Royals acquire SS Yuniesky Betancourt for P Dan Cortes and P Derrick Saito
by RoyalsRetro on Jul 11, 2009 2:33 AM EDT
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The Royals got the shortstop they have coveted for so long, acquiring 27 year old shortstop Yuniesky Betancourt from the Seattle Mariners for minor league pitchers Dan Cortes and Derrick Saito. Betancourt was hitting .250/.278/.330 with 2 HR and 22 RBI in 63 games. His best offensive year was in 2007 when he hit .289/.308/.418 with 9 HR 67 RBI. He has a lifetime .302 on-base percentage.
His UZR last season was -12.7 and he has actually gotten worse this year, posting a -18. He is signed through 2011, and is owed $3 million in 2010, and $4 million in 2011. He has a $6 million club option for 2012, with a $2 million buyout.
Fangraphs has his value at $-3.6 million.
Betancourt is currently on the disabled list with a hamstring injury and is on rehab assignment in the minor leagues.
Cortes, 22, was a right-handed pitcher acquired in the Mike MacDougal trade. He was listed as the fourth best prospect in the organization by John Sickels and the third best by Baseball America. In 16 games for AA Northwest Arkansas, he was 6-6 with a 3.92 ERA, but a disappointing 57/50 K/BB ratio in 80 1/3 innings.
Saito, 21, was a left-handed pitcher taken in the 16th round of the 2008 Amateur Draft out of Cal Poly. After posting a 4.36 ERA in Idaho Falls last year, he posted a 4.15 ERA with an impressive 53/15 K/BB ratio in 52 relief innings at low A Burlington.
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Jesus wept
Seriously, this is a bad dream
I’m going to wake up. I’m going to wake up. I’m going to wake up.
by kcbottom9th on Jul 10, 2009 3:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I didn't wake up
I hate the Royals
by kcbottom9th on Jul 10, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This move is exactly what the Royals needed to do to fix the black hole at SS that they’ve had all year. They went out and acquired another black hole, and all they had to give up was some pitching prospects, and we all know that those never pan out any way. I applaud this move, and if this is a sign of things to come within this organization, we all need to buy a good pair of shades, because the future is very bright!
by drdonkeypunch on Jul 10, 2009 3:19 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
says who?
he’d still be in our top 10…and likely a very good big league reliever if not solid back of the rotation guy
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Jul 10, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course he is
What utter nonsense.
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by NYRoyal on Jul 11, 2009 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i even hate dan cortes
and think that is an insane thing to say….
i think the most likely scenario for cortes is that he ends up being a pretty good reliever with a shot to become a decent back half starter….which is so much more valuable than fucking betancourt. this is retarded….i cant believe people are defending it. i listened to the postgame shows tonite half expecting them to defend it and they were going batshit insane about how stupid it was….and then i came back here…
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Jul 11, 2009 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gobble, Reichert,
George, Bautista, Griffn, Rusch, Pittsley, Snyder
other top 10 pitching prospects that we were in love with. People were all over Gobble and George, but the Royals refused to trade them. The funny thing about top 10 prospect lists is that you have to put 10 players in them. It doesn’t mean much to KC. With the depth Moore is putting in the minors, Cortes is nothing.
by chjohn on Jul 11, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Spite
that is the only possible explanation.
by PopeSoria on Jul 10, 2009 3:20 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
The battle of Grass Creek cranks up another notch!
by Matthew on Jul 10, 2009 3:20 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
This isn't a battle it's hell!
You got slurved!
Hehehe Mark Reynolds is so awesome.
by Slurvey on Jul 10, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
First, you don't answer my emails regarding TRA
and now, you convert Dayton Moore you your side
I’m so angry I could vomit in horror
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by devil_fingers on Jul 10, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
TPJ found his Neifi
DH: Where's the party!
Danny: David Howard and Mike Sweeney! Go away! Guys, you're gonna wake up my Mom!
by David Howards Legacy on Jul 10, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No.
Dan Cortes and Derrick Saito are NOT Jermaine Dye. Second, Betancourt’s numbers aren’t ballpark-inflated, like Perez’s were.
by jbrocato on Jul 11, 2009 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I sure hope they are held down by his ballpark then
Because he’s got a 63 OPS+ this year, and he’s -18 in UZR/150, not to mention a -.8 WAR. So to paraphrase Adam Ant: You don’t hit, you don’t field, what do you do?
by AxDxMx on Jul 11, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is only a matter of time until Francoeur joins him on the team
I anxiously await the blog posts from Rany, JoePo, and Mellinger on the trade
by Top Ramen on Jul 10, 2009 3:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I am so sorry guys, I hope he turns awesome for you I really do.
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.
by EnglishMariner on Jul 10, 2009 3:25 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Our thoughts and prayers are with you in your time of need KC.
by waldo rojas on Jul 10, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I would never wish a Yuni acquisition on anyone.
Godspeed.
by Zwakamatsu on Jul 10, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You should just hope there is an even stupider gm out there.
So you get a chance to dump him on someone else, like Bavasi is he ever gets another job.
by Flamefox111 on Jul 10, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, there isn't and there won't be.
We already can’t dump Jose Guillen, we just got another massive hole of suck.
by AxDxMx on Jul 11, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its official
Press releases on the Royals web site.
by kcbottom9th on Jul 10, 2009 3:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dan Cortes.....
starting for your 2012 AL All-Stars….
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Jul 10, 2009 3:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought you didn't like Cortes much and saw him as a middle of the rotation guy at best
Now he’s going to be an All-Star? That smacks of intellectual dishonesty in the very least.
