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Catching up with Sam Mellinger on the Royals, the Rany Ban, and an Increasingly Controversial Season

Owen-Betancourt wedding bells? There is something of a precedent here... Kansas City Royals third base coach Dave Owen congratulates Willie Bloomquist after hitting a solo home run off Minnesota Twins' Glen Perkins in the fifth inning of a baseball game Saturday, May 2, 2009 in Minneapolis. (AP Photo/Jim Mone)

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Owen-Betancourt wedding bells? There is something of a precedent here... Kansas City Royals third base coach Dave Owen congratulates Willie Bloomquist after hitting a solo home run off Minnesota Twins' Glen Perkins in the fifth inning of a baseball game Saturday, May 2, 2009 in Minneapolis. (AP Photo/Jim Mone)

Sam Mellinger, part of the Kansas City Star's excellent baseball team since 2006, was kind enough to answer a few questions over email this weekend from St. Louis. You can also read his work online on his Ball Star blog. In his third interview (the first two can be found here and here) with Royals Review, Sam talks about the tumultuous 2009 season, the possibility of further trades, and what we should think of Dayton Moore


RR: I can't recall a trade that went over worse, seemingly with everyone, than the Betancourt deal. What's your take?

Mellinger: I'm not really sure what I can add that hasn't been said already by many others, even before I (finally) put something on my blog. It's a bad trade, even if Cortes doesn't make it, because Betancourt is a bad player. The move tells me the Royals think they have too many holes in other places, and that finding their (ahem) shortstop here lets them focus in other areas.

I actually don't think it's as bad as most, but what I mean by that is that I don't think it's the worst trade in the history of the world ever, and something that puts all of humanity in danger. But in this whole thing, here is the most depressing part: Betancourt makes the Royals better at the big league level.

One more thing: was just talking with someone about Betancourt, and the obvious joke about Angel Berroa finally coming back to KC. I know I'm the reporter and I'm supposed to know this, but can you tell me if Dave Owen has a daughter Betancourt can marry?

Star-divide

RR: Does Mike Aviles have a future with the Royals?

Mellinger: Sure he does. The question is what kind of future. The feeling I get is that this is a very "Show-Me" situation, still. Even after what he did last year, scouts have almost no respect for him. But I also don't believe the Royals are entirely sold on Alberto Callaspo, whose defense continues to wipe out much of what he's capable of offensively. I do think that the Royals -- assuming they don't add a 2B -- are willing to sort of write off Aviles' bad 2009 as a product of that injury, and put him in a gotsta-prove-it situation where he's competing with Callaspo (and maybe Bloomquist?) for the starting 2B job next year. It sure would be a cool story if he made it.

RR: The Freel acquisition was generally seen as a portent of future trades to come, but post-Betancourt, it appears that Moore is again trying to position the team for 2010. Do you think we'll see any major trades later this month?

Mellinger: I know they're trying. The feeling in the front office seems to be that the season was absolutely torpedoed by injuries. They really thought they left spring training with a team capable -- emphasize capable -- of competing in the division. They still believe that, injuries aside, which is why they won't break up the Meche-Greinke-Soria nucleus. The problem, of course (on a couple levels) is that they just don't have a lot of valuable pieces outside
the group they won't trade. Teahen could help somebody. I tend to think they should sell high on Bannister. But nobody's taking on Guillen, who has a limited no-trade clause in his contract but a full no-trade clause in his performance, and DeJesus' down year has deflated his value.

This is also a good place to mention I'm not sharing the optimism. I've written about this on the blog, but if you look at the contracts, there isn't a lot of money coming off, and what does come off will likely be canceled out by arbitration guys getting raises. That means not much payroll flexibility for a team that needs it to get better. The two options then seem to be trades, or David Glass approving an even higher payroll one year after approving a 20 percent payroll hike produced one of the most disappointing seasons ever. You're a smart guy, so I won't tell you which is more likely.

RR: You're able to interact with readers on your blog and you've taken issue with some of the persistent complaints that get voiced on blogs and message boards. Do you sense that fans (and maybe media) are growing less patient with the Royals and less willing to give them a pass? Or is it just that people have more avenues to complain?

