out there…..just think of an OF with Billy/Pujols/Jose!
by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on Jun 9, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
he played 3rd at the beginning, too
frankly, he’s so good at 1st I bet he’d be pretty close to average at 3rd anyway
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by Matt Klaassen on Jun 9, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
This will never happen because the royals are always sellers
and never buyers. Also, this team is good enough to make a ballsy trade like this. Furthermore, even if he is a FA after the year he would be more likely to go play QB in the canadian football league than he would to sign a long term deal in KC. Also the whole Boras thing that would cause a ton of problems. In conclusion, this is fun to talk and dream about but is as likely as us all sprouting wings and learning to fly.
Not always sellers
We went out and bought Meche (good buy)
Bought Guillen (bad buy)
Bought Farnsworth (bad buy)
Extended Greinke, ie bought ahead (good buy)
And isn’t Guillen gone after next year, if anyone has the info could we see who the Royals free agents are going to be after this season. No more HoGui = $12 million to play with right? Sounds like we can start shopping.
by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Jun 9, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Guillen is signed through next year
And then hopefully DM will sign him to a long extension.
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buy low!
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by Matt Klaassen on Jun 9, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Dear God help us
hopefully DMGM can put on a song and dance and convice Glass to eat some contract and get rid of that guy.
by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Jun 9, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I Think Hoagy
Has already given all of us a long extension.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Jun 9, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I Think Everyone
With any connection to the Royals could say that.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Jun 10, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
While Meche is clearly an above avg starter
I am completely living in the moment by remembering his terrible start this year and last year? I believe he is making a shade over $11 million a year. To me given his production I dont think he has been good enough to take up almost 15% of the teams payroll. You say “good buy” but I say “ok buy”. I liked the idea of signing Meche to be the anchor of the staff before the emergence of Greinke but I dont think he has lived up to the bill (is that a pun?) Maybe I am way off base but This team has way to many problems to be paying Meche that much money. 23 wins the last two seasons with terrible starts, an era roughly 3.85 is not my ideal #1 and that was the intention with his signing. Maybe Im too picky but I say “ok to avg buy”. And for the most part they re sellers IMHO. Feel free to let me know what yall think about my Meche comments.
I was leery of the contract at first
and I usually don’t hold back on Moore, but whatever else can be said about Moore or even the Meche contract at the time, he’s pretty clearly been worth it, considered in itself. Even with the dollars-to-wins ratio thrown off by the market, I’d say he’s 2/3 of the way toward “earning” his paycheck already this year after being worth about $20M more than h e was paid over the previous two seasons.
After that and Soria, the horseshoe seems to have dislodged itself from Mr. Moore’s colon, though.
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by Matt Klaassen on Jun 9, 2009 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
didn't we trade for Rondell White in that 2003 season
when we were quasi-good?
by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on Jun 9, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
And Brian Anderson
And Curt Leskanic, Graeme Lloyd and Alan Levine. We were big movers and shakers back then.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jun 10, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
they aren't considered buys
we signed them. Buying s when you trade prospects for veterans
Big Numbers
Negative
Many of you keep holding onto the theory we should keep building from within.
The Royals have proven that prospects are just that….a mystery.
Holiday gives the Royals a LEGIT STAR HITTER.
Quite possibly the best hitter we’ve had in KC since Brett.
Give it up Dayton…if that is your real name.
We need a star shining brightly in Kauffman – NOW
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Just to watch him walk
this offseason, after leading the Royals to 4th in the AL Central?
by kcbottom9th on Jun 9, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Hey, at least it would be a walk!
That’s progress for this team.
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by Matt Klaassen on Jun 9, 2009 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Makes sense to me
Fourth place flags fly forever.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jun 10, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Changing the culture
So how does a team change the culture?
Taking steps like this one.
I guess the fan base in Kansas City is so used to being sellers.
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By winning games...
which is generally done by investing as much money (or hopefully more) as any other team in the draft and international market to get as much young, cheap talent as possible, making smart veteran free agent acquisitions, and by making smart trades that increase long-term value of the franchise when its clearly not in contention.
The fan base in KC is not, in fact, used to the team being sellers because the team has rarely had ANYTHING of value to sell (notwithstanding the odd Dotel-like reliever) in recent years.
A Holliday trade would make absolutely no sense simply because of his contract situation. Most everyone would agree that he’s a great player, and I’m sure the Royals would love to have him. But giving up something of value (probably top-level prospects) for him is of no use to a team that is currently sitting in last place in its division. Why would you want to give up any of the team’s top young talent for 3-4 months of a player that can’t wait to see what the open market will bring for him? If you really did want Holliday, just negotiate a free agent deal with him in the 2009-10 offseason. It would be ridiculous for this team to try to acquire him now. Let it go.
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"I was doing this when BJ was in his father's nutsack." -Renzo Gracie
by Sweep_the_Leg on Jun 10, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
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