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by NYRoyal on Jul 10, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He probably thinks he'll be a star because he left the Royals
Like Ellis and. . . um. . . um. . .
by BrRoyal on Jul 10, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Howell
Jeff Zimmerman - Protecting the world from RBI's and Wins from my mom's guest house.
by Jeff Zimmerman (TucsonRoyal) on Jul 10, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Ellis's star is shining really brightly!
I’d call him a superstar really.
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by NYRoyal on Jul 10, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still don't like the trade
but assuming Cortes is going to become better just because he was traded out of the organization doesn’t make much sense. That said, if he becomes anything remotely good, I don’t think we win this trade.
"Do they have people that tall in Mexico?"
by NHZ on Jul 10, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The real problem is that Yuni now becomes "the answer" for the Royals at SS
He’s going to be the everyday SS for the forseeable future.
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by NYRoyal on Jul 10, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Poor Aviles :(
"Do they have people that tall in Mexico?"
by NHZ on Jul 10, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would be surprised if he were still a Royal by opening day 2010
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by NYRoyal on Jul 10, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It makes me sad
The guy proved he was, at the very least, a good ML reserve last year. Now it seems as if the Royals have just forgotten about him.
"Do they have people that tall in Mexico?"
by NHZ on Jul 10, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
team sources are reluctant to admit
that due to infection from his arm it had to be amputated.
by KCScuba on Jul 10, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He’s going to be the everyday SS for the forseeable future.
This is where you’re wrong. Dayton’s shown a great ability to admit mistakes and adapt.
by royalsreview on Jul 10, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, I don't think the problem is admitting mistakes, per se
It is seeing mistakes. I think when he recognizes a mistake (Tomko, HoRam), he cuts his losses. But he never thought TPJ was a mistake. He misreads TPJ’s value. He’s done the same thing with Yuni and will likely continue to do so for years.
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by NYRoyal on Jul 10, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Correct
TPJ is not a mistake. He is a defensive stopper!!!
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 10, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
An offensive one too!
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by cmkeller on Jul 10, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Since when does it take more than 1 REC to make a post green?
Did I miss something?
BOOM! ROASTED!
by GoBabies!! on Jul 10, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was Ellis traded just this past offseason?
Wow. I’m glad he’s gone. I twas hell sitting through all those 3 and 4 WAR seasons.
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by devil_fingers on Jul 10, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it was a joke...
i really cant decide what i think of this trade. I dont think that cortes will be any sort of star….but it seems as if he along with cortes were our only real hope of help coming from the minors next year. and with yuni, i just dont know…he’s better than tpj
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by billybeingbilly on Jul 10, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and i mean rosa along with cortes
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by billybeingbilly on Jul 10, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't DM actually did this
Saito probably isn’t going to contribute at the major league level but I still have high hopes for Cortes. Surely the Royals could have gotten more for a prospect like Cortes?
This one doesn’t make a lot of sense…
by jsolo on Jul 10, 2009 3:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What's really surprising
Is that they gave Saito a six figure bonus and traded him anyway. DM has been coveting Betancourt for awhile.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 10, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trading away Saito and Cortes doesn't bother me that much
lots of prospects flame out and Cortes was having issues this year.
The fact that we picked up Betancourt at all is what bothers me. When Moore arrived in KC, he banished the demons of Angel Berroa from the K. 3 years later, he traded away prospects to get them back.
by Top Ramen on Jul 10, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Cortes would have made a nice trading chip I think, but not for a guy who really has negative value.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 10, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so we have now turned macdougal into betancourt....
win or loss?
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Jul 10, 2009 3:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sorry KC fans that you are about to be subjected to watching this player.
How can Moore possibly covet this player? Bad work ethic, terrible defense, no plate discipline. Yuni shouldn’t even be in the league.
by Rudy4three on Jul 10, 2009 3:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
"Yuni shouldn’t even be in the league."
Well, we do lead the league in those kind of players
by Top Ramen on Jul 10, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
is he christian?
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by billybeingbilly on Jul 10, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's cuban
Commies aren’t allowed to be religious. :)
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by David Howards Legacy on Jul 10, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well,
if he’s got terrible defense & no plate discipline he fits right in.
by hunter s. royal on Jul 10, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was going to rec this if it was an onion-like piece.
Now I’m probably just buying a gun.
"Do they have people that tall in Mexico?"
by NHZ on Jul 10, 2009 3:37 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
i seriously thought it was a joke...
i went to the royals website and it wasnt there
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Jul 10, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rarely is a trade so soul-crushing
This ranks up there with the Jermaine Dye trade I’m afraid. Its not as impactful, but man, it really sends me the wrong message about the guy leading this team.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 10, 2009 3:37 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
To me
It just, again, what we already knew. Dayton has no comprehension of what a good position player is, or how to evaluate them. None.
by kcbottom9th on Jul 10, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would you say that?
The worst defensive team in baseball just picked up a guy with a -12 UZR in 2008, and a -18 UZR in 2009.
The worst on base percentage team in baseball just picked up a guy with a lifetime .302 OBA.
Dear lord, if Dayton Moore was Kirstie Alley’s dietician, the first thing he’d do is march her over to Pizza Hut’s buffet.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 10, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
But Moore can put together a bullpen with shaving cream, a tooth pick, a 12V battery and ...
the still beating heart of a Aouth American tapir!!!