Mellinger: Absolutely fans are growing less patient, and absolutely fans have more avenues to complain (or praise). I also think it's important to remember that while there very likely has never been a better time to be a baseball fan, with all the information and analysis and everything else out there, it's probably dangerous to read message boards and blog comments and assume it's a perfect representation of how the entire fan base thinks.

The complaints we all read on those boards and blogs are mostly very justified. The Royals bumped their win total each year under Dayton, so I do believe that earns something of a benefit of the doubt. Barring lots of forfeits by opposing teams, that streak will almost certainly end this season. That's the most important thing, and not just because of the payroll hike or new stadium. The honeymoon between Dayton and Royals fans is very clearly over, another thing I've written about on the blog.

This might be a good place to mention that I absolutely love the interaction with fans who are nice enough to read what we do. E-mail, Twitter, the comments section on my blog, message boards in other places, I think it's essential for what I try to do. And that's good because I really enjoy it. I've found the vast majority of readers to be smart, friendly, and willing to respectfully disagree.

There's also a selfish element to all this, because I think the interactions and reading blogs and message boards and everything else makes me better and what I'm trying to do.

RR: You were somewhat critical of both parties regarding the Rany Ban. Since the Royals have come in for loads of criticism already, can you talk a little about the mistakes that you believe Rany made in his post on the Royals medical staff?

Mellinger: Again, I'm not sure what I can add that I didn't put in that blog post. I probably spent more time on that post than just about any other, trying to make sure my thoughts came across clear. I think and hope each side feels I was at least fair and accurate. I talked to Rany and Swanson both, before and since, and I think whatever regrets each guy has do not change their bigger stance on the matter.

Since you're asking about Rany and not the Royals...I think Rany had an intriguing larger point that was clouded a bit by some holes in his arguments, which were made greater by focusing on the trainer (who really is low on the totem pole of decision making) and not at least making a phone call. Then after the Royals overreacted, I think Rany misrepresented what was happening with some of his wording. I think some would be surprised how often reporters and sources have big arguments on this level or higher, but they are usually handled privately.

The Royals never "banned" Rany, and were not capable or interested in canceling his get-together. I haven't talked to Rany or Swanson since all this stuff was hot, but at that time, I still felt there was a chance someone from the Royals could come down and meet Rany's group.

But, like I said, the bulk of the blame goes to the Royals.

RR: When you talk to people around baseball, is there still the old consensus that Dayton Moore can and will rebuild the Royals?

Mellinger: Yes on "can," mostly yes on "will." Some offseason moves are very clearly backfiring, and there's not a whole to add about how miserable this season is turning out. It may very well cost Trey Hillman his job.

The Titanic continues to play three hours a night on Fox Sports KC, sometimes even in HD, so it's hard to keep in mind that the most important stuff is not what's happening at the K, and not even what's going on in Omaha or Springdale, but Wilmington and Burlington. The focus of Dayton and his peeps has always been player development, and the two drafts they've been in charge of were all mostly praised.

In the short-term, things look pretty bleak around the Royals. But in the long-term, Mike Jacobs is irrelevant if Eric Hosmer turns out. Yuniesky Betancourt is irrelevant if Jeff Bianchi turns out. Mitch Maier is irrelevant if Derrick Robinson turns out. Miguel Olivo is irrelevant if one of the catchers turns out and, to be fair, Gil Meche is irrelevant if Danny Duffy/Aaron Crow/Mike Montgomery/etc DON'T turn out.

But at the very least, the disaster we're seeing at the big league level is taking the shine off the Dayton regime. They should be better than this, even with injuries, and if Trey does end up losing his job (or next season begins with everyone thinking Trey SHOULD have lost his job) it's a major hit on Dayton.

RR: Lastly, I think many people would regard you as a generally positive voice. The 2010 Royals don't figure to be too much different than this year's team, especially after the Betancourt trade. Does 2010 matter for you in terms of evaluating the current administration? Or, is this still a much longer term rebuild?

Mellinger: Yeah, and I think 2009 matters, too. I guess I should've read this question before typing my answer to that last question. My bad.