He’s a freaken bullpen McGiver MAN!!!
soon to change name to, "The Not So Curious Case of Benjamin Bratt"
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jul 10, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
*South, why does the A button have to be so close to the S
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jul 10, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
because if it were next to the f your typing would fuck
BOOM! ROASTED!
by GoBabies!! on Jul 10, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“.279 career Batting Average? He must be good at getting on base”
by Top Ramen on Jul 10, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he is going to flip Yuni for Pujols and make you happy?
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.
by EnglishMariner on Jul 10, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You guys do NOT fucking deserve this.
Seriously. I’m on the Mariners’ side in the Grass Creek War, but this is like the US Cavalry giving a small pox blankets to the Native Americans.
My condolences.
by Decatur on Jul 10, 2009 3:39 PM EDT reply actions 7 recs
To be fair
It’s like giving the blanket after the village is already infected. Is one more crappy SS even going to matter at this point?
by Pauli on Jul 10, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Potential silver lining: Does TPJ go away?
Or do we have the most laughably bad depth chart at SS now?
by Royal Revival on Jul 10, 2009 3:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd actually rather have Pena playing for 6 figures
than this turd playing for millions….
by PopeSoria on Jul 10, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it must be
we need a 25 man move. Pena is the only logical choice. Unless Brayan gets the axe.
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by David Howards Legacy on Jul 10, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
TPJ NEVER GOES AWAY
You cannot hope to be cured, only to adapt.
- W. Bloomquist homered to deep center
- P. Earth explodes
by JobDDT on Jul 10, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Solid D up the middle in Yuni, Freel, and Callaspo. It all makes sense now.
by Royal Revival on Jul 10, 2009 3:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The only thing solid with Yuseless up the middle is what comes out of his arse.
I was at Shea for the Felix-Slam!
Personal M's record: 5-4.
by EnglishMariner on Jul 10, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are not helping the grief process
by kcbottom9th on Jul 10, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Think of it as payback for signing Gil Meche
He has actually been halfway decent for you guys. Nobody can be halfway decent and play in KC.
by Flamefox111 on Jul 10, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Meche has been much better than "halfway decent"
…that is, if you care about things like stats.
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by NYRoyal on Jul 11, 2009 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This has the feeling of another one of those "in a vacuum" trades
In a vacuum, the Royals picked up a shortstop who is about 5 times better than TPJ and TPJJ. Much in the same sense that “Jacobs >>> Gload === WINS!!!”
Once you step outside of that vacuum though….
we now owe $10M (possibly less) and are tied for 2.5 more seasons to one of the worst everyday shortstops in the league. We’re going to remove Bloomquist’s .335 OBP from shortstop and replace it with a .278 OBP.
by Top Ramen on Jul 10, 2009 3:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bloomquist is probably going to regress anyway
and he’s not a good ML SS.
Of course, neither is Betancourt. Fuck this shit.
"Do they have people that tall in Mexico?"
by NHZ on Jul 10, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it really pains me to write that I'd rather have Willie Bloomquist at SS than anyone
but that’s the clogged toilet that we’re left with
by Top Ramen on Jul 10, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yuniesky must have phenominal lateral range.
At least we didn’t trade Butler this time.
by hippdoghipp on Jul 10, 2009 3:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I would of gone on a killing spree if he had
Starting at the Truman Sports Complex, Kansas City, MO.
by kcbottom9th on Jul 10, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aha!
I’ve been searching for the “silver lining” – not giving up Butler must be it!
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by aHorseWithNoName on Jul 10, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Diggity
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Jul 10, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just heard the news.
Looks like opinions are pretty split on this one.
by Black and Gold on Jul 10, 2009 3:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Aplit between Horrific and Appaling
by kcbottom9th on Jul 10, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about that
The Mariner fans seem pretty pleased.
by Black and Gold on Jul 10, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When is the parade in honor of Dayton Moore?
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 10, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's in Seattle
Down 3rd street they just posted it!
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jul 10, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What really sucks
Is that he is just guaranteed to play every day for the next three years. They will never bench him, no matter how awful he is.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 10, 2009 4:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought he will be the bench
and TPJ is still the first-option starter.
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by cmkeller on Jul 10, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So if Daniel Cortes + Derrick Saito = Yuniesky Betancourt
Kila + low-A prospect = Horacio Ramirez?
by Top Ramen on Jul 10, 2009 4:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh great
now I have to figure out how to spell Yuniesky consistently.
As for Dan Cortes… looks like his K rate plunged this year. Granted, why the hell they kept him in AA after 2008 is beyond my comprehension. But unless his control shapes up, he’s a future reliever
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by BHWick on Jul 10, 2009 4:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It all makes sense now
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 10, 2009 4:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Also
hopefully Yuniesky will keep Brayan Pena on the team. Brayan has a good attitude, and he’s the same age and nationality as Yuniesky
Enough is Enough - Fire Trey Hillman
by BHWick on Jul 10, 2009 4:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Someone please save me from these idiots commenting on the KC Star article.
I just was told to put my duncecap back on by some guy who loves the moves Dayton Moore is making.
by AJaha25 on Jul 10, 2009 4:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jin Wong isn't getting paid for nothing!
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by devil_fingers on Jul 10, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's why you don't comment on KC Star articles.
If you were thinking, you wouldn't have thought that.
http://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?showforum=129
by Warden11 on Jul 10, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And
if this isn’t enough to get rid of TPJ, then Dayton is a moron
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by BHWick on Jul 10, 2009 4:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ugly
And stupid.
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by NYRoyal on Jul 10, 2009 4:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
UZR hates Yuni
I wonder how PMR and Dewan’s Plus/Minus see him. I’m not optimistic.
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by NYRoyal on Jul 10, 2009 4:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dewan had him at -18 last year
"Do they have people that tall in Mexico?"
by NHZ on Jul 10, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Per the infallible source...Wikipedia
Betancourt’s calling card has been his fielding. In his first few seasons, he was fast becoming one of the best fielders in the game, combining excellent range, quickness, soft hands, hand-eye coordination, and his strong, accurate throwing arm. He was named one of the top fielders in baseball in a 2006 online fan’s poll.3 In 2007, he led all of baseball with 65 “good fielding plays.” However, he suffered through spells of throwing wildness that season. Bad throws accounted for most of his 18 errors in the first half of 2007, almost as many as his 2006 total of 20. He turned things around and made only 5 errors in the second half of 2007. His defense suffered in 2008, with several fielding metrics calling him one of the worst shortstops in baseball.
Also this…
He left Cuba on a speedboat in December 2003 1 and ended up in Mexico, where he played for a while before signing with Seattle Mariners scouts Bob Engle and Patrick Guerrero on January 26, 2005.
There’s also discussion of his “unreal” ability to hit with runners in scoring position…ugh.
by RoyalsFanInBillings on Jul 10, 2009 4:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thank you Dayton!
We would have traded Yuni for some good BBQ. The battle for Grass Creek ratchets up another notch.
Perhaps this wakes Yuni up and he stops being fat and bad. He wasn’t always like this.
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-Griffey
by Big Jared on Jul 10, 2009 4:08 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Dayton's "Rebuild" of the Offense Continues
its just a quirk of sports, a quirk of baseball
by royalsreview on Jul 10, 2009 4:09 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Building offense, defense or pitching is irrelevant
DM just needs to build a team with a greater run differential. If it were all great pitching or great defense, that would be fine. As long as the run differential there, it’s all good. But it doesn’t look like Yuni is a good run differential guy. He doesn’t hit well or play particularly good defense. That’s not a good thing.
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by NYRoyal on Jul 10, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's basically a replacement level player
"Do they have people that tall in Mexico?"
by NHZ on Jul 10, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I could live with his bat if he played Gold Glove defense. I could live with his glove if he hit like Jeter. He is bad at both.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 10, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand that...
perhaps you missed the JoePo tiff…
by royalsreview on Jul 10, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by devil_fingers on Jul 10, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh, he's got a great run differential
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by devil_fingers on Jul 10, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is part of the plan
stock the Royals with Cubans.. and when Cuban communism moderates to allow their players to come here, they will wish to come to Cuba’s team.. the KC Royals!
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by BHWick on Jul 10, 2009 4:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
what's that lefties name?
throws 100?
Coffee. The NEW Performance Enhancing drug for Sport's Writers. Just ask Ken Rosenthal.
by 306008 on Jul 10, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't even know what to say...
but this sucks
by royalsreview on Jul 10, 2009 4:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
DM is about to get a Dear John letter from me
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by NYRoyal on Jul 10, 2009 4:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Please, introduce him to the concept of replacement level
I can’t believe we’re married to this guy for two more seasons.
by hippdoghipp on Jul 10, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the good news is we can probably require cortes for butler
if we want to go in that direction
by royalsreview on Jul 10, 2009 4:12 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
fart knockering stupid sucking poopy smelling
garbage eating shit-tastic knuckle headed dumb ass f-ing mentally handicapped move… i can’t believe it.
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by CollininCalifornia on Jul 10, 2009 4:13 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
the ONLY silver lining is that
hopefully the M’s are paying ALL of his salary… so we can dump him and cost nothing.
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by CollininCalifornia on Jul 10, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not head over heels in love with Cortes anymore and this trade still sucks
Yuni just isn’t very good at anything.
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by NYRoyal on Jul 10, 2009 4:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts exactly
I thought Cortes might be a decent trading chip and I think he’ll be a decent middle reliever, but to deal him for a guy who has negative trade value is pretty mind-boggling.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 10, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Silver lining: TPJ should certainly be gone
Another dark cloud looming: What does this say about Mike Aviles? He’s pretty going to be shown the door at this point, right?
by RoyalsFanInBillings on Jul 10, 2009 4:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Probably utility infielder
if he returns successfully
by Top Ramen on Jul 10, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pitching is actually the currency of baseball
And DM just flushed a good deal of currency down the crapper.
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by NYRoyal on Jul 10, 2009 4:15 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
+1
remember when +1 was popular?
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by CollininCalifornia on Jul 10, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Appears that DM thinks shitty shortstops are the currency of baseball
and he’s hoarding them
by Royal Revival on Jul 10, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
{takes note} "ah, i see"
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by CollininCalifornia on Jul 10, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorta reminds me of those commercials...
where the guy gives a big trash bag of cash to the garbage man. I don’t know what the commercial was promoting, but thats just what it reminded me of.
If all else fails, stop using all else
by ksuroyals on Jul 10, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
On the bright side...DM is making progress----he identified a position taht we truly need help at. As opposed to last winter when he identified CF, !B,DH, and shitty relievers.
by Steve Hovley on Jul 10, 2009 4:17 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
yeah... you gotta remember the hand he was dealt when he came to KC
Tony Pena Jr.? Luis Hernandez? Willie Bloomquist?
DAMN YOU ALLARD BAIRD
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by devil_fingers on Jul 10, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Cortes better be a total fuckup or else
Moore’s record of trading pitchers isn’t awful.