Look, the Royals are at least still telling themselves they had a division contender when they left spring training (when my prediction of 78-79 wins seemed lower than 90% of fan predictions). Lots of factors have ruined that. If Dayton and his people want to take another shot at it in 2010 with mostly the same team, I'll be interested to see what happens. And if 2010 turns out even close to as bad as 2009 is going right now, then we're all going to feel not just like we're watching Groundhog Day, but keep popping in the DVD every night after dinner.

I've been mostly positive about the bigger direction of the franchise in the last three years, because it's been getting mostly better. Next year will be Dayton's fourth full season, and he's got a big boy job, so, yeah, that's past being able to evaluate a lot of things. Full, final evaluation? Probably not.

We all like to think about Tampa going worst-to-first in a single bound, and I'm guilty of that, too, but it ignores the 10 years of losing that came before. Colorado made the jump to the World Series a few years back, but that came after six years of losing. Both those turnarounds were built on player development (the Rockies had, I believe 17 homegrown players on their WS roster) and player development almost always takes time, no matter what Albert Pujols and Evan Longoria and Ryan Braun would lead us to believe.

I'm not saying we should all wait until Dayton's been around 10 years or even six. I'm just saying that the important stuff is how his drafted and developed prospects progress, and that part of it needs time. What doesn't need as much time is to judge how the current administration put together a big league roster.

Thanks again to Sam for his time.

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interesting quote on Rany/Swartz
were made greater by focusing on the trainer (who really is low on the totem pole of decision making)

shouldn’t the trainer be making these calls? if not him, then who, DM? ownership?

I wanna know what love is, I want you to show me

by LeoBloom on Jul 12, 2009 11:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Team doctor Dr. Steve Joyce?

He probably has more input with DM making the final call.

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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 13, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

its interesting that Rany said that

if you just changed Nick Swartz to “Royals Medical Staff” his post would still work

by royalsreview on Jul 13, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

although then all the "Dr. Nick" jokes would go by the wayside

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by devil_fingers on Jul 13, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hello Everybody!!!!!!!!

Hello Dr. Nick!!!!!!!! (in GMDMs voice)

soon to change name to, "The Not So Curious Case of Benjamin Bratt"

by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jul 14, 2009 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice, interview WIll, and Thanks Mr. Mellinger for coming by

But you know why the Rays turned around after 10 years of losing?

They fired their horrible GM former ex-Braves Director of Player Development Chuck Lamar and hired a new administartion. IIt took them about 3 years after that.

So that’s when we can start counting.

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by devil_fingers on Jul 12, 2009 11:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

given some of the things SM said, and some of the things we've already observed

it really does look like the royals thought they might have had a TB vibe this year/last year
young core+ veteran stopgaps

only TB brought in much much much much better vets

Guillen <Cliff FLoyd
Bloomy < Bartlett
Callaspo< Iwamura
Jacobs< Pena

by royalsreview on Jul 13, 2009 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

actually, Guillen may be better than Floyd...

nah, ok

but Floyd was irrelevant last year

by royalsreview on Jul 13, 2009 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hinske > Guillen yeah.. This year too.

to be fair, the rays only got those guys cheap because of their long tradition of winning. I heard willie b. Offered to play in tb for free

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by devil_fingers on Jul 13, 2009 12:58 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

it really looks similar to what Dr Z is doing in Seattle now

a on of good small moves that add up to… winning!

by royalsreview on Jul 13, 2009 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the only difference i see...

is the lack of major difference makes close to the majors

Fire Everyone

by billybeingbilly on Jul 13, 2009 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jacobs isn't as bad as he looks

 or, he is that bad, but not for the reasons we all expected. Lost in all of the animosity directed toward Mike is that he’s actually made significant strides in walk rate this year — and according to his UZR, he’s… above average? I smell a fanpost coming.

by marbotty on Jul 13, 2009 4:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes, I eagerly look forward to the explanation of why 104 innings this season at 1B is a significant sample size

also: why 20 PAs tells us something important about a player at the plate

seriously, though — Jacobs is a better hitter than this. He might even be an above-replacement level DH. ZiPS RoS has him at .339 wOBA for the rest of the season, which seems high to me.