Cortes should have started 2009 in Omaha, but his second year in NW Arkansas has been worse than 2008
Enough is Enough - Fire Trey Hillman
by BHWick on Jul 10, 2009 4:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
WAR
Tony Pena Jr. -0.6
Yuniesky Betancourt -0.8
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 10, 2009 4:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
seriously...
this is what being a royals fan is all about
you never know how bad it can be
Berroa to TPJ to Yuni
by royalsreview on Jul 10, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think this exchange pretty much sums up the Royals SS position over the past 3 years:
Skinner: ahh, but as it turns out the lizards were a godsend since they’ve eaten all the pigeons.
Lisa: Isn’t that a little short sighted, what happens when we’re up to our ears with lizards?
Skinner: Ah, well we shall simply release wave after wave of Chinese needles snakes.
Lisa: then what about the snakes?
Skinner: We simply import gorillas who will eat all the snakes.
Lisa: Well what happens when we’re up to our ears in gorilla’s!
Skinner: Ah that’s the beauty of the thing, come winter the gorillas will freeze to death.
by Top Ramen on Jul 10, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
I love that quote
Well played sir. Well played.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 10, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One KC Star blogger is dead on
http://uponfurtherreview.kansascity.com/?q=node/1226
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by truebluetradition on Jul 10, 2009 4:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This is a head-scratcher. I don’t understand — or approve of — this trade on any level. To me, this seems like another example of the Royals dealing for a player because of what they think he can be, rather than recognizing what he actually is.
by royalsreview on Jul 10, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what makes this trade even better?
Knowing that Hillman will bat Betancourt in the #2 hole every night
by nwroyal on Jul 10, 2009 4:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And displace Bloomy????
Maybe he’ll bat Yuni third.
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by NYRoyal on Jul 10, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://ussmariner.com/2009/06/10/the-end-of-yuniesky-betancourt/
Some great quotes:
Betancourt, who has had meetings with his manager and coaches all season, insists he’s doing nothing different now than ever.
"I’ve been doing the same routine for years," Betancourt said. "I can’t control the lineup. I’m doing whatever I’ve done in the past."
That, of course, may well be the issue. Betancourt has never been a hard worker, and the past four days have not served him well.
Since being out of the lineup, his teammates say, Betancourt has not taken a single ground ball.
And Monday, when 12 position players showed up for early batting practice, Betancourt was not among them.
"I was asleep on the plane when they announced that," Betancourt said.
Clearly, he can turn it around in Kansas City, the organization that holds everyone accountable.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 10, 2009 4:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Only two things will make this franchise successful again
1. Glass fires DM
AND
2. Glass figures out that he needs to hire a GM who understands this new fangled statistical stuff.
The immoderate moderator
by NYRoyal on Jul 10, 2009 4:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i like that you've joined me on the fire dayton bandwagon....
how do you feel about trey?
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Jul 10, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My feelings about Trey have never changed from day one
He’s like just about every other MLB manager. He’s a little better on some things and a little worse on others, but he’s a standard, traditional MLB manager. He’s follows the standard baseball orthodoxy rule book for the most part. He’s not forward thinking. He’s not untraditional. He’s not modern. He’s not sabermetric. It’s hard to name a couple MLB managers who are. So I’m happy with firing him. And then, of course, he’ll be replaced by another manager who is very much the same. The only way this might change is if we have a sabermetric GM who understands that “by the book” isn’t a smart way to manage.
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by NYRoyal on Jul 10, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'd love to know what he's better at than most managers
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Jul 10, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HE IS AN ALL-STAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BOOM! ROASTED!
by GoBabies!! on Jul 10, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dayton now as new reason for fans to be mad at him instead of trying to defend Swartz
Its a PR move, doesn’t matter that it makes the team worse
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by Jeff Zimmerman (TucsonRoyal) on Jul 10, 2009 4:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Note to Trey
if you bat Betancourt 2nd against RHP, you are a moron.
Betancourt can justify a high spot against LHP, but not against RHP
I have no idea how the hell YB is a worse hitter outside of Safeco. But I hope that the hitting background can elevate YB to drawing slightly more walks than usual.
Enough is Enough - Fire Trey Hillman
by BHWick on Jul 10, 2009 4:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Fixed for you
Note to Trey, if you bat Betancourt 2nd against RHP, you are a moron.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 10, 2009 4:24 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Why?
What is it that GMDM is looking at? Seriously, is this guy on some kind of secret mission to completely ruin any chances of this team ever competing?
I have been tolerant to this point, but now I say: FIRE DAYTON MOORE!
-You play to win the game - Herm Edwards
by truebluetradition on Jul 10, 2009 4:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think it is this simple: Moore and his people think Yuni is a great defensive SS
And he’s wrong.
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by NYRoyal on Jul 10, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How can they logically think that?
-You play to win the game - Herm Edwards
by truebluetradition on Jul 10, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They highly value "lateral movement"
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 10, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crap
This move means that Bianchi’s position is now covered at the major league level for the next 2.5 years. Which means he’s a SS available for trade….I think you can see where this is going…
by Top Ramen on Jul 10, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bianchi for Frenchy!
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 10, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will cry
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by 306008 on Jul 10, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bianchi probably isn't ready until 2011 at the earliest.
I sure didn’t want another season and a half of TPJ before then. I like this trade.
by jbrocato on Jul 11, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he walked sideways to the frig?
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by devil_fingers on Jul 10, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
great scouting...
I've got crazy flipper fingers!
by labbadabba on Jul 10, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and Wikipedia...
I've got crazy flipper fingers!
by labbadabba on Jul 10, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but didn't the Braves actually compete?
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by truebluetradition on Jul 10, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never mind, I answered my own question
Logic never played a part
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by truebluetradition on Jul 10, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some scouts like Yuni's defensive tools.
Maybe even a lot of scouts.
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by NYRoyal on Jul 10, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
does some mean some besides the royals?
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Jul 10, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, many scouts like his defensive tools
He has a good defensive reputation amoung the tools-based analysts. He just hasn’t turned those defensive tools into good defensive results, especially in recent seasons. And he appears to be getting worse with age, which is common for defensive performance.
The immoderate moderator
by NYRoyal on Jul 11, 2009 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Goodbye, Daniel Cortes....we hardly knew ye
I’ll refrain from posting the photo of him naked on the toilet…
Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too. ~Greg, age 8
by loyal2theroyals on Jul 10, 2009 4:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I was going to post something to the effect of
YB > TPJ
But then Retro had to put up their WAR….thanks for that….ugh.
I was hoping to hold out on SS before we found out exactly what the timeline is on Aviles and our ability to perhaps pursue Scutaro or Wilson in the offseason. This just smacks of desperation rather than team-building.
We’re supposed to be selling off our “Major League” talent for prospects at this point right? That’s how this thing works?
I've got crazy flipper fingers!
by labbadabba on Jul 10, 2009 4:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
At least Dayton is consistent
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by Jeff Zimmerman (TucsonRoyal) on Jul 10, 2009 4:27 PM EDT reply actions 10 recs
What the hell? Helping the Mariners?
And giving them young pitching, which is freaking valuable, period, in the process? Not cool. Rage.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
by Blicks on Jul 10, 2009 4:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i wonder how much worse the royals would have been with just sticking with Luis Hernandez
by royalsreview on Jul 10, 2009 4:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you can't stick with something you never gave a chance
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by devil_fingers on Jul 10, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"That whole Tug thing just didn't work out."
Fuck This Team. Period.
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by kabrink on Jul 11, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What happy people look like
< A HREF=“http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2009/7/10/944919/yuni-traded#comments”>Lookout Landing – Yuni Traded
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 10, 2009 4:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bianchi for Francoeur?
By the end of the week, now SS is tied up for the future.
Who’d bet against it?
by kcbottom9th on Jul 10, 2009 4:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
TPJ's WAR
isn’t it higher than usual because TPJ hasn’t played a lot this year?
If Trey went full retard and played TPJ every day, it’d be much lower, right?
Enough is Enough - Fire Trey Hillman
by BHWick on Jul 10, 2009 4:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why so glum?
According to the Minister of Propaganda’s Royal’s official web-site:
He is a career .279 hitter with 123 doubles, 17 triples, 27 home runs and 202 RBI over five seasons with Seattle after making his debut in 2005. Since becoming the Mariners full-time shortstop in 2006, his 341 double plays rank second in all of baseball to Oakland’s Orlando Cabrera (357). He has been tough to strikeout throughout his career, fanning just once every 11.86 plate appearances, the sixth-best total in baseball since 2005 (min. 2,000 at bats).
by Black and Gold on Jul 10, 2009 4:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If on base percentage was so important
Why don’t they put it on the score board?
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 10, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe they should but "double plays turned" on the scoreboard.
by hippdoghipp on Jul 10, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you know they will
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Jul 10, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can only hope
that when they say “his 341 double plays rank second in all of baseball,” they are talking about his defense.
by Black and Gold on Jul 10, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Umm, well...yeah
Maybe they should put GIDP on the scoreboard too. He’s really, really good at that. Man on first? One out? Yuni up? Inning over.
Y’all have our sympathy. Really, you do.
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by Greybear on Jul 10, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love seeing RBIs quoted...
its like a vestige of a long forgotten language
if you asked me how many RBIs any royal had, i would have no idea
by royalsreview on Jul 10, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But everyone knows
Guillen had 97 last year, and 22 HR’s!
Mellinger said so.
by kcbottom9th on Jul 10, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tough to strikeout...
This was my favorite part. As a Mariners fan I can only think of a handful of times he even saw three pitches. Usually he’s grounding into double plays, should we have been unlucky enough to have a runner on first when he’s up to bat.
by Ghumbs on Jul 10, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dear Yuniesky
Run hard, or you will get booed.
The one thing that unites nerds and casual fans is a dislike of slacking.
If Betancourt goes full Berroa, then this stay in KC will suck for him
Enough is Enough - Fire Trey Hillman
by BHWick on Jul 10, 2009 4:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He can't read
Ande he doesn’t care about boos, from team mates or fans.
Thank you Dayton
by Bill Bavisi on Jul 10, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
never go full Berroa
half-assed Berroa is much better.
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by David Howards Legacy on Jul 10, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm in the airport in Tampa....
What do I think of this? I’m not sure whether or not to get on this plane…. I went to a Rays game yesterday (Halladay vs. Price) and might just stay here to watch winning baseball…. but I’m not sure….
We didn’t give anything up in Saito. He won’t be much more than a LOOGY in the bigs… and Cortes? He’ll get it figured out in the long run. Maybe Y gets it figured out here…
Here’s to hoping….
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by 306008 on Jul 10, 2009 4:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They had to ditch Cortes as soon as possible.