Like all hitters, especially ones like himself who don’t know the strike zone, he’ll go “hot” and “cold.” He’ll go hot again, and has a shot at getting back to replacement level.

Moving to the AL probably also effected him a fair bit.

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by devil_fingers on Jul 13, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

five good reasons. I like this one the best.
Moving to the AL probably also effected him a fair bit.

Especially after getting my further education on the AL’s superiority.

No sarcasm intended. Good points all.

Christ, you don't need a quadrophonic Blaupunkt! What you need is a curveball! In the show, everyone can hit heat.

by BillyMojo on Jul 13, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes.

The complete front office/ownership revamp occurred prior to the 2006 season.

The World Series team included the following players which did not come directly from player development: Pena, Navarro, Iwamura, Bartlett, Zobrist, Aybar, Gross, Floyd, Hinske, Garza, Kazmir, Jackson, Wheeler, Balfour, Bradford, Miller and Howell.

All but Kazmir were acquired after the changeover and only one impact player on the 2008 team (Upton) was a LaMar-era first round draft pick.

You have to be at least somewhat competent, and preferably savvy, in signings / acquisitions.

Unlike the Rays, hopefully it won’t take the Royals ten years to figure out they are still not headed in the right direction.

by RATW on Jul 13, 2009 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They weren't afraid of trading their prospects

TB had no problem trading Delmon Young or Elijah Dukes.

Young netted them Garza and Bartlett….We could have traded either Butler or Gordon for those two at the time

Meche Greinke Garza Hochevar Bannister would be a sick rotation

by GobbleforCyoung on Jul 13, 2009 8:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hells Yeah

One of my daughters would say.

Greinke Hochevar _______ Meche Bannister

is a fairly sick rotation anyway.

But with a fairly less-than-sick defense and a no-run-support offense we’re screwed. Put that rotation in Minnesota and watch out.

Christ, you don't need a quadrophonic Blaupunkt! What you need is a curveball! In the show, everyone can hit heat.

by BillyMojo on Jul 13, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good Interview

Mellinger is not afraid to call the team out when he feels necessary. But still manages to remain positive with most of his content.

by Balboni on Jul 12, 2009 11:47 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Great interview

Those were good questions and Mellinger gave honest answers. Refreshing.

Does he really think that Trey might get fired? Dayton seems to value consistency and loyalty. And considering all the effort and globetrotting DM did to get Trey—I would think he will get a very long rope. Maybe Glass will insist that someone pays. Sadly, I have no confidence that the next guy DM hires will be any better than Trey.

by nwroyal on Jul 13, 2009 12:36 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

no way Trey gets fired this year

thats what I’m starting to think

by royalsreview on Jul 13, 2009 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree

Dayton thinks we suck because of injury. He’s going to give Trey a pass on the year.

I do think if we’re in this position next year, Trey is gone though. Someone needs to be scapegoated.

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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 13, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just came across this quote

Optimism - It is a human inclination to hope things will work out, despite evidence or doubt to the contrary. A successful [leader] must resist this temptation. This is particularly hard if one has invested much time and energy on a project and thus has come to feel possessive about it. Although it is not easy to admit what a person once thought correct now appears to be wrong, one must discipline himself to the facts objectively and make the necessary changes-regardless of the consequences to himself. The man in charge must personally set the example in this respect. He must be able, in effect, to kill his own child if necessary and must require his subordinates to do likewise.
                                            - H. G. Rickover

"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell

by buddyball on Jul 13, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know what just happened there

please ignore the strikeouts…

"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell

by buddyball on Jul 13, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Probably depends on how much heat Dayton gets for this season from Glass

(plus, to a lesser extent, the fans). Trey hasn’t been good at his job, but due to the poor players given him, didn’t have much of a shot anyway.

He may end up being a martyr for Dayton’s roster.

Unless I'm wrong...

by Top Ramen on Jul 13, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

there was a comment on a post awhile back

that hinted at numerous (unfounded and gossipy?) quotes by Hillman off the record to friends at home that he just doesn’t have much to work with.

Kind of obvious isn’t it.