For god’s sakes, he pee’d in public!!!!11
by RATW on Jul 10, 2009 4:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well at least he's on the DL
Our training staff will know what to do…
I've got crazy flipper fingers!
by labbadabba on Jul 10, 2009 4:37 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm waiting for devil_finger's opinion before I pass judgment
I wonder if he’ll like this trade.
by hippdoghipp on Jul 10, 2009 4:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
At least we didn't trade for Orlando Cabrera?
Pecota, watch over us.
by castille on Jul 10, 2009 4:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
At least we get rid of Pena Jr
eventually, you know if the Royals training staff doesn’t screw up Betancourt’s rehab.
Anyway that we can hope that B. Cox’s displeasure with Yunel Escobar is so bad that we can trade Betancourt/Freel and someone else to the Braves for him?
by Brandon K on Jul 10, 2009 4:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You think so?
I don’t. Pena Jr. is the defensive replacement in the late innings. As the Royals acquired the WORST SS in baseball this year.
by AxDxMx on Jul 10, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess if it comes out that the M's are paying most of his salary...
that might influence my opinion on the trade a little
by royalsreview on Jul 10, 2009 4:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Moore's going for the top pick in the draft
We need another high-ceiling position(less) player who struggles at the plate.
by BrRoyal on Jul 10, 2009 4:48 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
He stole my material!
BOOM! ROASTED!
by GoBabies!! on Jul 10, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's all part of the plan
a full roster of bad middle infielders.
it’s coming guys.
DM is pulling a bernie madoff, but instead of our money, he’s doing it with our hopes and dreams.
by kevinf on Jul 10, 2009 4:52 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
also
Betancourt has quite a few doubles and this park is pretty good for doubles. Then again, his doubles could come from him being too slow to get triples.
So he could be a shittier Callaspo
Enough is Enough - Fire Trey Hillman
by BHWick on Jul 10, 2009 4:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What a week for DM...Need a CF? Snap up Freel off the scrap heap (also with hamstring issues.) Need a SS? Grab the guy with one of the worst defensive rankings in MLB and has low OBP ( with hamstring issues.)
by Steve Hovley on Jul 10, 2009 4:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the royals don't believe in hamstrings
by royalsreview on Jul 10, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if a player's got grit
he can fight through any hamstring trouble
by kevinf on Jul 10, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nick Swartz is the "hamstring whisperer"
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 10, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
other YB offensive info
19% linedrives (around average) with over 20% LDs in 2007 and 2008
Linedrive percentages for Royals players
Mark Teahen 19%
David DeJesus 19%
Billy Butler 18%
Mike Jacobs 17%
Alberto Callaspo 17%
John Buck 17%
*Mitch Maier 16%
Willie Bloomquist 16%
Miguel Olivo 13%
Jose Guillen 13%
YB’s GB/FB ratio is funky too
Enough is Enough - Fire Trey Hillman
by BHWick on Jul 10, 2009 5:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
as a rangers fan
i ask why? why make the mariners better?
The dance of the puppets
The rusted chains of prison moons
Are shattered by the sun.
I walk a road, horizons change
The tournaments begun.
by gossamer on Jul 10, 2009 5:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Success is only worthwhile when you earn it.
Harder competition will make success more glorious.
In the reverse, having less talent and winning would be glorious. . . except it probably means everyone else slipped in the crap you left in the field and that’s how you won the game.
New slogan: The Kansas City Royals: It’s harder for the opposition to play defense with all the crap we put on the field! And it makes the grass nice!
by BrRoyal on Jul 10, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bud has to veto this, right?
If this trade happened in the fantasy league I commish, I would have to veto it as being too ridiculously unfair.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 10, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For some reason the Royals front office didn't consult with us before making this move
Complain to them, not us.
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by NYRoyal on Jul 11, 2009 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've missed a lot of comments, so I'm sure
someone will fill me in on the positives we’ve gleaned from this trade.
by stuckinstl12 on Jul 10, 2009 5:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he doesnt piss on fences....
or at least get caught doing it
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Jul 10, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
man, that's what i was afraid of
can i make money from starting : joepoban# or pozban#?
by stuckinstl12 on Jul 10, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dayton
called Yuniesky “Yunel” in the press conference.
He didn’t…
by kcbottom9th on Jul 10, 2009 5:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
since Betancourt can't have #5
my suggestion is #18, in honor of his ridiculously long name
I didn’t know you could trade a guy while he was on the DL
Enough is Enough - Fire Trey Hillman
by BHWick on Jul 10, 2009 5:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bud can say yes
And he was on rehab. I assume they figure he is fit again really.
by kcbottom9th on Jul 10, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait. Bud is OKing DL trades
and blocking draft pick signings? Ew.
"You end up with a name like ‘Outman,’" he said last week. "What else are you going to do? You’re going to get people out, man." ~ Dallas Braden
Free Travis Buck.
by Blicks on Jul 10, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bud Selig wants the Royals to get so bad he can move them to Mexico City
LEAGUE EXPANSION INTO INTERNATIONAL MARKETS
by Soria's Unibrow on Jul 10, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wow. I heard this on 610 as a breaking event, then read all these comments.
I have absolutely no opinion on this move at all. Nothing to say, negative or positive. Should I? Does it deserve any emotion when it’s such an apparently “nothing” move?
I guess I’m lying. Appreciate this, Seattle. At least it wasn’t a straight up trade, TPJ for Yuselesski.
What are they going to do for a SS in Seattle now? Package a recently acquired attractive minor league pissing pitching prospect with another one from their own farm system along with some cash considerations and actually go out and get what WE really needed?