Christ, you don't need a quadrophonic Blaupunkt! What you need is a curveball! In the show, everyone can hit heat.

by BillyMojo on Jul 13, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I kind of feel for him really

Yes, he has made bone headed moves. But he really is working with absolute crap. Same with Acta, he got fired because his GM couldn’t give him any talent.

by kcbottom9th on Jul 13, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Manny Acta would likely be a better

GM than Dayton Moore

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by devil_fingers on Jul 13, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

overstatement above

he’s certainly more familair with the last 30 years of baseball analysis

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by devil_fingers on Jul 13, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice job, guys :)

Good interview and good answers, so a good job by both sides here. It was cool of Sam to be as upfront as he could be- you know how it is if you’re “real media” and the games this franchise has played with access both in the past and recently.

This line was gold:
“I know I’m the reporter and I’m supposed to know this, but can you tell me if Dave Owen has a daughter Betancourt can marry?”

by sterlingice on Jul 13, 2009 1:25 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

if Dayton can't demote TPJ without giving away two prospects to find a new guy

what the hell makes you think he’s going to can Trey?

DM has to be praying every night that he gets something out of the 06/07/08 drafts. Because he has sucked on acquisition on most other fronts

Enough is Enough - Fire Trey Hillman

by BHWick on Jul 13, 2009 1:26 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice line about Guillen

“a limited no-trade clause in his contract but a full no-trade clause in his performance,”

Kansas City Royals: your 2006 and 2007 NL Central champions!

by mazoboom on Jul 13, 2009 1:52 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

So I'm not the only one who lied that line. : )

Christ, you don't need a quadrophonic Blaupunkt! What you need is a curveball! In the show, everyone can hit heat.

by BillyMojo on Jul 13, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Spare outfielders are spare outfielders

If you’ve got to wait for Derrick Robinson, a guy repeating High-A ball (and regressing) to replace Mitch Maier, then you don’t understand how baseball works.

You see, there are a ton of outfielders every year who lose their jobs. So getting a few of them for when you need another infielder means no more Mitch Maier on a big league team.

Same applies to Olivo and catchers. If you have the same backup catcher two years in a row, you’re either really content, or not looking hard enough

Enough is Enough - Fire Trey Hillman

by BHWick on Jul 13, 2009 2:16 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

And that’s also a huge gamble that all those minor leaguers will pan out. More than likely, less than half of them will be productive starters.

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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 13, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fantastic interview

and great answers.

The only question I’d still have left for Sam at the end of the interview was his opinion on whether Crisp will be a Royal in 2010.

Unless I'm wrong...

by Top Ramen on Jul 13, 2009 10:27 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

at 8 million no way

at 2.5 millon maybe and that’s if he’s healthy

by GobbleforCyoung on Jul 13, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm gonna stand on G4CY's side of the line on this one too.

ditto the no $8Meg to CoCo next year.

Christ, you don't need a quadrophonic Blaupunkt! What you need is a curveball! In the show, everyone can hit heat.

by BillyMojo on Jul 13, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

At this point

I’d expect my ceral to spontaneously combust before I would expect Dayton Moore to acquire a league-average position player

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by devil_fingers on Jul 13, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why So Negative?

Sure, Moore is capable of acquiring a league-average position player. It just will be at the cost of 5/$85 million contract or a package of Butler/Hosmer/Duffy.

by Gopherballs on Jul 13, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's a

CONSPIRACY, man!

Collusion between 29 front offices that got together and came up with the “Royal Rule”.

Basically it’s worded like this:

Let’s all fuck Dayton Moore.

Christ, you don't need a quadrophonic Blaupunkt! What you need is a curveball! In the show, everyone can hit heat.

by BillyMojo on Jul 13, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the problem with the statement...

that development takes time, is that we’ve had extremely high picks in the draft for 15 straight years…and have come up with only a couple all-stars and exactly one stud. Zaq.

 Think of all the great players who have emerged during the last 15 years…and we have grown three of them. Sweeney, Damon, and Zaq. With the odds stacked in our favor. We should be like Tampa in that we have some studs, just because of high draft picks. I’m not saying we should be as good as Tampa because they caught some breaks in timing, and free agency…By the way why didn’t we look at Carlos Pena?!?! Anyways, fire DM. Fire Trey. They aren’t doing their jobs up to average standards. I feel like we would be better off with an average blogger who knows how to use excel to create statistical analysis.

At least Wally Joyner's not on the team....

by tcon125 on Jul 13, 2009 7:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Touche!!!

you’re a better man than i

At least Wally Joyner's not on the team....

by tcon125 on Jul 14, 2009 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

By the way why didn’t we look at Carlos Pena

Because we had Ryan Shealy and Ross Gload, duh.

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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 13, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Best Line In The Interview?

This one: “Betancourt makes the Royals better at the big league level.”

This is basically what Gobbleforcyyoung and I have been arguing here. The people who are so down on the YB trade don’t have a clear understanding of how bad we are at SS in the whole system as well as with the KC team. – TL

by timlacy on Jul 13, 2009 7:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

and misses the point of "replacement level" (what a shock in a Mellinger interview)

there are other players freely (or close to it) available who would improve on TPJ (and Bloomquist).

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by devil_fingers on Jul 13, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's shortsited

Something is going on with Bloomquist that we don’t know. He cannot play SS every game; pena and hernandez have as many at bats at SS combined as Bloomquist.

Not sure what players are available you are talking about. You can speculate all you want, but it’s not true. Baltimore started Hernandez half the year last year before giving up on him. And there front office aren’t moronic like Dayton and CO.

Who else? None of these guys are FA. Moore did touch on Scutaro priced out (he will probably get 25 million plus guaranteed next contract after this one good year) Who? Reid Brignac, Paul Janish, Julio Lugo.

SS are highly coveted as you can see by this acquisition

by GobbleforCyoung on Jul 13, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Scutaro is only priced out

If you believe we need to keep Jacobs, Olivo, Buck, Teahen and DeJesus. Personally, I think you can get rid of all of them except DJ. That would give you more than enough to sign Scutaro.

Or heck, get a good glove man like Bobby Crosby or John McDonald. Neither are going to be expensive at all, and both are excellent fielders.

Better yet, trade your pitching (the currency of baseball) for a young shortstop currently blocked in his organization that has some upside.

There is nothing to like about upgrading from “historically worst shortstop” to “second worst shortstop in baseball.” Its like getting excited you dumped Amy Winehouse in favor of Courtney Love.

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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 13, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't You Be

Dissin’ my Courtney.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Jul 13, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, I think the whole...

…“Replacement Level Player” concept is bogus. There are too many subjective attributes to be accounted for that replacement can’t catch (i.e. maturity, MLB season endurance, difference between minor and major league curveballs, MLB umps, MLB cageyness (e.g. pitchers hammering your one weakness)). So, maybe Mellinger just doesn’t buy the whole replacement level player thing. – TL

by timlacy on Jul 13, 2009 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you aren't talking about replacement level

At least not the way the term is used in baseball analysis.

You seem to be complaining about statistical projection.

What do you think sabermetricians mean by “replacement level?” and why do you think it ia bogus?

As for Mellinger, I have seen him use the term without objection in his blog, but it was evident that either he didn’t understand what it means or he’s using it in an idiosyncratic way different than that of any analyst i’ve read.

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by devil_fingers on Jul 13, 2009 10:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, the issue I have with the idiosyncrancy of the term "replacement level" is its characterization on this board

Replacement level players on not always easily found,especially as certain positions like SS, or to find a low level salary player before arbitration in a corner infield or outfield position

 And it becomes arbitrary as well when you compare position by position on different teams. Depending on the makeup of a specific roster, “replacement level” players are more valuable at a certain position on a certain team than others, even if their value can be quantified on a similar scale

For example, a replacement level player at 1B and C would be insanely more valuable to the Royals than it would be to the Twins, who have superstars at both positions. However, they are in dire need of a replacement level 3B and corner outfielder (to replace Crede and Gomez/Young – who are all worse offensively than Guillen) whereas the Royals are not.

by GobbleforCyoung on Jul 14, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Replacement level includes adjustments for position

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by devil_fingers on Jul 14, 2009 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and even if as you say....

replacement level players arent easy to find….surely players that are 1.5-2.0 WBR should be easily attainable…and cheap….betancourt is neither

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by billybeingbilly on Jul 15, 2009 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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