The positive I can see out of this is that now we’ve got a Spanish speaking crossover who can talk to our Latin guys about weaknesses in the Marineros plans so that we can step up our game in the Battle for Grass Creek.
Christ, you don't need a quadrophonic Blaupunkt! What you need is a curveball! In the show, everyone can hit heat.
by BillyMojo on Jul 10, 2009 5:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You also have Miguel Olivo for that
IF I WAS MANAGER I'D HAVE A FIST FIGHT WITH YUNI RIGHT NOW AND KNOCK HIS FUCKING MONKEY HEAD CLEAN OFF (~EM)
by seattlecougar on Jul 10, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Want to kill /strangle/maim/hurt/laugh at while pointing/ something just something
to get rid of this questionable feeling I have in the pit of my stomach…………
oh it’s gone, but I just threw up all over my desk at work, I’ll yell at the skinny chick who’s judging me
AT LEAST I DID IT WHERE PEOPLE CAN SEE AND NOT THE BATHROOM EVERY DAY AT AROUND 12:30!!!!!
SO ANGRY!!
soon to change name to, "The Not So Curious Case of Benjamin Bratt"
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jul 10, 2009 5:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the thread is starting to slow down for me....
time for a dayton moore is useless overflow thread?
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Jul 10, 2009 5:31 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
yeah pretty much
soon to change name to, "The Not So Curious Case of Benjamin Bratt"
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jul 10, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So let me get this straight
We gave up a reliever with some solid potential and a top pitching prospect, one with some issues this year,but evaluating prospects on one half year of data is a shitty way to evaluate, forrrrr Yunieski Betancourt?
Quick, name one thing he does well……………………….
I’ll be waiting here all night Dayton you fucking dumbass.
by wildthang on Jul 10, 2009 5:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
oh...saito is the reliever...my bad
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Jul 10, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I glanced at the title of this post, saw the letters "Y" and "SS," and thought we'd gotten Yunel Escobar
Then I read further. I had a mood swing so violent it knocked me out of my chair.
It was like opening your Christmas present expecting Bonestorm and getting Lee Carvallo’s Putting Challenge instead.
by Soria's Unibrow on Jul 10, 2009 5:35 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
That's a great cold closing
Welcome to Lee Carvello’s putting challenge.
I am Carvello.
Now chose a club…
You have chosen a 3 wood.
May I suggest a putter?
3 wood.
Now enter the force of your swing, I suggest feather touch.
You have entered POWER DRIVE.
Now push 7 – 8 – 7 to swing.
Ball is in… parking lot.
Would you like to play again?
You have selected ‘no’.
by sterlingice on Jul 10, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if DM keeps TPJ when YB comes off the DL
then fucking grrrrrrr
Enough is Enough - Fire Trey Hillman
by BHWick on Jul 10, 2009 5:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dude
here are some the shortstops we’ve had in the last decade
Rey Sanchez, Neifi Fucking Perez, Angel Berroa, Andres Blanco, Tony Pena Jr, Mike Aviles, Willie Bloomquist
when your two best shortstops in the last 10 years were Rey Sanchez and Willie Sporkquist…
Esky doesn’t have a high standard to meet here
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by BHWick on Jul 10, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think 2008 Aviles is definitely the best of that horrible shitpile
by Soria's Unibrow on Jul 10, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2008 Aviles and 2003 Berroa were nice
but Aviles is probably done as a full-time SS now
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by BHWick on Jul 10, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sadly you're probably right
And I forgot about Berroa’s RotY season. Maybe someday we can get a shortstop who is above average for two seasons in a row… or, and maybe I’m asking for too much here… three or more seasons in a row?!
by Soria's Unibrow on Jul 10, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
people also forget
that Rey Sanchez hit close to .300 a couple of years… right before we aquired Neifi Perez…
I've got crazy flipper fingers!
by labbadabba on Jul 11, 2009 3:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's all part of the grand strategy
To corner the market on mediocre infielders. Then, when some other team wants a mediocre infielder, we can gouge them for whatever we want! HA HA HA HA!
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by cmkeller on Jul 10, 2009 5:38 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I wish any of these guys were mediocre
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 11, 2009 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One last thought
so out of all the really bad teams in the last 5 years that have made changes, are we still the only one that keeps getting worse?
The pirates are on the right track
The orioles have an amazing collection of talent
The Rays have blown up into a contender
The Mariners have put it together
We just keep getting shot to shit. Trying the same old dumb ass shit. I’m not doing it anymore. I am just as fine watching the other 29 teams as I am this team. I’ve spent my entire goddamned teenage and young adult life watching this shit show. I just dont know how long I can deal with this pathetic excuse of a GM anymore.
by wildthang on Jul 10, 2009 5:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tomorrow Dayton will sign Kenny Powers
by Soria's Unibrow on Jul 10, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
damn it
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2a8hu82&s=5
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by billybeingbilly on Jul 10, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kenny Powers is a fat Kyle Farnsworth with a mullet
So why do I hate Farnsworth and love Powers?
by Soria's Unibrow on Jul 10, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i hate them both....
that abortion of a tv show even more than farns
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by billybeingbilly on Jul 10, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Esky
no way in hell that Trey knows how to spell or pronounce Yuniesky
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by BHWick on Jul 10, 2009 5:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lou
As Brayan Pena huddles with Betancourt to tell him that it’s alright and that there are some Cuban sandwiches waiting for him in the locker room
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by BHWick on Jul 10, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what's the Spanish phrase for
“Get a hit and you’ll get a free Cuban sandwich”
we need to motivate Esky here
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by BHWick on Jul 10, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs